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| svetmy | Hi, i'm configuring swift on icehouse - added a storage node. Now when i'm creating a container - it reported created successfully, but not showing. Has anyone seen this? | 00:18 |
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| zaitcev | svetmy: check if updaters run well. Maybe just forgot to start, forgot to add into permanent boot with systemctl enable or chkconfig on. | 03:15 |
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| notmyname | hello | 04:33 |
| elambert_ | notmyname: hello :-) | 04:34 |
| notmyname | elambert_: I'm working on fine-tuning a presentation. what's your excuse for being online at 9:30pm? ;-) | 04:34 |
| elambert_ | its either that .. or do the dishes | 04:35 |
| notmyname | heh | 04:35 |
| notmyname | clearly you've made the wise choice :-) | 04:35 |
| elambert_ | was an easy one to make | 04:36 |
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| mattoliverau | notmyname: how did the tuesday presentation go? Much tweaking for tomorrows? | 05:53 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: went' pretty well, thanks | 05:53 |
| notmyname | not too many edits, but there are a few | 05:53 |
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| mattoliverau | notmyname: well I may or may not be goofing off from normal work to attempt a half arsed messaging middleware using oslo messaging as a POC, just to see if it'll work... stealing/borrowing much of the data_migration framework, ie drivers for rabbitmq, qpid, etc. (thanks Gill et el). Damn swift meetings that make you think :P | 05:58 |
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| mattoliverau | Wow, it's already 5 pm.. I'm supposed to have been to the shops so I have food to cook for dinner... opps.. bbl | 06:01 |
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| notmyname | good morning | 14:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Simon Lorenz proposed a change to openstack/swift: Added flag to create unique tmp dir per strg node https://review.openstack.org/124088 | 14:48 |
| acoles | notmyname: this is fun... http://15.126.204.92:9000/dashboard/?did=4 | 14:54 |
| notmyname | acoles: that is cool | 14:55 |
| acoles | click on swift to drill down | 14:55 |
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| acoles | notmyname: from here http://15.126.204.92:9000/dashboard/index/1394 if you click on coverage (87.7%) you get to browse code annotated with coverage issues | 15:00 |
| notmyname | yeah, that's cool | 15:00 |
| notmyname | is this your tool or ...? | 15:00 |
| acoles | a colleague here in bristol just set it up - he's wondering how to integrate it with jenkins | 15:01 |
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| tdasilva | acoles: that's really neat! | 15:02 |
| acoles | apparently you can train it to ignore certain issues (e.g. false negatives) | 15:04 |
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| acoles | peluse: you about? | 15:08 |
| notmyname | gotta run. going to LA today and tomorrow to talk about swift | 15:15 |
| notmyname | I'll be on my cell if anyone needs me | 15:15 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: have a good trip, thanks for the help | 15:16 |
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| thurloat | crap, missed notmyname | 15:29 |
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| peluse | acoles, I'm here now for another 20 min or so | 17:25 |
| acoles | peluse: hi, quick question hopefully... | 17:26 |
| acoles | i was looking at this review earlier... | 17:26 |
| peluse | will give it a go... | 17:26 |
| peluse | BTW, cool stats page earlier | 17:26 |
| acoles | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112449/4 | 17:27 |
| acoles | just wondering what the status of this is now w.r.t. the .durable file etc.? | 17:27 |
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| acoles | i.e. is this still current, cos it seems like the decision to delete or not is now not so much per-policy but when the .durable arrives | 17:28 |
| peluse | acoles, this is jsut the "don't delete stuff" portion so its ready to go as as. Handling of the other aspects of the multi-phase PUT, cleanup, etc., are separate tasks | 17:28 |
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| peluse | acoles, well its still per policy as there's no concept of .durable other than per policy | 17:29 |
| acoles | so, will a .durable be in a different policy - if not then the policy.auto_cleanup will prevent deleting old stuff even when the .durable is written? | 17:30 |
| * acoles is confused | 17:30 | |
| peluse | now I am too :) | 17:30 |
| acoles | sorry :/ | 17:30 |
| peluse | let me circle back and give it another once over in light of the latest discussions and I'll update it this afternoon with either a tweak or a WIP -1 if it looks like it needs real work. thanks! | 17:31 |
| acoles | ok, i'm at end of day here so won't get back to it til tomorrow. | 17:31 |
| peluse | no problem, thanks for taking a look | 17:32 |
| acoles | peluse: one thought i had was to make auto_cleanup a parameter of the diskfile object, then based on policy set it false for an EC .data, leave it true for an EC .durable | 17:32 |
| acoles | anyway, i'll wait for your thoughts :) | 17:32 |
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| mahatic | cschwede, hi! around? | 18:38 |
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| notmyname | thurloat: what's up. I'm back online for a bit | 20:47 |
| thurloat | hey notmyname, wanted to get your opinion on the approach here: https://bitbucket.org/clouda/swift-container-keys | 20:49 |
| notmyname | looking | 20:50 |
| thurloat | thanks :) | 20:50 |
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| thurloat | main idea, container based long lived auth tokens for read / write access | 20:51 |
| notmyname | but still a shared secret passed in a header | 20:51 |
| notmyname | also, no "identity" associated with it, so you don't give creds (authn) before getting access (authz). so this is "if you know the shared secret, you have access" and "you have to coordinate every user if you ever want to change the key" | 20:53 |
| notmyname | thurloat: so if all of that is ok, it seems like a pretty simple system. what's your use case for this? | 20:54 |
| thurloat | that's the plan, stan. the main use-case is embedding for applications that need to upload data to or read a specific container | 20:54 |
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| thurloat | so no keystone auth data is ever embedded | 20:54 |
| notmyname | thurloat: interesting. I'd probably have used tempurls first. it's a per-container shared secret that you can use to grant time-limited access for a particular verb | 20:55 |
| thurloat | tempurl keys are per account, iirc | 20:55 |
| notmyname | ah, yeah. that's right | 20:55 |
| notmyname | ...maybe that could be changed... | 20:56 |
| thurloat | essentially the same mechanism, with no expiry | 20:56 |
| thurloat | was actually planning on using tempurls to come up witha solution to the problem, but didnt want to make changes to core middleware | 20:57 |
| thurloat | and it would have ended up hacky | 20:57 |
| torgomatic | you can get effectively no expiry with tempurls by using a far future time | 20:58 |
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| notmyname | I'm looking over at the code | 20:58 |
| thurloat | and we have horizon integration for our customers to revoke & regen new keys for a container | 20:58 |
| torgomatic | although it can't give you container reads, just object, so no listings | 20:58 |
| notmyname | line 48 should say container metadata instead of account metadata. that confused me at first :- | 20:59 |
| notmyname | ) | 20:59 |
| thurloat | torgomatic: yea, i hmmd and hawd about it before i wrote a LOC. this fits the end user use-case a lot nicer. | 21:00 |
| thurloat | docsbug! | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | thurloat: line 123 should probably not be a blanket set the authorize callback. maybe | 21:02 |
| notmyname | I don't remember right off what the authorize_override does | 21:02 |
| thurloat | notmyname: based the skipping off of https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/swift/common/middleware/tempurl.py#L324 from tempurl | 21:03 |
| thurloat | open to a better way | 21:04 |
| torgomatic | you need authorize override to keep the other auth systems out of your hair | 21:04 |
| notmyname | yeah. see it now | 21:05 |
| notmyname | it's nicely undocumented ;-) | 21:05 |
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| thurloat | can't be sure enough when dealing with auth stuff | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | Morning | 21:06 |
| thurloat | I really appreciate you having a review notmyname, helps to get feedback outside of the echo chamber ;) | 21:08 |
| notmyname | thurloat: sorry got distracted here | 21:11 |
| swat30 | * ecoh * | 21:11 |
| notmyname | thurloat: so about setting swift.authorize | 21:11 |
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| thurloat | who let swat30 out of his cage? | 21:12 |
| notmyname | all I'm wondering is if your code starts to play better with others (and be longer-lived and easier to maintain) if you have a guard like https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/swift/common/middleware/tempauth.py#L211 | 21:12 |
| notmyname | thurloat: IOW, that kind of thing probably makes it easier to use with other auth systems | 21:13 |
| thurloat | mm would there be a clash with another system checking is swift.authorize is set? | 21:13 |
| notmyname | but mostly I'm just sitting in a hotel room looking at code I didn't write and thinking out loud. so don't take that as The Way It Should Be (tm) | 21:13 |
| thurloat | maybe i'd be best just setting override boolean, keystone backend checks for that before even mentioning swift.authorize | 21:14 |
| thurloat | both tempauth and keystone auth play that way | 21:15 |
| notmyname | thurloat: eg if the pipline is "... tempauth containerkey ..." then tempauth will set the authorize callback (because it's empty) then container key might stomp on it | 21:15 |
| notmyname | yeah | 21:15 |
| notmyname | s/might/will/ | 21:15 |
| notmyname | but maybe that's not a problem either:-) | 21:16 |
| thurloat | it goes up front before auths in the pipeline (docc'd in readme) | 21:16 |
| swat30 | the one thing he doc'd ;) | 21:16 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:16 |
| notmyname | so otherwise you're using keystone? | 21:16 |
| thurloat | yeah | 21:17 |
| notmyname | are you using uuid tokens or the pki tokens? | 21:17 |
| swat30 | just uuid | 21:17 |
| notmyname | and how's that working for you? | 21:17 |
| swat30 | fine, haven't run into any issues | 21:17 |
| notmyname | cool | 21:17 |
| swat30 | are there known problems w/ swift + UUID? | 21:17 |
| notmyname | swat30: no. with keystone+swift, the uuid is pretty much the way to go (because PKI tokens are so big). but people have run in to scale issues with keystone in the past when using it with swift. | 21:18 |
| swat30 | yea, we've run into some issues in testing with PKI. what kind of scale are we talking? | 21:19 |
| notmyname | hundreds to thousands of req/sec to swift | 21:20 |
| swat30 | hm, interesting | 21:21 |
| swat30 | just due to all of the API calls I assume? | 21:21 |
| notmyname | yeah. or maybe with the storage for the tokens | 21:21 |
| swat30 | yea, we use DB + memcached | 21:22 |
| notmyname | still, if it's working well for you, I'm really happy to hear that | 21:22 |
| swat30 | yea, been really great so far | 21:25 |
| thurloat | you can see the fancy read-key in action on our prod swift | 21:27 |
| thurloat | curl -H "X-Container-Meta-Read-Key:notmynamekeykeykeykeykey" https://swift.ca-ns-1.clouda.ca:8443/v2.0/AUTH_5512b421d6c84760b22ab4422b783c36/test | 21:27 |
| * notmyname downloads all the filz | 21:28 | |
| thurloat | a bunch of swift testy files :) | 21:28 |
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| thurloat | the 3rd party tool integration is spotty at best with keystone backend | 21:29 |
| thurloat | speaking of the files in that bucket | 21:29 |
| thurloat | s/bucket/container/ | 21:29 |
| swat30 | thurloat, what issues have we seen WRT 3rd party access? | 21:30 |
| swat30 | notmyname, have you seen demand for a container based auth middleware? | 21:33 |
| thurloat | spotty support for keystone auth for most of the windows installed ones, usually different reasons. came across hardcoded rackspace auth urls, only keystone v1 support, etc | 21:33 |
| swat30 | more than happy to share :) | 21:33 |
| notmyname | swat30: there were some guys asking in IRC from some canadian hoster recently. they had some "containerkey" middleware.... | 21:34 |
| swat30 | lol | 21:34 |
| thurloat | damn canadian hosers | 21:34 |
| swat30 | eh? | 21:34 |
| thurloat | swat30: speaking of keystone issue, i forked swift-nbd-server to add better keystone support on our GH repo a few months ago https://github.com/CloudA/swift-nbd-server/commits/master | 21:37 |
| swat30 | yea I noticed that, haven't seen it in action tho | 21:37 |
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| thurloat | it's pretty meh, literally creates a blocks -> objects mapping | 21:38 |
| thurloat | imagine how slow that'd be on random reads | 21:39 |
| swat30 | yea, wouldn't imagine that you would want to use it for anything that requires any sort of performance lol | 21:39 |
| thurloat | nop, saving grace was i formatted the block device with 1 meg blocks. | 21:40 |
| thurloat | and hope it's in vm_cache when you re-read it | 21:40 |
| thurloat | let's take this back to hipchat swat30, offtopic land. | 21:42 |
| thurloat | thanks again notmyname for helping out | 21:42 |
| swat30 | thurloat, seconded sir | 21:42 |
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