Tuesday, 2015-12-08

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openstackgerritMerged openstack/performance-docs: Add build infrastructure  https://review.openstack.org/25409408:42
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kun_huangDinaBelova: 5 is coming today or tomorrow, I could start from a small size openstack now09:32
DinaBelovakun_huang - that's super cool!09:32
kun_huangDinaBelova:  btw do you have your first testing plan in your mind?09:52
DinaBelovakun_huang - today our folks will publish in the review test plan for the bootstrapping solutions, MQ test plan is coming as well. So Mirantis team is having the task to start with the cloud basics10:29
kun_huangDinaBelova: good! so my machines could be used to verify bootstrapping solutions first10:31
DinaBelovayeah - we tried something on our internal env, but doing it on the public env will be better10:32
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openstackgerritLeontii Istomin proposed openstack/performance-docs: Test plan of provisioning systems.  https://review.openstack.org/25469311:10
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mriedemperf meeting is in 49 minutes now right?15:11
mriedemmoved back an hour15:11
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DinaBelovamriedem - yes15:33
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andreykurilinhi everyone:)15:59
DinaBelovahey o/15:59
DinaBelova#startmeeting Performance Team16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Dec  8 16:00:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is DinaBelova. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'performance_team'16:00
DinaBelovahello everyone!16:00
DinaBelovao/16:00
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DinaBelovaso todays agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Performance#Agenda_for_next_meeting16:00
gokrokveHi!16:01
DinaBelovao/16:01
oanufrievhi all16:01
nihilifero/16:01
kun_huango/16:01
gokrokveHappy Birthday Dina!16:01
DinaBelovaharlowja, SpamapS are you around? :)16:01
DinaBelovagokrokve thank s :)16:01
* regXboi wonders what IRC singing reads like16:02
DinaBelovaklindgren__, o/ are you going to attend today? :)16:02
DinaBelovaregXboi :D16:02
DinaBelovaok, let's wait for a few more minutes16:02
DinaBelovaharlowja will be able to wake up at least :)16:03
DinaBelovaok, so let's start with action items16:05
DinaBelova#topic Action Items16:05
DinaBelovalast time we had few ones16:05
DinaBelova#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/performance_team/2015/performance_team.2015-12-01-15.00.html16:05
DinaBelovaI would say all of them are ok, but I did not have any update from klindgren__16:05
DinaBelovaabout collecting more info for nova-conductor16:05
DinaBelovaso if he won't appear we'll skip this topic later16:05
DinaBelovaalso I loved document https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/hyper-scale16:06
regXboi:)16:06
DinaBelovaregXboi - thank you sir for sharing it16:06
DinaBelovabtw I think it could be added to new performance-docs repository16:06
DinaBelovain let's say 'research' section16:06
DinaBelovathere is no that section there yet16:07
DinaBelovabut let's ad it :)16:07
DinaBelovaadd*16:07
regXboiDinaBelova: point me at the repo/rst and I'll take the action item to make one :)16:07
DinaBelovaone moment sir16:08
SpamapSDinaBelova: I plan to be there yes, dropping kids off at school now. :-)16:08
DinaBelovaregXboi - https://github.com/openstack/performance-docs16:08
DinaBelovaSpamapS ;)16:08
regXboiDinaBelova: thx16:08
DinaBelovaregXboi - right now it's just clean repo16:08
DinaBelovathe first change on review right now is the following16:08
DinaBelova#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254693/16:08
DinaBelovaso we'll define repository structure on fly I believe16:09
regXboi#action regXboi to seed performance-docs repo with information from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/hyper-scale16:09
DinaBelovathank you sir16:09
DinaBelovathere will be at least test_plans and test_results sections there16:09
klindgren__hi16:09
regXboino worries - this way I won't forget16:09
DinaBelovaso you can add what was planned to plans and what you have reached to the results16:09
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DinaBelovaregXboi :)16:09
DinaBelovaklindgren__ o/16:09
DinaBelovaklindgren__ - did you have a chance to collect some more dumps?16:10
klindgren__had to put all the boxes this morning into the recycling... it was a lot of boxes...16:10
gokrokveregXboi: It is necessary to add measurement units tot he coef numbers.16:10
klindgren__DinaBelova, I did not16:10
klindgren__I dealt with a bunch of fires.16:10
klindgren__last week16:10
klindgren__I did try the greenlet/rpc worker and running multiple top level processes for conductor16:11
klindgren__with pretty much 0 change16:11
DinaBelovaklindgren__ - a-ha, ok, so will it be possible for you to do that this week - dumps + screens of tops to locale the issue?16:11
DinaBelovaklindgren__ - ok, so can you please log what was tried in the etherpad?16:11
klindgren__yep - I can get some more of those16:11
regXboigokrove: no - those are correlation coef from the least squares fit - they are dimensionless16:11
DinaBelovaklindgren__ - as I see there suggestions from johnthetubaguy, but I do not see what was done there16:12
DinaBelovathanks in advance16:12
gokrokveregXboi: Then it will be hard to interpret them16:12
klindgren__yep - I will update the etherpad today16:12
DinaBelovaklindgren__, thank you sir16:12
gokrokveWhen you have a slope angle on the graph it should have a dimention16:12
gokrokvelike msec/VM16:12
DinaBelova#action klindgren__ fill https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/remote-conductor-performance with what was done regarding johnthetubaguy 's suggestions16:13
regXboigokrove: correlation coefs run between 0 and 1 - see http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CorrelationCoefficient.html16:13
regXboi(well, actually the r^2 runs from 0 to 1, the r can be -1 to 116:13
gokrokveregXboi: I understand what is that. I just say it is hard to interpret them.16:13
DinaBelovagokrokve - so can you suggest some other measurement?16:13
gokrokveBeside the meaning that two random sequences are similar16:13
DinaBelovaregXboi used this one16:14
DinaBelovaprobably something else can be chosen here16:14
regXboigokrove: I'm not sure how I can help you with that - it's a way to interpret the randomness of the data without plotting it16:14
regXboisince plots don't show up in etherpad all that well :)16:14
gokrokveIf we use linear regression model as it was suggested them coefficient m - (slope angle) has meaning for users16:15
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regXboiI'm certainly open to other proposals - this is the one I know well16:15
regXboium16:15
regXboithat is there is well - I call that the slope16:15
regXboier there *as* well16:15
regXboiand that has units and I admit they are incomplete16:15
gokrokveregXboi: Yes. That is what operators will understand as they can use this value for capacity planning16:15
regXboi(I honestly thought they were self-explanatory, but will update when I put them into the dovs)16:16
regXboier docs (I can't type today)16:16
regXboibtw... DinaBelova - I'm thinking of presenting the L3 data as *examples* of the methodology16:16
DinaBelovaok, so there is slope values there, so we just need to add additional introduction info on what's that is, what params are having what dimantion16:17
DinaBelovaregXboi - yep, sure16:17
gokrokveregXboi: Thank you! That will be great. We can use some more user friendly doc format. It is possible to use wiki.openstack.org to document these stuff with actual graphs16:17
DinaBelovaI believe it's a good one16:17
DinaBelovagokrokve - let's use our new repo for that purpose16:17
DinaBelovathat will be built into the html16:17
DinaBelovaand that's it16:17
gokrokveDinaBelova: Sure. repo will work as well16:17
DinaBelovayep, ok16:17
gokrokveWhere these docs will be published?16:18
DinaBelovagokrokve - docs.openstack.org16:18
gokrokveUnder rally project?16:18
regXboiDinaBelova beat me to it :)16:18
DinaBelovabut I wanted to tell about that in the specific section16:18
DinaBelova#topic New performance-docs repo16:18
DinaBelovaso let's move to it :)16:18
gokrokveYep. Smooth transition16:18
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regXboiwe can always play the straight people - it's *so* easy :)16:19
DinaBelovaso we're having right now new repo to publish test plans, researches results, rally scenarios used, etc. etc.16:19
DinaBelova#link https://github.com/openstack/performance-docs16:19
DinaBelovaright now it's empty repo with only infrastructure added16:19
DinaBelovato build the docs16:19
DinaBelovathe change to create this repo was merged few days ago16:19
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DinaBelova#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252846/16:20
DinaBelovahere it is16:20
DinaBelovadue to the email thread16:20
DinaBelova#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2015-December/001081.html16:20
gokrokveWhat is documents format?16:20
DinaBelovait was decided that to add this info under docs.openstack.org we need a good excuse :)16:20
gokrokveIs it RST?16:20
DinaBelovaas we're not official openstack team yet16:20
DinaBelovagokrokve - yes16:20
DinaBelovaso that was decided to use Rally project as an umbrella16:21
DinaBelovato have a reason to be published oficially16:21
DinaBelovaafter the following change will be merged16:21
DinaBelova#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252878/16:21
DinaBelovathe docs should become published on the docs.openstack.org16:21
DinaBelovaunder rally section, but I believe it's more ok than having some non official repo16:22
DinaBelovathe first WIP test plan was published on review today16:22
DinaBelova#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254693/16:22
gokrokveDinaBelova: It is good to have a place to publish. Rally is ok.16:22
DinaBelovayeah :)16:23
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DinaBelovaI believe we may use this opportunity to make our effort more public16:23
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gokrokveHow did you get a link to the draft of the docs at the gate?16:23
DinaBelovaregXboi - so waiting more docs :)16:24
gokrokveIs it a part of job output?16:24
DinaBelovagokrokve - yep16:24
DinaBelovagokrokve - http://docs-draft.openstack.org/93/254693/2/check/gate-performance-docs-docs/652d371//doc/build/html/16:24
DinaBelovathat was the draft built16:24
regXboigokrove: yes - there is a *docs* job in the pipeline and it spits out draft documentation at a URL like what DinaBelova linked16:24
manandChanging subject: I have a question regarding plugins for Rally benchmark. Does anyone contribute plugins? will it be maintained by the community?16:25
DinaBelovamanand - right now all scenarios in rally are wrapped by plugins structure16:25
DinaBelovaandreykurilin, kun_huang - please correct me if I'm wrong16:25
andreykurilinDinaBelova: yes, everythng is right:)16:25
DinaBelovamanand - so that means that if you have the plugin merged to rally - community will maintain it16:26
manandthanks16:26
DinaBelovaif there will be concerns, that you won't be able to fix, you'll need to keep it workable yoursellf16:26
DinaBelova:)16:26
manandok16:26
DinaBelovaok, so any questions regarding the new repo?16:26
kun_huangmanand: rally has many plugins and support different scenarios, and you could also extend your new ones ;)16:26
* regXboi sharpens pencil16:26
DinaBelovaregXboi ;)16:27
kun_huangDinaBelova: do we need data support?16:27
DinaBelovakun_huang - do you mean where to store rare data like some logs, etc.?16:27
DinaBelovaor what in fact?16:27
kun_huangtesting plans -> real test in openstack ci16:27
Kristian__@andreykurilin and @DinaBelova - which plugins can we use to currently monitor and will OSprofiler be more integrated w/ Rally to monitor the error/output of Rally performance tests to help find out root-cause?16:27
DinaBelovakun_huang, a-ha, gotcha16:28
DinaBelovakun_huang - I believe that eventually that's possible, but we need to collect some of the OpenStack-layer related test plans for instance16:28
DinaBelovaright now some of very low-level stuff will be published on the review16:28
DinaBelovabut openstack-ci needs openstack-layer-related testing I believe16:29
kun_huangyeah, move those testing plans is already big step here16:29
DinaBelovakun_huang - so imho we need to have some openstack-layer collection of test plans16:29
DinaBelovaworkable and tested on our labs, Hauwei one16:29
DinaBelovaetc.16:30
andreykurilinKristian__: "will OSprofiler be more integrated 2/Rally" sure, but rally team doesn't have enough time to implement it yet16:30
DinaBelovaand then push it as a standard16:30
kun_huangDinaBelova: no problem sure ;)16:30
DinaBelovaKristian__ - yeah, so that's something to be done...16:30
DinaBelovaandreykurilin - btw, may you please add this item to the work items section here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/perf-zoom-zoom16:30
DinaBelova?16:30
andreykurilinDinaBelova: sure16:31
DinaBelovathat will be the great item to pick for contributors16:31
DinaBelovathanks16:31
Kristian__DinaBelova - thanks for the info!16:31
DinaBelovaok, so let's go to the next topic16:31
DinaBelova#topic Huawei lab status16:31
andreykurilinBtw, I suppose we need to merge support of osprofiler to more openstack projects16:31
DinaBelovakun_huang - the floor is yours, sir16:31
DinaBelovaandreykurilin - yeah.. so we need to add these point to the items as well - keystone at least16:32
kun_huangDinaBelova: thanks for this topic16:32
DinaBelovakun_huang - may you please share the current status?16:32
andreykurilinDinaBelova: and nova:)16:32
regXboiand neutron16:32
DinaBelovaandreykurilin nova is in progress16:32
andreykurilin:D16:32
regXboiand ...16:32
kun_huangMy plan to share some HW to test data is supported now16:32
kun_huangthere are 6 servers now16:33
andreykurilinwow16:33
kun_huangand more is coming16:33
andreykurilinIt's great news16:33
DinaBelovakun_huang - the estimate is up to 40 afiar?16:33
kun_huangmy job here is to use 10 servers doing good jobs and ask more ..16:33
andreykurilin:)16:33
DinaBelova:)16:33
kun_huangDinaBelova: I hope 40 after a month16:33
DinaBelovaok, I don't see here Leontiy Istomin - there is his test plan on the review right now16:34
DinaBelovaand we'll have what regXboi will publish as well :)16:34
kun_huangthose test plans are useful for me16:34
DinaBelova#action DinaBelova kun_huang define the queue of test plans to start testing on the Huawei lab16:34
DinaBelovaand the access as well, btw16:35
DinaBelovakun_huang - do we have right now some doc defining the access rules, etc?16:35
kun_huangI know that16:35
kun_huangnope yet16:35
DinaBelovakun_huang - ok, cool, so lets create the action item!16:35
kun_huangI could write something basic this week16:35
* DinaBelova loves writing action items16:35
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regXboiDinaBelova: there are some folks here working internally on a performance CI/CD - I'm working on (1) getting information about it upstreamed and (2) getting it in as a 3PCI16:36
DinaBelova#action kun_huang write some simple doc describing the access to the Huawei lab16:36
DinaBelovakun_huang thank you sir16:36
DinaBelovaregXboi - wow, that's very cool experience16:36
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regXboiI would qualify it right now as "slow progress" ...16:37
kun_huangregXboi: super nice thing!16:37
DinaBelovaregXboi - probably can you share eventually some thoughts on how that CI should be done in our case eventually?16:37
DinaBelovaehterpad with ideas, examples, etc. will be perfect16:37
regXboiDinaBelova: that's the plan, I'm still working on the timing16:37
DinaBelovaregXboi - ok, cool16:37
DinaBelova#info ask regXboi one day about the performance CI howtos16:38
DinaBelovaok, very cool16:38
DinaBelovathanks kun_huang one more time for your effort!16:38
kun_huang:)16:38
DinaBelovaprobably some questions regarding the lab?16:38
DinaBelovagokrokve? :)16:38
DinaBelovaok, cool, let's move one16:39
DinaBelovaon*16:39
DinaBelova#topic Nova-conductor performance issues16:39
DinaBelovalet's cover that quickly just to clarify16:39
DinaBelovaklindgren__ will try to make more dumps this week for us to understand if RabbitMQ is guilty here16:40
DinaBelovaand will add more details to the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/remote-conductor-performance16:40
DinaBelovaI would say that's pretty all for now16:40
DinaBelovaklindgren__ - am I right?16:41
* DinaBelova thinks that girl having b-day cannot be wrong :)16:42
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klindgren__yep16:42
DinaBelova:)16:42
DinaBelovathank you sir for finding time for making all that profiling stuff during your local fires :)16:42
DinaBelova#topic OSProfiler weekly update16:43
DinaBelovaok, so about opprofiler16:43
DinaBelovaI'm trying to satisfy all comments that I'm seeing on the cinder and glance commits16:43
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DinaBelovait looks like I've fixed all of them for now16:44
DinaBelovaand still change to the ceilometer https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245136/ and to the osprofiler https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251343/ need to be merged16:44
DinaBelovaI hope boris-42_ will have a bit more time this week to review the osprofiler changes :)16:45
DinaBelovathanks in advance16:45
DinaBelovasome news: I've started addin osprifiler to nova once again :)16:45
DinaBelova#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254703/16:45
boris-42_DinaBelova: hope so=)16:45
boris-42_DinaBelova: party hard -)16:45
DinaBelovayeah :)16:45
DinaBelovathe blueprint for this is the following16:46
boris-42_DinaBelova: so I am going to reply on mternish comment in spec16:46
DinaBelovaboris-42_ - very cool!16:46
boris-42_DinaBelova: about zipkin16:46
DinaBelova#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/osprofiler-support-in-nova16:46
DinaBelovathanks johnthetubaguy for the comments!16:47
DinaBelovaboris-42_ - ok, so will you be able to persuade dims_ to remove his -1 there? :)16:47
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Kristian__<DinaBelova> and <boris-42> looking to integrate osprofiler in our whitebox testing, because the tracing would be awesome functionality for us in aic.  do need starter docs.  are any implementation/install-specific source docs available?16:47
boris-42_DinaBelova: it doesn't depend on me LOL16:47
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boris-42_Kristian__: soooo16:48
boris-42_Kristian__: you need to patch some of services in openstack16:48
DinaBelovaKristian__ - right now it's a bit compclicated as there are a lots of patches on review16:48
DinaBelovaKristian__ - i may create the etherpad16:48
Kristian__<DinaBelova> aha, i see16:48
boris-42_Kristian__: we are hoping to get those patches in OpenStack16:48
DinaBelovawith the explanation of what needs to be done16:48
boris-42_Kristian__: so it will be simple to use osprofiler16:48
regXboiDinaBelova: is there a blueprint for integrating with Neutron yet?16:48
DinaBelovaregXboi - not yet, sir16:49
boris-42_regXboi: so neutron guys said that there is no need in bluepritnt16:49
boris-42_regXboi: it's enough to create bug16:49
boris-42_regXboi: at least they said this about 2 years ago16:49
andreykurilin:D16:49
regXboiboris-42_: agreed - is there an RFE then?16:49
boris-42_regXboi: it was16:49
Kristian__<boris-42> thanks, will be patient on this one :)16:49
boris-42_regXboi: let me try to find it16:49
boris-42_regXboi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/133564016:50
openstackLaunchpad bug 1335640 in neutron "Neutron doesn't support OSprofiler" [Wishlist,Expired]16:50
boris-42_regXboi: here is it16:50
regXboiah, ok - it got expired16:51
DinaBelova#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/133564016:51
regXboiwe'll need to unexpire it16:51
boris-42_regXboi: yeep16:51
DinaBelovadone :D16:51
regXboiwell - I went a bit further ;)16:51
DinaBelova;)16:52
regXboiand put it back to new, so that the neutron drivers team can pick it up next week16:52
DinaBelovaok, thank you sir16:52
DinaBelovaok, so probably we can find a volunteer to implement it as well? :)16:52
regXboiDinaBelova: I'll shepherd for the time being16:53
DinaBelova:)16:53
boris-42_DinaBelova: btw https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103368/16:54
boris-42_DinaBelova: =)16:54
DinaBelovaif you'll be able to find some it'll be cool :)16:54
boris-42_DinaBelova: it's keystone one the most important LOL16:54
DinaBelovaboris-42_ wowo16:54
DinaBelovaboris-42_ -thanks for the link16:55
DinaBelovaI'll review and try it16:55
boris-42_DinaBelova: UploadedJun 28, 2014 1:08 PM16:55
boris-42_DinaBelova: lol16:55
DinaBelova#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103368/16:55
boris-42_DinaBelova: I am will get in age before we merge this ;)16:55
boris-42_I will get*16:55
DinaBelovaboris-42_ - the most important thins is that it was updated only 5 weeks ago16:55
DinaBelovanot the months :D16:55
boris-42_DinaBelova: years of works for few lines of code )16:56
DinaBelovaboris-42_ :D16:56
DinaBelovaok, cool16:56
DinaBelovaso it looks like osprofiler topic was covered as well16:57
DinaBelova#topic Open Discussion16:57
DinaBelovaanything else to raise?16:57
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DinaBelovathanks everyone for coming and for the progress done!16:57
DinaBelovaok, thank you guys16:58
DinaBelovabye!16:58
DinaBelova#endmeeting16:58
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kun_huangregXboi: ping17:09
regXboikun_huang: pong17:13
kun_huangregXboi: I got the ideas about "performance CI" and we could have more examples in open source world; seeing lkp(linux kernel performance) project,  it is a independent project from linux, but it runs everyday and checks nearly everything and the most important is that linus like it17:14
* regXboi reads17:16
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kun_huangregXboi: in another word, do you need some help?17:16
regXboikun_huang: let me cycle back to you in a few days - right now, the issues I'm seeing are more internal facing than external facing17:18
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