| zaro | hey, yo! lets get this party started. | 00:14 |
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| anteaya | zaro: ha ha ha | 00:47 |
| anteaya | I'm happy to wait until tomorrow, just booked off 24 hours since I didn't know how many folks from apac or eu wanted to participate | 00:47 |
| anteaya | I'm going to go for a walk soon | 00:47 |
| zaro | ok, will have my ugly sweater ready for when peeps start showing up. | 00:55 |
| anteaya | perfect | 00:57 |
| * anteaya is wearing her recently crocheted ugly wrap | 00:57 | |
| anteaya | I can't do sleeves yet, it will have to do in the ugly sweater category | 00:58 |
| anteaya | I'm off for the night | 00:58 |
| anteaya | see you tomorrow | 00:58 |
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| fungi | busy morning... | 16:17 |
| anteaya | indeed | 16:19 |
| * anteaya offers fungi a glass of egg nog | 16:20 | |
| anteaya | anyone else for egg nog? | 16:20 |
| fungi | i'm still on my vaguely eggnog colored cold coffee | 16:23 |
| anteaya | for after then | 16:24 |
| anteaya | ping me when anyone is ready to get started | 16:51 |
| anteaya | asselin pleia2 zaro fungi let me know when you have time free, I think that is what we should base it on at this point | 16:52 |
| anteaya | who has a window of time | 16:52 |
| fungi | i'm beginning to get caught up on urgent requests, so possibly close to being available | 16:52 |
| anteaya | cool | 16:53 |
| anteaya | fungi: anything specifc you want to share or do you have any ideas? | 16:53 |
| fungi | i guess i could troll through my list of bizarre recipes | 16:53 |
| fungi | recently perfected a pretty decent vegan implementation of "sausage balls" | 16:54 |
| fungi | my wife's dietary restrictions have furthered my descent into kitchen chemistry | 16:55 |
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| anteaya | ohhhh | 16:55 |
| anteaya | I'd be interested in the vegan implementation of sausage balls | 16:56 |
| anteaya | I found a way to make spelt bread that rises, I use vitamin C to get the yeast over active | 16:56 |
| anteaya | have a recipe that makes one loaf | 16:56 |
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| clarkb | ohai | 17:00 |
| fungi | cool. i actually do a lot of sourdough with sprouted, stone-ground einkorn | 17:00 |
| fungi | also gotten pretty good at making 100% whole wheat bagels | 17:01 |
| clarkb | ooh bagels sound good but I don't currently have any | 17:02 |
| anteaya | fungi: ooh | 17:04 |
| anteaya | I don't know einkorn | 17:04 |
| fungi | ancient wheat ancestor | 17:04 |
| anteaya | is it along the lines of spelt and kamut? | 17:04 |
| fungi | the recipe i'm using for einkorn sourdough would actually make a very, very stiff wheat dough because einkorn hydration is pretty different | 17:04 |
| fungi | sort of similar, yeah. i mean, they're all grass seeds after all | 17:05 |
| * anteaya notes we are practicing conversation rather than just going and looking things up | 17:05 | |
| clarkb | fungi: we are starting to be able to get local barley, hops and yeast for all our brewing. Though selection is still small | 17:05 |
| clarkb | I also found traditional floor malted pilsen malt | 17:06 |
| clarkb | (I am stil trying to catch up on email) | 17:08 |
| fungi | do you recycle your lees for the yeast? | 17:08 |
| fungi | no idea if that's as doable for home brewers as commercial breweries | 17:09 |
| clarkb | some people do the whole generational propagation thing but I don't brew enough of the same type of beer to make it worth the effort | 17:09 |
| anteaya | my friend who owns the local health food store has never heard of einkorn before | 17:09 |
| clarkb | fungi: for commercial breweries it is easier because they know well in advance what and how much of a beer they will be brewing so the yeast can be grown properly ahead of time | 17:13 |
| clarkb | for me its more a matter of "a stout sounds good" then finding a good english ale yeast | 17:13 |
| fungi | ahh, didn't know if you could just freeze a large enough sample and catalogue them for later | 17:14 |
| fungi | works for sourdoughs anyway | 17:14 |
| anteaya | what is lees? | 17:14 |
| fungi | as long as you don't freeze at too low of a temperature, you can keep a starter frozen a year or more | 17:14 |
| anteaya | is/are | 17:14 |
| fungi | anteaya: the leftover yeast bodies that sink to the bottom of teh vat | 17:14 |
| fungi | basically | 17:15 |
| anteaya | to grow more later? | 17:15 |
| fungi | there's generally enough of a live culture remaining dormant in them to restart when exposed to a new food supply | 17:15 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya but then you need freezer space and storage medium and a proper starter before brewing. Definitely doable and many people do it I just havne't | 17:15 |
| anteaya | cool | 17:15 |
| anteaya | thanks | 17:15 |
| fungi | clarkb: figured | 17:15 |
| clarkb | though there have been several successful yeast startups by people that took that hobby commercial recently | 17:16 |
| clarkb | one in the bay area and one in portland that I know of off the top of my head | 17:16 |
| clarkb | http://www.theyeastbay.com/ and http://www.imperialyeast.com/ | 17:16 |
| clarkb | imperial is all organic too | 17:16 |
| anteaya | could you use the same yeasts for bread? | 17:18 |
| clarkb | anteaya: you can, but they act slower so you have to accomodate for a longer rising period | 17:18 |
| clarkb | or is it "proving"? | 17:18 |
| anteaya | often have two sessions of letting yeast do it's thing | 17:21 |
| anteaya | sometimes called first and second rise | 17:22 |
| anteaya | or rising and proofing | 17:22 |
| jesusaurus | clarkb: i think its actually called 'proofing' | 17:22 |
| clarkb | anteaya: upposedly it can make bread that tastes like beer too | 17:22 |
| clarkb | jesusaurus: aha | 17:22 |
| anteaya | the first takes place as a mass so all the dough together | 17:22 |
| anteaya | then punch it down and make loaves and let the loaves rise | 17:22 |
| anteaya | the let the loaves rise is called proofing in my baking workflow | 17:22 |
| anteaya | bread that tastes like beer without the beer would be interesting | 17:23 |
| anteaya | I have a cold room that is currently sitting at about 8C with lots of space in it | 17:23 |
| anteaya | I should perhaps start a slow rising dough and sit it in there | 17:23 |
| jesusaurus | anteaya: like a malted bread? | 17:24 |
| anteaya | I've done dough in the fridge before over night, that was interesting | 17:24 |
| anteaya | jesusaurus: I don't know malted bread | 17:24 |
| anteaya | jesusaurus: what is the workflow to make that? | 17:24 |
| jesusaurus | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malt_loaf | 17:24 |
| jesusaurus | ive never made one, maybe i should try | 17:24 |
| anteaya | jesusaurus: we are practicsing talking to each other today | 17:25 |
| anteaya | not just looking stuff up | 17:25 |
| anteaya | y'know the ancient art of conversation and all that | 17:25 |
| jesusaurus | i had a dessert bread once that tasted like a rye with malted milk mixed in, it was tasty and somewhat beer like | 17:28 |
| jesusaurus | probably similar to a malt loaf, but i wasnt sure what it was called | 17:28 |
| zaro | as usual, fashionably late to the party | 17:28 |
| * zaro is following the unorganic crazy | 17:29 | |
| anteaya | zaro: I _love_ that sweater you are wearing | 17:29 |
| anteaya | zaro: whereever did you get it? | 17:29 |
| anteaya | jesusaurus: that sounds awesome | 17:30 |
| anteaya | jesusaurus: where did you have that? | 17:30 |
| anteaya | I don't think I have ever heard of dessert bread before | 17:30 |
| zaro | no, don't have it on now, thought it might be crass since i'm in the office and no party here :( | 17:30 |
| jesusaurus | it was at a friend's solstice party almost a decade ago | 17:31 |
| zaro | anybody a skier in here? | 17:31 |
| zaro | downhill | 17:32 |
| anteaya | zaro: oh okay, good call | 17:32 |
| pleia2 | morning | 17:32 |
| anteaya | zaro: I have in the past, used to downhill ski all through high school | 17:32 |
| anteaya | morning pleia2 | 17:32 |
| anteaya | jesusaurus: sounds wonderful | 17:32 |
| zaro | anteaya: no longer | 17:32 |
| zaro | ? | 17:32 |
| anteaya | zaro: haven't had the time, don't have a car, not in shape | 17:33 |
| anteaya | zaro: but you and I walked straight up the rock in georgia no problem so perhaps I should give my body more credit | 17:33 |
| anteaya | I like solstice parties, you learn the most interesting things | 17:34 |
| anteaya | so shall we just continue with random chat or do folks want to work in pairs? | 17:34 |
| anteaya | anyone with an opinion? | 17:34 |
| jesusaurus | i'm liking the random chat | 17:34 |
| pleia2 | I did cross country skiing growing up, but never downhill | 17:35 |
| pleia2 | snowshoeing too! | 17:35 |
| clarkb | I have done fall down bunny hill with snowboard | 17:35 |
| zaro | is that fun? | 17:35 |
| jesusaurus | ive always wanted to try snowshoeing | 17:35 |
| pleia2 | both are pretty fun, it's really the only way to get around the countryside to see pretty things in the winter in Maine | 17:35 |
| pleia2 | more tiring than you might imagine though | 17:35 |
| clarkb | jesusaurus: I actually ended up going down the run a step above the bunny hill by the end of the day | 17:36 |
| zaro | clarkb: i'm going to try that this year. with the kids | 17:36 |
| jesusaurus | clarkb: cool | 17:36 |
| clarkb | the hardest part is delifting | 17:36 |
| anteaya | pleia2: agreed snoeshoeing is tiring | 17:36 |
| zaro | clarkb: what's so hard with that? | 17:37 |
| jesusaurus | the last time i went snowboarding, i was 16. i hit a patch of ice, then my head hit the ice, then i blacked out | 17:37 |
| jesusaurus | wearing a helmet is important | 17:37 |
| anteaya | :( | 17:37 |
| anteaya | helmets are good | 17:37 |
| clarkb | zaro: with a snowboard you typically only have one foot buckled in so you have to carry your momentum off the minihill without falling over and creating a blockade | 17:37 |
| clarkb | zaro: as a newb its just hard to do when not strapped in | 17:37 |
| zaro | jesusaurus: reminds me to buy helmet for kids | 17:38 |
| anteaya | clarkb: ah yes, getting off the life | 17:38 |
| anteaya | lift | 17:38 |
| anteaya | I remember many a pileup | 17:38 |
| anteaya | I thought you were saying the lifting and was wondering what you were lifting | 17:39 |
| anteaya | used to ski every weekend through high school | 17:39 |
| zaro | one of my kids broke her arm last weekend. in a big cast now and is distruptive to our skiing plans | 17:40 |
| anteaya | all my friends would go so we would just carpool up in large bunches | 17:40 |
| anteaya | :( | 17:40 |
| anteaya | zaro: is she healing well? | 17:40 |
| zaro | yeah, 4-6 weeks to heal, but may consider putting on the slopes anyways | 17:40 |
| anteaya | heh, dad decisions | 17:41 |
| clarkb | zaro: its looking like a good snow year so far, hopefully will last late | 17:41 |
| anteaya | your fine! | 17:41 |
| zaro | funny thing is i google whether that's ok and surprisingly many other people in the same situation. | 17:41 |
| anteaya | group stupidity doesn't make it any less of a bad decision | 17:41 |
| pleia2 | haha | 17:41 |
| anteaya | I don't know your daughter or the break | 17:41 |
| zaro | haha! | 17:42 |
| anteaya | but really 6 weeks isn't long | 17:42 |
| clarkb | I think they usually say something like 6 weeks in a cast and 6 weeks out of the cast | 17:42 |
| zaro | she's tough | 17:42 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 17:42 |
| anteaya | my dad used to tell me the same thing | 17:42 |
| clarkb | zaro: did she break it skiing? | 17:42 |
| anteaya | you're fine, your tough | 17:42 |
| * anteaya keeps missing the apostrophe | 17:43 | |
| zaro | no falling off monkey bars during recess | 17:43 |
| zaro | anteaya: you are tough, can't get anything by you around here | 17:44 |
| jesusaurus | ugh, i sprained my arm that way when i was little | 17:44 |
| anteaya | I am tough, I had to live with my father's poor decisions about my well being | 17:44 |
| anteaya | but it is a holiday party | 17:44 |
| * anteaya changes the topic | 17:44 | |
| pleia2 | it's somewhat miraculous that I never hurt myself seriously on the monkey bars | 17:44 |
| pleia2 | good times though :) | 17:44 |
| anteaya | I liked monkey bars | 17:45 |
| anteaya | and swings | 17:45 |
| zaro | she walked to the nurses office on her own afterwards to get wrapped up. | 17:45 |
| anteaya | when I was in montreal in the summer there was an art installation called 21 balencor | 17:45 |
| anteaya | zaro: I believe that | 17:45 |
| zaro | that's what i heard anyways, wasn't there though. | 17:46 |
| anteaya | there were 21 public swings with lights in the bottom of the seats so when you swung it looked pretty | 17:46 |
| zaro | anyways clarkb how bout them hawks! | 17:46 |
| anteaya | and the swings made musical notes depending on how high you swung | 17:46 |
| anteaya | it was a group art experience, it was really nice | 17:46 |
| anteaya | zaro: ha ha ha | 17:46 |
| jesusaurus | anteaya: that sounds fun | 17:46 |
| clarkb | zaro: everything but the running back situation seems to be going well | 17:46 |
| anteaya | jesusaurus: it was | 17:47 |
| clarkb | zaro: sad for rawls since he was playing so well (best running back in the league by some measures) | 17:47 |
| pleia2 | ooh, that reminds me, I'm going to a 49ers game on Sunday | 17:47 |
| anteaya | you had to line up and when a swing became free you got it | 17:47 |
| pleia2 | I know nothing about football \o/ | 17:47 |
| fungi | yeah, i used to use malt (diastatic malt specifically) to help the rise in my whole wheat loaves, before i started doing primarily sourdoughs with very long development times | 17:47 |
| anteaya | I swung for about an hour, been so long | 17:47 |
| anteaya | pleia2: have fun | 17:47 |
| pleia2 | have a friend in town who wanted to go, I'm tagging along, going to an NFL game seems like a life experience I should have | 17:47 |
| jesusaurus | clarkb: zaro: are they doing well this year at hand-egg (its not a ball and they don't use their feet much) | 17:47 |
| jesusaurus | ? | 17:47 |
| anteaya | pleia2: yes, you should have at least one of those experiences | 17:48 |
| clarkb | jesusaurus: they started slow and looked bad but should just make the playoffs on a winning streak this year | 17:48 |
| zaro | tbh, i thought they were dead in the water after first few weeks | 17:48 |
| anteaya | fungi: how long do you let your sourdoughs develop and what temperature? | 17:48 |
| clarkb | pleia2: the 49ers are having a down year this year | 17:48 |
| clarkb | pleia2: ownership fired their coach (who had three successful years to probably politics) and a bunch of players retired | 17:49 |
| zaro | pleia2: i'm a big fan but only been to 1 live game. | 17:49 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: ah, yeah, I heard they weren't doing well | 17:49 |
| zaro | pleia2: i prefer the TV | 17:49 |
| clarkb | which is sad because it was 49ers vs seahawks for several years for the division | 17:49 |
| pleia2 | and the superbowl is here this year | 17:49 |
| clarkb | zaro: ya but they have a shiny new stadium in south bay and it is probably warm there | 17:49 |
| pleia2 | that's going to be something | 17:49 |
| zaro | clarkb: not as toasty as my house | 17:50 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 17:50 |
| clarkb | ha | 17:50 |
| zaro | or my buddy's house | 17:50 |
| clarkb | 57F looks like | 17:50 |
| clarkb | so not that warm | 17:50 |
| pleia2 | yeah, it's been cool | 17:50 |
| anteaya | pleia2: my understanding of football is that it is based on how the europeans used to fight when they first got guns | 17:51 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: I'm going to go with that | 17:51 |
| anteaya | pleia2: everyone would agree to meet on the same field at the right time | 17:51 |
| zaro | not sure what kinda fan i am but i prefer relaxed atmosphere while watching. | 17:51 |
| anteaya | pleia2: then they would decide who shoots first, like a duel with teams | 17:51 |
| anteaya | pleia2: everyone lined up, the front row kneeling, then one side shot, then the other | 17:52 |
| anteaya | pleia2: then everyone still able to reload did so and they did it again | 17:52 |
| fungi | anteaya: my current recipe for whole einkorn sourdough takes place over several days. i feed the starter and leave it at room temperature overnight, then add more flour and water to make a sponge and leave it out for another 4 hours, then let the sponge develop in a refrigerator for roughly a day, then i add more flour and put it right back in the fridge for another day, then i bring it out to room | 17:52 |
| fungi | temperature for 2 hours, add sea salt, knead it, transfer to a pullman pan and let it rise at ~100f/38c for 4-6 hours until it hits the lid, then bake it | 17:52 |
| zaro | yeah, i think they flip a coin to do that now | 17:52 |
| anteaya | the generals stood off to the side, and when one side lost enough people the generals agreed who was the winner and everyone went home | 17:52 |
| zaro | fungi: Wow! you have tons of patience | 17:52 |
| anteaya | pleia2: that is my understanding of football | 17:53 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: wfm | 17:53 |
| fungi | long development times at colder temperatures allow the bacterial cultures to proliferate, break down more of the proteins and bran, and increase the lactic and acetic acid content of the dough | 17:53 |
| anteaya | fungi: sounds tasty | 17:54 |
| anteaya | what is a pullman pan? | 17:54 |
| fungi | zaro: once you get used to the timing, it's really pretty minimal effort. i use lidded bowls that fit a semi-commercial stand mixer model and use it to mix/knead | 17:54 |
| fungi | and i make it roughly weekly | 17:55 |
| fungi | so it's just added to the usual list of weekly tasks on certain days | 17:55 |
| fungi | much like my week's coffee brewing | 17:55 |
| fungi | which i need to start today | 17:55 |
| * fungi cold-brews coffee in one-week batches over a 24-hour period | 17:56 | |
| anteaya | tell us about that | 17:56 |
| anteaya | that sounds interesting | 17:56 |
| pleia2 | mm cold brew | 17:56 |
| fungi | good quality coffee beans (i like http://www.deathwishcoffee.com/ ) in a good burr grinder on the coarsest setting | 17:57 |
| fungi | i use a couple of 40floz/1.2l french presses and put 75g of grounds in the bottom of each | 17:59 |
| zaro | pleia2: you ever tried to teach kids linux? | 17:59 |
| zaro | with your community linux work with the schools | 17:59 |
| anteaya | fungi: how long do you leave it before you start to consume? | 18:00 |
| fungi | then top off with filtered water in each, stir (with a chop stick) a few times over a several hour period until the foam from co2 release dies down, then leave lidded overnight | 18:00 |
| fungi | on the counter | 18:00 |
| fungi | then i press the next morning and transfer to a lidded pitcher to refrigerate for the week | 18:00 |
| anteaya | zaro: she took computers to africa a few years ago | 18:01 |
| zaro | fungi: so it takes 24hrs to brew? | 18:01 |
| fungi | roughly | 18:01 |
| fungi | i get about 2.1l of cold coffee concentrate out of it, and drink about 300ml a day so it lasts me a week | 18:01 |
| anteaya | does it get bitter at all, like hot brewed coffee? | 18:01 |
| fungi | i usually cut 300ml of the coffee concentrate with 240ml of unsweetened hemp milk rather than using water or ice | 18:02 |
| zaro | how long does it take to go bad if you don't finish it? | 18:02 |
| fungi | it's not as bitter as hot brew to me, no | 18:02 |
| fungi | zaro: no idea since i've never been at risk of letting that happen ;) | 18:02 |
| anteaya | oh so when I offered you egg nog this morning and you said you still were working on your cold coffee | 18:03 |
| pleia2 | zaro: not in the US, there are laws and regulations as far as who can interact with kids in publicly funded schools, at least here in California | 18:03 |
| fungi | but anyway, the amount of effort involved is about as much as brewing coffee once or twice (cleanup included) but lasts me a week | 18:03 |
| anteaya | the temperature of the coffee was not a reflection of how busy you were since you poured it | 18:04 |
| anteaya | pleia2: wow | 18:04 |
| fungi | right, i'm pretty much always just drinking refrigerator-temperature coffee instead | 18:04 |
| pleia2 | zaro: need to be fingerprinted, background check, etc etc, not that it's a real problem for me, but it's a massive burden that the teachers typically don't want to deal with | 18:04 |
| fungi | like iced coffee | 18:04 |
| anteaya | fungi: okay | 18:04 |
| * anteaya makes a note | 18:04 | |
| clarkb | pleia2: wouldn't want hackers to corrupt their minds with free software | 18:04 |
| pleia2 | zaro: so we host training classes for the teachers and official teachers aids, and they teach the kids | 18:04 |
| fungi | yeah, giving seminars to college kids is a lot less work, because they're presumably already corrupted anyway | 18:05 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: right :\ | 18:05 |
| pleia2 | fungi: hah, I've given talks at college classes before, no problem | 18:05 |
| pleia2 | even in Ghana we mostly taught the teachers and the local volunteers who were maintaining the installs for the schools | 18:07 |
| clarkb | I figure if I only have linux around in the house and put "weekly software updates" on their chores list (its a meatspace crontab) that things will sort of naturally happen | 18:07 |
| * anteaya refreshes the veggies and dip | 18:07 | |
| zaro | pleia2: that seems nuts, i'm volunteering in my kids school and interact with them. | 18:07 |
| pleia2 | zaro: it's much different if you're a parent | 18:07 |
| anteaya | clarkb: I'm laughing at your daughter's chores list already | 18:07 |
| anteaya | mine was along the lines of make bed, clean the bathroom | 18:08 |
| zaro | clarkb: nothing naturally happens. you need a bad cop around | 18:09 |
| anteaya | zaro: spoken like the good cop | 18:09 |
| pleia2 | my parents didn't know much about computers, so if something broke and I couldn't use the computer, I had to fix it <- how I learned everything | 18:09 |
| anteaya | zaro: you're wife is the bad cop, I take it? | 18:10 |
| zaro | anteaya: yeah, she's better at it than me | 18:10 |
| anteaya | I gathered as such from the way you described the bad cop | 18:11 |
| anteaya | that was not a bad cop self description | 18:11 |
| zaro | pleia2: hmm maybe should just give them one of my broken ones. tell them to fix it otherwise no more computer? | 18:11 |
| pleia2 | zaro: that would be my vote :) | 18:12 |
| anteaya | there was a lightening talk at lca two years ago I think and a man did exactly that | 18:12 |
| anteaya | he gave his daughters, very young daughters, just enough hardware and some instructions to get something happening | 18:13 |
| anteaya | but they had to build it to play the game | 18:13 |
| zaro | hmm, interesting strategy. | 18:13 |
| zaro | i kinda like it :) | 18:14 |
| pleia2 | at the Penn Manor school in Pennsylvania they have the whole computer lab staffed by student, so they learn all about everything having to do with maintaining the computers, Red Hat made a video featuring them over the summer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj3dGK3c4nY | 18:14 |
| pleia2 | the teacher who leads it, Charlie, also did a TEDx talk about it all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8Co37GO2Fc | 18:15 |
| pleia2 | I met him at FOSSCON a couple years ago, and we both were like "I've always wanted to meet you, you're such an inspiration!" it was very funny :) | 18:15 |
| zaro | cool, just ship all your dead computers to me and i'll start a lab. | 18:18 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 18:18 |
| anteaya | pleia2: nice | 18:19 |
| clarkb | I talked to my dad a bit about doing something like that back home | 18:21 |
| zaro | has anbody ever hosted a meetup group? as in meetup.com | 18:21 |
| clarkb | and apparently the local telecom has free internet connectivity written into their budgets for al lthe local public schools | 18:22 |
| clarkb | but the municipalities won't deploy it because then someone would need to make sure the dsl modem was working | 18:22 |
| pleia2 | zaro: I've hosted dozens of local tech events (started in 2003), but just started using meetup.com this month | 18:22 |
| clarkb | pleia2: calagator! | 18:23 |
| clarkb | zaro: ^ | 18:23 |
| clarkb | (its hard when you live in a place that has latched onto meetup but I hate using meetup) | 18:23 |
| zaro | what? is that | 18:23 |
| clarkb | its an open source community hosted event calender system | 18:23 |
| clarkb | but it only seems to have really caught on in portland | 18:23 |
| zaro | is that the meetup name? | 18:23 |
| anteaya | I too hate using meetup | 18:23 |
| clarkb | zaro: no its a replacement for meetup.com | 18:23 |
| pleia2 | we finally gave into meetup.com for ubuntu california because of the network effect of it | 18:24 |
| anteaya | you can't view a meeting unless you are registered and signed in | 18:24 |
| clarkb | anteaya: yup | 18:24 |
| anteaya | so you limit your attendees to sheep | 18:24 |
| anteaya | folks who are tired of being forced to sign up for things like me can't see the meeting details | 18:24 |
| pleia2 | but we still announce all our events in public and put them on loco.ubuntu.com (open source tooling on django for Local Community teams in Ubuntu) | 18:24 |
| anteaya | or rsvp | 18:24 |
| clarkb | http://calagator.org/ | 18:25 |
| clarkb | PLUG is doing a Linux clinic at freegeek on sunday | 18:25 |
| zaro | pleia2: how many ppl joined, rsvp and actually show up? | 18:26 |
| zaro | i'm asking because i volunteered to host a seattle area jenkins one. | 18:27 |
| clarkb | zaro: you might also talk to mark since he does a lot of seattle area meetups | 18:27 |
| clarkb | may have region specific number expectation | 18:28 |
| zaro | ohh, that's good to know. | 18:28 |
| anteaya | mark who? | 18:28 |
| zaro | atwood i think | 18:28 |
| clarkb | yup | 18:28 |
| anteaya | ah yeah | 18:28 |
| pleia2 | zaro: generally speaking you'll get 2/3 of the people to show up | 18:29 |
| anteaya | zaro: biggest thing wtih meetups is pick a day and time that works for you | 18:29 |
| anteaya | zaro: and commit to showing up at that day and time for at least 6 months | 18:29 |
| pleia2 | for a free event (a bit more if it's paid, even a small amount) | 18:29 |
| anteaya | zaro: interest will be slow off the start and then pick up | 18:29 |
| pleia2 | yeah, just have to keep at it | 18:30 |
| anteaya | zaro: if you start changing the time and day before the 6 month makr you just lose your early adopters | 18:30 |
| zaro | so consistency is very important, good to know. | 18:30 |
| pleia2 | I run monthly Ubuntu Hours and Debian Dinners here in SF, usually only 5-8 people, but the quality of attendees is high, I have fun, and I make it all happen on the street I live on (which happens to be next to a major MUNI/BART station) | 18:31 |
| anteaya | very | 18:31 |
| anteaya | yeah make it really easy on yourself | 18:31 |
| pleia2 | been doing these for 5 years now | 18:31 |
| anteaya | awesome | 18:31 |
| zaro | what is ubuntu hour? is that online or actual local meeting? | 18:31 |
| pleia2 | zaro: meet in a coffee shop for an hour and chat about Ubuntu, very casual | 18:32 |
| pleia2 | pictures: https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=64684255%40N00&view_all=1&text=ubuntuhour | 18:33 |
| pleia2 | usually I'll bring books to give away, an Ubuntu tablet for people to play with, whatever goodies I happen to collect in my travels (stickers, pens) | 18:33 |
| zaro | does cononical provide all that paraphanalia? | 18:33 |
| asselin | good morning | 18:33 |
| zaro | asselin: welcome to the party | 18:34 |
| anteaya | morning asselin | 18:34 |
| pleia2 | zaro: the books come from my publisher, goodies are usually picked up at conferences and canonical would have been the original donor somewhere in the chain | 18:34 |
| * anteaya offers asselin a glass of egg nog | 18:34 | |
| asselin | thanks anteaya | 18:35 |
| pleia2 | the stickers, pins and pens at our last Ubuntu Hour are left over from a release party in October, Canonical sent them | 18:35 |
| anteaya | :) | 18:35 |
| zaro | anteaya: hey, where's mine? | 18:35 |
| * asselin already had 2 drinks this morning | 18:35 | |
| * anteaya gives zaro his egg nog | 18:35 | |
| anteaya | sorry to have missed you | 18:35 |
| anteaya | did I miss anyone else, or anyone ready for a top up? | 18:35 |
| zaro | mmm, that was sweet! | 18:35 |
| * pleia2 holds out mug | 18:35 | |
| anteaya | asselin: sounds like the day is off to a good start | 18:35 |
| * anteaya admires pleia2's mug while she fills it | 18:36 | |
| anteaya | zaro: glad you like it | 18:36 |
| zaro | pleia2: and of course you blog about it. | 18:36 |
| zaro | right? | 18:36 |
| anteaya | zaro: o'reilly has book giveaways for meetup hosts | 18:36 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: haha, this one today! https://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/21639122281 | 18:36 |
| pleia2 | zaro: here and there, I definitely tweet about it | 18:36 |
| anteaya | nice! | 18:36 |
| anteaya | zaro: marsee henon | 18:37 |
| zaro | anteaya: ohh, any books or smoethig specific to the meetup? | 18:37 |
| anteaya | you subscribe to an o'reilly email | 18:37 |
| fungi | pleia2: my early computing education was similar. while my dad did grok computers (he built them by subscription back when that was a thing in the hobby computing scene) he wouldn't buy me or my younger brother computer games, just books of game source code (also used to be a thing back then, usually compilations from computing hobbyist magazines) | 18:37 |
| anteaya | I can introduce you to marsee henon if you like, I'm sure pleia2 knows her too | 18:38 |
| anteaya | she works with o'reilly | 18:38 |
| fungi | pleia2: something tells me that sort of computer education won't work on the current generation though | 18:38 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: I know marsee :) but thank you | 18:38 |
| anteaya | and they have a list of books every month, new releases that they offer to meetup organizers to give out in draws and things | 18:38 |
| anteaya | pleia2: thought so | 18:38 |
| anteaya | zaro: they need reviewers for new books | 18:39 |
| anteaya | zaro: and they like you to have an o'reilly banner on your meetup page | 18:39 |
| pleia2 | fungi: I do worry with our computers-in-pockets that the world is a very different place | 18:39 |
| pleia2 | fungi: no computer? whatever, angry birds and all my friends right here in my hand | 18:39 |
| zaro | i cringe everytime i see a little kids with a phone at school | 18:40 |
| fungi | yeah :( | 18:40 |
| anteaya | me too | 18:40 |
| pleia2 | and it's essentially a read-only device | 18:40 |
| pleia2 | not at all like the computers I grew up with | 18:40 |
| zaro | asselin: your kid have a phone yet? | 18:40 |
| anteaya | my nephew tells me that he is aware of a study that children now have fewer social skills than in past generations | 18:40 |
| anteaya | and he is one of the always have phone in hand group | 18:41 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: well, I wouldn't exactly brag about my own social skills, regardless of computers :) | 18:41 |
| fungi | what i _especially_ worry about is that we're raising now a couple of generations that have little interest in how the computers which enable their lives actually work, and when our generation is gone things are just going to fall apart | 18:41 |
| asselin | zaro, they use ours. I got them chromebooks last year | 18:41 |
| anteaya | well at least you know converstation is a thing | 18:41 |
| pleia2 | fungi: agreed | 18:41 |
| clarkb | ok tree is half covered in lights | 18:41 |
| clarkb | now to buy more lights | 18:41 |
| anteaya | fungi: yup | 18:41 |
| fungi | hah | 18:41 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: haha | 18:41 |
| anteaya | clarkb: :) | 18:41 |
| asselin | zaro, my youngest now knows how to operate the roku | 18:41 |
| anteaya | clarkb: at least you know how many more to get | 18:42 |
| anteaya | I had a car with manual wind up windows | 18:42 |
| fungi | "how to tell if you have bought enough lights: put on tree, see if it's covered" | 18:42 |
| zaro | asselin: ohh, i don't even let my kids touch the remote | 18:42 |
| zaro | anteaya: ^ see bad cop | 18:42 |
| anteaya | was driving my neice and nephew somewhere and my niece asked if she could roll down the window | 18:42 |
| asselin | yeah, happened when I wasn't watching | 18:42 |
| anteaya | I thought it was odd for her to ask, but assured her rolling down the window was just fine | 18:42 |
| anteaya | she didn't know how :( | 18:42 |
| fungi | hand-crank window? | 18:43 |
| asselin | anteaya, lol | 18:43 |
| anteaya | I had to teach them how to roll down a window at about 12 years of age | 18:43 |
| anteaya | fungi: yeah | 18:43 |
| pleia2 | fungi: it's also the #1 reason I tell kids to get a degree in compsci even though I don't have one, "you wouldn't have learned the things I did" | 18:43 |
| fungi | yeah, my current car has those | 18:43 |
| anteaya | wouldn't even reach out and try | 18:43 |
| zaro | clarkb: any light on your house? | 18:43 |
| fungi | granted, it's 20 years old now | 18:43 |
| anteaya | fungi: my prefered method by far | 18:43 |
| pleia2 | (always amusing when I'm giving talks at colleges, the "what did you go to college for?" question) | 18:43 |
| anteaya | zaro: nice work there on the remote rules | 18:44 |
| pleia2 | "welll...... you should totally stay in school" | 18:44 |
| clarkb | zaro I am typically thr grinch but we cut a tree down so it is getting decorated | 18:44 |
| fungi | pleia2: yep, however i also have friends who are compsci professors, and the things their university insists they teach and the complete laziness the students are allowed to get away with leads me to believe that won't help much either | 18:44 |
| anteaya | clarkb: ha ha ha | 18:44 |
| zaro | clarkb: fake tree for us. | 18:45 |
| anteaya | clarkb: ever done popcorn strings with fresh cranberries? | 18:45 |
| anteaya | clarkb: get the orville redenbacher popcorn and very little oil, air pop if you can | 18:45 |
| anteaya | so much fun to string | 18:45 |
| zaro | clarkb: and lights outside have not come down for last 5 years | 18:45 |
| pleia2 | fungi: yeah, that's disappointing | 18:45 |
| fungi | any more it appears that universities are disinterested in turning out educated graduates, and more interested in not upsetting people who are paying them | 18:45 |
| clarkb | anteaya no, we used to use a norfolk pine as our tree because it is wjat we had | 18:45 |
| clarkb | zaro haha | 18:46 |
| anteaya | I don't know norfolk pine | 18:46 |
| pleia2 | fungi: I work with really clueful professors (obviously, why else would they invite me to speak? ;)) so I have a skewed view | 18:46 |
| fungi | pleia2: yep, my friends are generally only teaching because they want to fix that problem, but tenure only gets you so far | 18:46 |
| asselin | zaro, my neighbor has a laser light projection onto his house. Easy to install and teardown. And lights up all the house and everything in front of it | 18:46 |
| anteaya | zaro: nice, you are festive all the year long | 18:46 |
| * asselin needs one of those | 18:47 | |
| pleia2 | I don't do a holiday tree anymore (I used to be huge into christmas), but my husband is tolerating lights https://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/23409143096/ | 18:47 |
| anteaya | fungi: very true, education is disappointing these days | 18:47 |
| pleia2 | "you don't put lights up for hanukkah" "sure you do, they're right there!" ;) | 18:47 |
| zaro | asselin: wha? laser light? link please | 18:47 |
| anteaya | pleia2: oh, that's beautiful | 18:48 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: thank you | 18:48 |
| anteaya | isn't hanukkah a festival of light? | 18:48 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: yeah, so usually just the menorah | 18:48 |
| * fungi thought a menora usually was lit | 18:48 | |
| clarkb | anteaya norfolk pine is a coniferous tree that grows in the pacific | 18:48 |
| clarkb | anteaya it isnt a true pine | 18:48 |
| anteaya | clarkb: ah | 18:48 |
| pleia2 | fungi: that was early in the season | 18:48 |
| fungi | oh | 18:48 |
| anteaya | clarkb: sounds nice though | 18:48 |
| anteaya | pleia2: that is a really lovely decoration | 18:49 |
| anteaya | pleia2: and isnt' christmassy at all | 18:49 |
| anteaya | pleia2: I think you found a nice balance there | 18:49 |
| pleia2 | of course I have pictures throughout the progression of lighting https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=64684255%40N00&view_all=1&text=hanukkah | 18:49 |
| fungi | well, we just have a halloween tree which we put up around early september and leave up until february or so. mostly because i'm lazy and hate decorating any more than i have to | 18:49 |
| pleia2 | turns out, I take a lot of pictures | 18:49 |
| clarkb | my neighbor does the giant display | 18:49 |
| pleia2 | fungi: haha, that's fun | 18:49 |
| clarkb | he had a lighting party with fireworks this year | 18:49 |
| anteaya | so pretty | 18:49 |
| anteaya | zaro: you do | 18:49 |
| clarkb | the babies freaked out | 18:49 |
| fungi | black pre-lit artificial tree on which i painstakingly replaced all the bulbs with purpose | 18:49 |
| fungi | er, with purpose | 18:50 |
| fungi | gah! | 18:50 |
| fungi | purple | 18:50 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 18:50 |
| pleia2 | nice | 18:50 |
| fungi | how can my fingers not type that word? | 18:50 |
| clarkb | porpoises | 18:50 |
| anteaya | purposeful purple | 18:50 |
| anteaya | everyone has to be able to type purple | 18:50 |
| fungi | painfully purple porpoise | 18:50 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 18:50 |
| asselin | zaro, not sure which one he has, but found this: http://www.laserchristmaslights.com/#!gallery/c66t | 18:50 |
| anteaya | clarkb: :( on babies and fireworks | 18:51 |
| jeblair | oh there's a party! | 18:51 |
| anteaya | clarkb: I can deal with fireworks about 6 times a year if they are expected and over by 11pm | 18:51 |
| anteaya | jeblair: welcome! | 18:51 |
| * anteaya offers jeblair a glass of egg nog | 18:51 | |
| zaro | asselin: OMG! that's tacky! | 18:51 |
| anteaya | anyone else ready for a top up? | 18:51 |
| zaro | does it look any better live? | 18:52 |
| * jeblair proudly wears an egg nog moustache | 18:52 | |
| pleia2 | hee | 18:52 |
| jeblair | anteaya: (that's a canadian mustache, right?) | 18:52 |
| asselin | zaro, real ones are better, but this is real simple. anyway, using both would probably have a nice effect | 18:53 |
| anteaya | jeblair: definitely | 18:53 |
| anteaya | so we abandoned the idea of organizing partners and went with just random chat | 18:54 |
| anteaya | sharing bits about workflows for hobbies are of great interest | 18:54 |
| zaro | wow! must look like because it's like all sold out | 18:54 |
| anteaya | so far we have heard about beer, bread, yeast for each and both, solstice parties, skiing, snowboarding, snowshoeing | 18:54 |
| zaro | anteaya: i mean look good | 18:55 |
| anteaya | broken arms, bad cops, kids learn how to use computers rather than how they work | 18:55 |
| asselin | yeah, seems disney bought a whole bunch. I expect there'll be more like these coming out next year. | 18:55 |
| anteaya | and are now into holiday decorations | 18:55 |
| anteaya | tree, menorah and halloween tree | 18:55 |
| anteaya | asselin: all laser displays much come with lightsaber sounds | 18:56 |
| asselin | anteaya, let's start a business plan | 18:57 |
| anteaya | asselin: ha ha ha | 18:57 |
| anteaya | I've never been any good at business plans | 18:57 |
| anteaya | I get stuck at, "So tell me what you are going to do..." | 18:58 |
| asselin | me neither, how about kickstarted | 18:58 |
| anteaya | I can never come up with anything | 18:58 |
| anteaya | turns out I can do stuff, I just never know in advance what that will be | 18:58 |
| anteaya | I'm great at figuring out why I did what I did just not what I am going to do in advance | 19:00 |
| * anteaya takes a sip of tea from her handmade pottery mug | 19:02 | |
| anteaya | I used to make pottery | 19:02 |
| anteaya | I really enjoyed it | 19:02 |
| anteaya | I made sinks | 19:02 |
| anteaya | and wanted to get into fireplace surrounds | 19:02 |
| fungi | zaro: asselin: yeah, the vector laser rendering projectors are tempting since i now have a house with a 4-story-tall wall facing the street. there's no way i'm climbing up that to string/repair lights | 19:02 |
| anteaya | had a glaze workflow all worked out so that I could glaze fire in one firing, rather than two | 19:03 |
| anteaya | but the whole thing required more space than I had :( | 19:03 |
| anteaya | I still like the pottery I made though, the plates and bowls | 19:03 |
| jeblair | i wanted to set a colorful channel topic, but i don't think we can do that on freenode | 19:03 |
| anteaya | fungi: ha ha ha | 19:03 |
| anteaya | jeblair: what were you thinking? | 19:03 |
| jeblair | anteaya: you know, string up some 'happy holiday' decorations | 19:04 |
| fungi | anteaya: for may years in my youth i was sort of apprenticed to my grandmother, who was a porcelain artist. that's fun stuff but all the kilns and mold stands do take a lot of space | 19:04 |
| anteaya | ah yes | 19:04 |
| fungi | s/may/many/ | 19:04 |
| anteaya | jeblair: that would be nice | 19:04 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: do you go to some sort of shop with a kiln for that sort of thing? | 19:05 |
| *** ChanServ changes topic to "...ooo...ooo...Happy Holidays!...ooo...ooo..." | 19:05 | |
| anteaya | I did hang up some snowflakes, icicles and tinsel yesterday but I think that got lost in backscroll | 19:05 |
| anteaya | that's nice | 19:05 |
| jeblair | oh a missed it | 19:05 |
| anteaya | I like that | 19:05 |
| fungi | though because of the way china paints work, you have to fire different colors at different temperatures (the minerals burn out otherwise) and so it's many firings with the different colors layered on in the right orders of descending firing temperatures | 19:05 |
| anteaya | fungi: oh porcelain, I do like that | 19:05 |
| anteaya | pleia2: I don't now, no, I had it set up in my home but the kiln placement never worked out | 19:06 |
| fungi | yeah, she was famous in porcelain art circles i guess. published lots of books and was constantly featured in porcelain art magazines | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: ah, wow :) | 19:06 |
| anteaya | pleia2: took a course and rented studio space after that | 19:06 |
| anteaya | just hard to get going in a short period of time | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: nods | 19:07 |
| anteaya | jeblair: oh it was yesterday | 19:07 |
| fungi | but my grandparents house was always cluttered with greenware drying all over the place | 19:07 |
| clarkb | fungi how deep into the wasteland are you? | 19:07 |
| anteaya | fungi: yeah the multiple firing are pretty but was never my thing | 19:07 |
| anteaya | fungi: really? I would love to see a magazine or book of her work sometime | 19:07 |
| anteaya | fungi: yeah it needs a lot of space | 19:08 |
| fungi | clarkb: i still haven't picked up the main plot line (haven't gone to diamond city yet) but have been focusing on settlement building side quests. level 25 at this point. survival mode is becoming a bit more playable though super mutants are still a bit too challenging | 19:08 |
| clarkb | wow | 19:08 |
| clarkb | I am level 33 on normal | 19:09 |
| jeblair | when clarkb asked, i thought "that's either a game, or clarkb is asking fungi about outer banks geography" | 19:09 |
| fungi | anteaya: i have a shelf full of binders with copies of all the magazines that featured her work over the years. can't bear to part with them even though they do take up a bit of space. held onto a few pieces of hers as well | 19:09 |
| jeblair | i'm still not _entirely_ sure which. | 19:09 |
| fungi | jeblair: both | 19:09 |
| anteaya | jeblair: I was wondering if fungi was fighting a fire I didn't know about | 19:09 |
| clarkb | jeblair its post apocalyptic boston in a video game | 19:09 |
| jeblair | oh, right | 19:09 |
| pleia2 | haha | 19:10 |
| jeblair | i already made the big-dig joke so i guess i can't do that again | 19:10 |
| anteaya | fungi: I bet | 19:10 |
| fungi | though i was amused when i discovered newbury comics at the right address | 19:10 |
| anteaya | fungi: would love to see a photo sometime if you have one | 19:10 |
| jeblair | fungi: awesome! | 19:10 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 19:10 |
| fungi | granted they have it renamed hubris comics, but the building looks similar and its at the right spot on newbury st | 19:10 |
| jeblair | i miss avenue victor hugo | 19:11 |
| clarkb | fungi you did silver shroud quest? | 19:11 |
| clarkb | so good | 19:11 |
| fungi | clarkb: i haven't yet, no, but spotted some of the associated items (left them were they were for now) | 19:11 |
| fungi | anteaya: i'll whip out the camera and shoot a pic of one | 19:11 |
| fungi | gimme a few minutes | 19:12 |
| anteaya | thanks | 19:12 |
| * anteaya goes to find some of her bowls and a clean background | 19:12 | |
| fungi | anteaya: here's a tile series i kept which she painted the year i was born. it's convenient since it's inset in a tabletop http://fungi.yuggoth.org/tmp/table.jpg | 19:21 |
| zaro | clarkb: hey, aren't your kids close to walking now? | 19:21 |
| anteaya | fungi: ohhhh my goodness that is beautiful | 19:22 |
| clarkb | zaro: no they are only 6 months old | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | fungi: wow, very nice | 19:22 |
| clarkb | they are currently in the flail around on the floor stage and not very mobile | 19:22 |
| fungi | anteaya: i have some much more impressive pieces of hers but they're boxed up right now. haven't had a lot of time to hang things up on walls since we moved | 19:22 |
| zaro | clarkb: thought their bday was vancouver summit? | 19:23 |
| fungi | she actually did a series of christmas plates, one each year for each of her grandchildren for about 30 years... but they're in a box in the attic at the moment | 19:23 |
| clarkb | zaro: no, was after I skipped summit because larissa had pre eclampsia and we had almost daily doctor visits | 19:23 |
| anteaya | clarkb: ha ha ha | 19:23 |
| anteaya | fungi: I understand | 19:23 |
| anteaya | wow | 19:23 |
| anteaya | well consider me impressed | 19:24 |
| zaro | fungi: you must have a big house | 19:24 |
| clarkb | zaro: then a week later during a "non stress test" basically they lay oyu down and monitor your blood pressure and baby heart rates they called it and started induction | 19:24 |
| anteaya | would love to see any more of her work if you ever feel like sharing | 19:24 |
| anteaya | she is/was? a wonderful artist | 19:24 |
| fungi | zaro: it's not huge, but i was lucky to find one with a decent sized attic | 19:24 |
| clarkb | her blood pressure was likw 194 over some other far too big number | 19:24 |
| asselin | fungi, nice | 19:25 |
| fungi | anteaya: yeah, she passed away about 15 years ago, but i'll see about getting some more of her stuff photographed at some point | 19:25 |
| jeblair | those are lovely | 19:25 |
| fungi | however, i need to see about better attic steps when we redo the top floor. i am not a fan of pull-down attic access | 19:25 |
| zaro | clarkb: ohh man, that must have been stressful. | 19:25 |
| zaro | clarkb: larissa take care of them while you working? | 19:26 |
| jeblair | fungi: they are better than set up the ladder and pop through the hatch :) | 19:26 |
| fungi | jeblair: fair | 19:26 |
| clarkb | zaro: 18 hours later norah was born and 10 minutes after that chloe was born via emergency c section | 19:26 |
| fungi | we're talking about doing an elevator from the garage to the first floor to replace the current terribly located interior steps. unfortunately the layout of the house is such that to reach the second floor and attic the elevator would need to be in a different part of the house | 19:27 |
| *** rfolco has quit IRC | 19:27 | |
| fungi | so i'll probably just have to make do with better steps for attic access as a compromise | 19:27 |
| anteaya | I have open the closet door and climb the shelves to pop open the hatch | 19:28 |
| anteaya | I don't go into the attic much | 19:28 |
| zaro | clarkb: ohh, nice! two girls. i didn't even know that til now. i've heard girls are better than boys when young but i don't have boys. | 19:28 |
| anteaya | fungi: yeah two elevators in one house shoulds like a bit much | 19:29 |
| zaro | clarkb: pink is the thing | 19:30 |
| anteaya | s/shoulds/sounds | 19:30 |
| anteaya | my pottery: http://imgur.com/a/R5CBA | 19:30 |
| clarkb | zaro: yup, we were hoping for at least one boy but knew early on that it was two girls (you get all the ultrasounds and testing when you have twins) | 19:30 |
| anteaya | not nearly as impressive as fungi's grandmother but I enjoyed making them | 19:30 |
| anteaya | teaspoons added as reference | 19:30 |
| fungi | anteaya: oh those are nice! | 19:31 |
| zaro | wow! those are nice. for decorations or using them | 19:31 |
| zaro | ? | 19:31 |
| clarkb | anteaya: the internet meme is to use a banana :) | 19:31 |
| fungi | hard to tell from the shot, a couple look like raku method? | 19:31 |
| anteaya | clarkb: ha ha ha | 19:31 |
| anteaya | fungi: thanks | 19:31 |
| anteaya | they look like it but no | 19:32 |
| anteaya | raku was never my thing, you can't eat off of raku pottery | 19:32 |
| anteaya | I like natural glazes | 19:32 |
| fungi | fair point | 19:32 |
| anteaya | the brown one used ash from my stove | 19:32 |
| fungi | but it's fun to fire your glaze in smoldering wood/paper | 19:32 |
| anteaya | but I don't think the ash really made that much of an impact | 19:32 |
| anteaya | yes it is | 19:32 |
| anteaya | I spend some time as a pottery tech | 19:32 |
| anteaya | fired a lot that summer | 19:33 |
| anteaya | build the raku kiln a few times | 19:33 |
| fungi | your wheel technique looks great. very round | 19:33 |
| anteaya | and yeah playing with the different firing was fun | 19:33 |
| anteaya | thanks | 19:33 |
| anteaya | I spent a lot of time learning how to centre | 19:33 |
| fungi | i always had trouble keeping centered when throwing on a wheel | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: oh nice | 19:33 |
| jeblair | didn't they eat off of raku back in the day? | 19:33 |
| anteaya | ended up that I taught a few others how to do that | 19:33 |
| anteaya | pleia2: thanks | 19:34 |
| anteaya | jeblair: I think they did | 19:34 |
| fungi | jeblair: yeah, they also didn't live long enough to go crazy from the heavy metal poisoning | 19:34 |
| anteaya | but now there is a standard for pottery to be considered foodsafe | 19:34 |
| jeblair | right | 19:34 |
| fungi | though these days you can use food safe glazes for raku too | 19:34 |
| anteaya | after I would fire with a new glaze I went through a whole bunch of tests | 19:34 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: did you make the last one to hold the stone at the top, or the other way around? | 19:34 |
| anteaya | weighed a piece out of the kiln, imperssed in water for 24 hours and weighed again, can't talk on more than 4% increase in weigh | 19:35 |
| anteaya | kept a bowl with vinegar in it for 24 hours | 19:35 |
| anteaya | and another with drain opener | 19:35 |
| anteaya | for acid and alcaline test | 19:36 |
| anteaya | pleia2: other way around | 19:36 |
| anteaya | pleia2: it has a lamp that goes in it | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | aha :) | 19:36 |
| anteaya | pleia2: but lamp fuel evapourates quickly | 19:36 |
| * zaro heads out to do some xmas shopping. came into office specifically for this purpose. | 19:36 | |
| anteaya | and i needed a place for my crystals | 19:36 |
| fungi | ahh, yeah if your glaze is not thick enough to seal all the clay then that's a problem. and right probably also hard to guarantee with raku | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | zaro: thanks for joining us :) good luck | 19:36 |
| anteaya | zaro: aw, thank you | 19:36 |
| anteaya | zaro: enjoy shopping | 19:37 |
| fungi | zaro: hope you wore protective gear | 19:37 |
| anteaya | yes | 19:37 |
| jeblair | zaro: have fun! | 19:37 |
| anteaya | also the clay has to reach vitrification | 19:37 |
| fungi | yep | 19:37 |
| anteaya | which is the temp at which the sand melts in the clay body and becomes glass | 19:37 |
| fungi | since i mostly got to work with porcelain that was much less of a problem | 19:37 |
| anteaya | since at the very least the foot is always unglazed | 19:38 |
| anteaya | yes, I can see that | 19:38 |
| fungi | but much different processes since you work with a slurry-like slip rather than solid clays | 19:38 |
| anteaya | also I had done some glass blowing prior to the pottery course | 19:38 |
| anteaya | so glaze made a lot of sense to me | 19:38 |
| anteaya | yes | 19:38 |
| fungi | that's something i've always wanted to try but never found the time | 19:38 |
| anteaya | it is fun | 19:38 |
| fungi | watched a lot of glass blowers, looks like great fun | 19:39 |
| anteaya | it is | 19:39 |
| anteaya | you have to eat a lot of salt while you are working | 19:39 |
| anteaya | we all had bags of pretzels while we worked | 19:39 |
| fungi | oh, i an imagine the heat is as brutal as ironwork | 19:39 |
| anteaya | you have to have a picture in your head and move fast | 19:39 |
| anteaya | I haven't done blacksmithing | 19:39 |
| anteaya | but yeah I would imagine they are similar | 19:40 |
| anteaya | the art college in my town has courses for all | 19:40 |
| fungi | i've done a very little amount of ironwork, mostly at sca events | 19:40 |
| anteaya | pottery, blacksmithing, glass blowing | 19:40 |
| anteaya | sca? | 19:40 |
| fungi | society for creative anachronism | 19:40 |
| jesusaurus | anteaya: ooh nice pottery | 19:41 |
| fungi | basically medieval reenactors | 19:41 |
| anteaya | jesusaurus: thanks | 19:41 |
| anteaya | fungi: ah fun | 19:41 |
| jeblair | it originated in berkeley, ca | 19:41 |
| anteaya | yes I can see ironwork being poplar there | 19:41 |
| anteaya | jeblair: did it? | 19:41 |
| fungi | there are wuite a few traditional artisans who attend, including some blacksmiths | 19:41 |
| * anteaya tries to imagine jeblair as a medival reenactor | 19:42 | |
| anteaya | did they wear bowties? | 19:42 |
| anteaya | fungi: that sounds like fun | 19:42 |
| jeblair | it did indeed; i know the son of one of the originators | 19:42 |
| jeblair | he is a hand woodworker | 19:42 |
| anteaya | jeblair: nice | 19:42 |
| fungi | oh cool! | 19:42 |
| anteaya | ohhh | 19:42 |
| anteaya | what kinds of things did he make? | 19:42 |
| fungi | i mean, i knew it originated in berkeley but cool that you have connections | 19:43 |
| jeblair | builds amazing things by hand, particularly bookbinding tools, on account of he's also a hand bookbinder | 19:43 |
| anteaya | oh how lovely | 19:43 |
| jeblair | the precision in his handmade tools is so far beyond machine made stuff it's crazy | 19:43 |
| anteaya | hand bookbinding has been a topic of fasincation for me | 19:43 |
| anteaya | how wonderful | 19:43 |
| * anteaya loves handmade things | 19:43 | |
| jeblair | he made a press for li... | 19:44 |
| jeblair | and of course, it had wooden threaded rods | 19:45 |
| anteaya | oh oh | 19:45 |
| jeblair | which surprised me, but in retrospect -- of course it did :) | 19:45 |
| * anteaya is describing glorious things | 19:45 | |
| jeblair | it's at li's shop so i can't take a picture, sorry | 19:45 |
| anteaya | it's at li's shop? | 19:46 |
| anteaya | li gets to use it? | 19:46 |
| jeblair | heh, i'm not sure she's used it for real yet though. i think she might use it carefully. would not want to deprive it of its purpose and all. | 19:47 |
| anteaya | oh true | 19:48 |
| fungi | sounds a treat | 19:48 |
| jeblair | we have another similar (in form at least) one that we made a long time ago which we can use if we need to abuse it. | 19:49 |
| jeblair | oh look, someone blogged a visit with him: http://biblioforge.biz/2013/01/28/a-visit-with-tom-conroy/ | 19:51 |
| jeblair | the presses in the picture are the same design as the one he made for li, except li's is for normally sized books, not tiny ones. | 19:52 |
| anteaya | look at the size of that bible! | 19:52 |
| anteaya | oh he didn't make the bible just repaired it | 19:53 |
| jeblair | meanwhile, my router table was just delivered | 19:55 |
| clarkb | there must be some sort of jig that you use to cut a wooden thread? | 19:55 |
| jeblair | which is sort of the opposite of that | 19:55 |
| anteaya | congratulations | 19:55 |
| anteaya | have you spent much time routing before? | 19:55 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, i have no idea, i should ask :) | 19:56 |
| jeblair | anteaya: not on a table | 19:56 |
| jeblair | but we need to make some picture rails for a room that is missing them | 19:57 |
| jeblair | so, seemed like a good time to start | 19:57 |
| asselin | anteaya, my wife's godparents son does lots of ceramics. Pretty neat stuff imho: https://www.facebook.com/unit.office/media_set?set=a.1073501702690183.1073741850.100000910910077&type=3 | 19:58 |
| anteaya | jeblair: nice | 19:58 |
| anteaya | asselin: is that his work, the purple thing with the pretty trumpets? | 19:59 |
| fungi | yeah, router table and miter chop saw are on my list of things i need to get this winter for some indoor projects on the house | 19:59 |
| asselin | anteaya, not sure I saw anything purple.... | 19:59 |
| jeblair | i believe i found a bit that will match the profile used in the rest of the house (the nice thing about craftsman homes is that the design and construction is more or less by definition fairly easy to work with) | 19:59 |
| fungi | i promised my wife i'd make a hinged multi-layer builtin shelf assembly on one wall of the living room so we can put away our cds, dvds, video games, et cetera more neatly | 20:00 |
| jeblair | that sounds complicated :) | 20:00 |
| fungi | it will be | 20:00 |
| asselin | anteaya, should be wings with red glass balls | 20:00 |
| fungi | i enjoy engineering projects | 20:01 |
| pleia2 | asselin: wow, that's pretty amazing | 20:01 |
| fungi | used to be a draftsman after all, so am no stranger to designing and building stuff | 20:01 |
| fungi | especially cabinetry | 20:01 |
| asselin | I visited their home a few years ago. Like walking in a museum | 20:01 |
| jeblair | i did an ikea hack -- i installed a 19 inch rack in an ikea besta | 20:02 |
| fungi | heh, sweet! | 20:02 |
| jeblair | we got it to hold our entertainment stuff in the new place (amp, dvd player, mythtv, etc)... | 20:02 |
| fungi | i went with wall-mounting all the components behind the tv in the new place | 20:03 |
| jeblair | but i still needed a place for the 16 channel mackie mixer | 20:03 |
| jeblair | so the left side is now a 19in rack, and the right side is shelves | 20:03 |
| fungi | with a 75" panel, i have a lot of wall space behind it to mount things, so turned out to not be terribly hard | 20:04 |
| anteaya | asselin: sorry I don't facebook, all I can see is a purple base with lovely bell shaped trumpets | 20:04 |
| anteaya | asselin: facebook doesn't give me any other options | 20:04 |
| fungi | mostly just put anchors/toggles in the right spots and used appropriately threaded right-angle hooks as brackets for most things | 20:04 |
| jeblair | fungi: i'm trying to imagine how that works, i must be missing something... | 20:05 |
| jeblair | like, did you mount a dvd player sideways on the wall? | 20:05 |
| fungi | jeblair: flat-ish components mounted sideways. chose components which were amenable to the solution | 20:05 |
| fungi | yeah | 20:05 |
| jeblair | aha, neat :) | 20:05 |
| clarkb | my entertainment center is 6 4x4 posts with two levels of 3/4" A grade plywood | 20:06 |
| asselin | anteaya, ok, found his main site: http://www.unit-9.com/artwork.htm | 20:06 |
| fungi | anything with a media slot or media tray got mounted right behind one edge of the panel so it's easy to get to while still being out of sight | 20:06 |
| clarkb | super college dorm room hack but its solid and not going anywhere | 20:06 |
| asselin | oh, there's the purple thing with trumpets :) | 20:06 |
| fungi | i'll take a shot of the mess behind the tv since i have the camera out | 20:06 |
| asselin | http://www.unit-9.com/artwork-100flower.html | 20:06 |
| jeblair | clarkb: that's way better than cinder blocks or milk crates | 20:06 |
| clarkb | at some point I should stain it and pretend its real furniture | 20:07 |
| jeblair | you can edge the plywood with veneer! | 20:08 |
| anteaya | asselin: ah better | 20:08 |
| anteaya | asselin: yes this is what facebook was showing me: ttp://www.unit-9.com/artwork-100flower.html | 20:08 |
| clarkb | jeblair: yup :) | 20:08 |
| anteaya | asselin: yeah | 20:09 |
| clarkb | the best part was total cost came in at like $70 | 20:09 |
| anteaya | clarkb: my favourite kind of furniture | 20:09 |
| anteaya | fungi: ha ha ha | 20:09 |
| clarkb | the big issue I found was buying anything decent costs way more money than I wanted to spend at the time and anything on the cheap ennd of the scale (like couple hundred dollars) was pressboard and :( | 20:11 |
| clarkb | so I took advantage of home depot cutting stuff to size and cobbled together a thing | 20:11 |
| anteaya | yup | 20:12 |
| anteaya | I did that too with a bookshelf I have | 20:12 |
| jeblair | i am going to go grab some food, seeing as how the buffet here seems to have run out | 20:13 |
| anteaya | drew up the whole thing then went to the hardware store and choose the board myself and had them cut it up for me | 20:13 |
| * anteaya looks at the buffet | 20:13 | |
| anteaya | enjoy food | 20:13 |
| * anteaya takes the empty trays back to the kitchen to be freshened | 20:14 | |
| anteaya | paying the cutting fee plus the board was cheaper than buying a shelf and it wouldn't have been what I wanted anyway | 20:14 |
| clarkb | yup | 20:15 |
| clarkb | I also made it taller than is usualy (due to previous estup) with the intetion of cutting the legs to size if I ever need to | 20:16 |
| fungi | here we go. had to postprocess the shot a little since it's dark behind the tv. it's on an articulating mount, so easy to swing out to take a shot (or to work on the stuff mounted back there) http://fungi.yuggoth.org/tmp/wall.jpg | 20:19 |
| clarkb | is that a kvm switch for hdmi? | 20:20 |
| fungi | which one? | 20:20 |
| clarkb | the thing to the right of what looks like a samsung bluray player? | 20:20 |
| clarkb | up and right of the wiiu | 20:21 |
| anteaya | that is very tidy | 20:21 |
| anteaya | and nice stone fireplace too | 20:22 |
| fungi | the samsung drive there is a usb-connected dvd+rw drive, wired back to a gigabyte brix i'm using an an htpc | 20:22 |
| clarkb | oh thats what that is | 20:22 |
| fungi | i didn't need the rest of the htpc particularly close to the edge of the tv, trying to save real estate there for things with media slots (hence just the optical drive for it) | 20:22 |
| fungi | even the ups everything's powered through is wall mounted though | 20:23 |
| fungi | also i really like that articulating mount for the tv. extremely sturdy and i can fit the tv up nearly flush against the wall (minus a few inches for teh things mounted behind it) or swing it out to almost a 45 degree angle | 20:24 |
| fungi | seating in the living room was a bit of a challenge since i wanted it to generally all face the fireplace, the tv, and the windows out onto the water | 20:25 |
| fungi | so doing the tv on a diagonal was about the only way to make that work | 20:25 |
| fungi | the black bars across the top of that space on the wall are brackets for removable arm shelves so i can quickly mount various game consoles above the tv and plug them in, then take them back down and stick them back in their storage ottoman when not in use | 20:27 |
| fungi | very convenient | 20:27 |
| anteaya | it looks it | 20:27 |
| jeblair | nice! | 20:28 |
| * jeblair says as he returns with a plate of chantrelle mushroom risotto | 20:29 | |
| anteaya | that sounds delicious | 20:29 |
| anteaya | better than the carrot sticks on the vegetable tray | 20:30 |
| jeblair | it's not bad :) | 20:30 |
| jeblair | whenever i see chantrelles i buy them and do something with them | 20:31 |
| anteaya | how impulsive of you | 20:31 |
| anteaya | what else have you done with chantrelles? | 20:31 |
| anteaya | I don't know them very well myself | 20:31 |
| jeblair | that's only a few times a year here, but they have them all the time in europe, so that would be a problem if i lived there | 20:32 |
| jeblair | they are excellent on pizzas | 20:32 |
| jeblair | (not like american pizza; like bread, olive oil, some greens and chantrelles) | 20:32 |
| anteaya | oh sounds great | 20:34 |
| jeblair | i've put them in grits (or polenta) | 20:34 |
| anteaya | I don't think i have ever seen them fresh here | 20:34 |
| anteaya | nice | 20:34 |
| anteaya | I have made polenta before, I don't recall ever making grits | 20:34 |
| jeblair | they have a lot in common | 20:35 |
| pleia2 | American and United keep having shrimp with grits on their domestic first class menus, that is all I know about grits | 20:35 |
| anteaya | cool | 20:35 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 20:36 |
| clarkb | I had grits in atlanta | 20:36 |
| anteaya | either a popular in flight meal or they got a good deal on the grits | 20:36 |
| pleia2 | time for me to pop out for lunch, bbiab | 20:36 |
| jeblair | pleia2: if that's all you know about grits, i hope you haven't eaten it :) | 20:36 |
| anteaya | clarkb: what did you think? | 20:36 |
| clarkb | anteaya: its ok not bad but I prefer potatoes | 20:36 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: it was tolerable for airplane food, I hope to try the real thing some day :) | 20:36 |
| anteaya | pleia2: enjoy lunch, may they be grits free | 20:36 |
| jeblair | cause it's like the best thing ever done right, and i'm pretty sure it could be the worst thing ever done wrong. | 20:36 |
| anteaya | clarkb: okay | 20:36 |
| jeblair | clarkb: probably means your grits didn't have enough butter, cream, and cheese :) | 20:37 |
| clarkb | jeblair: thats the same stuff I put in my potatoes | 20:38 |
| fungi | i grew up on grits, of course, being in the south and all | 20:38 |
| clarkb | so probably | 20:38 |
| fungi | though where i live now it's almost exclusively "shrimp grits" | 20:38 |
| anteaya | many things are improved with more fat | 20:38 |
| anteaya | fungi: why might that be? | 20:38 |
| jeblair | fungi: weirdly, i didn't appreciate them properly until i moved away and started cooking liberally with fat :) | 20:38 |
| fungi | because we have a lot of shrinp here i guess? | 20:38 |
| fungi | er, shrimp | 20:39 |
| anteaya | that would make sense | 20:39 |
| fungi | big boatloads coming in every morning at the docs | 20:39 |
| fungi | docks | 20:39 |
| jeblair | i had to repair a lot of my ideas of cooking having grown up during the "fat is bad for you" phase of american food fads. | 20:39 |
| clarkb | jeblair: mine was the always overcook everything so you don't die of some disease problem | 20:39 |
| fungi | oh, yes, my parents went to insane lengths to remove all traces of fats from our food growing up. it was terrible | 20:40 |
| clarkb | food was questionable growing up but now I live somewhere with much better food handling standards | 20:40 |
| fungi | and also yes, the cook everything until it's black/mush because my mom was a public health nurse | 20:40 |
| fungi | i also think eating lunch in hospital cafeterias for much of the 70s probably allowed her to forget what food tastes like | 20:41 |
| clarkb | but I did get to eat things like tropical fish and goats and coconut crabs so it wasn't all bad | 20:42 |
| fungi | when she saw me making aerobically fermented pickles recently, she urged me to either throw them out or make sure my will is up to date | 20:42 |
| clarkb | and one time sea turtle whic hI think I am supposed to feel bad for now | 20:42 |
| fungi | clarkb: if people living on those little dots in the ocean were the only ones killing and eating sea turtles, i don't think there would be much of a campaign to make anyone feel bad for it | 20:43 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya :( and the turtle I had did come from one of those very tiny little dots | 20:44 |
| anteaya | fungi: ha ha ha, did you update your will? | 20:44 |
| anteaya | yeah your use case sounds like survival | 20:44 |
| fungi | anteaya: no, instead i enjoyed my tasty pickles full of life-giving probiotic bacterial cultures | 20:45 |
| anteaya | in which case that is the point of having the creatures | 20:45 |
| anteaya | or one point at least | 20:45 |
| anteaya | fungi: ha ha ha | 20:45 |
| anteaya | my sister is a nurse, but not as bad as public health nurses | 20:45 |
| anteaya | she finally understands probiotics too | 20:46 |
| fungi | well, in mom's defense, she saw quite a lot of people living in squalor and disease on home health visits to some more remote areas of the appalachian mountains | 20:46 |
| anteaya | when I was a kid my father read the atkins diet | 20:46 |
| anteaya | we had to eat potato skins from that point forward | 20:46 |
| fungi | so i can understand her having a very polarized reaction to sterilizing everything | 20:46 |
| anteaya | yup | 20:46 |
| anteaya | oh I too can see my sister's point of view | 20:47 |
| anteaya | and in some things she also can see mine | 20:47 |
| clarkb | now I want kimchi | 20:47 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 20:47 |
| fungi | yeah, love me some kimchi | 20:48 |
| fungi | also sauerkraut | 20:48 |
| fungi | and nukazuki | 20:48 |
| fungi | aerobic fermentation makes great pickles | 20:49 |
| anteaya | I don't know nukazuki | 20:49 |
| fungi | though this batch was an assortment of habanero and jalapeño peppers from a friend's garden | 20:49 |
| fungi | nukazuki is daikon radish fermented in rice bran | 20:49 |
| fungi | er, nukazuke | 20:50 |
| anteaya | oh my | 20:50 |
| anteaya | I have never come across that before | 20:50 |
| anteaya | I do like daikon radish | 20:50 |
| fungi | dunno why i wanted that to be ki instead if ke | 20:50 |
| anteaya | your fingers didn't like purple earlier today either | 20:51 |
| anteaya | asselin: that person's art is stunning | 20:51 |
| fungi | it's got a pretty strong lactobacillus flavor, more so than sauerkraut, so somewhat of an acquired taste (i guess unless you grew up with it, which i did not) | 20:51 |
| anteaya | asselin: it looks like they have some industrial installations in that picture gallery | 20:52 |
| clarkb | fungi: I ate too much takuan growing up | 20:52 |
| anteaya | or unless you like to try new things, which you seem to | 20:52 |
| anteaya | clarkb: what is that? | 20:52 |
| clarkb | pickled daikon | 20:53 |
| fungi | yeah, most of asia has it in one form or another | 20:53 |
| clarkb | though we did the terrible thing of mixing koolaid into the liquid >_> | 20:54 |
| fungi | usually consumed as a digestive aid, especially with rice | 20:54 |
| clarkb | but also a lot of pickled ginger, mangos, and papaya | 20:54 |
| fungi | those all sound awesome, but i am quite a fan of just about any kind of pickle | 20:54 |
| clarkb | pickeld green mangos are my favorite | 20:54 |
| fungi | are those done with salt-packing like umeboshi? | 20:55 |
| clarkb | we did them with salt and vinegar I want to say | 20:55 |
| clarkb | my grandmother would make them I should ask her | 20:55 |
| anteaya | I like green mangos | 20:56 |
| clarkb | anteaya: green mangos with a little shoyu is very good | 20:56 |
| fungi | i've always assumed other moist/pulpy fruits would work well done in the same style used to make umeboshi but have never had occasion to test the theory | 20:56 |
| anteaya | clarkb: sounds nice | 20:56 |
| anteaya | when I was in thailand I ate them dipped in chili salt | 20:56 |
| fungi | i should get a vat of some local fruits and local sea salt going and see what happens | 20:57 |
| clarkb | http://userealbutter.com/2011/03/28/vietnamese-pickled-green-mangoes-recipe/ | 20:57 |
| clarkb | so thats very similra so must've been sugar not salt | 20:57 |
| fungi | interesting. and yeah sugar will do similar things | 20:57 |
| clarkb | but we would typically add the peper when eating | 20:57 |
| anteaya | that is an easy recipe | 20:57 |
| fungi | hence why pickles have been a popular form of food preservation worldwide throughout much of our history | 20:58 |
| clarkb | http://www.cuisinivity.com/globalfeast/pacific/Marshall_Islands/2013/BellApple.php we also ate a lot of those with shoyu | 20:58 |
| clarkb | also apple bread/cake using them | 20:59 |
| clarkb | fungi: but basically the same process for green papaya iirc | 21:01 |
| clarkb | remove seed(s) add vinegar and white crystel (sugar/salt I don't remember) let sit | 21:01 |
| fungi | that's more or less my pickling technique, though i like to start with a live culture vinegar and not pasteurize it during preparation | 21:02 |
| fungi | probably mostly to annoy my mom | 21:02 |
| asselin | anteaya, yes it is. both his parents are professional artists. | 21:03 |
| anteaya | asselin: ah that makes sense now | 21:05 |
| anteaya | asselin: was trying to picture how someone would get to his state with having a teacher and an account as parents | 21:05 |
| anteaya | fungi: ha ha ha | 21:06 |
| asselin | genetics, though my daughters have an amazing art abilities, but my handwriting is horrible and my wife is average. | 21:06 |
| clarkb | fungi: salted fish is really common on the more remote atolls | 21:07 |
| clarkb | fungi: eventually the fish takes on the taste and consistency of salt crystals | 21:07 |
| fungi | clarkb: i imagine that being along the same lines as scandinavian gravlax? | 21:08 |
| fungi | though maybe more salty | 21:08 |
| anteaya | asselin: what kind of media do your daughters favour? | 21:08 |
| fungi | gravlax was traditionally just filleted and then laid over the ship railings, so brined in the cold salt spray | 21:08 |
| fungi | and i find it most edible | 21:09 |
| clarkb | this is dry cure using fish split in half packed in salt with a weight on top | 21:09 |
| asselin | anteaya, my oldest is pen/pencil and paper, she likes to draw stories. my youngest is more crafty, so colors, glue, scissors, etc | 21:09 |
| fungi | clarkb: sounds excellent. more like salmon jerky then flavor-wise | 21:09 |
| anteaya | I had a dream last night someone was talking about sailing, according to them the passage from florida to glasgow would take 2 days | 21:10 |
| anteaya | stiff breeze blowing straight north apparently | 21:11 |
| anteaya | asselin: nice | 21:11 |
| clarkb | oh http://www.cuisinivity.com/globalfeast/pacific/Marshall_Islands/2013/coconuts_part2.php that site also talks about fermented coconut sap | 21:11 |
| clarkb | also my favorite part of the coconut, the sponge | 21:11 |
| anteaya | the sponge? | 21:13 |
| anteaya | I don't know that part | 21:13 |
| asselin | here's something my oldest drew: http://imgur.com/kY1MO9D those paper dogs I got from japan. they loved them | 21:15 |
| clarkb | anteaya: that page hsa pictures but as the coconut sprouts the insides of the coconut solidy into a sponge | 21:15 |
| clarkb | anteaya: so all the liquid goodness turns into spongy goodness | 21:15 |
| anteaya | wow | 21:16 |
| anteaya | that sounds awesome | 21:16 |
| anteaya | and coconut sap! | 21:16 |
| anteaya | asselin: how lovely | 21:16 |
| anteaya | asselin: she has a good eye for proportion and balance | 21:17 |
| anteaya | hard to get all the body parts to be the right size when you first get going | 21:17 |
| asselin | here's a fun one: can you find the 7 differences: http://imgur.com/MdAMgdk | 21:18 |
| anteaya | oh goodness | 21:24 |
| * anteaya looks closer | 21:24 | |
| anteaya | how very detailed | 21:24 |
| anteaya | asselin: this is what I have so far: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/7-differences | 21:28 |
| anteaya | asselin: I'm missing one | 21:28 |
| anteaya | asselin: the red hoop above the boy's head? | 21:29 |
| asselin | yeah....it's 'more' than 7.... | 21:30 |
| anteaya | ah | 21:30 |
| asselin | yeah...not too serious, just for fun :) | 21:31 |
| fungi | clarkb: i'm wanting to figure out how much work coconut palms would be in my yard. i see a few people with them here, but i think they have to get the tops bagged in the winter since it's very windy here and can get below freezing at times | 21:31 |
| anteaya | asselin: she is very good | 21:31 |
| anteaya | asselin: she has a wonderful eye for detail | 21:31 |
| asselin | the title translats to "the differences of jumping hoops/rings" | 21:31 |
| fungi | we have lots of indigenous palmettos, but they're a lot more hardy in the cold | 21:31 |
| anteaya | ah ha | 21:31 |
| asselin | and the boy in the right pointing at 'you' is saying "now it's your turn" | 21:31 |
| anteaya | asselin: spanish class? | 21:31 |
| asselin | french | 21:32 |
| anteaya | really? I was going to guess french | 21:32 |
| asselin | in the middle, she says it's not for children 3 years and under | 21:32 |
| anteaya | oh now I see | 21:32 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 21:32 |
| anteaya | art with warning labels | 21:32 |
| anteaya | :) | 21:32 |
| asselin | lol | 21:32 |
| anteaya | how conscientious | 21:32 |
| anteaya | fungi: how tall of a ladder would you need to bag your coconut palms? | 21:33 |
| fungi | anteaya: however tall the palms grow | 21:33 |
| clarkb | you can notch steps in the trunk | 21:34 |
| fungi | i suspect a lot of the ones here i see are being handled by contract landscapers with cherry-picker trucks | 21:34 |
| anteaya | clarkb: ha ha ha, tree and ladder | 21:34 |
| anteaya | I would definitely need to bag my coconut palms | 21:35 |
| anteaya | fungi: so do you make your own nuka-bed from roasted rice bran? | 21:48 |
| fungi | anteaya: i haven't tried making nukazuke yet, though my understanding is that you can just collect the bran that accumulates on your rice cooker | 21:48 |
| fungi | or at least that's what a lot of asian households do when setting up their own nuka-beds for such purposes | 21:49 |
| anteaya | ah cool | 21:49 |
| anteaya | I must say I have not come across a lot of rice bran myself in my rice cooking | 21:49 |
| fungi | i sort of feel bad every time i have to clean the caked-on bran on my cooker, though i cook a lot of brown rice so it tends to leave a bit more residue | 21:50 |
| fungi | seems like i should put it to good use | 21:50 |
| anteaya | perhaps I am cooking a differently kind of rice | 21:50 |
| anteaya | different | 21:51 |
| fungi | oh, yeah i'm also using asian short-grained rices, not the sort that north americans are used to | 21:51 |
| anteaya | ah there we go | 21:52 |
| fungi | i like sticky rice, not loose rice | 21:54 |
| fungi | so need the shorter-grain varieties to get that texture | 21:55 |
| anteaya | ah yes | 22:09 |
| anteaya | do you do anything specific with the sticky rice, like make sushi or serve it in the shape of a ball? | 22:10 |
| fungi | all of the above and more | 22:10 |
| fungi | eat it in a bowl with curry sauce, with stir fry, et cetera | 22:10 |
| fungi | have it in a bowl topped with a few pickle slices as part of a larger meal | 22:11 |
| fungi | sticky rice is simply much easier to eat with chop sticks than loose rice | 22:11 |
| pleia2 | speaking of which, plastic light saber chop sticks? clever, but poor execution | 22:14 |
| pleia2 | transparent plastic used to make them is too slippery, requires master level chop stick skills | 22:15 |
| pleia2 | I don't mind them so much, but I tend to give guests the wooden ones :) | 22:15 |
| fungi | my mastery of chop sticks improved considerably when i started using stainless stell ones at home | 22:16 |
| fungi | also nice to be able to just toss them in the dishwasher | 22:16 |
| pleia2 | oh, that is nice | 22:16 |
| fungi | stainless steel i mean, of course | 22:17 |
| pleia2 | the other problem with the plastic is I'm afraid I'll break them, I imagine that's not a problem with the stainless steel ones | 22:17 |
| jeblair | according to li, 'pick up a marble out of a bowl of water' is an exercise parents have their children do. (or more likely, grandparents) | 22:17 |
| fungi | yeah, these stainless steel chop sticks are remarkably durable | 22:18 |
| jeblair | er, with chopsticks, in case that wasn't clear | 22:18 |
| fungi | i could probably permanently bend them, but it would take some effort | 22:18 |
| jeblair | "i mean, that's great you got that marble out of there. i'm really proud of you. now, can you try it with chopsticks?" | 22:18 |
| * fungi wonders how many chinese children then try to eat the marble | 22:19 | |
| pleia2 | hah, that does seem like master level | 22:19 |
| fungi | successful party! now i have to bow out and go have beer^H^H^H^Hdinner somewhere | 22:50 |
| fungi | happy holidays to all! | 22:50 |
| clarkb | enjoy | 22:50 |
| clarkb | I had to do emergency baby baths | 22:50 |
| jeblair | fungi: happy holidays! | 22:50 |
| clarkb | they had synchronized explosions | 22:50 |
| jeblair | clarkb: you know how to party | 22:51 |
| anteaya | thanks all | 22:53 |
| anteaya | it was a fun afternoon | 22:53 |
| anteaya | jeblair: care to help me pack away the decorations? | 22:53 |
| * anteaya cleans up the buffet and egg nog glasses | 22:53 | |
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| anteaya | thanks | 22:54 |
| jeblair | easy cleanup | 22:54 |
| anteaya | indeed | 22:54 |
| anteaya | that was a fun experiment | 22:54 |
| anteaya | glad it was successful | 22:54 |
| jeblair | ++ thanks! | 22:55 |
| anteaya | welcome :) | 22:56 |
| asselin | thanks, and easy to get home :) | 23:12 |
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