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| zaitcev | Guys | 03:08 |
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| zaitcev | http://www.zaitcev.us/things/domain_remap.txt | 03:10 |
| zaitcev | In what circumstances the statement if not account.startswith(real_prefix): can trigger? | 03:11 |
| zaitcev | say, we have account foo_000000 | 03:11 |
| zaitcev | account_reseller_prefix is foo | 03:11 |
| zaitcev | we find foo among reseller prefixes (if not, we bail) | 03:12 |
| zaitcev | so, real_prefix MUST be foo, although pointing into the config list | 03:12 |
| zaitcev | So, line 10 could never come into play, of I'm missing something? | 03:13 |
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| mattoliverau | zaitcev: it always compares with it all lower case, but the real_prefix could contain uppercase, so it swaps it.. that's what I get out of reading the code. So real_prefix could be FOO which wont match foo. | 03:33 |
| zaitcev | mattoliverau: I see, thanks | 03:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Dickinson proposed a change to openstack/swift: fix my name in AUTHORS https://review.openstack.org/117081 | 16:33 |
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| notmyname | good morning | 16:52 |
| dmsimard | notmyname: hi :) | 16:53 |
| * notmyname is getting caught up from the ops summit | 16:53 | |
| notmyname | oh, and we have a team meeting in about 2 hours. good fun | 16:54 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: thanks for the great comment on that tempest change | 17:26 |
| clayg | torgomatic: you're always trying to get tempest to do http success status codes right | 17:27 |
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| tdasilva_ | clayg: hi! I was trying to understand the changes in 103777 and got stuck with that call to any(). I guess I expected that at least a quorum would have to return the same result (e.g., HTTP_CONFLICT) | 17:34 |
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| torgomatic | if I keep pushing that rock up that hill, I'll have to reach the top one of these times | 17:49 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: then a bird eats your liver and the rock rolls down the hill and lands on your heel? or something | 18:03 |
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| clayg | tdasilva_: hard to say, if you looke at what x-if-not-match does there's no such qouruming | 18:15 |
| clayg | tdasilva_: plus if you don't get a conflict it's harder to go back and get another node, or to justify that it's even reasonable to do so - since that one guy that 409'd is gunna win out eventually | 18:16 |
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| zaitcev | Do we have a meeting today, or John is on his way from San Antonio? | 18:57 |
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| notmyname | yup. meeting time is basically now | 18:59 |
| torgomatic | I think we have one | 18:59 |
| notmyname | I flew in )early) | 18:59 |
| redbo | can we get rid of pbr yet? the gate hasn't passed any jobs in >24 hours because of their bug. | 19:00 |
| torgomatic | redbo: +1 from me | 19:01 |
| notmyname | redbo: still? *sigh* | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | this is supposed to unblock us https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116775/ | 19:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Tushar Gohad proposed a change to openstack/swift: EC: Make quorum_size() specific to storage policy https://review.openstack.org/111067 | 19:37 |
| notmyname | and they're talking about it in -infra now | 19:37 |
| notmyname | redbo: ^ | 19:40 |
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| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116775/ has been approved and will unblock swift patches when it lands | 19:59 |
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| mahatic | hello! I have a couple of basic questions on Swift: I have set up swift using loopback device storage and followed this guide http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/development_saio.html | 21:35 |
| mahatic | I understand swift process on a rather high level. I'm not sure how to test and store an object. Can someone help with that? | 21:37 |
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| ctennis | mahatic: did step #13, where you used the "swift" command line utility work for you okay? | 21:45 |
| ctennis | you can use that same command to upload files, create containers, etc. | 21:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Clay Gerrard proposed a change to openstack/swift: Include timestamp in diskfile create https://review.openstack.org/117359 | 21:52 |
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| clayg | awww man, where'd tdasilva_ go? | 22:06 |
| _Slo | Using Ceph RadosGW as a Swift backend (https://github.com/enovance/swift-ceph-backend) , does that mean, since I am guaranteed to use Swift native API together with RadosGW, that the middleware, which was written for Swift, would perfectly work also with radosgw object store? Or is it dependant on what RadosGW supports - right now there is no 100% compatibility (http://ceph.com/docs/master/radosgw/swift/) | 22:08 |
| clayg | portante: tdasilva_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117359/ <- backwards incomptible change to DiskFile | 22:08 |
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| notmyname | _Slo: AIUI, that implementation completely hides ceph and uses upstream swift. so you'd get 100% swift api support and the ability to use any middleware that works with swift. | 22:09 |
| clayg | _Slo: you'll want to ask that question again on OFTC in #ceph - but I think the RadosGW doesn't support swift middlewares 'cause - it's not python/wsgi | 22:10 |
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| clayg | oh - *that* - i saw RadosGW and got sorta confused :D | 22:10 |
| notmyname | clayg: isn't that thing the same as the glusterfs backend (conceptually) | 22:10 |
| peluse | _Slo: clayg is correct, we had that discussion in a ceph design session at the last summit | 22:10 |
| clayg | notmyname: yeah enovance is working on a diskfile - which could turn out ok - yay! | 22:11 |
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| mattoliverau | Morning all.. Again | 22:11 |
| notmyname | _Slo: or are you asking that since that enovance thing exists, can you use swift middleware with radosgw? | 22:11 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: hi | 22:11 |
| clayg | _Slo: but I don't think you should call it a RadosGW - that's confusing - does envovance call it that? | 22:11 |
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| clayg | chmouel: ^ | 22:11 |
| notmyname | clayg: no, we might have jsut misunderstood the question | 22:11 |
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| notmyname | peluse: welcome back | 22:12 |
| clayg | i'm afk for a bit | 22:12 |
| _Slo | thank you all for answers. I am asking this becuase I would like to understand, since let's say - I know that radosgw don't support object versioning, and I am curious why would it know, when using it through Swift plugin | 22:14 |
| notmyname | _Slo: ah, ok then. that's not how that enovance repo works | 22:15 |
| _Slo | also, is ceph's FastCGI similar than to WSGI used with Swift? | 22:15 |
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| notmyname | _Slo: swift abstracts storage volumes from the end user. normally a "storage volume" is a drive. but sometimes, it might be something else. eg glusterFS volumes. or however enovance did it with ceph (point being it's not a disk). | 22:16 |
| notmyname | _Slo: so in that case, you are talking to swift and you can use swift middleware | 22:16 |
| * torgomatic never really understood the point of that thing | 22:16 | |
| notmyname | _Slo: but you also have a lot of added complexity (and probably a _lot_ of overhead) | 22:17 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: me neither | 22:17 |
| notmyname | _Slo: IMO, if you need consistent block storage, consider ceph. if you need available object storage, use swift | 22:17 |
| torgomatic | ceph's whole deal is block+object together, so you only have to run one thing... and then there's this diskfile that combines the limitations of both swift+ceph with the operational complexity of both swift+ceph | 22:17 |
| _Slo | notmyname: yes that's what i am trying to find out now - trying to get the best of both worlds, ceph and swift | 22:18 |
| _Slo | also, we will use both | 22:18 |
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| _Slo | i am just doing some research of best use for swift and radosgw | 22:19 |
| _Slo | right know, i am seeing more pros for Swift, since it has that much features added also for enterprise environment | 22:19 |
| notmyname | _Slo: I think it's best to use each where they are good. ceph is a popular option for distributed block storage. swift is really good at available object storage, especially when you need a lot of scale and need to span wide geographic areas | 22:20 |
| notmyname | I don't think it's a good plan to try to make one system solve every problem | 22:20 |
| _Slo | I completely agree | 22:21 |
| mahatic | ctennis, step 13 is working fine. Can you point me to a guide if there is any on the testing? | 22:24 |
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| _Slo | notmyname: maybe question for you. Looking at this presentation (http://lpabon.github.io/openstack-summit-2014/#/23) - is there also on horizon for NFS to be part of storage backend-policy for Swift? | 22:29 |
| notmyname | _Slo: no, I don't expect there to be support for an NFS diskfile in swift's codebase. (maybe that will change if there are a lot of people that start using one.) I do expect there to be one available | 22:30 |
| notmyname | _Slo: in fact, the swiftonfile project is kinda just that | 22:31 |
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| notmyname | _Slo: https://github.com/swiftonfile/swiftonfile | 22:31 |
| notmyname | _Slo: and tdasilva is the person to talk to about it (but he's not here now) | 22:31 |
| _Slo | ok. so swift-on-file supports different posix complient systems , not just glusterfs | 22:31 |
| _Slo | ok thank you | 22:32 |
| notmyname | _Slo: right. exactly | 22:32 |
| notmyname | _Slo: I imagine swift on file as a really interesting thing to consider as a migration tool away from existing posix storage. but I don't think it's there yet (AFAIK) | 22:33 |
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| zaitcev | I think that the thing that _Slo pointed out first does not use RGW. Worse, its data layout in RADOS differs from the one RGW uses, so they are not compatible. If you store your data through Swift API in RGW, you cannot fetch it back with Babu's back-end and vice versa. | 22:34 |
| _Slo | notmyname: what about exposing object storage system with FUSE, do you see this as better solution? | 22:35 |
| notmyname | _Slo: what's your end goal? ie why are you trying to layer all these things? | 22:36 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: hey, your boss just resigned | 22:36 |
| _Slo | let's say for a reasons of some legacy aps that talks just NFS/CIFS | 22:36 |
| notmyname | well, maybe boss's boss's boss | 22:36 |
| notmyname | _Slo: ah, yes | 22:36 |
| _Slo | just trying to understand options here :) | 22:36 |
| notmyname | _Slo: disclaimer, my employer has a CIFS/NFS gateway for Swift | 22:37 |
| notmyname | _Slo: so yes, there are options. and a FUSE interface is one possibility. it does have performance limitations, though | 22:38 |
| _Slo | yes i am aware of that yes :) but would also try to understand technology | 22:38 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: It's a loss, he's a good guy. But life happens. | 22:38 |
| zaitcev | I think if technology needs are unclear, then.. Hmm... | 22:39 |
| notmyname | _Slo: :-) just trying to disclose biases | 22:39 |
| zaitcev | Okay. Without knowing A THING about Slo's problem... I would explore just setting up a native Swift and see if I can shuffle the data at app level between Swift and CIFS/NFS filers. | 22:40 |
| _Slo | zaitcev: isn't the RADOS layer common for all types of CEPH storage (RBD, RadosGW, CephFS)? | 22:40 |
| zaitcev | That way you have complete flexibility selecting the POSIX compatible pool providers. Buy Netapps, roll your own, whatever. | 22:40 |
| zaitcev | ZFS even :-) | 22:41 |
| zaitcev | _Slo: RADOS is common, yes. However, it's addressed with a hash, just like Swift's objects. Therefore, they provide 3 namespaces that make those hashes meaningful, which you listed. | 22:42 |
| zaitcev | RBD is addressed by a volume:number tuple | 22:44 |
| zaitcev | Ceph FS is POSIX namespace | 22:45 |
| zaitcev | and RadosGW is two-headed: it provides Swift and S3 | 22:45 |
| zaitcev | So, HTTP basically | 22:45 |
| _Slo | yap | 22:45 |
| _Slo | Thank you for all the comments. Any one come to Paris Open Staack Summit for some more questions? :) | 22:47 |
| notmyname | I'll be there | 22:47 |
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| zaitcev | I am going to skip Paris. Ceph folks will be there though. | 22:49 |
| _Slo | ok. bye. it's late in Slovenia ;) | 22:50 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: https://twitter.com/sdague/status/504765743397748736 | 23:07 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: if you're happy with your script, let's move it forward. | 23:09 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: sure, All I need to do is switch it to send emails to the authors email addresses, and up the time frame to 14 days, and in two weeks the report will start being populated. | 23:11 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: the abandon step is manual, right? | 23:12 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: did we want to change the from email to yours? or some variant? or I could create a donotreply@oliver.net.au account. | 23:12 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: yup at this point, but I can authenticate to gerrit as a user so could auto abandon too. | 23:13 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: are the ones listed on the html output the ones that have been notified or the ones that are merely suspected to be abandoned? | 23:13 |
| mattoliverau | but at this stage it will generate a list of changes that match the criteria and have been warned | 23:13 |
| notmyname | ah | 23:13 |
| notmyname | "and have been warned" | 23:13 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: yup, so the test version is using a 1 day after warning, I'll bump that up to 14 | 23:14 |
| notmyname | got it | 23:14 |
| mattoliverau | if someone goes in an makes a comment on a change it will be removed from the list | 23:14 |
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| notmyname | ok | 23:15 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: what would happen if you left it one day for one day and then changed it to 14 days. would that properly seed it? | 23:15 |
| mattoliverau | next time the script is run it will re query the database and generate a new list | 23:16 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: I'll have to nuke the test database as all the notifications on all items in the list have been sent to me rather then the original authors of the change | 23:17 |
| notmyname | ok. I just didn't want to wait for two weeks to find those that are abandoned. does it work by tracking all patches it's seen or by asking gerrit to give you only untouched patches? | 23:17 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: it uses the same query the dash board uses, then if they haven't been notified sends them one.. once they aren't found anymore a deleted flag is applied (for future statisical analysus). A SQL query is run based on the date of notification and if the patch still exists and generates the html page. | 23:20 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: ah, perfect | 23:20 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: therefore, if you set it to 14 days, you'll get the two-week old stuff tomorrow. right? you won't have to wait 2 weeks before getting old patches | 23:21 |
| mattoliverau | chose html cause I should go and load that into swift ;) | 23:21 |
| notmyname | :-) | 23:21 |
| notmyname | and serve it with staticweb, of course | 23:21 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: there are 2 locations I set the date, in the gerrit query (which is not updated for 4 weeks) and the amount of time since a notification has been sent (1 day currently). If I change the latter to 14 days, so long as the notifications were sent >= 14 days ago they will be in the list... but the notifications sent are fake seeing as they are legit abandoned changes, but the notifications were sent to me. | 23:23 |
| mattoliverau | If I nuke the notifications table, then the script will reemail everyone.. but the timer will start again. | 23:24 |
| notmyname | that sounds like the right thing, if i understand correctly | 23:25 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: yeah, so the current changes wont appear in the list for 2 weeks (14 days) | 23:26 |
| notmyname | that's fine. because the list is of people who have been notified. so basically, the patches in the list can be abandoned | 23:27 |
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| mattoliverau | notmyname: which email address should be use? NOTING that my abandoner server isn't apart of any domain's spf list.. yet, so some destinations may not accept mail from it, but at this point I think it's best effort, and it can always be added to an SPF record in the future. | 23:35 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: PM me a ssh public key and I'll give you access to the server. (its just a rackspace cloud server). | 23:36 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: ya. honestly I'm not too comfortable giving someone else the ability to send email as me. so either some dummy email address from your domain. maybe add me to the cc | 23:36 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: yeah, I was thinking the same thing :) | 23:37 |
| mattoliverau | I'll create a donotreply at my domain :) | 23:37 |
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| torgomatic | surely there's some hosted thing out there providing /dev/null as a service that you could use ;) | 23:37 |
| notmyname | mailinator? ;-) | 23:38 |
| mattoliverau | oh yeah mailinator | 23:38 |
| torgomatic | I can provide /dev/null as a service for only $5/month; data is submitted over UDP only | 23:40 |
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| mattoliverau | I used to work on an opensource digital preservation system for the Australian Government, it was awesome, but we found out at some stage the person who first setup the sourceforge account years earlier used a mailnator account... dangerous and took us a while to figure out which email address password resets were being sent too :P | 23:40 |
| mattoliverau | which ended up being the internet | 23:41 |
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| mattoliverau | the advantage of using my domain is I can add it to the SPF record and have a better guarantee the notification emails will reach their target. | 23:43 |
| mattoliverau | although if mailinator had a stmp server I could use, then that's fine too.. | 23:44 |
| notmyname | heh | 23:46 |
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