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| hugokuo | hi guys | 04:21 |
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| hugokuo | anyone knows what would cause this? | 04:21 |
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| hugokuo | Feb 26 03:36:53 node1 object-replicator: Lockup detected.. killing live coros. | 04:21 |
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| kota_ | good morning Dublim | 07:24 |
| kota_ | hugokuo: IIRC, that is caused when monitor process of object-replicator find nothing progressed while the monitoring cycle (maybe every 5 minutes or 15 minutes?) | 07:26 |
| kota_ | Dublin! | 07:26 |
| hugokuo | morning | 07:27 |
| hugokuo | kota_: Are you in Dublin? | 07:27 |
| kota_ | yes i am here | 07:28 |
| hugokuo | kota_: So I assume that there're rsync clients are sending data to other hosts. But they take more than the timeout due to the limited bandwidth. | 07:29 |
| hugokuo | In this case, object-replicator doesn't get any update by rsync clients so it thought it's hanging then terminated it. | 07:29 |
| mattoliverau | Morning | 07:30 |
| hugokuo | The sequel will be lots of rsync client processes in running. But those are not managed by replicator anymore. The restarted object-replicator spawns new rsync clients. | 07:31 |
| kota_ | oic | 07:31 |
| hugokuo | The total rsync clients would be double than the object-replicator concurrency. | 07:31 |
| hugokuo | It makes the total bandwidth shared by more rsync clients. The result would be more and more rsync in a host. | 07:32 |
| kota_ | that might happen, because replicator cannot detect the progress of rsync. | 07:32 |
| hugokuo | right. | 07:32 |
| hugokuo | that's painful for a cluster has bigger size objects/segment. | 07:33 |
| kota_ | i'm wondering we could change the detect timeframe to be increased.... | 07:33 |
| hugokuo | I'm considering it as a bug tho. Swift doesn't handle this part very well especial a cluster has regional setup. | 07:33 |
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| hugokuo | The WAN suppose to be slower in general | 07:34 |
| hugokuo | If not kill old rsync client processes, it'll get worse and worse. | 07:34 |
| hugokuo | By the end, the total object-server and rsync processes will hit the maximum openfiles/nproc | 07:35 |
| hugokuo | further more, other swift workers won't be able to folk subprocesses anymore. Then the worker will be terminated. | 07:35 |
| hugokuo | It's kind like a chain-effect. | 07:36 |
| hugokuo | clayg: notmyname:^^ Do you think my assumption is reasonable or not? | 07:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | melissaml proposed openstack/swift master: Fix the incorrect reference links https://review.openstack.org/547923 | 07:49 |
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| kota_ | hugokuo: I'll look at around the protocol today, but at this morment, I should go breakfast before PTG will begin. | 07:50 |
| timburke | good morning, dublin | 07:53 |
| timburke | kota_: hugokuo: you guys reminded me of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429015/ -- i wonder if there are still valuable ideas there that should get rebased... | 08:01 |
| patchbot | patch 429015 - swift - Add abort flag to replicator/reconstructor | 08:01 |
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| notmyname | good morning | 09:40 |
| notmyname | at the PTG, we're in room 661 today | 09:40 |
| notmyname | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Swift_Operational_Feedback is now linked from our main PTG etherpad | 10:01 |
| notmyname | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Dublin_PTG_Swift is the main PTG etherpad | 10:01 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: cschwede_: you are in the fast-forward upgrades room? | 10:07 |
| tdasilva | yep | 10:07 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: we're in 661 as a home base for now | 10:07 |
| zaitcev | notmyname, thanks a lot | 10:07 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: cool! means I don't need to be there :-) | 10:07 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: lol, it's been hard to follow | 10:08 |
| zaitcev | there's no space left to sit in fast-upgrade room and they talk quetly, so I cannot hear the discussion | 10:08 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: it would probably be helpful if you say, "why can't you just be like swift" ;-) | 10:08 |
| notmyname | and by "helpful" I mean "not helpful" ;-) | 10:08 |
| zaitcev | Actually | 10:08 |
| tdasilva | lol, yeah, that's a really nice way to make new friends | 10:09 |
| notmyname | heh | 10:09 |
| notmyname | and mattoliverau is in the "first contact" sig room, so we've got that covered too | 10:09 |
| tdasilva | "first contact"? | 10:09 |
| zaitcev | I am quite convinced that it must be possible to be like Swift, even with DB schema changes. It's just that nobody is willing to put work towards it: always support 2 nodes talking to each other across N and N+1. | 10:09 |
| zaitcev | Well, they depend on MySQL anway | 10:10 |
| zaitcev | And Rabbit | 10:10 |
| * zaitcev migrates to 661 | 10:12 | |
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| timburke | notmyname: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/rocky/index.html | 10:17 |
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| notmyname | thanks | 10:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: py3: port common/storage_policy.py https://review.openstack.org/540188 | 10:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: py3: port common/memcached.py https://review.openstack.org/540189 | 10:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: py3: port common/wsgi.py https://review.openstack.org/540190 | 10:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: py3: Port more cli tools https://review.openstack.org/547969 | 10:26 |
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| kota_ | m_kazuhiro: done on the one patch. | 10:32 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: how's the first contact room? | 10:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: Tighten up assertions around expirer's concurrency https://review.openstack.org/547114 | 10:37 |
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| notmyname | wow. this is a giant room with very soft-spoken people | 10:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: Don't log tracebacks when we know where they're going to end https://review.openstack.org/547981 | 10:49 |
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| m_kazuhiro | good morning | 11:05 |
| m_kazuhiro | mattoliverau: kota_: Do you have time to review patch 543796 ? This is small patch (38 lines) for expirer general task queue and is added +2 by tim. | 11:08 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/543796/ - swift - Fix expirer's invalid task object names in unit tests | 11:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift master: Fix the incorrect reference links https://review.openstack.org/547923 | 11:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift master: Remove confusing assertion from expirer's unit test https://review.openstack.org/543784 | 11:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift master: Tighten up assertions around expirer's concurrency https://review.openstack.org/547114 | 11:13 |
| notmyname | hmm... all this time when they were talking about hierarchical project quotas, I thought it was about openstack projects (eg nova->glance->swift). turns out it's about the *keystone* project (nee tenant) hierarchy | 11:26 |
| notmyname | timburke: how are things in 661? | 11:35 |
| timburke | notmyname: torgomatic and acoles are here now! kota_ came back, too | 11:36 |
| timburke | tdasilva and cschwede_ are here | 11:36 |
| notmyname | that sounds like fun | 11:37 |
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| timburke | and now we've got a clayg! | 11:47 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: cschwede_: in the upgrades room, was there any talk of "checkpoint releases"? | 11:47 |
| cschwede_ | notmyname: no (at least not until we left) | 11:49 |
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| cschwede_ | notmyname: on the other side, every release is kind of a checkpoint release, right? i mean you still need to switch to release N+1, N+2, until you finally are at N+3 - it's not that you skip an intermediate release if you upgrade from N to N+X | 11:50 |
| cschwede_ | where X is > 1 | 11:51 |
| notmyname | cschwede_: well, you can with swift :-) | 11:51 |
| cschwede_ | notmyname: we just make ops life too easy allowing that ;) | 11:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: py3: port common/storage_policy.py https://review.openstack.org/540188 | 12:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: py3: port common/memcached.py https://review.openstack.org/540189 | 12:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: py3: port common/wsgi.py https://review.openstack.org/540190 | 12:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: py3: Port more cli tools https://review.openstack.org/547969 | 12:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Samuel Merritt proposed openstack/swift master: Fix suffix-byte-range responses for zero-byte EC objects. https://review.openstack.org/526565 | 12:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: Make If-None-Match:* work properly with 0-byte PUTs https://review.openstack.org/476992 | 12:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift master: Kill rsync coros when lockup detector tries to kill the process https://review.openstack.org/548018 | 12:26 |
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| kota_ | hugokuo: (and Martin) patch 548018 may be able to mitigate to increase such a zombie rsync procs but I'm not sure this is fine fix for you because that will halt the in-sync rsync process. | 12:28 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548018/ - swift - Kill rsync coros when lockup detector tries to kil... | 12:28 |
| kota_ | as timburke suggested now in f2f, waiting rather than kill process would be nice to have. | 12:32 |
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| timburke | ideally, we have the replicator read some output, stick it in a buffer, send a heartbeat, read some output, stick it in a buffer, send a heartbeat, ... and we only go murdering rsync & coros when we haven't received a heartbeat in a while | 12:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: py3: port common/memcached.py https://review.openstack.org/540189 | 12:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: py3: port common/wsgi.py https://review.openstack.org/540190 | 12:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: py3: Port more cli tools https://review.openstack.org/547969 | 12:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: Make If-None-Match:* work properly with 0-byte PUTs https://review.openstack.org/476992 | 13:13 |
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| notmyname | #swift book Suite 661-MonP1 | 13:26 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: how's the newcomer session? | 13:35 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: where ARE you?! | 13:36 |
| torgomatic | When a lockup is detected, the only sane thing to do is to kill the entire process. You can't just kill co-routines or anything like that; if one of your coroutines is holding a lock and you wipe that coro away, then the lock will never be released. | 13:40 |
| torgomatic | Honestly, it's nuts to me that we have the whole kill-coroutines-and-hope thing going now. Does it actually help things? | 13:41 |
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| mattoliverau | Yeah it's ok.. chatting, I'm heckling as much as I can. Once we finish here, Ill need to find out where y'all are hiding :) | 13:45 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: still in 661 | 13:56 |
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| clayg | i was gunna look at patch 548018 | 14:13 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548018/ - swift - Kill rsync coros when lockup detector tries to kil... | 14:13 |
| clayg | torgomatic: yeah, it could be good money at bad | 14:14 |
| clayg | torgomatic: but what else are we gunna do? | 14:14 |
| torgomatic | clayg: detect a lockup and blow up the whole replicator process | 14:14 |
| kota_ | so should NOT we kill the rsync coros? | 14:14 |
| clayg | ^ right!? | 14:15 |
| clayg | torgomatic: yeah... i mean I guess we could agree on that here and do it... can we restart tho? | 14:15 |
| clayg | torgomatic: kota_: if we added the per-disk "workers" model it's easy to throw away the process and let it restart | 14:15 |
| kota_ | the main issue is the lockup detector will cause a lot of rysnc processes because the parent eventlet thread has gone (and the next will up to call a new rsync). | 14:15 |
| kota_ | clayg: +1 | 14:16 |
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| torgomatic | yeah, throwing away rsync processes is good, but (kill coros + kill rsyncs) is not necessarily enough to return us to a good state | 14:16 |
| torgomatic | killing the whole replicator and letting systemd restart it is a (heavy) way to return to a good state | 14:17 |
| notmyname | it's a long way to the nally room | 14:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexandre Lécuyer proposed openstack/swift master: Add optional parameters to common/utils fallocate() https://review.openstack.org/548034 | 14:21 |
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| timburke | clayg: https://github.com/Pylons/webob/blob/1.7.4/webob/request.py#L152-L185 | 14:32 |
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| timburke | tdasilva: https://github.com/openstack/swift3/blob/master/swift3/request.py#L926-L936 | 14:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift feature/s3api: Fix functests name address swift3 -> s3api migration https://review.openstack.org/548038 | 14:42 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: timburke: clayg: added my +A to the backport | 14:42 |
| notmyname | and +2. it may have to have that too in order to trigger the gate | 14:43 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: thanks | 14:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: Add in-process cross-policy func tests https://review.openstack.org/536658 | 14:53 |
| DHE | is lab/testing the only reason you would run multiple instances of the object server, or is it useful in real world deployments? | 14:54 |
| torgomatic | Usually just for testing. | 15:02 |
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| torgomatic | For real deployments, you'll want to run one object server with 2-4 worker processes per disk. | 15:03 |
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| notmyname | everyone still in the same 661 room? | 15:08 |
| kota_ | notmyname: almost of them. clayg went to somewhere (idk) | 15:10 |
| notmyname | thanks. I kept the room on the schedule then | 15:11 |
| kota_ | notmyname: appreciated! | 15:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift feature/s3api: Merge remote-tracking branch 'remotes/origin/master' into feature/s3api https://review.openstack.org/548052 | 15:17 |
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| notmyname | I left by bag and coat in the room | 15:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift feature/s3api: Merge s3api func tests https://review.openstack.org/537838 | 15:59 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: we are still here | 16:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexandre Lécuyer proposed openstack/swift master: Add optional parameters to common/utils fallocate() https://review.openstack.org/548034 | 16:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kazuhiro MIYAHARA proposed openstack/swift master: Fix expirer's invalid task object names in unit tests https://review.openstack.org/543796 | 16:11 |
| mattoliverau | Fyi donuts and beer on level 5 | 16:26 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: now? | 16:30 |
| mattoliverau | Yeah, well about 10 mins ago when I was there. Beer is apparently near the rego desk | 16:32 |
| kota_ | mattoliverau: beer! | 16:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift feature/s3api: Fix functests name address swift3 -> s3api migration https://review.openstack.org/548038 | 18:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift master: py3: port common/storage_policy.py https://review.openstack.org/540188 | 18:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift feature/deep: Tell the new broker that it's active before replicating https://review.openstack.org/548076 | 18:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift feature/deep: Ignore found/created shards when shrinking https://review.openstack.org/548077 | 18:17 |
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