| Nyar | Something we just noticed playing with the number of workers: going back to 32 account/container/object increased the error logs rate pretty dramatically | 00:00 |
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| clayg | Nyar: maybe start a du on the containers folders and make sure there's not a big db lurking in there somewhere - if you `swift-container-info /path/to/hash.db` is that for sure for sure one of the container names that show up in the object-server: error messages? | 00:00 |
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| Nyar | from 5 errors/second we are now back at ~10/second | 00:00 |
| Nyar | So we had twice as less with the 8 object-server / 128 container-server | 00:00 |
| Nyar | On it clayg | 00:01 |
| clayg | the worker count might help with greening any blocking io that's happening on the container dbs - which is fine - but the fact that there's large amounts of wait/blocking happening at all is the root of what we're chasing - if we felt confident these db's should be spending 10 seconds doing something then there's a few tricks to smooth it out (like playing with workers) | 00:02 |
| Nyar | got it | 00:04 |
| notmyname | I wonder what would happen when directly putting an object to the contaienr server. would it time out? maybe that shouldn't be done to these containers, but could we come up with something that simulates the load and gets the errors too? | 00:04 |
| Nyar | so I checked there is no big db anywhere | 00:04 |
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| Nyar | All the gnocchi .db are the same size: 20k | 00:04 |
| clayg | notmyname: I think some artificial load to some new containers would be totally reasonable thing to understand - is the issue systemic to the cluster or something about these containers/workerload | 00:05 |
| * Nyar gets some popcorn | 00:05 | |
| clayg | hell pop a new account and swift-bench with num_containers=1 | 00:06 |
| Nyar | (don't mind me, I truly enjoy seeing you taking this very seriously :)) | 00:06 |
| notmyname | Nyar: well don't run off. you're the one who's got to get to typing :-) | 00:06 |
| Nyar | :] | 00:07 |
| Nyar | Did I miss anything you guys asked me to check? I haven't tried db_preallocation yet | 00:08 |
| Nyar | I didn't try container_update_timeout either, since it feels like I would just be hiding the issue without addressing it | 00:09 |
| clayg | Nyar: how are you measuring disk utilization? vmstat? iostat? what args specificially? | 00:09 |
| Nyar | I only had a iostat -x 2 running while looking at the swift error logs | 00:11 |
| notmyname | Nyar: db_prealloc is something you should definitely plan on, but there would be somewhat of a migration before you can take advantage of it | 00:11 |
| clayg | Nyar: wfm | 00:11 |
| Nyar | But again, I kind of gave up on really paying attention to it since my tmpfs test | 00:12 |
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| Nyar | Hmmm ok so I take that back, I can definitely see some stable too high w_await that could definitely be playing a role in the container-server not being able to keep up now that we are pushing more data via Gnocchi | 00:14 |
| Nyar | I am going to add SSDs to the mix so we can rule that out | 00:14 |
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| clayg | idk, by the time you spread that request rate across all those containers it doesn't seem like there should be enough ops to really slow things down tho - if the high await is on just a single device it could just be the auditor or something | 00:22 |
| notmyname | Nyar: I've got company in town, so i need to head home for the evening. | 00:25 |
| Nyar | I really do not think this is our issue either. There must be another root cause for those timeouts | 00:26 |
| notmyname | Nyar: seems like next steps might be to simulate the load to see if it's something we can reproduce | 00:26 |
| Nyar | No problem notmyname, I will stick around for the incoming days/weeks | 00:26 |
| notmyname | :-) | 00:26 |
| Nyar | Have a good evening! | 00:26 |
| Nyar | I'll prep a better summary of our setup and problem then | 00:27 |
| Nyar | Thank you very much for your time and help today guys | 00:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Fix account-reaper unable to delete all containers. https://review.openstack.org/284562 | 00:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kazuhiro MIYAHARA proposed openstack/swift: WIP: bug fix: reconciler deletes correct object in correct policy https://review.openstack.org/299168 | 07:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ankur Jain proposed openstack/swift: Invalid parameter does not return 400 https://review.openstack.org/299225 | 09:10 |
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| Razva | hi guys! for an environment that uses HDDs for storage, does it has any sense to connect the nodes to 10Gbit ports? | 09:30 |
| Razva | I'm asking that because at this point my OpenStack environment is interconnected with 10Gbit (because Ceph) but I'm wondering if I need to connect Swift as well | 09:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | oshritf proposed openstack/swift: Per container stat. report https://review.openstack.org/281814 | 11:09 |
| furlongm | hi, if you have multiple proxy servers on the same node, they all have to user the storage policies in /etc/swift/swift.conf? i.e. there is no way of setting different default storage policies per proxy-server process? | 11:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/swift: Changes crypto to use transient-sysmeta for crypto-meta https://review.openstack.org/291458 | 15:32 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: around? | 17:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Greg Lange proposed openstack/swift: go: make object reclaim age configurable https://review.openstack.org/290863 | 19:44 |
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| notmyname | acoles talking about swift https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot8QppaAXcQ | 20:02 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname, acoles_: cool! listening... | 20:04 |
| clayg | yeah - this is great | 20:05 |
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| clayg | I can't even imagine acoles_ embarrassment "Alistair Coles, Swift Project Team Lead" | 20:05 |
| clayg | ^ in the discription | 20:06 |
| tdasilva | oh yeah, haha | 20:06 |
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| tdasilva | clayg: I heard something like "leave significant reviews" so that message is getting out, even if in a subtle way :) | 20:09 |
| clayg | tdasilva: I was acctually thinking about taking another crack at the review guidelines before austin since no one else seemed to take a significant crack at it | 20:10 |
| clayg | tdasilva: ... is that what you ment? I may not be following your context? are we still talking about acoles_' video? | 20:10 |
| clayg | "get on the irc channel [...] and people like alister will be there to help you." | 20:11 |
| clayg | *totally* | 20:11 |
| clayg | acoles_: nice work on that hpe podcast - you were great! you didn't forget anything - perfect job. | 20:12 |
| notmyname | oh, yeah. I wanted to look at those review guidelines too. I forgot | 20:15 |
| * notmyname goes to star it | 20:15 | |
| notmyname | patch 287616 | 20:16 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287616/ - swift - Adding review guidelines | 20:16 |
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| notmyname | FYI this is an interesting cross-project spec. something that we will likely be asked about, so it's good to know what's being discussed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295543/ | 20:17 |
| patchbot | notmyname: patch 295543 - openstack-specs - Add categorized config options spec | 20:17 |
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| notmyname | meeting in 10 minutes | 20:50 |
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| kota_ | hello | 20:58 |
| jrichli | acoles: great podcast! | 20:58 |
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| notmyname | meeting time in #openstack-meeting | 21:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Simplify policy-name validation slightly https://review.openstack.org/279333 | 21:01 |
| clayg | notmyname: so that is to say "you're thinking about the right problems, but no - transactions on replication ops wouldn't be as immediately helpful as other problems with have with how we report replication stats in general and progress in particular" | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | clayg: see, you're good at shooting down my random ideas :-) | 21:01 |
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| tdasilva | clayg: sorry, had to drive home...but yeah, I meant to say that the general idea of what drove to write the review guidelines is that..."we need more than just reviews, but significant reviews". I'm guessing that's what acoles was refering to when he said that, but I could be wrong | 21:06 |
| clayg | oh, i think i missed that - acoles is so great | 21:06 |
| acoles | tdasilva: clayg: i can't bring myself to listen to myself! but "Swift Project Team Lead" is SO embarassing - these marketing guys!! | 21:07 |
| clayg | lol | 21:08 |
| clayg | they can change it to co-PTL | 21:09 |
| acoles | clayg: its not even true inside hpe! i guess its true inside my cube ;) | 21:09 |
| clayg | rofl | 21:10 |
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| acoles | jrichli: thanks for updating priority reviews with the copy patches | 21:42 |
| acoles | notmyname: it's done ^^ | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | thank you | 21:43 |
| jrichli | np :-) | 21:43 |
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| jrichli | acoles: thanks for the merge on feature today! | 21:44 |
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| acoles | jrichli: looks like some other patches fell into conflict, i'll do merge from master tomorrow and rebase what i can | 21:46 |
| jrichli | acoles: ok, thx | 21:47 |
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| jrichli | btw - my attendence here will be minimal the next 2 days. but i will back on friday sometime. | 21:49 |
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| clayg | timburke: do you want to do a dicussion about data-protection undelete? cschwede has a spec that never seemed to get concensus - and versioning is trying to grow some new delete markers w/o symlinks - but I vaguely remember you telling tdasilva that we still need symlinks for something too? | 22:53 |
| clayg | notmyname: is mattoliverau going to be around to talk about container sharding - is it still useful to continue to talk about container sharding if everyone is just looking at Matt? | 22:53 |
| clayg | jrichli: do you have any idea who was working on symlinks - is hamdi still a thing? Would it be useful to discus the implementation in Austin - could anyone lead it? | 22:54 |
| timburke | clayg: delete markers and symlinks are orthogonal. think of it like a front-end/back-end difference | 22:55 |
| clayg | timburke: yeah - you should put data-protection on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-newton-summit-planning and drop some knowledge - we could also try to high-bandwidth review delete markers | 22:56 |
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| clayg | and make sure you mention "undelete" so people associate the two - I think the broader plan of data-protection coupled with whatever crazy middlewares you've dreamed up (defaulter? is there others?) that allow the full operator focused data protection feature would be a useful refresher - I'm not going to say it needs a spec - but I keep forgetting everything you have loaded in your brain | 22:57 |
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| clayg | ... so maybe some of the grand scheme should get written down somewhere | 22:57 |
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| clayg | "do-ocracy" is my new favorite work - thanks jdanjou | 23:13 |
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