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| hugokuo | A question here | 10:12 |
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| hugokuo | ``` | 10:12 |
| hugokuo | add e36c400f4c1ba28a555a0de0ed4a1254 2 1483956539 246 | 10:12 |
| hugokuo | {"status": 200, "sync_key": null, "storage_policy": "0", "meta": {}, "cors": {"allow_origin": null, "expose_headers": null, "max_age": null}, "sysmeta": {}, "read_acl": null, "object_count": "3", "write_acl": null, "versions": null, "bytes": "0"} | 10:12 |
| hugokuo | What's this information been stored in the memcached ? | 10:13 |
| hugokuo | by list_endpoints middleware ?? | 10:13 |
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| ahale | looks like a container stat | 10:21 |
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| hugokuo | it is but not regular one. There's an extra key cors | 14:35 |
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| notmyname | good morning | 16:41 |
| notmyname | FYI two patches to call your attention to, in the wider openstack realm... | 16:49 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386555/ is an API standards proposal for discovering capabilities | 16:49 |
| patchbot | patch 386555 - api-wg - Add API capabilities discovery guideline | 16:49 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398875/ is about adding new languages (ie golang), and it looks like it's starting to get the final approval votes. now's the time to say something if there's anything in it that concerns you | 16:50 |
| patchbot | patch 398875 - governance - Reference doc for new language additions | 16:50 |
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| notmyname | hmm... https://twitter.com/joshkodroff/status/818500031732973570 -> "what's Swift like...I've heard not-nice things about OpenStack in general..." | 17:06 |
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| notmyname | if (1) you use twitter and (2) you've got something to say from an ops/user perspective, please respond! :-) | 17:09 |
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| pdardeau | on the golang patch, "have been proven to not meet the technical requirements" seems odd | 17:21 |
| pdardeau | 'proven' sounds like a gotcha word | 17:22 |
| pdardeau | i.e., a hard-core critic might say "you've shown, but you haven't proven" | 17:22 |
| pdardeau | maybe that's just being a bit cynical, idk | 17:23 |
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| notmyname | oh, and the election has started for the board members https://www.openstack.org/election/2017-individual-director-election/CandidateList | 17:32 |
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| timburke | good morning | 17:49 |
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| timburke | acoles: so clayg made a reasonable case to me for preserving the building and balancing that's going on in those tests, and my conclusions are (1) those assertions are all *terrible* and (2) the seed parameter is a crutch to preserve a bad test | 18:00 |
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| acoles | timburke: bu the building and balancing is deterministic due to seed right? | 18:02 |
| acoles | but* | 18:02 |
| timburke | dropping the seed parameter and repeating the test a few thousand times indicates that the spread is actually much worse than 5-13, and can get to 30+. still loads better than the 3000+ that you saw prior to torgomatic's patch, though | 18:02 |
| acoles | uhuh. I was trying to figure out the reason for 13. | 18:03 |
| timburke | yes... but the determinism is a bug, not a feature. if we want that test to be meaningful, it should use a sampling rather than a single ring that someone claims is representative | 18:03 |
| timburke | and we should make tests about the general characteristics that we expect, rather than the specific outcomes that we see in this one case | 18:04 |
| timburke | ...which means that this is going to take forever to come up with tight-but-not-too-tight constraints :-( | 18:04 |
| acoles | okay, you guys have probably thought more about in than I have. But it does seem that a test that we always get the same answer from the same ring has some value? reminds of the suffix hashing wrinkles that crept in between recent release that might have been caught if we had a test that asserted that given state should result in a specific hash. | 18:08 |
| acoles | like my comment, the test will now verify that you get same nodes from same ring with py2 and py3. If we build a random ring and then verify it in the test, do we catch weird variations between py2 and py3 of the kind that caused the test to fail in first place? | 18:10 |
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| timburke | if we nix the seed, look at *all* of the parts instead of a (not-so-) random one, and repeat the test several times, i don't think it should be a problem. random() is still random, just has slightly different outcomes, which should be accounted for in our expectations anyway | 18:15 |
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| jrichli | timburke: You mentioned for symlinks that "We don't have a good way to determine whether this is a POST to a symlink or a HEAD as a result of a POST to an SLO" | 19:44 |
| timburke | jrichli: i did | 19:44 |
| timburke | oh! maybe we could look at swift_source... | 19:45 |
| jrichli | and then later you and tdasilva talked about having symlinks not support post-as-copy | 19:45 |
| jrichli | ... well, yes. i admit i had thought that at first, but then figured i must not understand something ;-) | 19:45 |
| jrichli | but i was going to ask about this non-support for post-as-copy | 19:46 |
| timburke | it wouldn't be great but might be tolerable, provided that we land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417209/ or something like it | 19:46 |
| patchbot | patch 417209 - swift - Default object_post_as_copy to False | 19:46 |
| jrichli | the problem is that one can turn post-as-copy on and off again on a cluster | 19:46 |
| jrichli | and you could take symlinks in and out of pipeline | 19:48 |
| jrichli | so i dont really know how you can simply not support post-as-copy cases | 19:48 |
| jrichli | what am I missing? | 19:49 |
| tdasilva | jrichli: basically i've added a check that will not let the proxy start if post-as-copy is enabled | 19:49 |
| tdasilva | sys.exit like clayg suggested... | 19:49 |
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| jrichli | ok, right. i forgot and was focused on the wording that only the default had chagned | 19:50 |
| timburke | it's the same sort of problem as comes up if you take slo out of the pipeline -- it's not like we stop serving requests to manifest objects; you turned off the feature, so any requests to data that relied on the feature are off in undefined-behavior-land | 19:50 |
| jrichli | ok. i think i am seeing it again now. i just had to load it in my head again. | 19:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift: Make test_get_more_nodes_with_zero_weight_region more robust https://review.openstack.org/418082 | 19:57 |
| timburke | acoles_: clayg: ^^^ seems reasonable for the one test; doing something similar for test_get_more_nodes will be more interesting... | 19:58 |
| timburke | figured i'd get feedback on the zero-weight test before going down that rabbit hole | 19:59 |
| timburke | fwiw, it should add something like 30 seconds to the time-in-gate because of the repeats | 20:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thiago da Silva proposed openstack/swift: Symlink implementation. https://review.openstack.org/232162 | 20:13 |
| clayg | timburke: only in the gate? | 20:20 |
| timburke | clayg: unless you export SWIFT_REPEAT_TESTS in your shell | 20:20 |
| clayg | oic | 20:20 |
| clayg | or run tests with tox? | 20:21 |
| timburke | figured i'd be a little conservative wrt developers' time | 20:21 |
| timburke | yeah | 20:21 |
| timburke | i guess i could look for some gate-only env var, but this is part of why we have the tox -e py27 vs. ./.unittests distinction, no? | 20:22 |
| clayg | timburke: i have no diea | 20:24 |
| clayg | *idea | 20:24 |
| clayg | the assertions looks good - big improvement really - I think the "run it 1000x times" is not needed and maybe bad/cruft/confusing or something; it's at best meh for me | 20:26 |
| timburke | clayg: if somebody comes in and makes some changes to the ring code, i want to know that for a reasonably large sample size, those assertions all pass | 20:28 |
| timburke | i *think* this also helps prevent it being a test that mostly passes, but flakes out (say) 1% of the time | 20:29 |
| clayg | yeah having it fail sporatically is pretty annoying - I think you said we jsut weren't mocking random like ... enough? | 20:35 |
| clayg | i left a comment on the review - thanks for working on those flakey ring tests! | 20:35 |
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| clayg | timburke: ok, i'm so close to finsihing reviewing the hashes pkl optimization fixes - you have to stop distracting me with ring stuff ;) | 20:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Janie Richling proposed openstack/swift: Symlink API documentation https://review.openstack.org/415943 | 21:15 |
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| mattoliverau | Morning | 21:24 |
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| jrichli | tdasilva, timburke, notmyname: any thoughts on acoles comment for symlinks here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415943/3/api-ref/source/parameters.yaml@844 | 22:32 |
| patchbot | patch 415943 - swift - Symlink API documentation | 22:32 |
| notmyname | jrichli: we've got 5 people in a room talking about it right now ;-) | 22:33 |
| jrichli | or here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415943/3/api-ref/source/storage-object-services.inc@456 | 22:33 |
| patchbot | patch 415943 - swift - Symlink API documentation | 22:33 |
| jrichli | notmyname: great | 22:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pete Zaitcev proposed openstack/swift: Improve the "Server started on port 6200" message https://review.openstack.org/418150 | 23:18 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname, jrichli: i remember discussing this earlier with ppai and torgomatic; can't remember the reasons atm why it was better to follow this 2 header approach. | 23:50 |
| tdasilva | i think one of the reason is that it it's easier to parse, since x-symlink-target could be 'container/dir1/dir2/obj', so you can't just split path on / and expect the first one to be account | 23:51 |
| notmyname | it mirrors the existing api for copy, so it's fine to me | 23:51 |
| tdasilva | and versioning right? | 23:51 |
| tdasilva | IIRC | 23:52 |
| tdasilva | no, version is only one header, only copy | 23:53 |
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