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| mattoliverau | I'm calling it a day, night all. | 06:39 |
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| cschwede | mahatic: I’m around now :) | 07:16 |
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| manish_ | clayg: Hi | 09:54 |
| manish_ | I want to configure SWIFT with HTTPS... is it possible in SWIFT? | 09:55 |
| manish_ | clayg: do u have any idea about this? | 09:55 |
| mattoliverau | manish sure, the proxy handles https, so you can have SSL to the proxy and the no SSL from proxy to storage nodes. | 10:07 |
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| mattoliverau | manish_ ^^ | 10:08 |
| ahale | yeah though proxy will emit a warning with https now I think? since its not as good at terminating as things designed for it like nginx/haproxy/stud/whatever | 10:10 |
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| manish_ | mattoliverau: Thanks for information. Do you know what steps i need to follow to configure this? | 10:12 |
| manish_ | mattoliverau: do i need to put following values in proxy-server.conf file ------------ cert_file = /etc/swift/proxy.crt , key_file = /etc/swift/proxy.key ? | 10:13 |
| manish_ | ahale: thanks.. | 10:13 |
| cschwede | manish_: have a look at pound too, you could use it as a ssl terminator in front of the proxy: http://www.apsis.ch/pound/ | 10:15 |
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| mattoliverau | manish_: yeah cert_file and key_file, but the Juno docs talk about the warning, so it'll work but SSL termination from something like pound, nginx or other load balancers would be better (as the others suggest) | 10:21 |
| mattoliverau | Here is the latest proxy server doc: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/config-reference/content/proxy-server-configuration.html | 10:23 |
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| manish_ | mattoliverau: i ma not concerned about warning as of now. SO by just mentioning above two parameters in proxy-server.conf is enough for handling HTTPS requests? | 10:28 |
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| manish_ | mattoliverau: i tried that by setting values for cert_file and key_file in proxy configuration, but this is not working :( | 11:45 |
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| manish_ | mattoliverau: i do not have proxy.crt or proxy.key at location /etc/SWIFT | 12:01 |
| manish_ | mattoliverau: from where i can download this? | 12:01 |
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| mattoliverau | manish_: the cert is an SSL cert and the key is the key file you used to generate it. If your testing you can just create a self signed one, Google for openssl self signed cert. Sorry for slow responses it's 11pm here so not really awake :p | 12:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/python-swiftclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/89250 | 12:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-swiftclient: Replaces Stacktraces with useful error messages. https://review.openstack.org/125407 | 12:24 |
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| manish_ | mattoliverau: Thank u so much..it is working now :) | 12:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jean-Daniel Bonnetot proposed a change to openstack/swift: This is a commit test. You can ignore it. https://review.openstack.org/131170 | 15:09 |
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| acoles | clayg: hmm, i think that if os-storage-url has been set then it should never get replaced with something that auth (or a reauth) returns - that can lead to surprises | 15:57 |
| acoles | clayg: if os-storage-url has not been set, then use whatever url is returned by each auth attempt. is that same as what you said ? i hope so | 15:58 |
| acoles | clayg: btw, i can see i'm going to be rebasing to use your assert_requests thing | 15:59 |
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| mahatic | acoles, hi! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125275/ Even after rebase on your patches, I'm still getting python33 error. Can you please take a look? | 16:16 |
| acoles | mahatic: ok i will take a look | 16:16 |
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| notmyname | good morning, world | 16:34 |
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| peluse_ | good morning | 16:48 |
| peluse_ | tsg- how's progress w/you and torgomatic on the PUT path? | 16:48 |
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| acoles | notmyname: peluse_ : expect you have seen this but just in case http://openstackparis.scality.com/ | 16:53 |
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| acoles | mahatic: its a py3 change, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1073396/is-generator-next-visible-in-python-3-0 | 16:56 |
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| peluse_ | acoles, yup. I'll be there (not much of a choice actually) :) | 16:57 |
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| torgomatic | any core who wants easy review karma: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130896/ | 16:58 |
| notmyname | done | 16:59 |
| torgomatic | thanks | 17:02 |
| notmyname | I'd like to bump the eventlet version to 0.9.16, but since we'll bump it way up for EC, no need to fight global requirements for now | 17:03 |
| torgomatic | indeed; EC branch has 0.15.2, and that even matches global requirements | 17:04 |
| mahatic | acoles, oh. But in the test, the only place (as i see it) where it needs to be taken care, it is done. ('builtins' usage). Should i be doing something else? | 17:04 |
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| mahatic | acoles, my bad. The .next has to be changed i believe | 17:10 |
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| acoles | mahatic: yep, use next(thing) instead of thing.next() | 17:11 |
| mahatic | okay | 17:12 |
| acoles | mahatic: btw, i don't think you need that BUILTIN_OPEN stuff in test_service.py (that was my bad pastebin iirc) | 17:12 |
| mahatic | acoles, oh. that's required only for the main module? | 17:13 |
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| mahatic | acoles, I mean i don't understand why it is required/not required | 17:14 |
| acoles | acoles: iirc i copied test_shell.py to create test_service.py and looks like i didn't then delete enough | 17:17 |
| acoles | mahatic: if you look in test_shell.pt to see how its used for mocking open() - you don't need it | 17:17 |
| mahatic | acoles, ah okay. Looked at test_shell.py. Thank you! | 17:19 |
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| mahatic | acoles, also clayg commented asking why optparse is not used. I read about optparse but it does not fit in the context i believe? | 17:23 |
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| acoles | mahatic: i think clayg's point is that the parse in shell.py could detect a bad (non-in) value. But this takes care of that now anyway https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126310/ | 17:25 |
| mahatic | acoles, yeah exactly. I was going to point to that patch | 17:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Mahati proposed a change to openstack/python-swiftclient: Adds user friendly message when --segment-size is a non-integer https://review.openstack.org/125275 | 17:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mahati proposed a change to openstack/python-swiftclient: Adds user friendly message when --segment-size is a non-integer https://review.openstack.org/125275 | 17:47 |
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| clayg | acoles: yeah i agree on os_storage_url - i was acctually thinking about that on friday but got distracted with the ssync/object-sysmeta thing | 18:02 |
| clayg | didn't get a change to look at things over the weekend | 18:02 |
| clayg | which is a good change | 18:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Barton proposed a change to openstack/swift: reject problematic object names https://review.openstack.org/131233 | 18:06 |
| acoles | clayg: about the sysmeta/ssync thing, agree the test doesn't work, but raise interesting question as to what should happen | 18:09 |
| clayg | acoles: yeah, idk - I think we should so something that says object system meta doesn't really work yet | 18:11 |
| acoles | cayg: in same splitbrain scenario, ssync will (i think) take a t0.data, update its time to that of a t2.meta, and then put the composite over a t1.data | 18:11 |
| acoles | clayg:^^ | 18:11 |
| acoles | clayg: so the sysmeta behavior is the same as for the object data, no? | 18:12 |
| clayg | acoles: yeah that's what's going on - i mean I wouldn't describe it was "update it's time" - but yeah you get a t2.data | 18:12 |
| clayg | acoles: yeah i mean ssync only does PUTs | 18:12 |
| clayg | redbo: wtf patch 131233 | 18:14 |
| redbo | I know right | 18:15 |
| torgomatic | oh good, that's the whole unicode normalization thing | 18:16 |
| acoles | clayg: seems to me that object sysmeta 'works' as much as object data does in that splitbrain situation | 18:16 |
| clayg | torgomatic: there's a whole *thing* for this!? | 18:16 |
| zaitcev | Thank you Python 3 | 18:16 |
| zaitcev | For your wise choices | 18:16 |
| torgomatic | clayg: yeah, it's sort of a huge mess | 18:16 |
| zaitcev | I mean Guido | 18:16 |
| torgomatic | clayg: https://docs.python.org/2/library/unicodedata.html#unicodedata.normalize | 18:17 |
| torgomatic | looks like maybe Python is doing some normalization stuff... hard to say though | 18:17 |
| clayg | acoles: oh interesting, so the t0.data swallows the t1.data when it pushes the t0.data with the t2.meta timestamp - fuuuuu | 18:18 |
| redbo | some sort of normalization is my assumption, though I thought you had to opt in to that | 18:19 |
| torgomatic | yeah, me too | 18:19 |
| clayg | bah, who thought unicode was a good idea - strings are bytes with encodings, deal with it | 18:21 |
| torgomatic | wait a minute... your example string is wacky I think | 18:21 |
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| torgomatic | '\xed\xa0\xbc\xed\xbc\xb8' is 6 bytes... I thought UTF8 only went up to 4- or 5-byte sequences | 18:21 |
| torgomatic | wikipedia says 4-byte, and that's on the internet so you know it's trustworthy | 18:22 |
| torgomatic | or maybe I'm dumb... let me regroup and try again | 18:23 |
| clayg | torgomatic: well redbo said it was two utf-8 code points? | 18:24 |
| torgomatic | clayg: yeah, it is, but it decodes to a thing that's only one codepoint long... so what the heck is going on there? | 18:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Clay Gerrard proposed a change to openstack/python-swiftclient: better capture output https://review.openstack.org/131238 | 18:25 |
| torgomatic | '\xed\xa0\xbc\xed\xbc\xb8'.decode("utf-8") ---> u'\U0001f338' | 18:25 |
| acoles | clayg: i believe so. here's a very similar probe test for the .data side of the story - will fail with ssync and post-as-copy http://paste.openstack.org/show/125476/ | 18:25 |
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| torgomatic | huh, looks like those two characters are Unicode surrogates, which is a thing that I just now learned exists | 18:30 |
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| clayg | acoles: yeah ok, so ssync and post-as-copy don't really play well together either | 18:30 |
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| clayg | acoles: we have too many options - we need to get back to one way to do posts, and then think real hard about how we're going to get back on track moving away from rsync | 18:31 |
| clayg | torgomatic: lol | 18:31 |
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| acoles | clayg: yeah, and that test will fail for ssync and post-whichever-way | 18:32 |
| torgomatic | okay, so apparently Unicode has surrogate codepoints, and they always come in pairs | 18:32 |
| torgomatic | (at least in valid Unicode strings) | 18:32 |
| clayg | well but it's a slightly different failure, with post-as-copy you're setting a scenario where the old data is inaccessble during the POST which is sort of a knonw limitation of post-as-copy | 18:33 |
| torgomatic | and the surrogate pair is used together to indicate some other codepoint with a value above 2^16 | 18:33 |
| clayg | acoles: on the other side ssync's handling of .meta files is sorta scary where the replication eats the t1.data - if it happens during the client request... well i'm not sure it's better; but i'm not really surprised | 18:34 |
| acoles | clayg: true. my point was more that ssync+fast-post will fail that test | 18:34 |
| torgomatic | so this is some hack to fit all of Unicode into UTF-16, and someone took those magic codepoints and encoded them into UTF-8 | 18:34 |
| clayg | acoles: but I'm definately left with the notion that ssync and fast-post are not friends | 18:34 |
| clayg | acoles: sorry, already knew that - do you think that somehow makes the situation with object sysmeta "better"? | 18:35 |
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| clayg | acoles: imho it fails basically the same way that rsync+post-as-copy fails? | 18:35 |
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| clayg | acoles: so here's my final thoughts after the weekend - object sysmeta persistance in the face of POST has no strong guarante unless you're running rsync and fast-post | 18:37 |
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| clayg | acoles: I don't see how we can extend that to work to post-as-copy; the whole notion stands in the face of the obvious post-as-copy race that we try to sweep under the rug | 18:38 |
| clayg | acoles: so our best bet is to get container-updates-on-post working, and deprecate post-as-copy, then make ssync sync .meta updates without transfering the whole object | 18:39 |
| acoles | clayg: no, not "better", but consistent in sense that if you do an object post-as-copy while the newest .data are unavailable, then replication (ssync or rsync) will result in losing the newset data, and along with it you lose the sysmeta that you PUT with that data | 18:39 |
| clayg | and then we get to say "object sysmeta persists across a POST" | 18:39 |
| clayg | acoles: ok, so your target for "good enough to say object sysmeta persists across POSTs" is *just* to fix ssync and .meta replication? cause I think fast-post is sorta nutered right now, and basically no one is running ssync, so it seems like a semantic victory at best (IMHO) | 18:41 |
| acoles | clayg: err, no, maybe our wires are crossing | 18:42 |
| clayg | acoles: heh - well we'll get to hash it out over beers next week right! :D | 18:42 |
| acoles | clayg: i guess i'm just thinking that 'weakness' in the obj sysmeta is also true for the obj data. and that both could od with fixing :) | 18:43 |
| acoles | od -> do | 18:44 |
| clayg | acoles: that's the ticket! fix everything! | 18:44 |
| acoles | clayg: right, its just a matter of time and sufficient monkeys, and we'll get there :D | 18:44 |
| * peluse_ works for bananas | 18:45 | |
| acoles | peluse_: lol | 18:46 |
| acoles | clayg: i gotta run, sick wife, lets tackle it over beer next week | 18:47 |
| redbo | torgomatic: it's two 3-byte utf-8 codepoints, which represent '\ud83c\udf38', which I guess python squashes because surrogates. | 18:48 |
| clayg | acoles: k, well i'm going to look at the contaienr-updates on POST spec that'd you've been working on - at first glance it seemed like we might be able to reduce scope some | 18:48 |
| torgomatic | redbo: yep, so some jerk took a UTF-16 string, went codepoint-by-codepoint and encoded them as UTF-8, concatenated the result, and used that as an object name | 18:48 |
| torgomatic | or something like that | 18:49 |
| redbo | I think it was an emoji | 18:49 |
| torgomatic | http://stosberg.net/unicode/cherry-blossom/codepoint/127800/ | 18:49 |
| torgomatic | yup | 18:49 |
| redbo | my official position is that none of our customers are jerks | 18:49 |
| torgomatic | but still, one can encode that as UTF-8 without being dumb | 18:49 |
| clayg | acoles: specifically I don't think we need to have a depencdency on the generalized multiple .meta solution as much as just special case content-type | 18:50 |
| torgomatic | hehe | 18:50 |
| acoles | clayg: ok, iirc i'd ended up thinking i needed to figure out the general case so i'd love some other input, i ended up down a bit of a rathole | 18:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clay Gerrard proposed a change to openstack/python-swiftclient: better capture output https://review.openstack.org/131238 | 19:03 |
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| redbo | is matching surrogates in utf-8 going to be tough? | 19:15 |
| redbo | seems like you'd almost need a utf8 decoder | 19:16 |
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| torgomatic | redbo: maybe... looks like Python uses surrogates internally sometimes depending on how it's compiled, so it might be too ugly to be worth doing | 19:24 |
| dmsimard | Hey guys, just a random question. Anyone familiar with S3QL with Swift ? How has it worked for you ? https://bitbucket.org/nikratio/s3ql/overview | 19:25 |
| redbo | maybe we should limit object names to 7-bit ascii | 19:26 |
| torgomatic | now we're talkign | 19:30 |
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| mdorman | can anyone recommend a good reference for configuring swift with a backend on ceph object store? | 19:34 |
| clayg | mdorman: you should look at radosgw - it's not really affiliated with the swift project | 19:36 |
| mdorman | right. but isn’t there a way to run the native openstack swift service, but just backend the storage through radosgw? | 19:36 |
| mdorman | or am i missing something here? | 19:36 |
| portante | clayg: there is also: https://github.com/enovance/swift-ceph-backend | 19:38 |
| clayg | mdorman: there was at least one attempt I'm aware of -> https://github.com/enovance/swift-ceph-backend <- decidely *not* radosgw, YMMV | 19:38 |
| portante | mdorman: ^^^ | 19:38 |
| clayg | portante: you lurk! | 19:38 |
| portante | ;) | 19:38 |
| mdorman | yeah i have heard of that, too. | 19:38 |
| * portante these are not the droids you are looking for ... | 19:39 | |
| mdorman | i thought there was a way to backend OS swift directly on radosgw… so you get the benefits of librados, etc. but i guess maybe i misunderstood what i was looking at | 19:40 |
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| portante | mdorman: I believe that is https://github.com/enovance/swift-ceph-backend | 20:34 |
| portante | that use librados, no? | 20:34 |
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| portante | that uses librados, no? | 20:35 |
| mdorman | unsure. my understanding was not, but maybe that’s wrong. | 20:35 |
| portante | I don't think radosgw is a 1-to-1 replacement for swift, nor is the above swift-ceph-backend a 1-to-1 replacement for the radosgw | 20:35 |
| mdorman | right | 20:36 |
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| portante | mdorman: it is doing an "import rados" which is the librados client, see https://ceph.com/docs/v0.79/rados/api/python/ | 20:50 |
| mdorman | nice. well that’s encouraging | 20:51 |
| notmyname | swift design summit sessions pushed to sched http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/swift | 20:53 |
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| mattoliverau | notmyname: yay, nice work! Lots of talking on Thursday and Friday :) | 21:14 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: and monday-wednesday ;-) | 21:14 |
| mattoliverau | Oh and good morning all | 21:15 |
| notmyname | hi! | 21:15 |
| goodes | hello | 21:21 |
| goodes | is there any reason why adding a field to each entry of container list should not be done e.g. if I wanted to add info about the encryption of each file, is there a reason why not to add it to the container list response? | 21:24 |
| mattoliverau | From a middleware? Adding to the standard output or to the json/XML output? | 21:28 |
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| goodes | sorry, from within a middleware, intercepting a container list request | 21:29 |
| goodes | mattoliverau: I'm assuming from json response it should be safe, however just wanted to make sure I was not missing some legacy issue | 21:34 |
| mattoliverau | There is nothing stopping you but you'd have to take into account the possibly returned list in json or XML format, and do it chucking the returned data cause you don't know the size of the list. | 21:36 |
| goodes | mattoliverau: thanks - sounds like lots of fun | 21:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jay Bryant proposed a change to openstack/swift: Handle os.listdir failures in object-updater https://review.openstack.org/125746 | 21:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jay Bryant proposed a change to openstack/swift: Handle os.listdir failures in container-updater https://review.openstack.org/125864 | 22:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/swift: Update Getting Started requirements versions https://review.openstack.org/130896 | 22:48 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/swift: Mention Python 2.7 in Getting Started guide https://review.openstack.org/130898 | 22:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Samuel Merritt proposed a change to openstack/swift: WIP: EC PUT path https://review.openstack.org/130349 | 22:50 |
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| notmyname | anyone know a way to generate a line graph from the CLI that makes prettier graphs than matplotlib? | 23:35 |
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