Thursday, 2019-07-11

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mriedemsmcginnis: thanks re https://review.opendev.org/#/c/669014/00:00
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openstackgerritThierry Carrez proposed openstack/releases master: List deliverables not released since given date  https://review.opendev.org/66918608:46
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Switch to ruamel for yaml handling  https://review.opendev.org/66971709:00
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Skip branch checking on EOL deliverables  https://review.opendev.org/66974509:09
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: release openstack/ansible-role-chrony 1.0.1  https://review.opendev.org/66971609:13
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Release os-brick 2.9.1  https://review.opendev.org/66976809:13
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Add oslo.limit deliverable  https://review.opendev.org/66991409:16
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Release cinderclient 4.2.1  https://review.opendev.org/66976309:16
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Release cinder 14.0.1  https://review.opendev.org/66977109:16
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Release OpenStack-Ansible Stein RC4  https://review.opendev.org/67009909:19
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Release os-brick 2.8.2  https://review.opendev.org/66976709:24
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Release os-brick 2.5.8  https://review.opendev.org/66976509:28
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smcginnisttx: Did I miss something on that YAML 1.2 patch or did you? :)11:50
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* ttx looks again12:00
ttxAh yes. Fooled by the longeth of the modified file list12:00
ttxlength*12:01
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smcginnisYeah, there were a few files in that one. ;)13:14
ttxThe validation job must be very happy about that13:15
ttxsmcginnis: do you mind chairing the meeting today? I'll have chaired the TC meeting already13:15
smcginnisttx: Yeah, I can do that.13:16
ttxAgenda should be ready on the tracking etherpad13:16
smcginnisThanks!13:17
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases master: train: release python-novaclient 14.2.0  https://review.opendev.org/67034516:17
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smcginnis#startmeeting releaseteam19:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 11 19:00:00 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
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ttxohai19:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam'19:00
smcginnisNailed it!19:00
smcginnisping - ttx dhellmann diablo_rojo hberaud evrardjp armstrong19:00
armstrongo/19:00
smcginnis#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/train-relmgt-tracking Agenda19:00
fungialoha19:00
smcginnisOK, I guess we can get going.19:01
smcginnisI will be your substitute tonyb for the today.19:01
ttxmissing the accent tho19:01
smcginnisWe are around line 227 in the etherpad.19:02
smcginnis;)19:02
smcginnis#topic Train membership freeze preparation19:02
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smcginnis#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/train-membership-freeze19:02
ttxOK so I ran the analysis in preparation for the freeze next week19:02
ttxerr, week after19:02
diablo_rojoo/19:02
ttx#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/train-membership-freeze19:02
ttxOn that page you can see Deliverables declared in governance but missing a train deliverable file19:03
ttxFor those, their PTLs/release liaisons need to decide whether to make it a part of Train or not19:03
ttx(4 actions possible, listed at the top)19:03
smcginnisNot directly related, but I wonder if we need to raise concerns about ajutant to teh TC.19:03
ttxWe can find a bunch of things that were skipped in stein already19:04
ttxincluding Adjutant yes19:04
ttxThe "new" ones are probably just oversights19:04
ttxSo the way we do this is generally to engage with PTLs/liaisons on those and ask19:04
smcginnisDo we need to be as concerned about the tempest plugins?19:05
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Release python-keystoneclient 3.20.0  https://review.opendev.org/67018719:05
ttxAnd for those with no solution once we hit milestnoe-2, we just skip in Train19:05
ttxsmcginnis: tempest plugin we could automatically set to cycle-automatic19:05
ttxsince that is what we did to the others19:05
ttxHelm we can also safely skip, since it would be independent if ever released19:06
smcginnisThat would make sense to me.19:06
ttxIt's the other we need to engage with19:06
ttxNot sure how to best engage19:06
ttxWe can split teh list by affinity19:07
smcginnisML? Or should we try to ping some like TheJulia for the Ironic ones?19:07
ttxor just dump a bunch of emails on -discuss19:07
ttxand EmilienM on TripleO19:07
ttxI propose a first round of IRC pings today/tomorrow, followed by emails early next week19:08
ttxhmm unless that was material for the next release countdown19:08
diablo_rojoSounds like a solid plan to me.19:08
smcginnisI think we've had better responses with more directed posts to openstack-discuss.19:08
smcginnisShould we split these up? Or have one volunteer handle them all since it will mostly be cut and paste?19:09
ttxactually we planned to mention those in next countdown19:09
ttxso maybe informal pings until then19:09
smcginnisOK, we can just go with that plan for now. Then if we don't get a response, follow up with directed posts and more pings afterwards.19:10
smcginnisWe at least have the data, so thanks ttx for putting that together.19:10
smcginnisAnything more on this for now then?19:10
diablo_rojoI can help ping some people19:10
diablo_rojoI'll throw my name down on some in the etherpad19:11
smcginnisGreat, I think IRC is probably the most likely way to get a response.19:11
ttxThe other big thing is generating the list of intermediary-released services that haven't done a release yet. Remind teams that intermediary-released services that have not done a release by milestone-2 should be switched to the cycle-with-rc model.19:11
diablo_rojosmcginnis, yep :) That was the plan.19:11
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Release os-brick 2.3.8  https://review.opendev.org/66976419:11
ttxMy patch has updated instructions for that19:11
ttxhttps://review.opendev.org/#/c/669186/2/doc/source/reference/process.rst19:12
smcginnisAnd IIRC, Tony had at least the start of updates to make that easier to script?19:12
ttxdunno, just updated the list command19:12
smcginnisOh, I think I was thinking of yours.19:12
ttxthe idea being to publish the list for the next countdown email19:12
ttxbut that data can be generated when the email needs to be sent19:13
ttxso that is all19:13
smcginnisOK, thanks19:13
smcginnis#topic tempest-plugin releases19:14
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smcginnisI think I may have added this a couple weeks ago but we didn't have a meeting or something.19:14
smcginnisWe have a couple things going with tempest plugins.19:14
ttxyeah, I was wondering a bit too19:15
smcginnisThere's the work to make them automatic at the end of the cycle with the idea that they are just a flag to indicate what version of the plugin is meant for what version of tempest.19:15
ttxLooking at https://review.opendev.org/#/c/670172/ this morning19:15
smcginnisBut then there are some teams that are doing multiple releases and even stable releases of their plugins.19:15
smcginnisSo I think we need to decide how we really want to handle those things.19:15
ttxI /think/ what we did in the past is allow new releases on the latest branch19:15
ttxit's a bit weird because they have series, but no branch19:15
smcginnisttx: With the cycle-automatic changes, there's nothing that would prevent someone from doing their own releases ahead of time, right?19:16
ttxso "stein" is their master19:16
smcginnisYeah, good point about no stable branch.19:16
fungithe plugins are in their own repos separate from the services they're testing, right?19:16
smcginnisYep19:16
ttxsmcginnis: no, they would just alter the release model atr the same time they are doing release19:16
ttxIt's just a "default" model in case they don't19:16
fungii thought the idea was tempest plugin repos would remain branchless like tempest itself?19:16
ttxfungi: yes, but they still have "stein" deliverables19:17
fungiahh, i see19:17
smcginnisOK, so if we set them to automatic and then they decide they want to do a milestone-2 release, they would just have to switch over to cycle-with-intermediary - right?19:17
ttxyes19:17
ttxfungi: so you can't do a new... rocky release say19:17
ttxbut at this point you can either do another stein release, or the first train release19:18
fungii guess there's no explicit metadata right now to indicate intentionally branchless repos?19:18
fungior is there?19:18
ttxnothing except the fact that they have no stable branch in an "old" series19:18
ttxIt's always been a bit of a one-off19:18
smcginnisWhen the idea of even tagging tempest plugins was raised on the ML, it was very much opposed by some.19:19
ttxBut every time I dive into it, the can of worms ends up eating me alive19:19
ttxand I just defer to someone that knows better19:19
ttxSo yeah, the reality is, they are more of a single channel, with a pointer having the name of the series19:19
smcginnisTheoretically, and very of the plugin should work against any version of a deployment. It was more to make sure the plugins were compatible with the release of tempest itself being used.19:20
ttxinstead of muletiple stable channels19:20
smcginniss/and very/any version/19:20
smcginnisTyping not working well for me today.19:20
ttxWe could achieve the same with _independent + a documentation saying which version is to be used with which series19:20
smcginnisThat actually seems a little simpler. Though we lose some of the implicit documenation of seeing with cycle the release was part of by which deliverable it was in.19:21
smcginnisAnd it showing up in https://releases.openstack.org/stein/index.html#tempest-plugins19:21
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ttxalso I think tempest ends up magically using the right thing19:21
ttxso yeah... probably better to leave it alone19:21
smcginnisJust what I was thinking.19:22
smcginnisLet teams do extra releases if they feel a need for them.19:22
smcginnisSwitch the others to automatic for the ones that don't want to care or worry about it.19:22
ttxbut we should find a way to document this, because it confuses the hell out of me every time19:22
fungiright, if i recall the discussion (from... denver ptg ii?) it was that folks are runnnig older tempest releases for refstack/interop conformance and need to know what plugin versions to use with them19:22
smcginnisYeah, something like that.19:22
ttxSo we should approve https://review.opendev.org/#/c/670172/419:23
smcginnisI guess so.19:23
ttxdespite its confsing commit message, it's actually right19:23
* ttx +2s19:23
smcginnisSo it will show up under stein at least, just not on a stable/stein branch.19:24
smcginnisWhich sounds to be their intent.19:24
smcginnisAnd then they will do a release later for train.19:24
ttxyes. And we should definitely refuse a bump on an old series19:24
smcginnisAnd if they find something else they think they need in stein, that's just not going to be possible.19:24
ttxonce you start callign things train, you can't go back19:24
smcginnisOne way train.19:25
ttxslow clap19:25
smcginnis:P19:25
fungithis is why i was thinking if projects could be flagged that they're explicitly branchless, it gives you an opportunity to reject them via ci jobs when they try to bump older series (or accidentally add a branch parameter for that matter)19:25
ttxhttps://giphy.com/gifs/mlb-tips-jonathan-villar-ATlL0sKCXwsWk/fullscreen19:26
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smcginnisWe do reject branch requests on those.19:26
fungibut if it doesn't come up often, then maybe not worth the effort to automate19:26
smcginnisHaha, the gif game has made its way here too.19:26
ttxcan't put the gif game back into the bottle19:26
smcginnis:)19:27
smcginnisOK, so there's still confusion, but at least less confusion than before.19:27
smcginnisGood enough for now.19:27
smcginnisThose were the only two things on the agenda. Any other topics?19:27
ttxI'll likely miss next two meetings, so if you have questions on PROCESS tasks...19:28
ttxhttps://github.com/openstack/releases/blob/master/doc/source/reference/process.rst#between-milestone-1-and-milestone-219:28
ttxew19:28
smcginnisI am out the next two weeks as well.19:28
ttxdamnit google19:28
smcginnisShould be able to check in from time to time.19:28
ttxhttps://opendev.org/openstack/releases/src/branch/master/doc/source/reference/process.rst#between-milestone-1-and-milestone-219:29
ttxthere19:29
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ttxgot to prefer funky syntax highlight19:29
smcginnisIs Tony back next week?19:30
ttxyes19:30
smcginnisMost of those tasks are related to the countdown email, so as long as that gets sent.19:30
ttxAll tasks listed affect the email he needs to send19:30
ttxindeed19:31
ttxIt's an important one, since we need to warn people of what we'll do if they don;t act19:31
diablo_rojoSo should I just ping all the deliverables with missing deliverable file folks? Or does someone want half? :)19:31
ttxWe missed a couple warnings last milestones and that delayed the whole thing19:32
smcginnisMaybe we should all set reminders to remind Tony next week.19:32
ttxdiablo_rojo: I would just ping them on release channel, pointing them to the etherpad19:32
ttxIf they are not here, I would not chase them down19:32
fungii plan to just turn my entire to do list into reminders for tony next week ;)19:32
ttxThey can take the next train19:32
diablo_rojottx, noted19:33
diablo_rojocan do19:33
fungithe train with no name19:33
* fungi is, like neil young, riding through the desert on a train with no name19:33
ttxhttps://tenor.com/view/train-nowhere-gif-764160419:33
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diablo_rojohttp://gph.is/22ZevDy19:34
diablo_rojoread as 'no deliverable file'19:34
fungioh, hah, that song wasn't even neil young. certainly sounded like him though19:34
smcginnisHopefully not https://tenor.com/view/tight-tightfit-train-gif-490275019:35
smcginnisOK, anything else?19:35
ttxnope19:35
diablo_rojoNone from me19:35
smcginnisOK, thanks everyone.19:36
fungimy favorite train line terminus is the northbound blue in boston to "wonderland"19:36
smcginnis#endmeeting19:36
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smcginnisWas trying to find a gif related to the Star Trek holodeck episode for extra geek cred, but failed.19:36
fungiyour tony impression could do with some work, mate19:37
funginot nearly enough extra "u" in your words19:37
smcginnisHaha, true.19:38
smcginnisI never was good at impressions.19:38
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Release manila-tempest-plugin 0.3.0  https://review.opendev.org/67017219:46
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EmilienMttx: sorry I was afk20:45
EmilienMsmcginnis: ^ how can I help?20:46
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smcginnisEmilienM: Hey! We were just talking in the meeting about the milestone-2 cutoff for things to be included in the train release.20:54
smcginnishttps://releases.openstack.org/train/schedule.html#t-mf20:54
smcginnisttx ran a query to see what cycle-with-intermediary deliverables had not been released yet and there were a few TripleO ones.20:54
smcginnishttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/train-membership-freeze20:54
smcginnisAt the top there he put the four options for those.20:55
smcginnisI should correct myself, not cycle-with-intermediary.20:55
smcginnisRepos under governance that do not have a deliverable file in the deliverables/train folder yet.20:55
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EmilienMsmcginnis: I put notes in etherpad for tripleo21:31
EmilienMbut no releases are needed21:31
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smcginnisThanks EmilienM21:41
openstackgerritEric Fried proposed openstack/releases master: Release keystoneauth 3.15.0  https://review.opendev.org/67040021:49
openstackgerritEric Fried proposed openstack/releases master: Release keystoneauth 3.15.0  https://review.opendev.org/67040022:02
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