| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements master: update constraint for oslo.middleware to new release 3.37.0 https://review.openstack.org/622478 | 01:07 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: Well in the past we've just said "no, you've done this to yourself", but that isn't a very pragmatic outcome as it make testing those branch/distros. | 02:41 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: so I'm prepared to be more flexible there as long as a) the follow the Extended Maintenance policy b) Show that the version they pick will work with all the 'supported' distros, and c) make an attempt to engage with nova to verify that the version matches expectations on $branch | 02:43 |
| prometheanfire | c. tonyb: I talked to nova and they said it's fine, maybe not for ocata due to lack of testing | 02:51 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: sure, but that wont work for CentOS | 02:52 |
| prometheanfire | b. I don't think we do that NOW, so it's probably not easy to do for them, though it is something we should care about | 02:52 |
| prometheanfire | a. afaik it is following the policy because 'broken gets an exception' I don't think there's an exception for self inflicted harm | 02:53 |
| prometheanfire | osa does have jobs for 'the supported distros' though, so an experimental cross test with them could help | 02:54 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: You're right that we don't do any of this now because now we just say "No" and either -2 or abandon the change | 02:57 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: What I'm describing is what it will take for me to evaluate this and be more flexible | 02:58 |
| prometheanfire | k | 02:59 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: last time we had Ubuntu asking for version $x and CentOS asking for version $y and both saying that the other wouldn't work for them | 02:59 |
| tonyb | so if we took one we'd break the other | 02:59 |
| tonyb | I don't see how we can do that | 02:59 |
| prometheanfire | heh, ya | 02:59 |
| tonyb | then it all gets too hard and we move on | 02:59 |
| prometheanfire | ya, from what I know, newer versions of libvirt-python generally work with older versions of libvirt, but needs testing/verification | 03:00 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: Yes that's the statement from the libvirt team | 03:00 |
| tonyb | Which I think I stuff ed in my comment | 03:00 |
| tonyb | #rats | 03:01 |
| prometheanfire | lol | 03:01 |
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| prometheanfire | tonyb: did you flag the neutron-grenade review or something (or did I hit a key in gertty)? | 03:47 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: I -1'd the requirements change and uploaded the grenade chnages but nothign else | 03:48 |
| prometheanfire | must have hit something then | 03:48 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: Okay | 03:49 |
| prometheanfire | ah, it's a held flag | 03:49 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/requirements master: update constraint for oslo.policy to new release 1.43.0 https://review.openstack.org/622820 | 04:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/requirements master: Updated from generate-constraints https://review.openstack.org/622855 | 06:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements master: update constraint for neutron-lib to new release 1.21.0 https://review.openstack.org/622395 | 10:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements master: Change openstack-dev to openstack-discuss https://review.openstack.org/622118 | 12:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements master: update constraint for oslo.log to new release 3.42.0 https://review.openstack.org/622508 | 13:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tom Barron proposed openstack/requirements stable/rocky: Bump libvirt-python requirement to 4.8.0 https://review.openstack.org/622262 | 13:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements master: Updated from generate-constraints https://review.openstack.org/622012 | 19:45 |
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| prometheanfire | !startmeeting requirements | 20:30 |
| openstack | prometheanfire: Error: "startmeeting" is not a valid command. | 20:30 |
| prometheanfire | #startmeeting requirements | 20:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 5 20:30:26 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is prometheanfire. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 20:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 20:30 |
| prometheanfire | #topic rollcall | 20:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 20:30 | |
| tonyb | \o | 20:30 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb, prometheanfire, number80, dirk, coolsvap, toabctl, smcginnis, dhellmann ping | 20:30 |
| prometheanfire | o/ | 20:30 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 20:32 |
| prometheanfire | #topic Any controversies in the Queue? | 20:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Any controversies in the Queue? (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 20:32 | |
| smcginnis | Is everything failing controversial? | 20:32 |
| prometheanfire | well, bot update just passed, but ya, general failures seem to be more common | 20:33 |
| smcginnis | Nothing specific that I'm aware of. | 20:33 |
| * tonyb doesn't have time to do a regression analysis to see if things are more filure prone now than normal | 20:34 | |
| prometheanfire | nor I, I'll look closer as I can though | 20:34 |
| * smcginnis is travelling this week and next | 20:34 | |
| tonyb | smcginnis: safe travels | 20:35 |
| smcginnis | Thanks. Didn't start out well with 8 hours of delays. | 20:35 |
| smcginnis | But made it | 20:35 |
| tonyb | smcginnis: yck 8 hours :( | 20:35 |
| prometheanfire | smcginnis: seems to be going around :( | 20:35 |
| tonyb | So the only controversies I'm aware of is/are the libvirt updates | 20:36 |
| tonyb | but I think they're mostly in hand just gotta work the details | 20:37 |
| prometheanfire | ya, that's handled for now I think | 20:37 |
| tonyb | Oh I guess tornado (https://review.openstack.org/616922) is probably on the list | 20:37 |
| prometheanfire | that's a good one | 20:38 |
| smcginnis | Oh yeah. It was already an indirect requirement, right? So I figured that would be OK to add. | 20:39 |
| prometheanfire | not sure what extra there is to say there, we haven't been given reason to add it | 20:39 |
| prometheanfire | an indirect req (dep of dep) is auto included in our uc updates | 20:39 |
| prometheanfire | we don't need it for gr (only if it's a direct dep) | 20:40 |
| smcginnis | So ideally we would like the monasca-analytics folks to change the way they are exposing their web service? | 20:41 |
| tonyb | Yeah It's probably safe from a co-installability POV but I don't understand why we need another framework | 20:41 |
| tonyb | smcginnis: Or provide a really compelling reason for why the existing frameworks can't work | 20:42 |
| smcginnis | Sounds like they were already using it, but would be great to at least get a response from them on the feasibility of switching to be more consistent with other projects. | 20:42 |
| prometheanfire | first question is if monasca-analytics wants to be co-installable, second would be why are they using something not covered if they answered yes to 1 | 20:42 |
| prometheanfire | yep | 20:42 |
| tonyb | smcginnis: I think they're *trying* to use it (as in they have a review that uses it but it can't merge because it isn't in g-r | 20:43 |
| prometheanfire | ah, that makes more sense (and makes be fell better), I would prefer something like flask though (your comment was good in that respect) | 20:43 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, I think you're right. Then this is probably a good time to redirec them to a different framework.. | 20:43 |
| dirk | Which framework are they trying to use? | 20:45 |
| prometheanfire | tornado | 20:45 |
| * tonyb assumes dirk lost connectivity on the train ;P | 20:50 | |
| smcginnis | Or he really, really doesn't like tornado. | 20:50 |
| smcginnis | Anyway, I think we at least need a response from that team on that request. | 20:51 |
| smcginnis | Kind of disappointing they have been silent since those comments. | 20:51 |
| tonyb | smcginnis: It is but it's also the Monasca way | 20:51 |
| dirk | prometheanfire: thanks. Sorry git disconnected | 20:53 |
| * tonyb was right! (at least sorta) | 20:55 | |
| dirk | I can try getting an answer on the tornado topic tomorrow | 20:56 |
| tonyb | dirk: That'd be great | 20:59 |
| dirk | Is there a resolution on flask from the tc to point to? | 21:01 |
| smcginnis | I don't believe so. | 21:03 |
| smcginnis | Just precendent by other projects. | 21:03 |
| smcginnis | *precedent | 21:03 |
| dirk | Right, I guess the reasoning will be around the special needs which require tornado | 21:06 |
| dirk | I might find out | 21:06 |
| tonyb | dirk: Yeah if there is a really compleeing reason we can evaluate that but using one of the allready available frameworks woudl be good | 21:07 |
| dirk | Agreed | 21:08 |
| tonyb | Okay anything else on controversies ? | 21:08 |
| prometheanfire | sorry, got distracted here | 21:10 |
| prometheanfire | #topic open floor | 21:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open floor (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 21:10 | |
| prometheanfire | iirc tornado code can be a bit harder to debug | 21:11 |
| * tonyb doesn't really have anything for open floor | 21:11 | |
| prometheanfire | #endmeeting | 21:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Requirements - IRC meetngs on Wednesdays @ 07:00 UTC in here in #openstack-requirements - See agenda @ http://tinyurl.com/h44ryuw - IRC channel is *LOGGED* @ http://tinyurl.com/j38rk24" | 21:11 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 5 21:11:52 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:11 |
| prometheanfire | wfm | 21:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2018/requirements.2018-12-05-20.30.html | 21:11 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2018/requirements.2018-12-05-20.30.txt | 21:11 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2018/requirements.2018-12-05-20.30.log.html | 21:11 |
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