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| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/requirements stable/stein: Add missing format arg for missing g-r reqs https://review.opendev.org/697352 | 19:35 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/requirements master: update constraint for octavia-lib to new release 1.5.0 https://review.opendev.org/697359 | 20:10 |
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| smcginnis | I remember thinking about an issue that I thought we should discuss in the meeting, but now I completely forget what that issue was. | 20:39 |
| tonyb[m] | smcginnis: happens to me all the time | 20:46 |
| smcginnis | If it was important, we'll know when things start breaking. ;) | 20:53 |
| tonyb[m] | Hehe | 20:55 |
| tonyb[m] | If you remember just drop it here and ping us | 20:56 |
| smcginnis | Will do! | 20:56 |
| tonyb[m] | I admit I respond to pings but I'm really focused on product stuff and not checking IRC very often | 20:57 |
| rm_work | hmmm | 21:00 |
| rm_work | https://67824de31bea3a88d960-e6ca3f0f131d5067e28b560534611438.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/697359/1/check/cross-neutron-py27/f29c9ed/testr_results.html.gz | 21:00 |
| rm_work | that's unrelated to our req change but it's unclear to me that a recheck would change the result? | 21:01 |
| smcginnis | rm_work: I've seen that one, but maybe was the same patch. | 21:01 |
| rm_work | hmm | 21:01 |
| tonyb[m] | rm_work: that's kinda hard to grok from my phone but I can check it a bit when I'm at my desk | 21:07 |
| rm_work | well, i'm just waiting for the first full run to finish so i can recheck and see if it's intermittent | 21:08 |
| tonyb[m] | It looks to me like a py27/py3 unicode issue | 21:10 |
| tonyb[m] | It should be reproduceable locally | 21:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/requirements master: Add neutron to upper-constraints https://review.opendev.org/697369 | 21:21 |
| rm_work | hmm k | 21:23 |
| prometheanfire | rm_work: is that from the global update (the testr link)? | 21:24 |
| rm_work | it's from openstack/requirements master: update constraint for octavia-lib to new release 1.5.0 https://review.opendev.org/697359 | 21:24 |
| rm_work | the cross-neutron job | 21:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/requirements stable/train: Add neutron to upper-constraints https://review.opendev.org/697370 | 21:25 |
| prometheanfire | ah, it's also in the GR update, so probably a problem in neutron itself then | 21:25 |
| rm_work | hmm | 21:26 |
| rm_work | so that blocks g-r which blocks octavia T_T | 21:26 |
| prometheanfire | what I'm saying is that the same error is in multiple patches, so it's likely not related to a reqs change | 21:26 |
| rm_work | right | 21:26 |
| rm_work | so that error in neutron is blocking g-r and that is blocking octavia :D | 21:27 |
| rm_work | chain of pain | 21:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/requirements stable/stein: Add neutron to upper-constraints https://review.opendev.org/697371 | 21:27 |
| prometheanfire | chain of pain sounds nice | 21:27 |
| smcginnis | That's a pretty great phrase actually. We can use that a lot around here. :D | 21:28 |
| prometheanfire | smcginnis: you'd need to add neutron to gr as well for it to stick around in upper-constraints | 21:28 |
| prometheanfire | otherwise the bot update will remove it | 21:28 |
| prometheanfire | unless this is just a temp fix for the neutron breakage | 21:29 |
| smcginnis | prometheanfire: That's the weird thing, it was already there. | 21:29 |
| smcginnis | https://opendev.org/openstack/requirements/src/branch/stable/stein/global-requirements.txt#L144 | 21:29 |
| prometheanfire | huh | 21:29 |
| smcginnis | https://opendev.org/openstack/requirements/src/branch/master/global-requirements.txt#L151 | 21:29 |
| prometheanfire | guess I should have looked | 21:30 |
| prometheanfire | meeting time? | 21:30 |
| prometheanfire | !startmeeting requirements | 21:30 |
| openstack | prometheanfire: Error: "startmeeting" is not a valid command. | 21:30 |
| smcginnis | An hour ago it was. :D | 21:30 |
| prometheanfire | DST makes me sad | 21:30 |
| prometheanfire | well, updated my calendar now at least | 21:30 |
| smcginnis | Google finally added UTC as a timezone. | 21:30 |
| prometheanfire | todoist added time zone support iirc as well | 21:31 |
| smcginnis | Yet another task tracking tool for me to start but not fully adopt and randomly come back to between trying to revive my other todo tool usage. :D | 21:33 |
| prometheanfire | I've found it the most robust | 21:34 |
| smcginnis | Maybe next time I decide to give a new one a shot I'll try it out. One of them eventually has to stick, right? :D | 21:35 |
| prometheanfire | No. You will only have the option to choose your current time zone unless the time zone has already been set by someone else, in that case you’ll also have the option to keep the task’s current time zone. | 21:35 |
| prometheanfire | maybe not :( | 21:35 |
| prometheanfire | iirc isn't it in the blacklist or something? | 21:38 |
| prometheanfire | ya | 21:38 |
| smcginnis | Neutron? | 21:38 |
| prometheanfire | smcginnis: we'd have to remove neutron from blacklist.txt I think | 21:38 |
| smcginnis | Bah! Missed that. | 21:38 |
| prometheanfire | knew there was a reason :D | 21:38 |
| smcginnis | prometheanfire: Or is that comment above there meaning to say that we want them blacklisted so intermediary updates don't get proposed and someone has to update it at release time? | 21:39 |
| prometheanfire | I'm not sure I agree with adding the uc to master, but we can discuss that in the review, stable branches seem more ok | 21:40 |
| smcginnis | Though that does make it really risky for plugins that use it as a lib. | 21:40 |
| smcginnis | But that's just a bad idea anyway. | 21:40 |
| prometheanfire | blacklist means we don't pay attention if a project has it, I suspect it ALSO means we don't include it in upper-constraints | 21:40 |
| prometheanfire | so, one file, two purposes | 21:40 |
| smcginnis | stein is broken for some without it there. I'd be fine skipping master and telling them to fix it. Shouldn't be doing that anyway. Those plugins are pretty fragile otherwise. | 21:40 |
| prometheanfire | ya, I'm fine with stable branches being 'fixed' | 21:41 |
| smcginnis | I did verify it made openstack-tox-docs finally with this patch https://review.opendev.org/697338 | 21:41 |
| smcginnis | Had me confused for awhile why the docs job was failing but nothing else. | 21:41 |
| rm_work | ok so parsing all that... path forward is ... ? | 21:44 |
| smcginnis | Sorry, mixing two different neutron issues. | 21:45 |
| rm_work | lol | 21:45 |
| smcginnis | rm_work: I think for yours - someone needs to fix the py2 unicode handling in neutron. | 21:45 |
| rm_work | k | 21:45 |
| prometheanfire | ^+ | 21:45 |
| prometheanfire | ya | 21:45 |
| rm_work | ooooooor | 21:45 |
| rm_work | hear me out | 21:45 |
| rm_work | we drop cross-*-py2 in the g-r checks? :D | 21:46 |
| smcginnis | That's it! That's what I was going to bring up in the meeting! :D | 21:46 |
| prometheanfire | iirc we don't do that til a later phase? | 21:46 |
| rm_work | non-voting? | 21:46 |
| prometheanfire | I'm fine killing py2 with fire though | 21:46 |
| smcginnis | burn baby burn | 21:46 |
| smcginnis | I think the only issue is libs aren't able to drop py2 support until m-2. | 21:47 |
| smcginnis | So we risk making a requirements update that breaks one of them ahead of schedule. | 21:47 |
| rm_work | i am kinda almost liking the sort of spreading breakage that's happening as individual stuff starts dropping py2 and things begin to fail | 21:47 |
| smcginnis | But it is a PITA to have to deal with this now knowing that we ultimately don't care and that the broken code will be going away. | 21:47 |
| rm_work | because of how interconnected everything is... | 21:47 |
| prometheanfire | yep | 21:47 |
| smcginnis | That may be what it is. Neutron might have make a py3-compatible only change since they are done with py2. | 21:48 |
| smcginnis | But we are still testing with py2 to make sure other things are not broken. | 21:48 |
| prometheanfire | I think the order of operations should be we relax py2 tests, then libs can drop py2 without 'breaking' gate, then service projects can drop py2 as well | 21:48 |
| smcginnis | Honestly, I think we are going to be forced into having a hell week or something where we just break all the gates and drop py2. | 21:48 |
| rm_work | i don't think the existing plan is going to hold up to contact with the enemy | 21:49 |
| prometheanfire | it's ping pong between service and libs | 21:49 |
| smcginnis | prometheanfire: I think the plan is the opposite. | 21:49 |
| smcginnis | Services can drop py2 first, then libs. | 21:49 |
| smcginnis | Cause libs can't really drop it without breaking all the services. | 21:49 |
| prometheanfire | but stuff that uses services as libs break | 21:49 |
| prometheanfire | so makes sense | 21:49 |
| rm_work | in this case, we're testing py2 against *services* | 21:50 |
| smcginnis | But the reality is that things are more circular than that, so we're slowly headed towards a cliff. | 21:50 |
| rm_work | which obviously isn't going to continue to work | 21:50 |
| rm_work | and yes, it's all a giant web of interconnected insanity | 21:50 |
| smcginnis | Right. Though how else do we actually exercise the libs? | 21:50 |
| rm_work | hopes and dreams? | 21:50 |
| smcginnis | +1 :) | 21:50 |
| prometheanfire | well, smcginnis's plan works in theory, the problem is those projects that do things we told them not to do | 21:51 |
| rm_work | i think the reality is going to be more like: this cycle py2 is going to break for your project at some point, and you're just gonna have to fix it ... good luck and godspeed | 21:51 |
| prometheanfire | I'm in favor of saying tough luck to them and dropping py2, since the project dropped it | 21:51 |
| smcginnis | prometheanfire: I think we're really going to have to. | 21:51 |
| smcginnis | We know the jobs are going to break. | 21:52 |
| prometheanfire | yep | 21:52 |
| smcginnis | We've already been talking about ripping out six in cinder, so that's a full stop there. | 21:52 |
| prometheanfire | we could drop it all now and say, 'if py2 works, lucky you, if not, fix it yourself if you care' :D | 21:52 |
| rm_work | yeah the solution at this point to have working gates is either: get neutron to fix something with py2 that they dropped and aren't gating against so it might just break again; or ... don't test it | 21:52 |
| rm_work | so, let's remove at LEAST the cross-neutron-py27 gate? | 21:54 |
| rm_work | i don't know if we should just remove *-py27 or case by case as they drop off | 21:54 |
| rm_work | one is obviously less of a PITA | 21:54 |
| smcginnis | I'd say drop *-py27. Post to the ML that there is no centralized requirements gating on it now and leave it up to those that care to validate it on their own. | 21:55 |
| prometheanfire | ya | 21:55 |
| rm_work | kk | 21:55 |
| smcginnis | Requirements is called out as the last step here in milestone-3: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/selected/ussuri/drop-py27.html | 21:55 |
| smcginnis | But I don't think that was thought through. | 21:56 |
| prometheanfire | more reality has had time to sink in since then | 21:56 |
| smcginnis | Or at least doesn't refer to gating requirements on those jobs if everyone else has already dropped py2 support. | 21:56 |
| prometheanfire | so, do we want to just make them non-voting? I don't see the point if we EXPECT them to fail randomly | 21:58 |
| rm_work | i have a patch... :D | 21:58 |
| prometheanfire | requirements-tox-py27-check-uc should stay I think | 21:58 |
| prometheanfire | I have one as well | 21:59 |
| rm_work | heh ok | 21:59 |
| rm_work | if you want | 21:59 |
| rm_work | mine dropped that too | 22:00 |
| rm_work | i was just finalizing my commit message but | 22:00 |
| rm_work | you can go for it | 22:00 |
| prometheanfire | sure | 22:00 |
| smcginnis | Make sure to keep the swift job. | 22:01 |
| rm_work | ah? | 22:01 |
| smcginnis | They are the only ones that have declared they are not dropping py2 support, and they don't have any dependencies on common openstack libs. | 22:01 |
| smcginnis | I think we all were eager to write that patch. ;) | 22:01 |
| rm_work | lol | 22:02 |
| smcginnis | Should probably use the "drop-py27-support" topic too so it shows up when anyone filters by the goal tag. | 22:02 |
| prometheanfire | yep | 22:03 |
| rm_work | i'm just sitting here waiting to hit enter on git-review if you don't :D | 22:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Thode proposed openstack/requirements master: Remove most python-2.7 jobs https://review.opendev.org/697377 | 22:05 |
| rm_work | there we go | 22:05 |
| prometheanfire | will need to update topic | 22:05 |
| smcginnis | Matches what I had. ;) | 22:06 |
| prometheanfire | :D | 22:06 |
| rm_work | ah cool, well i'd missed the cross-jobs.yaml, so whatev | 22:06 |
| smcginnis | We can probably drop our own openstack-tox-py27 job since we run all of our tools under py3 now. | 22:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/requirements master: Switch to ussuri job templates https://review.opendev.org/697378 | 22:12 |
| prometheanfire | probably | 22:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/requirements master: Switch to ussuri job templates https://review.opendev.org/697378 | 22:13 |
| prometheanfire | mail sent | 22:14 |
| smcginnis | Looks good. | 22:17 |
| prometheanfire | we are going through something similiar in gentoo | 22:18 |
| prometheanfire | stablizing 3.7 at the same time | 22:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/requirements master: update constraint for os-traits to new release 2.0.0 https://review.opendev.org/697259 | 22:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/requirements master: update constraint for octavia-lib to new release 1.5.0 https://review.opendev.org/697359 | 22:27 |
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| rm_work | ah thanks, i was just going to do that rebase | 23:18 |
| rm_work | but you're way ahead of me :D | 23:18 |
| rm_work | looking forward to +Ws on those shortly ^_^ | 23:38 |
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| prometheanfire | tonyb[m]: mind looking at https://review.opendev.org/697377 ? | 23:56 |
| tonyb[m] | Oh I need to think about that one | 23:58 |
| prometheanfire | :D | 23:59 |
| prometheanfire | kk, just wanted to bring it up | 23:59 |
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