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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Oslo releases for 2019-05-29 https://review.opendev.org/662079 | 01:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Szumski proposed openstack/releases master: Release monasca-notification 1.14.1 https://review.opendev.org/662177 | 10:18 |
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| * tonyb looks around the room and wonders who's idea a 5am meeting was? | 18:52 | |
| tonyb | In related news 7mins from alarm going off to IRC .... | 18:56 |
| * tonyb might move the alarm to 0450 | 18:57 | |
| smcginnis | hah | 18:59 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I'm pretty sure my alarm for early meetings goes off like.. 7 min before time. | 19:00 |
| tonyb | #startmeeting releaseteam | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 30 19:00:27 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 19:00 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | ...or maybe I've shortened it to 4min. | 19:00 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | o/ | 19:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 19:00 |
| tonyb | :) | 19:01 |
| fungi | i should look into having my reminders fire 5 minutes early | 19:01 |
| smcginnis | tonyb: You were 27 seconds late today. | 19:01 |
| tonyb | smcginnis: true | 19:01 |
| fungi | being notified the second a meeting starts is probably suboptimal | 19:01 |
| tonyb | smcginnis: I'll do better next time | 19:01 |
| smcginnis | :D | 19:01 |
| smcginnis | fungi: That's why I like ping lists. ;) | 19:01 |
| fungi | oh, i got pinged as soon as the #startmeeting was added | 19:03 |
| tonyb | We're flying without an agenda today because I've been distracted | 19:03 |
| fungi | but my reminders fired at 19:00z on the dot too | 19:03 |
| tonyb | Next week is m-1 week | 19:04 |
| tonyb | We didn't have any tasks that needed to be done by m1 (well we pushed them back to m2) | 19:05 |
| tonyb | The only open one we have is https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2005702 | 19:05 |
| tonyb | which diablo_rojo_phon started | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Was waiting for feedback before going further | 19:06 |
| tonyb | but between kubecon and my questions I figure we should discuss it here | 19:06 |
| smcginnis | We have release requests for cycle-with-intermediary to do for m-1. | 19:06 |
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| tonyb | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/660781/ | 19:07 |
| smcginnis | Process doc also says send reminder about completing responses to community-wide goals, but I don't think we have those yet? | 19:07 |
| tonyb | smcginnis: Yeah I don't think they're decided on | 19:07 |
| tonyb | So, lets look at diablo_rojo's 660781 quuckly, then come back to the cycle-with-intermediary realeases | 19:09 |
| tonyb | smcginnis: Did you/can you look at the review? | 19:09 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Is there a better way to store that to be able to link to the accounts? ^ | 19:09 |
| smcginnis | I did look. It seems a little too... verbose. | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | I figured by adding the emails it would be easier to find/add them to reviews in gerrit | 19:10 |
| fungi | checking the change out | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | (I was pulling gerrit email addresses) | 19:10 |
| smcginnis | Not sure we need separate first and last name fields. And if we don't need a specific value to link to an account, then I'd rather see it all on one line and be able to have a list of them. | 19:10 |
| fungi | smcginnis: you want to be able to link to specific gerrit accounts? | 19:11 |
| smcginnis | Then maybe just name and email? | 19:11 |
| smcginnis | fungi: There was some talk about being able to automate adding folks to reviews. | 19:11 |
| fungi | e-mail should be all we need for that, and feed into a gerrit rest api query if you want | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | I figured the names would be nice for when we need to reach out to them directly | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | But I can make it just name and have first + last | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | instead of breaking it up | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | I just threw something together since I figured everyone would have an opinion about how it should look ;) | 19:12 |
| smcginnis | So I think something like: | 19:13 |
| smcginnis | liaisons: | 19:13 |
| smcginnis | - name: Elmer Fudd | 19:13 |
| tonyb | Like I said on the review I like name, email and IRC as data (and have the structure match the ptl record) | 19:13 |
| smcginnis | email: elmer@fudd.com | 19:13 |
| fungi | i'd need to fiddle with the gerrit rest api for a moment | 19:13 |
| smcginnis | - name: Bug Bunny | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | I can add irc nics too | 19:13 |
| smcginnis | email: carrots@bb.com | 19:13 |
| tonyb | that means we can do all the things nicely | 19:13 |
| fungi | https://review.opendev.org/accounts/fungi@yuggoth.org | 19:14 |
| fungi | that should work even anonymously | 19:14 |
| tonyb | yeah that's what I do already | 19:14 |
| tonyb | fungi: acctually ... https://review.opendev.org/accounts/?q=fungi@yuggoth.org | 19:14 |
| fungi | both work for me | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo | SO the next question is do we want them all in a single liaisons file? | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Or to be in the deliverable files like we originally said? | 19:15 |
| smcginnis | fungi's has the advantage that all we would actually need is an email address. The results of the query has everything else we need. | 19:15 |
| smcginnis | Well, I guess not IRC nick. | 19:15 |
| fungi | tonyb: yours just gets you the account id number, while mine gets you name and stuff | 19:15 |
| tonyb | True | 19:16 |
| fungi | smcginnis: we have an osf rest api for that which can also be queried by e-mail address if that's preferred | 19:16 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Are we going to track per release cycle, or just current state? We've always done current state, which would mean separately. | 19:16 |
| tonyb | append '&o=DEATAILS' to mine to get them | 19:16 |
| fungi | granted, it requires people to set up an openstack.org profile and include an irc nick in their profile | 19:16 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, how much churn is there from cycle to cycle? | 19:16 |
| fungi | we use that in the openstack technical election tooling | 19:16 |
| diablo_rojo | If its a small to 0 number I would say current state | 19:16 |
| tonyb | fungi: I was planning to borrow a small amount of that code ;P | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | heh | 19:17 |
| smcginnis | Small, but I would say especially if it was large we would want to do current state. | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | ...so single file? | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Where do we want that to live? | 19:18 |
| tonyb | I'm not sure we need to do the lookup in gerrit if it's user supplied data, we can just add that to the git-review command | 19:18 |
| fungi | so anyway, there are places folks could manage their names and irc nicks independently and all the release liaisons list would need is e-mail addresses | 19:18 |
| * tonyb likes next to series status | 19:18 | |
| tonyb | fungi: Yeah true | 19:19 |
| smcginnis | tonyb: That would seem like a logical place for it. | 19:19 |
| tonyb | so chnage the task from 'add liasions to delivererable files' to 'add liasions to releases repo and deprecate wiki' | 19:20 |
| tonyb | and add them all to deliverables/release_liasions.yaml ? | 19:20 |
| diablo_rojo | works for me | 19:21 |
| smcginnis | That sounds reasonable to me. | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | and we do or dont want nick with name and email? | 19:21 |
| smcginnis | Sounded like all we needed was email. | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | All we need yes, but do we want anything else? | 19:22 |
| tonyb | All we need is email, can we see what it looks like with all 3? | 19:22 |
| tonyb | in the wiki at the monment we have name and IRC | 19:23 |
| diablo_rojo | I can throw together a mock up for review | 19:23 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: thanks | 19:23 |
| * tonyb dislikes data duplication but likes the consistency | 19:24 | |
| diablo_rojo | Okay so I have my plan to move forward then :) | 19:24 |
| tonyb | \o/ | 19:24 |
| tonyb | So I'm on the hook to to do the c-w-i releases next week | 19:26 |
| tonyb | process.rst is pretty clear on what's needed so I'll use that to re-test the new automation tools and then upload them again too | 19:26 |
| * smcginnis is afraid we are going to find a lot of broken repos due to requirements updates | 19:26 | |
| tonyb | smcginnis: You mean like sphinx or like the constraints URLs? | 19:29 |
| smcginnis | Sphinx and ones like that. | 19:30 |
| smcginnis | I've seen a lot of updates, but I'm sure there are still some lingering. | 19:30 |
| tonyb | :( | 19:32 |
| tonyb | I was kinda assuming that $projects would have landed those chnages if they were blocking merging any code but maybe I'm over stating/simplifying the problem | 19:33 |
| smcginnis | The active ones should all be good. There's a bunch of low volume repos that might not have noticed it yet. | 19:33 |
| tonyb | Perhaps is they're low volume they wont need a release? | 19:35 |
| * tonyb hopes | 19:35 | |
| smcginnis | True | 19:35 |
| tonyb | so *if* we have a bunch that can't release ... and need one what do we do? | 19:36 |
| tonyb | I don't want to sign us up for another pike-em style event that took too long | 19:36 |
| smcginnis | I guess not much we can do other than notify the teams that they have an issue. Worse case scenario, I think we skip them for m-1 and pick them up at m-2. | 19:38 |
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| tonyb | So get the reviews out there *early* so we can see how bad it is and inform the teams | 19:39 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, that might be a good idea. | 19:39 |
| fungi | if software is perpetually unreleasable, that's worth reporting to the tc | 19:40 |
| fungi | i don't feel like it ought to be the release team's job to fix projects so they're able to have releases | 19:40 |
| fungi | so i agree, let teams know their software has a problem and to submit a new release request when they resolve it | 19:41 |
| fungi | if they don't, pretty sure the tc members will appreciate a heads up | 19:41 |
| smcginnis | Good idea to share that info with the tc too. | 19:41 |
| tonyb | fungi, smcginnis: we can do that | 19:42 |
| fungi | the release team already has plenty of responsibilities without also being babysitters | 19:42 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 19:43 |
| diablo_rojo | ++ | 19:43 |
| smcginnis | I would probably try to pick up some of those, but still shouldn't be expected from the release team. | 19:43 |
| tonyb | Yeah | 19:43 |
| tonyb | I probably will too but perhaps we shoudl add a footer to the commit message "We're doign this because we're nice ... y'all should've done this already" | 19:44 |
| tonyb | #joking | 19:44 |
| smcginnis | Haha, yep. ;) | 19:46 |
| fungi | "because you couldn't be bothered to fix your stuff..." ;) | 19:46 |
| tonyb | :) | 19:46 |
| tonyb | okay so that's the stuff I think we have to talk about ... anything more open? | 19:47 |
| diablo_rojo | Do enough emoticons make it okay? | 19:47 |
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| smcginnis | :) | 19:50 |
| tonyb | Maybe? perhaps fake xml tags <message mode='joking'> .... </message> ;P | 19:50 |
| smcginnis | Nothing else from me. | 19:50 |
| smcginnis | mode='jokingnotjoking' | 19:51 |
| fungi | don't forget, gerrit maintenance for project renames commencing at 17:00z tomorrow | 19:51 |
| fungi | 15:00z | 19:51 |
| fungi | fingers | 19:51 |
| smcginnis | Ah, right. Thanks | 19:51 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Is that just doing the renames? | 19:51 |
| fungi | yeah, and the gerrit restart will also (in theory) fix the "gitweb" links to go to the opendev gitea | 19:52 |
| tonyb | fungi: It's thursday for you right? | 19:52 |
| * tonyb tries to translate "tomorrow" | 19:53 | |
| fungi | tonyb: yes, but any time i say "tomorrow" i always mean "tomorrow utc" | 19:53 |
| fungi | so 2019-05-31 15:00 utc | 19:53 |
| tonyb | okay I wont be near a computer then | 19:53 |
| diablo_rojo | tonyb, fungi operates in UTC. | 19:54 |
| fungi | you will hopefully be having a nice sleep in on a lazy saturday | 19:54 |
| tonyb | That's Saturday and I have brekfast plans ;P | 19:54 |
| fungi | oh, or breakkie, sure | 19:54 |
| tonyb | fungi: "sleep in" my daughter is an early riser ... so I'll be up at 6 ... maybe 7 if I'm lucky | 19:54 |
| tonyb | okay I think we're done | 19:55 |
| fungi | oof, my sympathies | 19:55 |
| fungi | thanks tonyb! it always helps to know that it's friday somewhere even if that somewhere isn't here yet | 19:55 |
| diablo_rojo | tonyb, it will fade when she gets to be a teenager ;) | 19:56 |
| tonyb | :) | 19:56 |
| smcginnis | tonyb: There were many years where we were lucky if our oldest daughter would sleep in until 6. I know how that goes. | 19:56 |
| tonyb | #endmeeting | 19:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Release Managers office - Come here to discuss how to release OpenStack components - Logged at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-release/" | 19:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 30 19:56:12 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2019/releaseteam.2019-05-30-19.00.html | 19:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2019/releaseteam.2019-05-30-19.00.txt | 19:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2019/releaseteam.2019-05-30-19.00.log.html | 19:56 |
| tonyb | I'm sure it will get better | 19:56 |
| * tonyb contemplated saving the close until 20:00:27 ;P | 19:57 | |
| smcginnis | Hah! | 19:57 |
| fungi | i think esr would say, #endmeeting early and often | 19:59 |
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| clarkb | any idea if we've tried any releases of js tooling since that made zuul unhappy? | 20:08 |
| clarkb | this is on my check in periodically to make sure we really fixed it list | 20:08 |
| fungi | if you're talking about the thing that broke tripleo-ui and the like back before the summit, it's been addressed and the affected jobs rerun | 20:09 |
| fungi | though i've drank away the branicells which held the details of what the problem was and how we fixed it | 20:10 |
| smcginnis | clarkb: That would be any horizon plugins, right? | 20:18 |
| smcginnis | I believe we did a release of one of those right after the fix went in and no issues. | 20:18 |
| clarkb | smcginnis: ya tripleo-ui was the one that hit it last iirc | 20:19 |
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| clarkb | fungi: oh did we rerun the jobs? | 20:19 |
| clarkb | fungi: I fixed the issue in zuul. Wanted to make sure we had tested the fix though and didn't think we had rerun the jobs | 20:19 |
| clarkb | since the publish one had succeeded and it was just the email that failed or something like that | 20:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/releases master: WIP:Add Liaisons to Deliverables File https://review.opendev.org/660781 | 20:21 |
| fungi | it's been months now so i really don't recall much | 20:21 |
| diablo_rojo | tonyb, smcginnis fungi ^^ | 20:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Switched to the single file with three fields | 20:22 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Looks good! | 20:22 |
| diablo_rojo | I might have to do a little more tweaking for when there are more than one liaison but its trivial | 20:22 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, thanks :) | 20:22 |
| smcginnis | I guess the only question is if we want to make it so we can list multiple liaisons. | 20:23 |
| clarkb | in any case seems we've likely tested it via other horizon plugins | 20:23 |
| clarkb | if not the tripleo-ui job reruns | 20:23 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah I can definitely change that smcginnis I thought about that the second after I pushed the patch lol | 20:23 |
| smcginnis | clarkb: I think so. Probably safe to take it off of your follow up list. | 20:23 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: There's just one or two on the wiki that list more than one person, IIRC. | 20:23 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, not currently unless I am blind | 20:24 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh wait | 20:24 |
| diablo_rojo | Oslo | 20:24 |
| diablo_rojo | and Nova | 20:24 |
| diablo_rojo | I can make the people in a list per project easily enough | 20:24 |
| smcginnis | https://gph.is/2gpWIVK | 20:25 |
| smcginnis | Er, https://media.giphy.com/media/K0Hy2NwI8IXZK/giphy.gif | 20:26 |
| smcginnis | :D | 20:26 |
| * diablo_rojo is going to drop off for the night, but I look forward to patch comments tomorrow | 20:27 | |
| smcginnis | Goodnight diablo_rojo | 20:27 |
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| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, have a good rest of your Thursday :) | 20:27 |
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