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| openstackgerrit | Alan Pevec proposed openstack/releases: Post-festum record of integrated Juno point release 2014.2.4 https://review.openstack.org/247859 | 00:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases: Post-festum record of integrated Juno point release 2014.2.4 https://review.openstack.org/247859 | 03:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases: ironic-lib 0.4.0 https://review.openstack.org/247751 | 03:39 |
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| dims | ttx : need your input on this thread please - http://markmail.org/message/6tgosv67vtgfbvwb (oh and the review) | 11:32 |
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| ttx | my take is to wait for fungi to get back from vacation, as I posted in another part of that thread | 12:40 |
| sdague | I think that people who have never debugged a grenade fail asking to keep grenade around on dead trees is not a good idea | 13:01 |
| odyssey4me | would it perhaps make some sort of sense to have the -eol branch, but still allow patches to it... the patches being completely untested and therefore relying on external CI of some sort for testing? | 13:04 |
| odyssey4me | ie the burden goes directly to any distributors who care about keeping the branch alive for whatever reason | 13:05 |
| sdague | odyssey4me: there are lots of things that could work, if anyone actually showed up to do work | 13:11 |
| sdague | also, providing a branch from openstack which is getting vendor changes which may or may not be compatible with upstream, and with the ability to upgrade into an upstream supported branch, seems weird | 13:12 |
| odyssey4me | yeah | 13:17 |
| odyssey4me | personally I'm a believer in driving things forward, instead of condoning holding back | 13:17 |
| sdague | yeh, I'm also a bit tired of having the same conversation every 6 months | 13:17 |
| odyssey4me | those who hold back should perhaps be forking the repositories and doing whatever they need to do on their own terms | 13:17 |
| sdague | yep | 13:18 |
| odyssey4me | and therefore also taking responsibility for handling the upgrade from their forks | 13:18 |
| Jokke_ | sdague: that's why I asked what the cost would be to make it happen as there seems to be request and will to put people on it | 13:20 |
| odyssey4me | I really do believe that the effort would be better spent into making upgrading between openstack versions easier | 13:21 |
| Jokke_ | sdague: I wouldn't even had that discussion without the requesting parties actually coming up with will to put people into that as well | 13:21 |
| Jokke_ | odyssey4me: agreed, do you have resource to throw to that priority of yours, I don't | 13:22 |
| sdague | Jokke_: there is no will to put people on it. We've done this dance every 6 months for the last 2 years. | 13:23 |
| sdague | odyssey4me: ++ | 13:24 |
| odyssey4me | Jokke_ yes, sometimes all it needs is the right conversation - for instance a conversation at the summit with one of the keystone cores resulted in https://review.openstack.org/245186 | 13:24 |
| Jokke_ | sdague: wrong ... Huawei seems to have engineer in Rockys disposal for that work | 13:24 |
| sdague | making upgrades smooth is where the energy should be spent | 13:24 |
| sdague | Jokke_: rockys has not contributed to any of the stable branch work so far | 13:25 |
| sdague | I don't accept promisses on this one | 13:25 |
| sdague | people that are being volunteered need to first demonstrably contribute to existing supported stable branches | 13:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/releases: Neutron 7.0.1 https://review.openstack.org/247790 | 13:26 |
| sdague | and once that clearly has extra capacity, new ones can be added | 13:26 |
| odyssey4me | Jokke_ also, in OpenStack-Ansible we're busy looking for input into a framework for upgrades that work, which will be the base of a spec to deliver in the Mitaka timeframe: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-upgrade-framework | 13:26 |
| odyssey4me | but the smoothe upgrade commitment has to be made through the whole stack - from the core services, all the way down into the deployment tooling | 13:27 |
| Jokke_ | odyssey4me: sounds interesting | 13:28 |
| sdague | right, upgrades aren't a technology, they are a systemic approach to the world | 13:28 |
| odyssey4me | ++ | 13:28 |
| Jokke_ | odyssey4me: and yest that needs total culture change before people starts understanding even what the impact on their change is to upgrade | 13:29 |
| Jokke_ | and the teams starts to review based on that and actually care about it | 13:29 |
| odyssey4me | Jokke_ yes, and unless we all play a part in demanding that change then it'll never happen | 13:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/releases: Release 1.11.0 of os-client-config https://review.openstack.org/248075 | 13:31 |
| mordred | Jokke_: I agree with sdague - there is plenty of work availble in current stable maint and grenade realms - and traditionally almost nobody shows up to do it | 13:34 |
| mordred | Jokke_: so the best way to get any of us who are negative towards longer lived branches to change our tune is for the people interested in it to show up and help with the existing work | 13:34 |
| mordred | Jokke_: then those people suggesting creating more work will be in a better position to be believed | 13:35 |
| mordred | dhellmann, dims, ttx: when one of you is around, the above occ release request is to help deal with a problem we saw in infra prod yesterday | 13:36 |
| ttx | dims: available to take it ? I already have the Solum one on my plate | 13:37 |
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| dhellmann | ttx, dims : I'll get it | 13:49 |
| dhellmann | ttx, dims: I'm around for our meeting this morning, then out the rest of the day | 13:49 |
| dims | thanks dhellmann | 13:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases: Release 1.11.0 of os-client-config https://review.openstack.org/248075 | 13:54 |
| ttx | dhellmann: while you're at it could you do python-solumclient ? | 13:54 |
| ttx | I'm doing solum proper | 13:54 |
| dhellmann | ttx: sure | 13:54 |
| ttx | part of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245963/1 | 13:55 |
| dhellmann | ttx: is that merged? | 13:55 |
| ttx | not yet, was waiting for solumclient | 13:55 |
| Jokke_ | mordred: I do see the point (and share that pain) ... the reason why I got to the discussion how much it would need to give the approach a try, what was requested is that the current approach to "motivate" people to get involved is clearly not working. If we can try something like keeping the grenade jobs running for kilo and get new people involved without keeping/increasing the workload, to make it happen, with the current maintaine | 13:55 |
| ttx | (tag on solum is in progress, so all good for my side) | 13:55 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ok, I usually approve the changes so I can run the script against a local file. I'll go ahead and do that when I start the client release. | 13:56 |
| ttx | ack | 13:56 |
| mordred | dhellmann: thanks! | 13:57 |
| * ttx is having a fun day fixing all the new glitches in Ubuntu 15.10 | 13:57 | |
| ttx | and none of the 15.04 glitches seem to be fixed. | 13:57 |
| mordred | Jokke_: yah. totally understand to intent and am supportive of its goals | 13:58 |
| mordred | ttx: I've been very much enjoying being back on debian | 13:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases: solum and python-solumclient release https://review.openstack.org/245963 | 13:58 |
| ttx | mordred: was having dinner with Stefano Zachirolli wednesday and he nearly convinced me | 13:58 |
| mordred | ttx: I'm running jessie with the mozilla-maint backport repo for firefox and it's totally solid | 13:58 |
| mordred | ttx: I have absolutely no issues with linux on my laptop | 13:59 |
| mordred | I'm also using the Mate desktop which is a direct option from debian | 13:59 |
| ttx | I have no issue with linux on my maptop. I have issues with crazy half-baked unity | 13:59 |
| ttx | laptop* | 13:59 |
| ttx | oh well. One day I'm not lazy i'll switch | 14:00 |
| odyssey4me | haha, "when you're not lazy" | 14:00 |
| Jokke_ | I have to say that Debian 8 is pleasure ... running it on my laptop as well | 14:01 |
| mordred | so it's like i'm running Maverick except with updated kernel and browser | 14:02 |
| mordred | it's pretty awesome | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | ttx: solumclient release is done | 14:02 |
| Jokke_ | although my wm is years old fork of DWM ;) | 14:03 |
| ttx | dhellmann: are we having the meeting ? | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | ttx: meeting? | 14:03 |
| ttx | heh | 14:03 |
| ttx | let's do that | 14:03 |
| ttx | solum mostly done | 14:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/releases: Document an EOL and release dates https://review.openstack.org/247677 | 14:47 |
| mordred | dhellmann, ttx, dims: ^^ :) | 14:47 |
| mriedem | flaper87: have you thought about making a 1.0.0 glance_store? | 14:50 |
| mriedem | flaper87: i'm going to request a new release and from looking at the change log, there isn't anything super major that would be a 1.0.0, but it's definitely a 0.10.0 | 14:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases: mitaka: release glance-store 0.10.0 https://review.openstack.org/248119 | 14:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases: mitaka: release glance-store 0.10.0 https://review.openstack.org/248119 | 14:56 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: feeling comfortable drafting the ML thread ? Or would you prefer I do it ? | 15:02 |
| * ttx might not have enough brain juice left to do it today | 15:02 | |
| dhellmann | ttx: I was just writing to ask you to start summarizing that discussion. | 15:02 |
| ttx | I'm fine doing it early next week though | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | monday works | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | or whatever, early next week | 15:03 |
| ttx | I'll see if I have some time left today | 15:03 |
| ttx | anyway I'll etherpad it | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | sounds good, thanks | 15:03 |
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| dims | dhellmann : ah the joys of locking everything down | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | dims : mostly it's just "move anything that might kill her to doug's office and clean the tub" :-) | 15:05 |
| dims | haha | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | it's a little crowded in here now with the exercise bike, cat ladder, and various random boxes | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | it's a good thing I'm not trying to work today ;-) | 15:06 |
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| dims | :) have a good weekend | 15:10 |
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| Jokke_ | dhellmann: LOL | 15:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/reno: scan all changes and filter on files in reno not git log https://review.openstack.org/246584 | 16:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/reno: add verbose and quiet options to command line for debugging https://review.openstack.org/246582 | 16:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/reno: force the right return type for mocked urandom https://review.openstack.org/246583 | 16:54 |
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| AJaeger | dhellmann: did you see my inline question on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246583/ ? | 16:59 |
| AJaeger | (urandom on reno) | 17:00 |
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| ttx | AJaeger: I suspect not which is why I didn't +2 it | 17:11 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 17:11 |
| sdague | ttx: we should totally eol mitaka a year early | 17:12 |
| sdague | keeps people on their toes | 17:12 |
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| dims_ | hahaha | 17:24 |
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| flaper87 | mriedem: no 1.0, 0.10 sounds good | 17:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/releases: Bugfix release of os-client-config https://review.openstack.org/248212 | 18:13 |
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| mordred | dims, ttx: sorry to bug you ... ^^ the last release exposed an untested (and broken) interface. both the fix and a test for the interface are now in place | 18:14 |
| dims | mordred ack will take care of it in the next 30 mins or so | 18:15 |
| mordred | dims: thank you! | 18:15 |
| mordred | dims: I will email you a beer | 18:15 |
| dims | :) | 18:15 |
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| mriedem | dims: planning oslo.messaging release on monday? | 19:17 |
| mriedem | or should i put up the request? | 19:17 |
| dims | i am planning mriedem | 19:17 |
| mriedem | ok | 19:17 |
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