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| openstackgerrit | Kazuhiro MIYAHARA proposed openstack/swift master: Swift Automated Tiering https://review.openstack.org/287057 | 07:42 |
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| m_kazuhiro | Good morning | 07:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sachin Patil proposed openstack/swift master: Fix swift-get-nodes arg parsing for missing ring https://review.openstack.org/406012 | 07:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Nam Nguyen Hoai proposed openstack/swift master: Fix_typo: "subsitute" -> "substitute" https://review.openstack.org/429554 | 08:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift master: EC Fragment Duplication - Foundational Global EC Cluster Support https://review.openstack.org/219165 | 08:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kazuhiro MIYAHARA proposed openstack/swift master: Swift Automated Tiering https://review.openstack.org/287057 | 10:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift master: Fix test_replicator assertion https://review.openstack.org/429673 | 12:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift master: EC Fragment Duplication - Foundational Global EC Cluster Support https://review.openstack.org/219165 | 12:13 |
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| kota_ | clayg, timburke: I'm now writing some comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425493 but i have to leave my office for now asap, so i will push my comment later at home | 12:54 |
| patchbot | patch 425493 - swift - Make the reconstructor handoffs_first work (and us... | 12:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jean Caron proposed openstack/swift master: Wait for each putter to be done before disconnection's error handling https://review.openstack.org/429697 | 13:18 |
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| jrichli | jcaron: hello. I am interested in reproducing the error you reported recently. | 15:20 |
| jrichli | you said it was easier to reproduce using dlo/slo | 15:20 |
| jrichli | how likely is it to manifest even with the steps on the bug report? | 15:21 |
| jrichli | maybe i need to run several times or in different ways? | 15:21 |
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| jcaron | jrichli: Hi, yes slo/dlo involves more connections to the object-server. so there is more chances to see the leak. | 15:25 |
| jcaron | on our infrastruture running swift-2.12.0, we hit the bug almost everytime we kill the client connection | 15:25 |
| jcaron | jrichli: the policy storage has to be Erasure coding | 15:26 |
| jrichli | jcaron: ok, thank you. Yes, I made sure to run with EC. It is good to know the version where this exsits. I'll do more research. | 15:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Gábor Antal proposed openstack/swift master: Fixed indentation in copy.py https://review.openstack.org/429750 | 15:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gábor Antal proposed openstack/swift master: Fixed indentation in common/ and obj/ https://review.openstack.org/429750 | 15:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift master: Fix test_replicator assertion https://review.openstack.org/429673 | 16:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift master: EC Fragment Duplication - Foundational Global EC Cluster Support https://review.openstack.org/219165 | 16:21 |
| * kota_ is going to his bed hoping that changes fixes everything | 16:24 | |
| kota_ | g' night | 16:24 |
| jrichli | good night, kota_ ! | 16:26 |
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| notmyname | good monring | 16:43 |
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| notmyname | reminder, here's the draft logo for swift from the foundation. http://d.not.mn/swift_draft_logo.png | 18:03 |
| notmyname | please give me feedback if you have something to say | 18:03 |
| notmyname | (I already got feedback from timburke -- a good color change suggestion) | 18:04 |
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| jrichli | notmyname: I am curious what the other team logos look like - for a comparison | 18:04 |
| notmyname | you know as much as me. just whatever's been posted on the ML | 18:06 |
| notmyname | this one is thematically similar to the others | 18:06 |
| notmyname | (strong lines, geometrical, sharp angles, bold solid colors) | 18:06 |
| jrichli | ok, i will check out the mailing list. i figured that there may be some sort of theme and wanted to see how it fit. | 18:06 |
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| clayg | heyoh! | 18:23 |
| clayg | kota_: thanks! | 18:23 |
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| clayg | mahatic: I'm loving all these reviews you're doing lately - spot on the patch 425493 (nice catch!) | 19:10 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425493/ - swift - Make the reconstructor handoffs_first work (and us... | 19:10 |
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| jrichli | clayg: are you thinking that somebody would use find_handoff_parts.py in order to find override partitions so they could feed these to replicator/reconstructor to do 'handoffs only'? | 19:37 |
| clayg | jrichli: i've used scripts *like* that to do different masochistic things when I *really* need to be super particular about organizing my rebalance IO | 19:43 |
| clayg | jrichli: I monitor the *count* of handoff parts constantly - it's a big driver for our automatic ring rebalancing - https://youtu.be/ger20cqOypE?t=1564 | 19:44 |
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| jrichli | oh, i see. so this would be more about the monitoring of progress, in this case | 19:45 |
| clayg | i mean I think you gotta do *something* - ovh says they just use dispersion-report | 19:46 |
| clayg | the idea is "when is this rebalance cycle finished" isn't something a single node nodes | 19:47 |
| clayg | when you're running handoffs_*first* some nodes get the wrong idea - with handoffs_*only* operations can leaverage the monitoring they're *already doing* to decide when to push a ring - to also introduce a config change at the end of the cycle after the last ring change | 19:48 |
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| clayg | i think "the right thing" is open to debate - and different operators may have different experience/feedback - I'm sure there's lots of good ideas that we could pursue | 19:49 |
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| clayg | but specifically in the example of that reconstructor change (where master is *obviously* broken) the behiavor of the replicator is being held up as the gold standard - but a) we didn't always have handoffs_first b) when chuck added it was better than nothing; but didn't really work for what we needed c) the current behavior acctually came from operational experience/feedback that was acctually *asking* for handoffs only | 19:53 |
| jrichli | sorry if this is a silly question: but are you proposing to also introduce the "handoffs only" to replication? or just reconstruction? | 19:53 |
| clayg | setting aside names and how to handle config option life cycle ... | 19:54 |
| clayg | I think we *want* handoffs only mode | 19:54 |
| clayg | I mean we sort of *know* we do - we sort of always knew we did - in the reconstructor more than ever we really need it! | 19:54 |
| clayg | I don't think there's much value in supporting handoffs first behavior (where some nodes start syncing primaries that are sitting on handoffs) | 19:55 |
| jrichli | I am pretty sure that SL has had to run with handoffs_first with replication in the past. I wonder if briancline has any insights from that. | 19:55 |
| clayg | jrichli: i put this topic on the meeting for this week - i really hope we can get some more input feedback! | 19:56 |
| jrichli | nice | 19:56 |
| clayg | briancline: is a great example - his team was one of the first ones to point out that you should *never* leave handoffs_first turned on if you're not in a priority rebalance situation | 19:57 |
| clayg | and I also know that they are definately monitoring rebalance - I think via dispersion-report | 19:57 |
| clayg | so... I was trying to make the case that operations already uses replicator handoffs_first they way I'm expecting reconstructor handoffs_first to be used. | 19:59 |
| clayg | ... but maybe it'd just be better if everyone did handoffs_only and called it handoffs_only | 20:00 |
| jrichli | i think i prefer the clearly stated "only" plan as well, fwiw | 20:00 |
| clayg | my only other cavet is that I don't want the replicator to have handoffs_first *and* handoffs_only - handoffs_first is stupid - the only useful thing is does is as an approximation of handoffs_only | 20:02 |
| clayg | and I don't want to try to implement handoffs_first in the reconstructor - it's nonsense | 20:02 |
| jrichli | right. that backwards compatible thing is always impeding progress! | 20:04 |
| clayg | I think handoffs_first should just be an alias to handoffs_only - maybe with a warning | 20:04 |
| clayg | "Since you said handoffs_first, I know you want to priortize rebalance (which I know you're montioring cluster wide) - so I went ahead and put this node in handoffs_only mode - you should updating your tooling and turn off handoffs_first/only when you detect the rebalance is done" | 20:06 |
| clayg | should do the trick | 20:06 |
| jrichli | sounds reasonable. but yea ... when we know no handoffs remain, we gotta shout about it!! | 20:07 |
| clayg | cool - ill leave it in a holding pattern till meeting | 20:08 |
| jrichli | Just one more thought: would it be crazy to automatically turn that mode off when no handoffs remain? Ops would have to restart when they wanted to be in that mode again anyway | 20:11 |
| clayg | that's the little graph thing - node a may thing it's "done" - but really the "cluster" is still every much in rebalance mode | 20:12 |
| jrichli | oh, right. | 20:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: Add abort flag to replicator/reconstructor https://review.openstack.org/429015 | 21:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: Add abort flag to replicator/reconstructor https://review.openstack.org/429015 | 22:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift master: Fix_typo: "subsitute" -> "substitute" https://review.openstack.org/429554 | 22:44 |
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| notmyname | so I found this email interesting (at least interesting enough to want to share)... | 23:21 |
| notmyname | the next three lines are excerpts... | 23:22 |
| notmyname | On behalf of the Product Work Group and the OpenStack Foundation, we’re requesting your input on your team’s top features in the Ocata release and features/ themes likely in future releases for the roadmap. | 23:22 |
| notmyname | The OpenStack Foundation’s executive staff begins briefings with media and analysts next Monday on Ocata... | 23:22 |
| notmyname | During the media briefings, we’ll highlight our message that OpenStack provides one platform to manage virtual machines, bare metal, and container orchestration frameworks. | 23:22 |
| notmyname | //end quote// | 23:22 |
| notmyname | what I find interesting is the messaging that the foundation is pushing | 23:22 |
| timburke | which part? the one-platform-one-project thing we've seen a decent bit of recently, or the complete and utter disregard for storage in favor of compute provisioning? | 23:24 |
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| clayg | i'm all out of quips today - he said "interesting" not "surprising" | 23:27 |
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| timburke | oh, i find neither part *surprising*... | 23:29 |
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| notmyname | used to, the foundation said openstack was (paraphrased) "software to make cloud infrastructure, basically consisting of compute, storage and networking" | 23:34 |
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| notmyname | the change in "interesting" | 23:34 |
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| zaitcev | DOWN WITH QUAN... er, NEWTON | 23:43 |
| timburke | zaitcev: want me to go ahead and update that commit message to say that it (only?) affects chunked transfers? and, if memory serves, replicated policies? | 23:45 |
| timburke | (thanks for looking at that, by the way) | 23:46 |
| zaitcev | timburke: I think it would be more helpful to write something like "The ValueError is thrown up by the MIME parser of Eventlet that blindly does int(rfile.readline().split(b";", 1)[0], 16)"... or something | 23:47 |
| zaitcev | (+ during chunked transfers) | 23:48 |
| ktsuyuzaki | good morning | 23:49 |
| timburke | good morning! nick change? | 23:50 |
| zaitcev | ohayou gozaimasu | 23:50 |
| ktsuyuzaki | zaitcev: ohayo! | 23:50 |
| ktsuyuzaki | oh what? I'm using secandary nick? | 23:50 |
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| kota_ | timburke: thanks! now I changed my nick to my default | 23:51 |
| timburke | i mean, either one seems reasonable to me... :-) | 23:51 |
| kota_ | timburke: and thanks for quick review on my test fix ;-) | 23:52 |
| kota_ | but it looks like my global ec patch still got another failure which seems freaky one :/ | 23:53 |
| kota_ | I should try to resolve that | 23:53 |
| timburke | yeah! like i said, i saw that test pop a few times so when i saw the patch, i thought "ooooohhhhh...... of course" | 23:53 |
| timburke | yeah, i need to finally make another pass on that... | 23:53 |
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