| timburke | clayg: i think you're on to something though; when i would hear "ugh, but it's already horrible trying to do cross-project work" i'd want to reply "well, of course! if i wanted to make a meaningful contribution to nova (say), i'd have to actually *know something about how nova works* and that takes time and pain" instead of "yeah! with some many projects, trying to maintain infra is terrible!" | 00:15 |
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| clayg | timburke: yeah! I mean I'm still trying to figure it out too - but I'm convinced now I wasn't hearing what people really wanted or needed when they were ... i'm struggling to find a better word that complianing | 01:14 |
| clayg | like... bugs aren't complaints!? | 01:14 |
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| clayg | somehow I hear "why doesn't swift ..." or "swift should ..." instead of "how do you solve this use-case" or "can I put together my use-case requirements" | 01:17 |
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| clayg | and worse - the truth is - openstack is far too big for any horizontal team to individually carry their use-case to every project - they have learned time and again standardization is the only thing they can replicate - so we either need to distribute the work better (help out!) or homogenize in a major way | 01:19 |
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| clarkb | Yup I think that is one of the things we are struggling with post big tent. There was a big realization that we need to make more things self service like docs and ci to eg help out by helping your self and work has happened to do that in places and some steps back in others like TC wanting centralized tempest tests for defcore (I think swift ran into that) | 01:55 |
| hogepodge | clarkb: centralized tests are a requirement for the primary defcore guidelines, but we're building out a new way to define interoperability schemas that will allow individual projects to define what tests make their interoperable, and the locations of those tests won't be dictated | 01:57 |
| openstackgerrit | gengchc2 proposed openstack/swift: Correct swift reraising of exception https://review.openstack.org/360906 | 01:58 |
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| hogepodge | clarkb: so the core, which is pretty set will be required to be in tempest, but my feeling is that interoperability should be defined by the projects. that requires buy-in from the projects themselves, which may or may not happen | 01:59 |
| hogepodge | clarkb: plus, defcore isn't governed by the TC (although we greatly value their voice), and if we ever needed to reach outside of tempest for the core test suite we would | 02:01 |
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| clayg | clarkb: well again thank you for lp bug #1619073, really http://www.hanselman.com/blog/ABugReportIsAGift.aspx | 02:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1619073 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Swift logs in devstack are terrible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619073 | 02:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | zheng yin proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Add commands examples for copy and delete https://review.openstack.org/363581 | 02:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-swiftclient: Accept gzip-encoded API responses https://review.openstack.org/184956 | 03:18 |
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| mahatic | jrichli: congrats! great news. | 04:10 |
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| gmmaha | congrats jrichli | 04:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Timur Alperovich proposed openstack/swift: Silence "Client disconnected" warnings on reads. https://review.openstack.org/363316 | 04:34 |
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| mattoliverau | hey its mahatic and gmmaha o/ | 04:36 |
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| gmmaha | howdy mattoliverau | 04:36 |
| mahatic | hola mattoliverau | 04:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kazuhiro MIYAHARA proposed openstack/swift: Fix api referece of object GET request with Range pameter https://review.openstack.org/364104 | 07:10 |
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| clayg | what is word that means "having no prerequisites" | 09:09 |
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| clayg | independently deterministic? | 09:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Christian Schwede proposed openstack/swift: More Test[Account|Container]Controller test updates https://review.openstack.org/363628 | 09:47 |
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| ahale_ | standalone? self-contained ? your one does sound pretty fancy though | 09:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/swift: [WIP] Testing latest u-c https://review.openstack.org/318441 | 10:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kazuhiro MIYAHARA proposed openstack/swift: Remove meaningless lines in reconciler unit test https://review.openstack.org/364269 | 12:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Christian Schwede proposed openstack/swift: Make versioned_writes docstring more precise https://review.openstack.org/364270 | 12:30 |
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| jrichli | mahatic, gmmaha: thanks! | 13:58 |
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| briancline | morning | 15:23 |
| zaitcev | yay | 15:24 |
| zaitcev | Means Area 11 is going to wake up soon. No offence to Oz, you're still vary valuable, but I want to attract Kota's attention to https://review.openstack.org/346865 . | 15:24 |
| patchbot | patch 346865 - swift - Delete old tombstones | 15:24 |
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| notmyname | good morning | 15:32 |
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| jlvillal | clayg: Stand alone? | 15:44 |
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| jlvillal | As far as "no prerequisites" | 15:45 |
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| notmyname | nah, not "Stand alone". more like "atomic" or "self-contained". you know, like statically-linked binaries | 15:47 |
| briancline | discrete is a good word for that | 15:52 |
| openstackgerrit | John Dickinson proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: authors/changelog updates for 3.1.0 release https://review.openstack.org/361775 | 15:53 |
| notmyname | timburke: ^ FYI. I'll let it sit an hour or so, then land it and we'll have the SHA for a release | 15:54 |
| notmyname | timburke: or when you like it. whichever is first ;-) | 15:54 |
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| dstepanenko_ | hey | 17:20 |
| dstepanenko_ | I'm working on investigation of rolling upgrades for multinode openstack cluster which contains glance, swift and keystone. What is the order to upgrade components for such a setup? | 17:20 |
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| portante | notmyname, clayg, saw the discussion on swift logging, is there a summary for what all the hub-bub was about? | 17:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Fix intermittent test failure https://review.openstack.org/361537 | 18:17 |
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| clayg | briancline: oh i like discrete | 18:26 |
| clayg | portante: sure! we got a bug out of the deal -> lp bug #1619073 | 18:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1619073 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Swift logs in devstack are terrible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619073 | 18:26 |
| portante | terrible | 18:27 |
| clayg | portante: mainly I think the problem is this -> https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/MAINTAINERS.rst#swift | 18:27 |
| clayg | but look! https://github.com/swiftstack/vagrant-devstack-all-in-one/issues/1 | 18:28 |
| clayg | TIL horizon and keystone don't acctually log in a screen - rather they configure themselves meaningfully and then in the screen windows they just tail their logs | 18:29 |
| clayg | I'm hoping I can get the devstack lib/swift pushed towards setting up swift in a configuration that is more amenable to sane "out of the box" logging on devstack! | 18:30 |
| zaitcev | You'll reinvent syslogd if you go down that road. | 18:32 |
| clayg | portante: look i'm helping already -> patch 364181 patch 364203 | 18:32 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364181/ - openstack-dev/devstack - Make unstack.sh more independently deterministic | 18:32 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364203/ - openstack-dev/devstack - Clarify default IP_VERSION in docs | 18:32 |
| clayg | zaitcev: why can't I just configure devstack's syslog? | 18:32 |
| zaitcev | clayg: Because that syslog is the system syslog, unless you run in a container or something. | 18:33 |
| clayg | zaitcev: not sure I follow - i configure syslog on every machine that I deploy swift to? | 18:33 |
| clayg | if we deploy swift to devstack why wouldn't we configure syslog? | 18:33 |
| zaitcev | Are we talking about devstack or reploy | 18:33 |
| clayg | zaitcev: not trying to be stupid - i'm really dumb here | 18:34 |
| zaitcev | s/reploy/deploy?/ | 18:34 |
| clayg | zaitcev: devstack is a deployment? | 18:34 |
| clayg | of sorts... | 18:34 |
| zaitcev | oooooookay | 18:34 |
| clayg | i configure syslog on my dev machines? | 18:34 |
| patchbot | You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last 60 seconds; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes. | 18:34 |
| clayg | patchbot: who are you talking to!? | 18:34 |
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| clarkb | while not a devstack core it is pretty unforgiving about changing system things so probably fine to just have it edit syslog for you | 18:41 |
| portante | can you just place /etc/rsyslog.d/openstack-swift.conf and be done? | 18:42 |
| portante | don't we place other files on the system during devstack? | 18:42 |
| clarkb | yup thats what I mean. Devstack really takes over | 18:43 |
| clayg | portante: yeah presumably something like that - i'm sure we do - lvm.conf and stuff ;) | 18:43 |
| clarkb | so editing syslog config should be fine I think | 18:43 |
| clayg | cool! we'll i'm still a long way from that - but pretty soon I bet I'll have duplicated the bug! | 18:43 |
| clayg | just taking care of some other shiz atm | 18:44 |
| zaitcev | [root@rhev-a24c-01 ~]# rpm -qf /etc/rsyslog.d/openstack-swift.conf | 18:44 |
| zaitcev | python-swift-2.9.0-1.z5.noarch | 18:44 |
| clayg | zaitcev: well that's not related tho - on devstack it's a from source hand-crafted vintage bash configured sort of situation | 18:47 |
| clayg | DevStack - small batch locally sourced hand crafted vintage bash OpenStack | 18:47 |
| clayg | i like that | 18:47 |
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| timburke | clayg: don't forget "artisanal"! | 18:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-swiftclient: authors/changelog updates for 3.1.0 release https://review.openstack.org/361775 | 19:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Correct swift reraising of exception https://review.openstack.org/360906 | 19:20 |
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| jrichli | dstepanenko_: I have not worked with rolling upgrades, but my guess at a safe ordering would be keystone, then swift, then glance. but it might not matter. | 19:33 |
| timburke | it may also depend on when you upgrade keystonemiddleware in all of that | 19:42 |
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| timburke | dstepanenko_: fwiw, though, (1) new swift should always work with old clients (barring things like the client relying on a critical bug) and (2) within swift, you'll want to upgrade backend services (account-, container-, and object-servers) before proxy-servers | 19:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Make versioned_writes docstring more precise https://review.openstack.org/364270 | 19:55 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/89250 | 19:56 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/swift: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/88736 | 19:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Tighten header checks for object PUT/POST paths https://review.openstack.org/357558 | 20:55 |
| timburke | timur: don't worry about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/363316/; should be an intermittent failure and i bet it'll merge this time | 21:06 |
| patchbot | patch 363316 - swift - Silence "Client disconnected" warnings on reads. | 21:06 |
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| timur | timburke: alright, sounds good. I just wasn't sure what's happening with it :\ | 21:37 |
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| clayg | timur: cschwede: torgomatic_: the disconnect message from patch 363316 showed up on read of DLO | 21:45 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/363316/ - swift - Silence "Client disconnected" warnings on reads. | 21:45 |
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| timur | clayg: I think cschwede pointed it out early on in the review | 21:45 |
| timur | clayg: was that after applying the patch? | 21:45 |
| jrichli | patchbot is so sensitive :-) | 21:46 |
| clayg | shit, did he say *dynamic* large object? I don't want to admit how many times I was testing with larger and larger files trying to validate i was on the right branch :'( | 21:46 |
| timur | clayg: he said only large objects, so not sure if he tested SLO or DLO | 21:47 |
| timur | "Master shows the warning when client finishes large object read" | 21:47 |
| clayg | timur: i'm really only looking at it because your solution looks *so* close to what home guy was suggesting in for a fix to lp bug #1568650 | 21:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1568650 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Connection between client and proxy service does not closes" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1568650 - Assigned to drax (devesh-gupta) | 21:48 |
| notmyname | so here's what happened with patchbot. I lost the server, spun up a new one. copied code over and tried to start it. freenode asked for special auth creds because of the IP block it's in. supybot doesn't support that but a fork of supybot does. load up the fork, get it connected. works, but has some "interesting" config differences. so I gotta figure out why the differences are there and the | 21:48 |
| notmyname | right config settings | 21:48 |
| clayg | which is amuch more worse failure mode than an annoying log line - and I was able to reproduce it faily easily back in the day | 21:49 |
| timur | clayg: I saw that and was reading that bug/patch. I didn't actually test what's going on in the case of an object server failure | 21:49 |
| timburke | notmyname: or, patch supybot to support special auth creds | 21:50 |
| clayg | timur: yeah i know - but the tracking the bytes - it looks very similar to what you had to do - so I want to check that bug | 21:50 |
| jrichli | notmyname: ah, sounds fun | 21:50 |
| timur | clayg: right, makes sense. I could probably look into it, since I've been mucking in that land anyway? | 21:51 |
| timur | seems like no actual movement on that patch in two months now | 21:52 |
| clayg | timur: bummer - doesn't fix it :'( | 21:59 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/swift: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/88736 | 22:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Silence "Client disconnected" warnings on reads. https://review.openstack.org/363316 | 22:01 |
| clayg | timur: no worries - sorry to get your hopes up | 22:03 |
| timur | clayg: no worries. I didn't think it would actually address the other problem | 22:03 |
| clayg | timur: i'm sorta stupid like that - i see two things that say "total_bytes_transfered" and I'm like *maybe*? *maybe*? *we don't know if we don't try!* | 22:04 |
| timur | hahaha | 22:04 |
| clayg | it leads to a lot of dissappointment | 22:04 |
| timur | I mean, it should be useful for the other, right? | 22:04 |
| clayg | but I walk around with all this dread about these long lived edge case bugs :'( | 22:05 |
| clayg | timur: yeah that's what I added to the bug report - still an issue - might get easier after this other patch <a href> | 22:05 |
| clayg | timur: so thanks! | 22:05 |
| timur | sure thing! | 22:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift: Make get_info requests useful with recheck_*_existence == 0 https://review.openstack.org/310216 | 22:09 |
| mattoliverau | Morning | 22:13 |
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