Thursday, 2016-09-22

mattoliverauclayg: all you need to do is run a newer version of the kernel. what version are youn running?00:02
claygmattoliverau: idk?00:04
claygmattoliverau: do you normally upgrade the kernal on your machines?00:04
claygLinux saio 3.13.0-55-generic #92-Ubuntu SMP Sun Jun 14 18:32:20 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux00:05
mattoliverauclayg: well anything above 3.15. My desktop is 4.700:05
claygbut like didn't the commit message say >3.11?  I wonder why my linkat tests are skipping then - oh00:05
claygmattoliverau: cool so xenial should do the trick - i'm all over it - thanks!00:06
mattoliveraunps, yeah xenial that thing up :)00:06
claygtimburke: found it!  https://gist.github.com/clayg/5bc36a69b4f22de7fdb688d73af1de1200:13
claygtimburke: i don't *remember* writing this before?  https://gist.github.com/clayg/d8e2ed3e9ad55cd287da917be5ff0efe00:13
claygtimburke: oh bummer, i think it's just a test cleanlyness thing - probably the explody iter isn't calling close on it's sub iterators when gets close called on itself?00:25
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openstackgerritTuan Luong-Anh proposed openstack/swift: Fix using filter() to meet python2,3  https://review.openstack.org/36864900:32
claygbooo - pretty sure it's just the test (not a real bug connection leak) :'(00:33
openstackgerritClay Gerrard proposed openstack/swift: Fix ChunkWriteError when running unittests  https://review.openstack.org/37445800:34
openstackgerritDarrell Bishop proposed openstack/swift: Add support for PROXY protocol v1 (only)  https://review.openstack.org/37356300:47
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charzmorning01:26
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zhengyinmorning01:26
zhengyincharz: morning01:27
charzzhengyin: o/01:27
zhengyinmattoliverau,kota_:morning01:28
mattoliveraucharz, zhengyin morning01:28
charzmattoliverau: \o01:28
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acolesgood morning07:50
mahaticgood morning acoles07:51
acolesmahatic: I see clayg has a +2 on this https://review.openstack.org/346865, I'll take another look today and maybe we can get it merged without you needing another patchset07:52
patchbotpatch 346865 - swift - Delete old tombstones07:52
mahaticacoles: sure, I'll do a follow-up if needed. thanks07:52
acolesmahatic: just thinking you might want to hold off any more changes for the minor things while you have a +2 there :)07:52
mahaticacoles: yup :) we're at the end of the week already07:53
acolesyeah minor stuff can be cleaned up after but it would be good to get this bug fix in the release07:53
mahaticagree07:54
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gangadharHi everyone. I want to know rest API to login to Swift Account. I tried "swift --debug auth". But it's not showing. I didn't find it in docs  either. any kind of help is appreciated.11:01
gangadharGot it. Thanks11:02
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openstackgerritzheng yin proposed openstack/swift: Use more specific asserts in test/unit/account tests  https://review.openstack.org/34276611:08
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surehshii all, I enabled swauth in proxyserver.conf while restarting swift-proxy i am getting following issue12:06
surehshttp://paste.openstack.org/show/582569/12:06
surehsplease some one help12:06
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acoleshas surehs gone? looks like you may need to update eventlet to >=0.18.2 before running swift-init12:54
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johnHi13:06
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Guest18505I have question regarding enabling s3 api in swift13:06
Guest18505Can someone help me with it?13:07
Guest18505anybody here?13:07
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mahaticGuest18505: go ahead and post your question, whoever can help, will respond13:13
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acolesask again about s3 in US daytime13:59
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acolesclayg: can I chat to you about patch 346865 when you are awake?15:15
patchbothttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/346865/ - swift - Delete old tombstones15:15
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Shadow_aokhello15:25
Shadow_aokis there a way to check if a swift instance is fully synchronised ?15:26
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Shadow_aoklooks like swift-recon is the tool i need15:36
mahaticacoles: thanks for your review! Did you happen to take a look at this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37441915:39
patchbotpatch 374419 - swift - Move documented reclaim_age option to correct loca...15:39
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mahaticacoles: I left a comment on that for you and clayg. I'm signing off for the night15:41
acolesmahatic: I saw it but not had chance yet to review15:42
acolesmahatic: thanks! good night15:42
mahaticI have some paper work to do for an appointment tomm morning. I'll check back things in my afternoon tomm (not available in the evening too)15:43
mahaticacoles: thank you! good night too15:43
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mahaticevening*15:43
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openstackgerritAlistair Coles proposed openstack/swift: Cleanup tests for auditor invalidating hashes  https://review.openstack.org/37495716:07
openstackgerritDarrell Bishop proposed openstack/swift: Add support for PROXY protocol v1 (only)  https://review.openstack.org/37356316:12
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notmynamehello, world16:14
notmynamesorry i couldn't get online yesterday. trying to catch up now16:14
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timburkegood morning16:24
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pdardeaujrichli: acoles: mahatic: did you guys look at GCM mode of AES when you did the encryption work?16:32
notmynameacoles: oh, you're wrong16:36
notmynameacoles: about the authtoken config section in our sample configs ;-)16:37
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acolesnotmyname: heh. welcome back16:39
notmyname:-)16:40
notmynameI need to check on the status of patches for the release16:40
notmynamehaven't gone through all the gerrit emails yet16:40
notmynamebut I saw there were a few more patches that landed16:40
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notmynamefor patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346865/, we could do that as-is, and mahatic could fix the small things in a follow up? what are your thoughts on that acoles?16:42
patchbotpatch 346865 - swift - Delete old tombstones16:42
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acolesnotmyname: agree re small fixes being a follwo up but I have one concern that we may want to fix first, I just posted a follow-up to address it...16:45
acoleshttps://review.openstack.org/37495716:45
patchbotpatch 374957 - swift - Cleanup tests for auditor invalidating hashes16:45
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notmynameah, great16:45
acoleshmm the commit subject disguises that there is a fix in there16:45
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acolesnotmyname: I was waiting to discuss with clayg and have him tell me I am fretting about nothing :) but it does seem unnecessary to call invalidate_hash twice16:46
notmynameok :-)16:46
notmynameI'll work on the authors/changelog update today (probably on the flight)16:47
acolesnotmyname: so I would be +2 on patch 346865 if the fix in patch 374957 were squashed in, or if clayg slap me hard enough16:47
patchbothttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/346865/ - swift - Delete old tombstones16:47
patchbothttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/374957/ - swift - Cleanup tests for auditor invalidating hashes16:47
acolesunfortunately my follow-up reworks the tests, but I kinda needed that to get a test for the fix16:48
notmynameI'll keep an eye on those and then propose my authors/changelog patch tonight. which means that we should have a SHA for the release tomorrow am (california time)16:50
notmynameseem reasonable?16:50
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acolesnotmyname: yes16:51
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notmynamezigo: FYI, that ^. expect to see a swift release available tomorrow am pacific time16:52
notmyname(assuming the -release team is good with that)16:52
acolesnotmyname: we've had some discussion on this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/372573, as it now stands it does not make any change but beefs up the comments16:52
patchbotpatch 372573 - swift - Add more comment to authtoken sample options16:52
jrichlipdardeau: not that I know of.  although cca did in the beginning want crypto + auth/HMAC, but I think it was CBC + HMAC.16:52
acolesjrichli: thanks! I was about to attempt a reply to pdardeau but you got it. IIRC the concern was that a scheme that adds authentication info to verify integrity results in changed payload size, which makes ranged GETs a headache.16:54
jrichlipdardeau: I am reading about GCM to try to see if it also is positionally equivalent so that there is not size increase of the message16:55
notmynameah, timburke just pointed out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/373537/ to me16:55
patchbotpatch 373537 - swift - Use separate headers for versioned_writes' stack a...16:55
timburkenotmyname: don't worry too much; jrichli, clayg, and tdasilva are all interested16:55
timburkeand mattoliverau already +2ed, so...16:56
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notmynameinterested enough to review/land today?16:56
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timburkewell that's always the question, isn't it? ;-)16:57
jrichlias for me, I have started the review, but still have halfway to go.16:57
jrichliI should be mostly freed up to do that after lunch16:58
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timburkejrichli: on the having authenticated encryption, maybe the auth piece could go in object sysmeta? how big is that data, typically?17:00
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claygheyoh!17:08
notmynameyo17:09
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acolesclayg: hi. so I was about to +2A patch 346865 but then noticed duplicate suffixes appearing in my hashes.invalid files17:13
patchbothttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/346865/ - swift - Delete old tombstones17:13
acolesclayg: cos the invalidate_hash is getting called by the zero bytes files auditor process and the regular process17:14
acolesclayg: I put a fix here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374957/ , question is, am I fretting too much? do we land patch 346865 as it is or get rid of the duplication?17:15
patchbothttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/346865/ - swift - Delete old tombstones17:15
patchbotpatch 374957 - swift - Cleanup tests for auditor invalidating hashes17:15
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zaitcevInteresting. I certainly didn't realize those dupes could happen.17:21
zaitcevBTW17:22
zaitcevDo you guys remember that XFS people (well, Dave Chinner and Ric Wheeler) were mad about the zero byte files. They maintained that it's not possible if app issues the right flushes in the right order, and so our ZBF thing basically cleans up bugs in Swift not closing files properly.17:23
zaitcevIf we're doing everything right, maybe we can get rid of ZBF17:23
zaitcevIs there a stat if it actually finds zero byte files in recent clusters e.g. 2.7.0)17:24
notmynamezaitcev: is the "right" way along the lines of the O_TMPFILE patch that recently landed?17:24
zaitcevnotmyname: I need to find out.17:24
notmynameI like trying to find out what ZBF scans find, too17:25
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acolesclayg: NM, I have to leave. tell me what you think about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346865/ on gerrit and I can do whatever is needed my daytime tomorrow so we get it landed in time for notmyname to release17:29
patchbotpatch 346865 - swift - Delete old tombstones17:29
acolesgood night17:29
notmynamegood night17:29
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notmynameFYI https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-ops-meetup is what people are using to help schedule the ops sessions in barcelona. take a look and see what's interesting (there is one proposed topic on swift)17:38
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clayg... sorry acoles_ - so the cycle times of the zbf and the regular auditor are so vastly different on loaded disks I don't think it's really going to make that much of a difference (a REPLICATE verb will rehash the suffix before a duplicate entry can sneak in)18:18
claygbut I like the guard regardless - seems like a nice improvment18:18
claygmahatic: I think this is telling me you're about done for the day -> http://stackalytics.com/report/users/mahati-chamarthy18:20
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jrichlitimburke: I'd have to do some research before I could chat on it.  If you all think that is a use case people are interested, I could learn about it.18:23
timburkejrichli: honestly, i don't really know much about authenticated encryption myself. getting through the implementation we have now only required little refreshers; i think i'd need to do some more concentrated research to update it, too18:31
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zaitcevI tend to like what mahatic did with old tombstones, but mostly because I had them observed in the wild. Possibly my cluster didn't have enough health, but I accumulated a ton of them. Like tens of thousands.18:37
openstackgerritClay Gerrard proposed openstack/swift: wip fix wsgi refactor  https://review.openstack.org/37505618:47
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claygzaitcev: at this point it's really more of a stats-only checker vs. a do the md5 checker18:53
claygzaitcev: I recently saw a bunch of corrupt data that was "filled with nulls" - basically it looked like a sparse file.18:53
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claygeither way I mostly think the quarantiner is supposed to deal with like physical spinning rust read errors?  How can the file system be expected to "do the right thing" when the underlying block device coughs up bullshit?  Who knows what horrors hard-driver manufacturers sneak into their drivers to get their disks to pass their read error tests?18:56
claygI do know that it's not rare for size of the file reported by the filesystem (by corrupt lying broken spinning rust) often != the size we wrote into the metadta (most often some kind of truncation - I'm not sure how often the stat is really *zero*; vs just "smaller")18:58
clayganother possibility is something with the rename operation was at one time contributing to the zero-byte hypothosis (missing fsync on the newly created quarnatine subdirs?)19:00
clayg... but in general I think running the metadata only scan faster than the checksum scan is a huge win that's catching 80-90% of the bad objects that need to be kicked out and repaired from replication19:01
clayg... but the name may be more superstitious than some sort of evidence based approach19:01
clayghttps://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/30655394.jpg maybe?19:03
zaitcevWell yea, but the question is if a dedicated ZBF does anything that normal auditor won't.19:03
claygzaitcev: and i'm tell yes, it's catching most of what i'm seeing quarantined and it's doing it way faster than the checksum scan19:03
zaitcevclayg: understood19:04
claygzaitcev: it doesn't *only* look for zero byte files - it checks for size from stat != size in metadata19:04
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timburkeclayg: on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374957, do we know why acoles_ went with ALL instead of ZBF? looks like his original recommendation was the ZBF...?19:25
patchbotpatch 374957 - swift - Cleanup tests for auditor invalidating hashes19:25
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notmynamehello from 32k feet19:37
timburkenotmyname: ready to talk about clouds?19:38
pdardeauwe've got friends in high places :)19:38
notmynamethis is actually the first time I've ever bought wifi on a plane19:38
notmynameok, so based on what acoles_ was saying earlier, I think we can take his +1 as the second approval and land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346865/19:47
patchbotpatch 346865 - swift - Delete old tombstones19:47
notmynameclayg: timburke: is that your interpretation too, or should we wait until his tomorrow?19:47
notmynameas I saw it, acoles_ is good with patch 346865 as long as the stuff in patch 374957 lands too19:48
patchbothttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/346865/ - swift - Delete old tombstones19:48
patchbothttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/374957/ - swift - Cleanup tests for auditor invalidating hashes19:48
timburkeseemed to be what he was saying, but i hesitated from just +A'ing the other patch since i haven't looked at it19:49
timburkei just trust that it behaves properly because acoles_ and clayg seem to say so :-)19:49
notmyname:-)19:49
notmynameI'm happy with doing +A if we agree that is acoles_'s intention19:49
notmynametdasilva: thanks for reviewing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/373537/19:50
patchbotpatch 373537 - swift - Use separate headers for versioned_writes' stack a...19:50
tdasilvanotmyname: yw, thanks to timburke for getting it done so quickly...19:51
tdasilvanotmyname: have a safe flight!19:52
notmynametdasilva: I'm just sitting here. the safety is dependent on (1) the pilot and (2) nobody turning on their Note 7 ;-)19:52
tdasilvalol...also make sure there are no kids with their hoverboards going up and down the aisles :P19:53
notmynamefunny/scary how many times the airport is announcing "due to the recall [ie exploding], do not turn a Note 7 on. do not plug it in. do not feed after midnight and do not taunt happy fun note 7"19:53
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jrichliI just watched Gremlins the other day :-)19:58
openstackgerritMerged openstack/swift: Fix ChunkWriteError when running unittests  https://review.openstack.org/37445820:00
notmynameit's been a *long* time since I've seen it20:04
openstackgerritMerged openstack/swift: Use separate headers for versioned_writes' stack and history modes  https://review.openstack.org/37353720:05
notmynametimburke: yay! ^20:05
notmynamerandom meta thought about IRC: does everyone in here see messages in the same order when they happen close together? what are the guarantees the ircd daemon (or freenode?) offer there? how do they have a giant distributed system and handle conversations (which are inherently ordered)?20:06
notmynamemeta meta thought: it's amazing anything works at all20:07
* notmyname ponders as he sits in a metal tube miles up in the air talking to people, in real time, all over the world20:08
notmynamemostly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8LaT5Iiwo420:08
bkeller`i don't think anything's guaranteed to be in order since the servers are distributed and send messages as soon as they see them20:13
zaitcevIRC servers form a spanning tree, so unless the network is recovering from splits, there will be no out of order messages.20:14
notmynameah, interesting20:15
bkeller`oh, i'm wrong then20:15
notmynameonovy: I saw you say something in a different channel. did you see my comment on the swift release? the plan is to get it tagged tomorrow20:15
bkeller`maybe i'm just too used to splits :\20:15
onovynotmyname: hi20:15
onovynotmyname: cool! missed that20:16
tdasilvanotmyname: hopefully you won't sit on the tarmac for 40 min ;)20:16
onovyi have few reviews, make they can land before? :)20:16
onovyfor example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240726/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340250/20:17
patchbotpatch 240726 - swift - Respect server type for --md5 check in swift-recon20:17
patchbotpatch 340250 - swift - Add a jitter for check of time synchronization.20:17
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/swift: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/8873620:20
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jrichlinotmyname: great clip20:24
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clayglouis ck is really great - my favorite is when he does like horribly offensive jokes that aren't funny - he just gets a kick out of watching the audience crindge - it's like a joke just for him20:30
claygtimburke: i'm not sure why acoles_ picked which worker - i don't think he cares (i don't really care?) - either is fine probably - i don't really have any context to feel one is better than the other?20:34
claygnotmyname: I think al's follow up is really part of the same change - the probably should be squashed; OTOH I think swift is correct and complete in both sha's tho - so we can merge them seperately if it's helpful to do so20:36
notmynameclayg: ack. since the follow-up already has the gerrit bits, let's just land them both20:36
notmynameI'll click the +A for it20:36
claygwfm20:37
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notmynameanyone played with using prometheus to monitor swift? I've heard a few people ask about it, so I wanted to try it out20:53
mattoliveraumorning20:56
notmynamehello mattoliverau20:57
mattoliveraunotmyname: hey man, how's the travels?20:57
notmynamealmost done. in a plane now20:57
mattoliverauCool20:58
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jrichlinotmyname: were there any interesting questions about crypto after the talks?21:11
notmynameFIPS FIPS FIPS FIPS FISMA FIPS FIPS FIPS21:11
notmynameno, the oxygen masks didn't just deploy. those are government standards about security21:12
notmynamejrichli: oh, one questions I didn't remember the answer to: why don't we encrypt user metadata keys?21:12
jrichliheh.  I don't personally know the answer either.  That decision was in place before I started, and I just assumed it would be too difficult.  Since then, I guess I have learned difficult wouldn't stop swift ;-)21:14
jrichliI am glad I didn't have to field the questions on compliance :-)21:15
notmynamedid you have to deal with any of those in a previous life?21:17
notmynameback when you were doing those secret things you aren't allowed to talk about21:18
jrichlithey had people that took care of those things.  i just wrote code :-)21:18
notmynameheh, ok21:19
jrichliwe had one of those questions in Austin, but it was after the session was over so it was just a one-on-one discussion basically.  not so hard to answer that way, IMO21:20
notmynamethe generic answer is that it's hard to think about getting an open source project certified, but it's something we can look in to21:22
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/swift: Delete old tombstones  https://review.openstack.org/34686521:29
openstackgerritMerged openstack/swift: Cleanup tests for auditor invalidating hashes  https://review.openstack.org/37495721:31
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notmynameclayg: why'd you make me watch something by raymond hettinger. I've seen this many times alreayd, but I just can't stop watching. so good.21:51
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openstackgerritMathias Bjoerkqvist proposed openstack/swift: WIP: Storing encryption root secret in Barbican  https://review.openstack.org/36487822:00
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claygnotmyname: yeah my bad22:24
clayghe's great22:24
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openstackgerritDarrell Bishop proposed openstack/swift: Add support for PROXY protocol v1 (only)  https://review.openstack.org/37356323:13
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