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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Get ready for os-api-ref sphinx theme change https://review.openstack.org/357932 | 00:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Make functests py3-compatible https://review.openstack.org/360135 | 00:27 |
| timburke | we should probably have a gate job that actually tests that^^ | 00:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Add Pros/Cons docs for global cluster consideration https://review.openstack.org/304382 | 00:38 |
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| clayg | zomgbbq!!! swiftclient supports copy command! | 01:58 |
| clayg | whoa... notmyname is not in channel? | 01:58 |
| clayg | am i in the right place? | 01:58 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: you are.. I wonder if his bouncer died again | 02:02 |
| clayg | hi matt | 02:04 |
| zaitcev | Fun fact: Unit testing in Go is very inconvenient. | 02:05 |
| zaitcev | Actually, I take it back. The real problem is mocking. | 02:06 |
| zaitcev | BTW | 02:06 |
| zaitcev | Did you hear that Google invented another language, called Dart? | 02:06 |
| zaitcev | s/Google /someone at &/ | 02:07 |
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| zhengyin | morning everyone | 03:01 |
| zhengyin | mattoliverau, kota_: morning :) | 03:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | zheng yin proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Add swift tempurl and swift auth command docstring https://review.openstack.org/360212 | 04:04 |
| openstackgerrit | zheng yin proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Add swift tempurl and swift auth command docstring https://review.openstack.org/360212 | 04:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Improve readability in the obj server's unit tests https://review.openstack.org/359534 | 04:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-swiftclient: Strip leading/trailing whitespace from headers https://review.openstack.org/356802 | 04:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/89250 | 04:54 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/swift: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/88736 | 04:55 |
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| timburke | huh. well *that* seems like a bit of a deal breaker in the py3 transition: https://bugs.python.org/issue22233 | 05:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | zheng yin proposed openstack/swift: Fix ValueError information in obj/expirer https://review.openstack.org/360307 | 07:52 |
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| charz | Hi! I have a question for object-updater, we know it'll check async_pending data and try to update it to container DB. Do we have a timeout or something to let object-updater drops these async_pending jobs? | 09:45 |
| charz | Just curious, if container DB is in a unmount drives and the object-updater can't get response from container-server, does updater try it forever? | 09:47 |
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| ahale | yeah, i mean it doesnt keep trying forever right now on that one async, it'll fail with conn_timeout or something that time, but keep it around and keep retrying every time it does a pass of the likely rapidly increasing amount of asyncs | 09:53 |
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| charz | ahale: so if the drive is still not mounted, the async_pending jobs won't be deleted, right? And that means object-updater will check that in each run. | 10:12 |
| ahale | yup exactly | 10:12 |
| charz | ahale: If the drive is mounted and object-updater sends requests to container-server, is there have any chance to miss any date that should update to container DB? | 10:15 |
| ahale | you mean, can asyncs pile up even when the remote container-servers are all responsive ? yeah on big busy containers with high writes i've seen that | 10:16 |
| charz | If the jobs are stored into db.pending, and that should be merged to DB in next commit, right? | 10:18 |
| ahale | yeah i think - thats stuff i dont know so well | 10:19 |
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| charz | ahale: thx, just want to make sure my understanding is correct. | 10:21 |
| ahale | yeah i think you're pretty close at least , but i dont know enough about the specifics to go much further :) | 10:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Oliver proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Fix examples and missing code-block https://review.openstack.org/325559 | 11:28 |
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| notmyname | good morning | 13:10 |
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| notmyname | clayg: I caught up from the logs. yeah, seems my bouncer died. not sure why. | 13:13 |
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| notmyname | ops meetup in NYC starts today | 13:24 |
| notmyname | not sure how much swift-related talking there will be, but I'll keep my ears open | 13:24 |
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| tdasilva | good morning | 14:34 |
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| notmyname | first big question at the ops summit: "how are you using containers for your control plane?" answer is itself a question: "can someone please explain why we should use containers at all?" | 14:36 |
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| notmyname | (to which the answer seems to be "it's new! but, on the other hand, it's new") | 14:43 |
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| clayg | i'm sure at least someone mentioned coinstallability and dependencies as a build time concern? | 16:21 |
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| timburke | good morning | 16:52 |
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| clayg | ntata: hey, did you see lp bug #1615982 - you fixed two bugs at once!? good work. | 16:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1567105 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "duplicate for #1615982 swift-ring-builder output display bad column alignment with ipv6" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1567105 - Assigned to Nandini (nandini-tata) | 16:56 |
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| ntata | Thanks clayg! I didn't see this one before :D | 17:03 |
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| notmyname | clayg: packaging topic just started. what do you want me to bring up or listen for? | 17:32 |
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| clayg | notmyname: who's deploying master-ish vis packages? | 17:41 |
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| clayg | notmyname: rax build and deploy packages from master, we build and deploy packages from master - from my perspective this is common practice; but it's possible i'm in the minority | 17:42 |
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| clayg | maybe slightly related - how many teams are concerened with deployment of only a single service - like the vs "we build and deploy all of the packages for all of openstack all together every six months" | 17:44 |
| notmyname | here's something interesting. canonical-built nightly .debs https://launchpad.net/~openstack-ubuntu-testing/+archive/ubuntu/newton | 17:46 |
| notmyname | so yeah, grabbing from master and making packages and deploying is totally a thing people do | 17:46 |
| notmyname | several people in the room were confirming that | 17:47 |
| notmyname | or rather, less than half the room said something, but the large majority who did do in fact like the idea of deploying from master | 17:48 |
| clayg | notmyname: yeah i figured, but all of these people should be complaining about the gratuitous version rising because of global requirements - are you and project z installing on the same box? then why do i need to rebuild and TEST package v++ just to get out my fix? | 17:48 |
| notmyname | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC-ops-Packaging | 17:49 |
| notmyname | yeah, I'm interested in the dependency question | 17:49 |
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| notmyname | seems the packagers are "just" using upper-constraints | 17:58 |
| notmyname | still talking about it.... | 17:58 |
| notmyname | most of the hard problems go away with snappy (which I don't know much about but sounds like some combo of static linking and venvs for packages) | 18:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Clay Gerrard proposed openstack/swift: add test for expirer processes == process https://review.openstack.org/360720 | 18:03 |
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| clayg | gerrit is being slow right? | 18:03 |
| notmyname | clayg: it's slow here in NYC | 18:05 |
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| clayg | yeah I guess people are probably finding that the versions of the python library dependencies tested in the gate don't have a lot of egregious incompatibilities - so if you can source packages for new dependencies as they get bumped maybe it's *not* to painful | 18:07 |
| clayg | probably helps if you're not supporting old distros - how old are these folks infrastructure? Have they migrated a fleet through a major distro upgrade? | 18:08 |
| clayg | also - lot of canonical folks? less cent/rhel/fedora/rdo? | 18:08 |
| notmyname | this is a talk about ubuntu packaging | 18:08 |
| clayg | oh rofl | 18:08 |
| clayg | yah so has anyone upgraded a fleet form lucid to xenial? does anyone still deploy onto lucid hardware? | 18:09 |
| notmyname | oh, now it's an "everything else packaging talk" | 18:09 |
| clayg | whoa | 18:09 |
| clayg | things move quick in the world of ops ;) | 18:10 |
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| notmyname | maybe better to ask the same questions here.. | 18:10 |
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| notmyname | wow. most people left | 18:12 |
| clayg | no worries | 18:12 |
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| notmyname | someone went from grizzly on ubuntu to icehouse on redhat | 18:15 |
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| clayg | baller | 18:21 |
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| notmyname | "anyone else carrying patches on your own" "yes" "how do you do it?" "it's painful" | 18:22 |
| clayg | sure, push upstream is always better | 18:24 |
| timburke | notmyname: is that for swift in particular, or openstack in general? | 18:24 |
| clayg | well, asap reduces pain | 18:24 |
| notmyname | "why are you carrying your own patches" (paraphrase answer) "because we need bug fixes faster and openstack EOL'd the version we're running in prod" | 18:24 |
| timburke | those seem like two separate answers to that question... | 18:25 |
| notmyname | apparently, upstream bugfixes take weeks to months to be available | 18:25 |
| notmyname | timburke: this is all "openstack in general" | 18:25 |
| timburke | cool, that's kinda what i figured | 18:26 |
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| clarkb | notmyname: aiui a big point of contention is stable releases don't allow feature patches or other potentially dangerous bugfixes. But many people are willing to accept that risk in their own clouds which results in the local patches too | 18:31 |
| notmyname | yeah | 18:31 |
| notmyname | quote from the room in answer to "how can we make upstream faster for you?" -- "you have to have friends upstream to get stuff landed" | 18:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Convert numeric and boolean header values to strings https://review.openstack.org/360725 | 18:33 |
| notmyname | summit agenda is live https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule | 18:33 |
| notmyname | looks like timburke and acoles_ are up pretty much first thing on tuesday :-) | 18:34 |
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| timburke | kinda makes me wish i'd planned the vacation with my wife for *after* the summit | 18:34 |
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| clayg | notmyname: romain's talk sounds ... scary? | 18:38 |
| notmyname | is that the migration it ec? | 18:38 |
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| notmyname | clayg: his talk in austin was great :-) | 18:39 |
| clayg | well that one was scary too - >10PB swift is easy - just use two disks per node | 18:40 |
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| notmyname | they just asked about installing with no internet | 18:41 |
| notmyname | several people said they did it, and others said "how do you *do* that?!" | 18:42 |
| zaitcev | mount DVD, rpm -i /mnt/tmp/Packages/*.rpm | 18:45 |
| zaitcev | Well, in RHEL world anyway | 18:45 |
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| notmyname | "what advice would you give someone for setting up openstack?" "if your employer doesn't want to give you at least a year to learn it and set it up, then just pay someone else to do it" | 18:51 |
| notmyname | ok, break time | 18:52 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: The Gerrit service on review.openstack.org is restarting to implement some performance tuning adjustments, and should return to working order momentarily. | 19:47 | |
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| clayg | probably good advice | 20:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: boolean logic cleanup in service.Swift[Copy|Post]Object https://review.openstack.org/321808 | 20:15 |
| notmyname | something we need to ask swift users at the summit is if they are carrying patches that they either don't propose upstream or can't get landed upstream. that's come up quite a bit here at the ops summit (mostly for nova) | 20:17 |
| notmyname | I guess this is where onovy is like "yeah, land the patches already!" ;-) | 20:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Use requests CaseInsensitiveDict in swiftclient.copy_object https://review.openstack.org/321815 | 20:21 |
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| tdasilva | timburke: hi, I noticed you removed the DocImpact tag from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214922/ was that on purpose or just by mistake? | 20:28 |
| tdasilva | oh, is it because we now own the documentation, so it's already in the patch??? | 20:29 |
| timburke | tdasilva: on purpose. seemed like between the changes in api-ref/, doc/ and ... yep, exactly :-) | 20:29 |
| tdasilva | got it | 20:29 |
| timburke | it didn't seem like it would be useful to have a bug auto-generated for us | 20:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-swiftclient: Fix examples and missing code-block https://review.openstack.org/325559 | 20:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Fix ValueError information in obj/expirer https://review.openstack.org/360307 | 20:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/89250 | 20:51 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/swift: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/88736 | 20:51 |
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| mattoliverau | Morning | 20:57 |
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| clayg | notmyname: what patch? if it's so damn good let's land it! | 21:25 |
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| timburke | clayg: i'm guessing he was thinking of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238799/ in particular :-) | 21:48 |
| clayg | timburke: but that one is merged? | 21:50 |
| timburke | sure, now :-P | 21:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-swiftclient: Use mock patch to handle get_auth_keystone https://review.openstack.org/360297 | 22:26 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/89250 | 22:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-swiftclient: boolean logic cleanup in service.Swift[Copy|Post]Object https://review.openstack.org/321808 | 22:47 |
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