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| ho | good morning guys and happy new year! | 00:06 |
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| mattoliverau | ho: morning and happy new year to you too :) | 00:24 |
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| notmyname | hello world | 04:18 |
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| ho | mattoliverau: I got an abandon aleart for the change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138342/. The current status is I wrote a response for your comment. So could you please check it again? | 04:20 |
| notmyname | fortunately it looks like it's been a pretty light week | 04:20 |
| notmyname | ho: don't worry. all the suspected abandoned patches are tracked at http://abandoner.oliver.net.au/abandoned_changes.html | 04:22 |
| notmyname | ho: and since you added a comment, it looks like it isn't tracked there | 04:22 |
| ho | notmyname: thanks for the info! | 04:23 |
| notmyname | ho: but, that being said, it's still a manual process to abandon stuff (ie I go click a lot of buttons to do it). I try to catch stuff like this before abandoning anything. | 04:23 |
| notmyname | ho: but the emails are automatic. IIRC, it's an email after no comments if it has a negative review, then goes to the abandoner page 4 weeks after that | 04:24 |
| notmyname | ho: so maybe the email you got was just the warning one | 04:24 |
| notmyname | ho: point is, mattoliverau needs to go back and look at his -1 on your patch! | 04:25 |
| ho | notmyname: thanks again. One question. Only you (PTL) can abandon patches? | 04:26 |
| notmyname | ho: no. any core can | 04:26 |
| lcurtis | anyone here deploy swift with puppet? | 04:26 |
| notmyname | but by convention I'm the only one who has done that so far | 04:26 |
| notmyname | lcurtis: I know people do (not me). | 04:27 |
| ho | notmyname: thanks. I understand. | 04:27 |
| notmyname | lcurtis: I can't help with puppet-specific things, but I might be able to help with general questions. what's up? | 04:28 |
| lcurtis | well...how about when using swift-ringbuilder....add r1z1-STORAGE_NODE_MANAGEMENT_INTERFACE_IP_ADDRESS:6001/DEVICE_NAME DEVICE_WEIGHT | 04:29 |
| lcurtis | does r1z1 need to be in there? | 04:30 |
| lcurtis | is it being parsed? | 04:30 |
| notmyname | ya, that's the region and zone identifier | 04:30 |
| notmyname | region 1, zone 1 | 04:30 |
| mattoliverau | ho: I'll go take a look. I think the christmas period wasn't the best for the abandoned changes as many people where away, sorry. | 04:30 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: welcome and happy new year :) | 04:31 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks! you too | 04:31 |
| lcurtis | so has to follow that format - i.e., rXzY | 04:31 |
| ho | mattoliverau: thanks in advance! | 04:32 |
| mattoliverau | ho: you will only get the warning email, and the email says you have 14 days to comment on the change to remove it from the abandoner | 04:32 |
| notmyname | lcurtis: well...sortof | 04:32 |
| notmyname | lcurtis: instead of the (admittedly confusing) DSL we've invented for identifying stuff in a ring, there's fortunately also long option names you can give to swift-ring-builder | 04:33 |
| mattoliverau | lcurtis: if you leave them out, I think they get a 0. | 04:33 |
| lcurtis | okay...great to know | 04:34 |
| lcurtis | thanks much | 04:34 |
| notmyname | lcurtis: https://gist.github.com/notmyname/b542433a4029f5c8a7f7 | 04:34 |
| notmyname | lcurtis: that's from the help message | 04:34 |
| lcurtis | ah....makes sense now | 04:36 |
| ho | mattoliverau: yeah. I got a lecture for the abandoned procedure from you last month. I think :) | 04:36 |
| notmyname | lcurtis: IIRC you must use integers for the region and zone if you are using the swift-ring-builder CLI. if you are calling the library functions directly, there's no such restriction. best practice is probably to keep it as integers, though | 04:36 |
| mattoliverau | lol, oh yeah, but that was last year :P | 04:36 |
| lcurtis | okay | 04:36 |
| lcurtis | i think i am still confused on how many partitions to actually create...any overall advice? | 04:37 |
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| notmyname | lcurtis: how much hardware are you installing? | 04:38 |
| lcurtis | so far 30 dual cpu servers | 04:38 |
| lcurtis | 114T each | 04:39 |
| notmyname | number of drives is the most important metric | 04:39 |
| lcurtis | okay...i think each server has 36 drives | 04:39 |
| lcurtis | supermicro 4u's | 04:39 |
| notmyname | lcurtis: 17. that should give you support for nearly 4K drives (36 drives per server) and close to 20PB | 04:42 |
| lcurtis | fantastic | 04:43 |
| lcurtis | will need to keep rtfm | 04:43 |
| lcurtis | thanks so much | 04:43 |
| notmyname | lcurtis: there | 04:43 |
| notmyname | lcurtis: there's risk with having too small and too large of part powers. but you've already got a decent cluster | 04:44 |
| lcurtis | cant thank you enough for your input and time | 04:45 |
| lcurtis | learning by doing | 04:45 |
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| notmyname | lcurtis: please let me know if you have other questions. and if I'm not around, there are many other people in here who can help and are friendly | 04:47 |
| notmyname | lcurtis: what are you using swift for? (/me is always curious about use cases) | 04:48 |
| notmyname | also, I hope I haven't already asked you that and forgotten ;-) | 04:48 |
| lcurtis | to shift an existing infrastruture off of S3 | 04:49 |
| notmyname | cool | 04:50 |
| lcurtis | aws = $$ | 04:50 |
| notmyname | yup | 04:50 |
| lcurtis | lol | 04:50 |
| lcurtis | was torn between ceph and swift... | 04:51 |
| notmyname | I hear that a lot (but I have selection bias since my employer looks for those S3->Swift stories...) | 04:51 |
| notmyname | ah? | 04:51 |
| notmyname | how'd you make you decision? | 04:51 |
| notmyname | and what made you choose swift? | 04:51 |
| lcurtis | more mature, purpose-built, integration | 04:52 |
| lcurtis | great community ;) | 04:52 |
| mattoliverau | ho: I have made a comment :) | 04:52 |
| notmyname | awww, shucks ;-) | 04:52 |
| notmyname | lcurtis: what integration are you looking for? | 04:52 |
| notmyname | internally with existing ops stuff or externally with apps? | 04:53 |
| lcurtis | just seems nicely integrated with openstack | 04:53 |
| lcurtis | externally with apps | 04:53 |
| notmyname | ya, that's the point :-) | 04:53 |
| notmyname | cool. I've been working some with some app vendors to get better/official swift support. it's hugely important | 04:54 |
| lcurtis | agreed! | 04:54 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: with ho's change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138342/ he is keeping duplicated data for backwards compatabliity, which is good (breaking monitoring tools for prod clusters is bad), so have suggested we need a way forward. Duplicate and mark depricated in the next release (his change is apart of) and then remove dulication in the following release. does my suggestion in the change look like a way forward, | 04:56 |
| mattoliverau | or is there a better way to depricate things? | 04:56 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: ... ummmm | 04:56 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: too late for such long and probably in comprehensable sentences? :P | 04:58 |
| notmyname | no, but I've got no context for it right now :-) | 04:58 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 04:59 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: ho: it's _really_ hard to deprecate things, especially stuff like this that is almost certainly used in custom scripts | 05:02 |
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| mattoliverau | yeah I agree, its why I wonder how... if ever (which I hope we do sometime), or do we mark as depricated in documentation and then wait for the next major major release swift 3.0.0 to remove it completely. | 05:05 |
| notmyname | ok, I'm out for tonight. tomorrow starts early | 05:15 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: night night | 05:16 |
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| ho | notmyname: mattoliverau: sorry to respond you late. The idea of a transition period sounds good for me. I will upload the patch with some doc change. | 05:39 |
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| mattoliverau | I'm calling it a day too. Night all | 06:26 |
| ho | mattoliverau: good night! | 06:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Print info message about incorrect --totals usage when neither -l nor --lh is provided. Added test coverage for --totals. https://review.openstack.org/130463 | 10:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Print info message about incorrect --totals usage when neither -l nor --lh is provided. Added test coverage for --totals. https://review.openstack.org/130463 | 11:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Change tests to use CaptureOutput class https://review.openstack.org/144968 | 11:36 |
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| ajax1100 | hello | 12:15 |
| waywardsonic | sorry guys | 12:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Consistently apply node error limiting rules in proxy https://review.openstack.org/135167 | 12:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-swiftclient: Print info message about incorrect --totals usage when neither -l nor --lh is provided. Added test coverage for --totals. https://review.openstack.org/130463 | 12:55 |
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| ajay_ | Can swift be used with exofs? | 13:11 |
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| jest | any best practice swift multiregion ring building examples available somewhere on the web? | 13:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Joel Wright proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: This patch fixes downloading files to stdout, allows _SwiftReader to operate as an iterator as well as a context manager. https://review.openstack.org/144899 | 13:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joel Wright proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: This patch fixes downloading files to stdout, allows _SwiftReader to operate as an iterator as well as a context manager. https://review.openstack.org/144899 | 14:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joel Wright proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: This patch fixes downloading files to stdout, allows _SwiftReader to operate as an iterator as well as a context manager. https://review.openstack.org/144899 | 14:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Fix the GET's response code when there is a missing segment in LO https://review.openstack.org/136258 | 16:23 |
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| notmyname | good morning | 16:50 |
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| portante | notmyname: good morning, happy new year | 16:52 |
| notmyname | thanks, you too! | 16:53 |
| notmyname | looks to be a busy day today | 16:53 |
| notmyname | catch up on what's going on | 16:53 |
| notmyname | peluse is in (my) town for EC work | 16:54 |
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| acoles | notmyname: portante: happy new year | 17:03 |
| clayg | happy new year! | 17:04 |
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| clayg | saw a bunch of merged failed this morning - what landed? | 17:05 |
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| acoles | clayg: this landed earlier https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135167/ | 17:12 |
| lcurtis | hello all...changing around my infrastructure plans for swift...had originally intended to put on top of zfs...i think best practice is xfs...any thoughts or point to benchmarks, reasoning? | 17:12 |
| clayg | acoles: oh crap... hope that was a good idea then :) | 17:14 |
| acoles | clayg: lol. i'm sure it was | 17:14 |
| clayg | lcurtis: I think it's just one of those things where more folks have run on and have experience with xfs | 17:14 |
| acoles | clayg: happy new year btw | 17:14 |
| lcurtis | thanks clayg | 17:14 |
| clayg | lcurtis: briancline tried running on extX one time and it was not fun for him for some reason | 17:15 |
| notmyname | lcurtis: fill up an xfs volume 90% full with 1MB files. flush caches. then os.walk the drive. xfs does better than others tested with a _lot_ of inodes/dentries | 17:15 |
| lcurtis | hello again notmyname...thanks for that..interesting | 17:16 |
| clayg | lcurtis: I'd imagine someone managed to get some sort of freebsd looking thing running most of swift in some sort of dev/lab setup - i've not kept up with the state of zfs on linux - isn't it like better now than evar! | 17:16 |
| lcurtis | yes very, though im still not a filesystem scientist | 17:16 |
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| lcurtis | lol | 17:17 |
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| notmyname | found it | 17:24 |
| notmyname | lcurtis: http://d.not.mn/FS_comparisons.png <-- courtesy of redbo a long time ago | 17:24 |
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| tdasilva | Happy New Year everyone! | 17:27 |
| lcurtis | notmyname--awesome reference | 17:30 |
| lcurtis | thanks | 17:30 |
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| clayg | peluse: notmyname: i'm reviewing 134065 - looks like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129361/ needs a rebase | 17:58 |
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| peluse | Happy New Year! | 18:09 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Hey all, is there a changelog for swiftclient that's readily available? I'm trying to determine what version the cacert parameter was added in but there doesn't seem to be documentation around that | 18:27 |
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| notmyname | sigmavirus24: git blame says it was added when the library was ported to use requests. so that would be v2.0 | 18:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | notmyname: thanks | 18:29 |
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| portante | acoles: happy new year to you and yours as well! | 18:50 |
| portante | notmyname, redbo: any guess on how long ago that was and as a stretch, what versions of things were involved? | 18:56 |
| portante | that was, being the FS traversal graph posted earlier ... | 18:56 |
| notmyname | portante: years ago. and "older that now" | 18:56 |
| notmyname | where "years" is probably 3ish | 18:57 |
| notmyname | portante: do you know anyone who looks at performance stuff? maybe for a big company that focuses on linux things? maybe that person could rerun some tests ;-) | 18:57 |
| portante | hmmm, lemme see ... ;) | 18:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Clay Gerrard proposed openstack/swift: Build up reconstructor with correct node selection https://review.openstack.org/129361 | 18:58 |
| portante | tdasilva! | 18:58 |
| portante | ;) | 18:58 |
| tdasilva | portante: are you asking me if I know someone in performance? yeah, i know a couple of really smart good guys | 19:00 |
| ahale_ | I'd have thought it was closer to a year ago we were revisiting bulkstat .. but time flies :) | 19:01 |
| redbo | hmm... that data was from 8/13. I apparently didn't record the system configuration. Ubuntu precise with whatever latest version of the kernel had been backported to it at that point. | 19:06 |
| portante | redbo: thanks! | 19:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clay Gerrard proposed openstack/swift: Build up reconstructor with correct node selection https://review.openstack.org/129361 | 19:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thiago da Silva proposed openstack/swift: versioned writes middleware https://review.openstack.org/134347 | 19:46 |
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| clayg | redbo: hi! | 19:48 |
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| torgomatic | cschwede: ping | 19:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | paul luse proposed openstack/swift: New hashes.pkl format and other reconstructor changes https://review.openstack.org/131872 | 20:06 |
| openstackgerrit | paul luse proposed openstack/swift: Build up reconstructor with correct node selection https://review.openstack.org/129361 | 20:06 |
| openstackgerrit | paul luse proposed openstack/swift: Add node/pair index patch back into feature/EC https://review.openstack.org/134065 | 20:06 |
| redbo | clayg: hi | 20:26 |
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| mattoliverau | Morning | 21:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Samuel Merritt proposed openstack/swift: Only move too-close-together replicas when they can spread out. https://review.openstack.org/140879 | 22:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Samuel Merritt proposed openstack/swift: Add notion of overload to swift-ring-builder https://review.openstack.org/141452 | 22:17 |
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