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| chem | hi, we need to cut a stable/queens branch for openstack/tripleo-upgrade, could someone points me in the right direction on how to proceed ? | 12:51 |
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| chem | is this just a matter of "git branch stable/queens <sha> && git push gerrit stable/queens" ? | 12:53 |
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| rosmaita | chem: https://github.com/openstack/releases#requesting-a-branch | 13:10 |
| chem | rosmaita: thanks | 13:12 |
| rosmaita | np | 13:12 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 13:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: update propose-final-releases to work with object model classes https://review.openstack.org/550968 | 13:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: update list-deliverables to use object model classes https://review.openstack.org/550969 | 13:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: remove unused --series argument from get-deliverable-owner https://review.openstack.org/550970 | 13:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: convert get-deliverable-owner to use the object model classes https://review.openstack.org/550971 | 13:42 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM , chem : it looks like you're ready for the tripleo-ui release notes update in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548671/ | 13:42 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: looking | 13:42 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: sorry I missed that one, approved. | 13:43 |
| dhellmann | np | 13:43 |
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| chem | EmilienM: hey, I can't right now, but I would need your help to get a stable/queens branch for tripleo-upgrade role. I know it has to do with something here https://github.com/openstack/releases, but well ... in 45min if you have time ? | 13:45 |
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| EmilienM | chem: if you want I can do it this time and next time you'll know how to do | 13:46 |
| EmilienM | chem: it's mega simple | 13:46 |
| EmilienM | chem: just tell me on which commit you want to branch and I'll do it now. | 13:46 |
| chem | EmilienM: the tip of master, should be fine | 13:46 |
| EmilienM | chem: ack | 13:47 |
| EmilienM | doing now. | 13:47 |
| chem | EmilienM: we have breaking change in P->M upgrade, so we need P->Q and Q->M (which is currently broken, https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1754642) | 13:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1754642 in tripleo "During mixed upgrade, openstack image prepare takes images list from master." [High,Triaged] | 13:47 |
| chem | EmilienM: thanks, that's super appreciated. | 13:47 |
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| EmilienM | cool | 13:48 |
| chem | EmilienM: need to be off for 45 min, just let me know what what needed here, I'll backtrack | 13:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack/releases master: Release and branch tripleo-upgrade project https://review.openstack.org/551280 | 13:49 |
| EmilienM | chem|mtg: done ^ | 13:49 |
| EmilienM | now we'll let release-managers review it. | 13:49 |
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| chem|mtg | EmilienM: thanks, yeah, that's easy enought :) | 14:04 |
| EmilienM | cool! | 14:04 |
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| fungi | meeting? | 15:00 |
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| ttx | meeting | 15:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jay Bryant proposed openstack/releases master: Create driverfixes/pike branch for Cinder https://review.openstack.org/551313 | 15:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julia Kreger proposed openstack/releases master: Release python-ironic-inspector-client 3.1.1 https://review.openstack.org/551341 | 17:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Julia Kreger proposed openstack/releases master: Release python-ironicclient 2.3.0 https://review.openstack.org/551342 | 17:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release and branch tripleo-upgrade project https://review.openstack.org/551280 | 18:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/releases master: Queens final releases for cycle-trailing projects https://review.openstack.org/550678 | 18:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/releases master: require final releases to match the previous release candidate https://review.openstack.org/551352 | 18:44 |
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| fungi | smcginnis: dhellmann: ttx: tonyb: dims: my signature is also showing on https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xc31292066be772022438222c184fd3e1edf21a78&fingerprint=on now, looks like | 18:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/releases master: fix default handling for releases key https://review.openstack.org/551357 | 19:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/releases master: use function decorators for common validation skips https://review.openstack.org/551358 | 19:10 |
| dhellmann | fungi : ack | 19:11 |
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| smcginnis | Made it back home finally. \o/ | 19:18 |
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| dhellmann | smcginnis : \o/ | 19:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alfredo Moralejo proposed openstack/releases master: Release puppet-ceilometer 12.4.1 in queens https://review.openstack.org/551360 | 19:42 |
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| smcginnis | ttx, dhellmann: I agree that packaging and deployment tools can be considered "for" a release cycle and not necessarily "part of" a release cycle. | 20:13 |
| smcginnis | So I would be fine extending that cycle-trailing deadline. | 20:13 |
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| dhellmann | smcginnis : cool. I'll see what I can do with changing the release model after my trip next week | 21:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/releases master: change the section title for cycle-trailing projects https://review.openstack.org/551373 | 21:34 |
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| tonyb | smcginnis, dhellmann: I think it's fine to extend the cycle-trailing deadlines, as long as we build something into the process to encourage RC1 (well branching) close to the release date as it impacts requirements. | 21:46 |
| tonyb | smcginnis, dhellmann: Of course if we can solve that technically (with a zuul branch override) then that'd also be fine :) | 21:47 |
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| dhellmann | tonyb : yeah, branching was my concern, too | 21:52 |
| dhellmann | I wasn't sure how big of a deal it was, since I don't know how much those projects depend on the g-r list | 21:53 |
| dhellmann | and maybe there are other aspects I'm not thinking of | 21:53 |
| dhellmann | but it was definitely a piece that I thought needed more consideration before we moved ahead | 21:53 |
| tonyb | Yeah, it's less g-r and more u-c that is the hump for requirements. Having a solution/plan is really what we need | 21:56 |
| tonyb | There are knock effects for eating into the $n+1 cycle while stabalising $n but There are potential ways to deal wih that | 21:57 |
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| dhellmann | I say g-r, you say u-c, let's call the whole thing off | 22:01 |
| dhellmann | but yeah, I guess the trade-off is we ask them to branch at the same point and they have to back port *or* we don't worry about that and they have to not land dependency updates after that point | 22:01 |
| dhellmann | so maybe if we stop sending dependency updates that becomes less of an issue :-) | 22:01 |
| dhellmann | they could update their master branch to look at the stable branch of the requirements repo for constraints explicitly, too | 22:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Felipe Monteiro proposed openstack/releases master: Add releasenotes to mark the start of Queens support https://review.openstack.org/548939 | 22:14 |
| tonyb | Yeah if we can do the "master points to requirements stable branch" thin in CI (which is what I meant by zuul branch override) that'd be the best outcome to my mind | 22:15 |
| tonyb | It does mean adding at least 2 "process" reviews pre/post branching but I think that's less of an issue than the advantages they'd gain by being less tied to the 2 week thing | 22:16 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I don't know if it's better to do that in the zuul config or tox (since tox is used locally) | 22:16 |
| dhellmann | right | 22:16 |
| dhellmann | maybe EmilienM has thoughts on ^^ | 22:16 |
| tonyb | Well they need both don't they? | 22:16 |
| dhellmann | oh, I guess so, yeah | 22:16 |
| tonyb | the value in tox.ini is basically ignored by CI | 22:16 |
| EmilienM | hey | 22:16 |
| EmilienM | give me 2 min | 22:17 |
| dhellmann | right, I always for get that | 22:17 |
| tonyb | EmilienM: no you must answer NOW ;P | 22:17 |
| EmilienM | I have a baby sleeping on me :D | 22:17 |
| tonyb | LOL | 22:17 |
| EmilienM | let's say i'm slow :-) | 22:17 |
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| tonyb | dhellmann: although if we get the constraints publiching work finished then the tox change becomes much easier/ less coupled with this process | 22:18 |
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| EmilienM | I think the current model works fine | 22:18 |
| clarkb | couldn't they just branch at the same time as everyone else and not release until ready? | 22:19 |
| clarkb | this has some dev overhead in that you have to context switch based on branch | 22:19 |
| EmilienM | 1) I like to force us to branch as soon as we're ready in a windows of 2 weeks after regular RC time | 22:19 |
| EmilienM | 2) I think the 2 weeks window to produce a final GA is also good. | 22:19 |
| tonyb | clarkb: sure, but then they have to land stuff on master and backport *or* land stugff on stable and foce the update into master | 22:19 |
| EmilienM | 3) I also like to release more often (every 2 weeks), even after GA | 22:20 |
| clarkb | tonyb: or merge periodically | 22:20 |
| tonyb | clarkb: Sure. | 22:20 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : other teams are having more trouble with that 2 week window, so I think we're going to be extending it. The question is how strict do we want to be with the branching. I suppose we could let teams take either approach (branch early or pin their constraints to the branch) | 22:20 |
| tonyb | clarkb: as long as everything matches in the end ;P | 22:20 |
| dhellmann | merging between branches is probably going to confuse reno | 22:21 |
| dhellmann | it was designed around the cherry-picking approach we usually take | 22:21 |
| tonyb | clarkb: would that work? Can we say that the master branch for N projects is tied to the stable/$series branch of requirements in zuul? | 22:21 |
| EmilienM | I'm not sure about the extension... it sounds like we're hiding a real problem here. | 22:21 |
| tonyb | where N could be ~50 repos/projects | 22:22 |
| EmilienM | but I think it's worth a try | 22:22 |
| clarkb | tonyb: you'd do it per job probably and set an override branch for requirements on those jobs | 22:22 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: Okay I didn't think abotu reno | 22:22 |
| tonyb | clarkb: but we can't do it for the openstack-tox-py27 job as that's for all projects | 22:23 |
| clarkb | tonyb: ya you'd have to do it in per project variants | 22:23 |
| tonyb | clarkb: or can we do it per job with a project variant? | 22:23 |
| tonyb | clarkb: Ahh ok | 22:23 |
| dhellmann | they could do that with a patch in-tree, right? | 22:23 |
| tonyb | clarkb: Well if it's technically possible that gives us options | 22:23 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: yes | 22:23 |
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| clarkb | another idea may be to decouple deployment projects from global-requirements? | 22:24 |
| dhellmann | ok, that simplifies it a bit, too, since they can just revert that patch before branching | 22:24 |
| dhellmann | that would be ideal, too | 22:24 |
| clarkb | g-r is really more for the deployed software not the software deploying it | 22:24 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: or after as they | 22:24 |
| dhellmann | tonyb : yeah, you're probably right, after | 22:24 |
| tonyb | d be branching in to the $series and the patch would be on that branch so would be a no-op'isg | 22:24 |
| dhellmann | clarkb : it needs to cover all the things installed together on 1 host, so it might cover the tools, too | 22:24 |
| tonyb | clarkb: as dhellmann says, we have tripleo on the same host asn nove, ironic keystone etc | 22:25 |
| tonyb | although containers chnage that a little ... | 22:25 |
| clarkb | but tripleo installs from packages | 22:25 |
| clarkb | so g-r doesn't impact the installed software | 22:25 |
| tonyb | clarkb: mostly but not always | 22:26 |
| dhellmann | we're not just talking about tripleo, either | 22:26 |
| clarkb | osa is probably the one I would worry about | 22:26 |
| tonyb | right, that's just the example I know | 22:26 |
| dhellmann | osa, loci, helm, all of them | 22:26 |
| dhellmann | kolla, too | 22:27 |
| tonyb | So I think for rocky we can extend the deadline, and the requirements team can generate the patches that tie master of $project to stable/rocky of requirements at the right time | 22:27 |
| clarkb | loci and helm and kolla use containers to isolate the openstack (g-r defined) installs from the deployer install though | 22:27 |
| tonyb | (with help from infra to get it right) | 22:27 |
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| EmilienM | tonyb, dhellmann : I'm happy to discuss next week about this one, it's almost midnight, I'm off for today. Have a great weekend! | 22:29 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : have a good night! | 22:29 |
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| dhellmann | tonyb : we were also discussing letting loci and helm slide into queens, quietly, but yeah I think the first formal deadline extension would be for rocky | 22:30 |
| dhellmann | clarkb : I guess they would want to be installing the openstack stuff from the stable branch, though, if they were still working on a release for that version | 22:31 |
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| clarkb | ya I guess they need a solution for getting the correct g-r branch regardless | 22:32 |
| dhellmann | and source, yeah | 22:32 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: Cool, we can massage the process for queens if needed, but really we've already done whatever "damage" we're going to do so we'll just clean it up | 22:32 |
| dhellmann | tonyb : true | 22:32 |
| dhellmann | ok, it seems there are some details to work out but we believe that it's possible to do this without completely breaking things | 22:32 |
| dhellmann | which is a good place to leave things on a friday afternoon :-) | 22:32 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: \o/ | 22:32 |
| dhellmann | have a good weekend, folks! | 22:33 |
| clarkb | you too | 22:33 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: You too | 22:33 |
| tonyb | It's a long one heer which is why I'm working on Saturday ;P | 22:33 |
| dhellmann | tonyb : I think you're weekending wrong | 22:34 |
| tonyb | ;P | 22:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/releases master: Add Rocky artifact signing key https://review.openstack.org/551401 | 22:38 |
| fungi | that's ^ being proposed more than a week in advance so i don't forget ;) | 22:40 |
| fungi | calendar set to remind me too | 22:40 |
| tonyb | fungi: very organised | 22:40 |
| fungi | i'm sure it seems that way to others | 22:41 |
| clarkb | fungi: the typical expiration of a month after the cycle would run into issues with the proposal above | 22:41 |
| clarkb | I guess that doesn't matter much they'll just get signed with the next cycle's key? | 22:42 |
| fungi | yeah | 22:42 |
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| fungi | i've generally eyeballed the schedule for the upcoming release and set it to be after the cycle-trailing deadline with a bit of cushion | 22:43 |
| fungi | though if i've generated one before the release schedule is confirmed (which has happened in the past) then i give a lot more leeway | 22:43 |
| fungi | the idea is for the old key to expire after the new key has replaced itr | 22:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/releases master: Add Rocky artifact signing key https://review.openstack.org/551401 | 23:09 |
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