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| thomaschaaf | I am currently getting a lot of "unauthorized" requests. I am using the tempauth. If I request an authentication token from proxy-server1 is it also good on proxy-server2? Both have a memcache server running on them and in the proxy configutation both are listed. Could this be the cause? | 14:51 |
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| hugokuo | thomaschaaf: The token suppose to be ok on both proxy severs. | 15:43 |
| hugokuo | thomaschaaf: you can try to retrieve token for times. Does proxy return same token for you ? | 15:44 |
| thomaschaaf | let me check | 15:44 |
| thomaschaaf | yea I get the same key on both. | 15:46 |
| thomaschaaf | I found out how to break it :) | 15:49 |
| thomaschaaf | so if I have the 2 memcache servers and one restarts for some reason the tokens are out of sync for my user | 15:49 |
| thomaschaaf | It seems that tempauth breaks in a way which is not good -.- | 15:54 |
| thomaschaaf | maybe its that I am using 1.10 | 15:56 |
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| thomaschaaf | I am trying to understand the code to be able to debug. Where in the code is x-storage-token or x-auth-token ever checked? (using tempauth) I cant find a place where the token is actually checked against the database. | 16:48 |
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| gholt | thomaschaaf: tempauth is a small example auth implementation not really meant for production use. Though I'd guess some would argue it is for production use, but I named it "temp" for a reason when I wrote it. ;) Either way, the tokens are validated against the tokens in memcache so yeah, if you restart a memcache node you'll lose whichever tokens were on that server and those users will need to reauthenticate to establish new t | 18:01 |
| gholt | okens. | 18:01 |
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| thomaschaaf | THank you gholt. Sadly I am experiencing a situation where even a reauthentication is giving me a bad token back. I am still trying to debug this though :( | 18:04 |
| gholt | That's also how some other auth systems work, though I wouldn't doubt many keep a persistent backed store for their tokens as well as caching them for speed. | 18:04 |
| gholt | Gotcha, a bad token returned is not fun to debug. :/ | 18:04 |
| thomaschaaf | I am not quiet sure what advantages there are from giving back tokens for a password. | 18:05 |
| thomaschaaf | The swift for us is an internal data store where we only have one user per environment (dev/stage/live) and I am thinking of naively implementing a simpler authentication for this usecase. | 18:06 |
| gholt | Well, the general design was that the auth system that gives back the token is/could-be completely separate from swift and that you might not want to share the password with every service the auth system could let you use. | 18:07 |
| thomaschaaf | I would understand that if they persisted like an oauth token. But as I understand it is rather proof of concept for this functionality? | 18:08 |
| gholt | Yeah, tempauth was originally written just to have a test harness for swift to ensure it worked with the general design. It has since grown... | 18:08 |
| gholt | Developers didn't want to have to install and configure all of Keystone just to work on Swift. | 18:09 |
| thomaschaaf | I'd love to write a really simple auth. With do you think that would be of interesst to others? | 18:09 |
| thomaschaaf | I am thinking of stripping all the memcache stuff and keep it in a file so that I can deploy it via puppet/chef. With non changing keys. | 18:11 |
| gholt | Quite likely. However, I'd caution that anything to do with security seldom ends up really simple. :) | 18:11 |
| gholt | The other you might go up against is existing tooling that expects the general design to be in use. But you might be able to fake all that out by giving the password/api-key back as the token when that first step is accomplished. | 18:13 |
| thomaschaaf | ah that seems like a nice idea | 18:13 |
| gholt | It would also be a bit humorous -- to me at least. :) "Hey, I need a token these credentials..." "Sure, here's your credentials you gave me." | 18:14 |
| gholt | Memcache is also often used for speed, but I'm sure you could cache a small user database in memory yourself sourced from a static file on each proxy. Heheh | 18:15 |
| gholt | Where you start to creep into non-simple (but still simple so far) is folks would probably want that static file to reload the in-memory database when the mtime changes or something similar. | 18:16 |
| thomaschaaf | mtime being the time it expires? | 18:17 |
| thomaschaaf | I'd really rather just not have anything expire. If I need to change passwords I'll have to rollout an update & restart the proxys. (still thinking a bit smaller) | 18:17 |
| gholt | Oh, I meant the mtime of the file. In other words, to add a user you add them to the static file and push that out the all the proxies and they notice and reload their in-memory databases. | 18:17 |
| thomaschaaf | I have only done this with watchdog | 18:18 |
| thomaschaaf | would you periodically poll the file? | 18:19 |
| gholt | But yeah, if it's just for your use and you don't mind a restart/reload of all your proxies on user database changes you can just skip all that. | 18:19 |
| thomaschaaf | Or is there a native solution with less overhead than watchdog? | 18:19 |
| gholt | Well, there's a similar concept in swift/common/container_sync_realms.py that auto-reloads the container sync realm data when its config file changes. Main plus is not having to restart/reload all your proxies for what is considered a simple change. | 18:21 |
| gholt | And remember that a restart of a proxy will sever all ongoing connections, mid upload/download even. A reload will let the old connections gracefully finish. | 18:22 |
| thomaschaaf | I'll try and get it so that one user can have two passwords so that if I want to change the password from a to b I can have both active while I deploy the software which uses swift. | 18:24 |
| thomaschaaf | sorry for mistreating your code :D | 18:24 |
| gholt | Haha, no problem. It started as my code for that specific purpose and has long since grown beyond my control. Always happens it seems. :) | 18:25 |
| gholt | Worse yet, before Keystone I'd written Swauth and folks still use that so I try to keep it in working condition. Auth is such fun I don't recommend it to anyone. ;) | 18:27 |
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| gholt | Well, that reads weird, I did *not* write Keystone. I think a committee was involved with that one. Hehe | 18:28 |
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| thomaschaaf | gholt: do you think I should fork swift or create a new repository just for the auth? | 19:01 |
| gholt | thomaschaaf: Usually a separate project is best for things like that. If you want to allow others to use it, they'd just install your package and configure your middleware in their existing Swift set up. | 19:08 |
| thomaschaaf | I am not familiar with the python way of doing this should I just simlink to usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/swift/common/middleware | 19:09 |
| thomaschaaf | or do you know a plugin with a good installation guide? Writing the file is no problem but I hate just having one file in my repo without a nice guide how to install | 19:10 |
| gholt | Hmm. let me see if I can find a simple example out there. | 19:10 |
| gholt | Oh, https://github.com/gholt/mempeek is pretty darn simple. | 19:11 |
| gholt | It has no OS packaging though, that gets "advanced" kinda quick. For mempeek, you'd just clone a copy of the repository, run "python setup.py install" and then add the middleware to your pipeline in the proxy-server.conf | 19:12 |
| gholt | https://github.com/dpgoetz/sos is a more full example of middleware (It's CDN integration middleware) that has packaging for Debian-based systems. | 19:13 |
| gholt | The key starting point though is the entry point in setup.py such as https://github.com/gholt/mempeek/blob/master/setup.py#L13 | 19:15 |
| gholt | Swift uses paste.deploy configs to set up middleware and that line defines the paste.deploy entry point that can be used. | 19:16 |
| gholt | You can then put mempeek in your proxy-server.conf pipeline and add a section to that file something like: | 19:17 |
| gholt | [filter:mempeek] | 19:17 |
| gholt | use = egg:mempeek:mempeek | 19:17 |
| gholt | ... | 19:17 |
| gholt | Err, sorry: use = egg:mempeek#mempeek | 19:17 |
| thomaschaaf | okay I will try this :) thank you for your help! | 19:17 |
| gholt | Yeah, you've got a bit of a learning curve, but hey, a goal is the best way learn right? | 19:18 |
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| thomaschaaf | gholt: I just looked into the code further and as far as i understand https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/swift/common/middleware/tempauth.py#L274 this would not require me to create a token | 20:19 |
| gholt | thomaschaaf: Ah, that well could be. It has been a while since I looked at the Authorization header part of the code. That was for S3 integration as I recall, but it may have morphed since then. | 20:30 |
| thomaschaaf | I am trying to get it to work that way. Then I don't need to look after another piece of code :) | 20:31 |
| gholt | It sure looks like that part of the code is still using token though... the base64 line | 20:32 |
| gholt | To be perfectly honest, I don't remember how the S3 and HTTP_AUHTORIZATION stuff in there works. I probably copied that code from the previous incarnation of tempauth after some guys had added an S3 compatibility layer. | 20:35 |
| gholt | What I do know about S3's auth is that you have to sign each request independently, so it's even more user-active than just getting a single token for 24hr use. | 20:36 |
| gholt | But this might be faking things in some other way that is less user burdensome, I just don't remember. :/ | 20:37 |
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| h6w | Morning all! | 23:42 |
| h6w | Is there a ca_file option in /etc/swift/proxy-server.conf or perhaps a ca_bundle? | 23:43 |
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