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openstackgerritZhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: config options: Centralise floating ip options  https://review.openstack.org/25708701:26
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openstackgerritZhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: config options: centralize section: "glance"  https://review.openstack.org/25715301:36
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openstackgerritZhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: config options: centralize section "cloudpipe"  https://review.openstack.org/27294901:42
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openstackgerritYaoZheng proposed openstack/nova: After migrate in-use volume the BDM information lost  https://review.openstack.org/28843301:52
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openstackgerritZhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: config options: centralize section "monitors"  https://review.openstack.org/27295902:17
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openstackgerritZhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: config options: centralize section: "keymgr"  https://review.openstack.org/27389802:34
openstackgerritZhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: config options: centralize section: "keymgr"  https://review.openstack.org/27389802:38
openstackgerritZhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: config options: centralize section: "crypto"  https://review.openstack.org/27391602:40
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openstackgerritAndrei V. Ostapenko proposed openstack/nova: Fixes bug with notify_decorator bad getattr default value  https://review.openstack.org/22389002:41
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openstackgerritZhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: config options: centralize section: "crypto"  https://review.openstack.org/27391602:42
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openstackgerritYaoZheng proposed openstack/nova: After migrate in-use volume the BDM information lost  https://review.openstack.org/28843303:05
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openstackgerritZhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: config options: centralize section: "keymgr"  https://review.openstack.org/27389804:13
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.openstack.org/29392106:28
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openstackgerritRong Han proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Fix the content of "disk.config" lost after migrate/resize  https://review.openstack.org/28833406:50
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openstackgerritesracelik proposed openstack/nova: Config options: centralize "configdrive" options  https://review.openstack.org/25409206:54
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kashyappkoniszewski: When you're about, this needs a rebase -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292826/06:57
openstackgerritesracelik proposed openstack/nova: Config options: centralize "configdrive" options  https://review.openstack.org/25409206:59
openstackgerritesracelik proposed openstack/nova: Improve the help text for configdrive options  https://review.openstack.org/26687506:59
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openstackgerritAbhishek Talwar proposed openstack/python-novaclient: aggregate-details changed to aggregate-show  https://review.openstack.org/29227707:15
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openstackgerritAbhishek Talwar proposed openstack/python-novaclient: flavor-id should be only integer or UUID  https://review.openstack.org/28770207:31
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openstackgerritesracelik proposed openstack/nova: Removal of unnecessary `import_opt`s for centralized config options  https://review.openstack.org/27954007:48
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openstackgerritesracelik proposed openstack/nova: Config options: centralize section "hyperv"  https://review.openstack.org/25512407:49
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openstackgerritesracelik proposed openstack/nova: Config options: centralize section "hyperv"  https://review.openstack.org/25512407:55
openstackgerritesracelik proposed openstack/nova: Improve the help text for hyperv options (1)  https://review.openstack.org/26817507:55
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openstackgerritesracelik proposed openstack/nova: Improve the help text for hyperv options (2)  https://review.openstack.org/27823507:59
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openstackgerritesracelik proposed openstack/nova: Improve the help text for hyperv options (2)  https://review.openstack.org/27823508:01
openstackgerritesracelik proposed openstack/nova: Improve the help text for hyperv options (3)  https://review.openstack.org/27823608:02
openstackgerritPawel Koniszewski proposed openstack/nova: Remove block_migration from LM rollback  https://review.openstack.org/29282608:03
openstackgerritesracelik proposed openstack/nova: Improve the help text for hyperv options (3)  https://review.openstack.org/27823608:03
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bauzasgood morning08:05
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openstackgerritesracelik proposed openstack/nova: Config options: centralize section "hyperv"  https://review.openstack.org/25512408:05
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openstackgerritesracelik proposed openstack/nova: Config options: centralize "configdrive" options  https://review.openstack.org/25409208:08
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openstackgerritesracelik proposed openstack/nova: Improve the help text for configdrive options  https://review.openstack.org/26687508:09
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openstackgerritWenzhi Yu proposed openstack/nova: Mock '_sysinfo_serial_func' in RealTimeServersTest  https://review.openstack.org/29511808:24
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Kevin_Zhengfirst commit for Newton08:29
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Kevin_Zhengsorry, I sent for the wrong channel08:36
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openstackgerritWenzhi Yu proposed openstack/nova: Mock '_get_host_sysinfo_serial_os' in RealTimeServersTest  https://review.openstack.org/29511809:08
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swamireddyhow to get an instance uptime (only uptime without stop time)?09:20
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swamireddynova has any CLI/API to get this ?09:20
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openstackgerritZhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: Expose quiesce/unquiesce API  https://review.openstack.org/24898909:36
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openstackgerritLenny Verkhovsky proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] OVS offload POC  https://review.openstack.org/27562409:41
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johnthetubaguybauzas: hows is that config drive stuff going? just catching up this morning10:34
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy: it was merged AFAIK10:37
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/155834310:37
openstackLaunchpad bug 1558343 in OpenStack Compute (nova) liberty "configdrive is lost after resize.(libvirt driver)" [High,Confirmed]10:37
johnthetubaguybauzas: did we backport it?10:37
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: good question, that's what I was about to review10:37
johnthetubaguybauzas: I was just going to dig into the xen stuff, so will leave you with config drive10:38
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/155834310:38
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: not backported yet10:38
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy: okay, lemme see if mdbooth was planning to backport it for stable/mitaka10:39
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ndipanovjohnthetubaguy, what's the process for re-proposing specs for Newton10:41
danpbndipanov: same as always - just post the spec in the new directory10:41
danpbndipanov: and add "Previously-approved: Mitaka" in the commit message10:41
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ndipanovdanpb, ok cool do they get some kind of fastrack?10:42
danpbyep, they'll usually get trivially approved10:42
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ndipanovdanpb, as in 1x +2 enough?10:43
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dederyhi all, can you please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287515 (Fix failed snapshot on VMs with SRIOV ports)? It's +1'd by sahid and others. Thanks :)10:45
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danpbjohnthetubaguy: you might reconsider your -1 on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244372/1310:49
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johnthetubaguydanpb: looking at stephen's comment now, one sec10:52
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johnthetubaguybauzas: I have created an RC2 thing here, will need to target bugs against the mitaka release series and rc2, I guess, or we might drop all this and just use an etherpad: https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/mitaka-rc211:14
openstackgerritZhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: Expose quiesce/unquiesce API  https://review.openstack.org/24898911:14
johnthetubaguyBobBall: I guess you want the XenAPI bug in RC2, ideally right?11:14
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: cool11:14
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: I have a bit of downstream stuff to do this morning, but I'll backport mdbooth's change11:14
BobBallyes johnthetubaguy but I think it should be in ?11:14
johnthetubaguyawesome, thanks11:14
johnthetubaguyBobBall: its only in master at this point11:15
BobBalljohnthetubaguy: Oh... sorry - yes, ofc11:15
johnthetubaguywhich is newton11:15
BobBalljohnthetubaguy: is there a backport yet?11:15
johnthetubaguyI was just going to do the backport now11:15
BobBallI thought it was in RC2 :) Backports should all apply cleanly though ofc11:15
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openstackgerritRyan Moore proposed openstack/nova: Add better help to rdp options  https://review.openstack.org/25355611:22
openstackgerritRyan Moore proposed openstack/nova: config options: centralize section: "rdp"  https://review.openstack.org/25238911:22
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tojuvoneHi super Nova guys! If I'd like to enhance maintenance, would I just land a spec or perhaps chat about it first?11:27
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johnthetubaguytojuvone: sorry, not sure what you mean by "enhance maintenance"11:29
johnthetubaguytojuvone: as a rough guideline, and API change would need a nova-spec, but chatting about it first could save some time11:29
tojuvonejohnthebaguy: Thanks, so maybe to have in service some start and end time to indicate when it is really going to happen (not just disabled flag)11:32
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tojuvonejohnthetubaguy: So maybe some start and end time to service instead just disabled. Telling when the maintenance really happens11:34
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johnthetubaguytojuvone: OK, I think talking about the wider use case, and how you want to communicate things to your users would be a great spec11:37
tojuvonejohnthetubaguy: some special end time to indicate that host will actually never come up again11:38
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johnthetubaguytojuvone: we have the "current host state" API now, which is a step in that direction: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/mitaka/approved/get-valid-server-state.html11:39
tojuvonejohnthetubaguy: yes, I felt this might be good direction to continue that work11:40
openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Add Allocation and AllocationList objects  https://review.openstack.org/28244211:40
openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Add ResourcePool and ResourcePoolList objects  https://review.openstack.org/28496311:40
openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Add a get_by_uuid for aggregates  https://review.openstack.org/28489511:40
openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Add name to ResourceProvider object  https://review.openstack.org/28194511:40
openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: WIP resource-pools/placement api  https://review.openstack.org/29310411:40
johnthetubaguytojuvone: I would get a spec up, and concentrate on describing the end user problem, there is a Nova API sub team meeting that its worth discussing ideas with, once you have that problem nicely defined11:41
johnthetubaguytojuvone: ping me to review that, its something close to my heart11:41
tojuvonejohnthetubaguy: Someday one will want also some configured/automatic actions for servers, but I will leave that for now, as its far from trivial11:41
johnthetubaguybauzas: while I had the branch checked out, it was a clean cherry-pick https://review.openstack.org/29522911:42
openstackgerritAbhishek Talwar proposed openstack/python-novaclient: flavor-id should be only integer or UUID  https://review.openstack.org/28770211:42
tojuvonejohnthetubaguy: thanks :)11:42
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: okay, fair enough, I was about to create it since I'm not a stable core (and leave you +2 it ;) )11:42
johnthetubaguytojuvone: the closest recent talk on that was with PaulMurray and paul-carlton around user's live-migrate related "preferences" for servers, for when the host is having issues, or similar, like start me back up, or leave me dead, live-migrate me, or just turn me off, etc11:43
johnthetubaguybauzas: oops, oh, well11:43
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy: no worries ;)11:44
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bauzas(actually, reviewing stable changes is something I'd like to do for Newton :-) )11:44
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tojuvonejohnthetubaguy: thanks, actually use cases can be wide, like in maintanance one might leave server on host, delete or move it to another host.. + any other API calls.. it is nto trivial.11:46
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johnthetubaguytojuvone: agreed11:47
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johnthetubaguybauzas: I think I missed the cherry-picked from stuff, could you add that in for me please?11:48
tojuvonejohnthetubaguy: But I'll come back to this, thanks for this brief talk and let's see with spec and api meeting later.11:48
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bauzasoh the -x ?11:49
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sdaguejohnthetubaguy: I thought we really wanted to stay away from policy in nova for things like that (auto restore).11:57
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tojuvonesdague: Did you mean the actions for servers I talked about. To me that is also something matter of discussing wither really have that outside (like now)12:01
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tojuvonesdague: So any automatic or configured actions could be outside Nova. For host fault management and maintenance.12:04
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sdagueright, nova should expose enough info that you can build that policy engine using the nova api12:05
sdagueanyway, like you said, that was kind of phase 2 of your proposal12:05
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openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Moves Hyper-V Fibre Channel support spec to Newton  https://review.openstack.org/27904112:13
openstackgerritBob Ball proposed openstack/nova-specs: Xenapi: a new VDI store via streaming  https://review.openstack.org/27404512:13
tojuvoneyes, that much complex with any NFV fancy features, that might state myself it is out of scope ;)12:13
openstackgerritgaryk proposed openstack/nova: Virt: add context to attach and detach interface  https://review.openstack.org/20936212:15
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openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Moves Hyper-V Storage QOS spec to Newton  https://review.openstack.org/27904212:15
openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Reproposes the Hyper-V Cluster spec to Newton  https://review.openstack.org/27904312:16
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cdentjohnthetubaguy: if you're happy to do so, can you pull your -2 off the 4 non-wip things in this stack, now that newton is open: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281945/12:18
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openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Reproposes the Hyper-V NUMA instance spec to Newton  https://review.openstack.org/27904412:19
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johnthetubaguysdague: I am not sure, we shouldn't do the auto restore totally agreed with that12:19
johnthetubaguysdague: ah, yeah, what you said, we need to expose the correct concepts, I am just not quite sure where that lands yet12:20
openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Reproposes the Hyper-V UEFI Secure Boot spec to Newton  https://review.openstack.org/27904512:20
johnthetubaguycdent: do you have the newton blueprints approved now?12:20
cdentjohnthetubaguy: ah, is that the stickler? /me looks at jaypipes ?12:21
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johnthetubaguycdent: so we should get the specs merged, to get those patches merged: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/generic-resource-pools12:21
ndipanovjaypipes, responded to your comments on here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244489/13 - thanks for taking a look.12:21
ndipanovjaypipes, so you think it makes sense to drop the node entirely for live migration?12:21
johnthetubaguycdent: yeah, -2 on any feature if there is no blueprint approved, missing feature freeze basically means you no longer have an approved blueprint, if that makes sense?12:21
openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Reproposes Hyper-V Storage QOS spec to Newton  https://review.openstack.org/27904212:21
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cdentjohnthetubaguy: does now :)12:22
openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Reproposes Hyper-V Fibre Channel support spec to Newton  https://review.openstack.org/27904112:22
tojuvonejohnthetubaguy  sdague: Topic for design summit (automatic actions / restore)?12:24
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openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Repropose expose-host-capabilities to Newton  https://review.openstack.org/28652012:24
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sdaguetojuvone: it has been long standing policy to not do that, so I don't think we should spend a design summit session on it. It would be fine to have a gap analysis on what's missing to do that externally12:25
claudiubjohnthetubaguy: hello. shouldn't we open a blueprint called nova-python3-newton?12:26
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johnthetubaguyclaudiub: yes, I got half way through that on Friday, and got distracted, do you want to create a new one, and I can get that approved12:31
claudiubjohnthetubaguy: sure, will do.12:31
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johnthetubaguytojuvone: +1 on sdague's point, lets get the problem description sorted in the spec, lets focus on the first bit of your problem around maintenance windows12:32
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johnthetubaguyclaudiub: awesome, thank you12:33
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tojuvonesdague, johnthetubaguy: I agree +1. Anyhow will have my hands full already without any actions for server ;)12:34
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cdentjohnthetubaguy, dansmith, jaypipes: I need some feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284963/ It doesn't have a direct correspondence with a data model, instead associating with three. It's not clear I'm following the proper idioms to make things go.12:37
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claudiubjohnthetubaguy: done: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nova-python3-newton12:41
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: I think this is just a cleanup from what we did - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283421/112:41
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claudiubjohnthetubaguy: plus, I think you can remove your -2 from these patches, after you approve the bp. :) https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/nova-python3-newton12:42
jrolljohnthetubaguy: for newton, does this BP need a revival or a new one? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ironic-networks-support12:42
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sbeloussdague: Hi, Sean. I very like your idea about using use_library_from_git in one of my patch to devstack (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286084) and according to this (to latest PS in patch to devstack) I create one another patch to infra — can you take a look at it, please? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295161/12:46
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sdaguesbelous: looks good, thanks12:49
sbeloussdague: cool, thank you!12:49
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openstackgerritBob Ball proposed openstack/nova-specs: Xenapi: a new VDI store via streaming  https://review.openstack.org/27404512:58
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jaypipesndipanov, cdent: hey, just got back from breakfast, let's chat after shceduler meeting, eh?13:01
ndipanovjaypipes, works for me otp at the moment13:02
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jaypipesbauzas: isn't the scheduler meeting now in meeting-atl?13:03
jaypipesalt..13:03
bauzasjaypipes: nope, in 1 hour13:03
bauzas1400UTC13:04
jaypipesguh, daylight savings.13:04
bauzasheh :)13:04
cdentjaypipes: topic?13:05
jaypipescdent: your question about about 28496313:05
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cdent✔13:07
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openstackgerritTrevor McCasland proposed openstack/nova: Correct ironic driver error log  https://review.openstack.org/29421513:14
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openstackgerritStephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova: config options: Move wsgi options into a group  https://review.openstack.org/26381213:15
openstackgerritStephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova: config options: Remove 'wsgi_' prefix from opts  https://review.openstack.org/27802313:15
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edleafeok, back to work after 10-day holiday. I don't need to read the scrollback, right? You guys didn't do anything while I was away?13:18
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openstackgerritLenny Verkhovsky proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] OVS offload POC  https://review.openstack.org/27562413:21
cdentedleafe: correct, nothing happened. As far as I can tell the most important thing was that you took lots of pictures of very tasty looking japanese food and I didn't get any.13:23
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jaypipescdent: very tasty japanese food. is there?13:25
cdentjaypipes: In addition to our hair status this is one of our differences :P13:25
jaypipescdent: :) LOL.13:25
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andrearosaedleafe: are you good in erlang?13:27
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edleafeandrearosa: can't say I am. I've only played around with it a little; never done serious development13:28
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andrearosaedleafe: ok np, at the moment we have just moved Nova not all the OS projects ;-)13:30
edleafecdent: jaypipes sees a trip to Japan as a *burden*. :)13:30
dansmithI see it as a punishment13:30
jaypipesindeed.13:30
cdentjaypipes, dansmith: what food genre would you pick as a favorite. think carefully, your answer will determine your future.13:31
jaypipescdent: is "anything other than sushi" a food genre?13:31
dansmithis "normal" a genre?13:32
cdentdansmith: normal according to whom?13:32
mriedemsdague: didn't make much progress on that webob 1.6.0 thing, looks like nova-api should be doing it's thing and webob should be getting out of the way, which makes me suspect something in the clients messing with the response body13:32
cdentjaypipes: bugs?13:32
mriedemsdague: there are a bunch of notes in https://github.com/Pylons/webob/issues/23513:32
mriedemcdent: ^ you might have input on that issue13:32
sdaguemriedem: ok13:32
* cdent reads13:32
mriedemsdague: i do have a workaround for novaclient, but not sure if we should do that13:33
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sfinucanndipanov: danpb: Could I get you folks to have a glance at this bug and its sibling? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285321/2 I think they need to be backported also, but don't know the process here13:34
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jaypipescdent: heh, no, I try to avoid those when eating.13:35
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sdaguemriedem: I vaguely remember where we mess with these things during our exception translation. But I need to get some of my home lab infrastructure sorted first, so I'll look this afternoon when I can context dump13:36
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mriedemsdague: ok13:38
edleafebauzas: can you run the scheduler meeting? I'm still digging out from being away on holiday13:38
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sdaguewe definitely return text/html when it's not wanted, and I never remember why13:39
bauzasedleafe: okay13:39
edleafebauzas: thanks13:39
cdentmriedem: I'm not smart enough today to parse all that. Or at least not to follow the path of what's getting blamed.13:39
johnthetubaguyjroll: for that one, we usually create a new one to track the newton part of the work, probably should re-approve the spec for newton as well, with an updated blueprint url13:41
cdentsomething somewhere is doing an unexpected transform on the response object and clients' expectations are being disrupted13:41
cdent?13:41
cdentbiab13:41
johnthetubaguymriedem: hey, I just did a few backports for RC2 here https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/mitaka-rc213:41
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: ok13:42
johnthetubaguymriedem: not totally sure the best way to track the possibles, the fact we go straight to fix released is making the default queries a bit annoying13:42
johnthetubaguymriedem: but it feels a bit too late to change direction on the process there, probably something for next time13:43
openstackgerritRyan Moore proposed openstack/nova: Add better help to rdp options  https://review.openstack.org/25355613:43
openstackgerritRyan Moore proposed openstack/nova: config options: centralize section: "rdp"  https://review.openstack.org/25238913:43
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: yeah, we can target them for mitaka and then filter on that i guess13:43
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johnthetubaguymriedem: +1 yeah, that seems the best way13:47
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johnthetubaguymriedem: I will post something about this to the ML, so folks know whats happening there13:48
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: although that doesn't seem to be working for me,13:48
mriedemi searched LP for open/in progress mitaka-rc2 milestone bugs, which these are, and it didn't show any results13:49
johnthetubaguymriedem: yeah, thats the bit I was talking about, its because the merged bugs are fix released, which are excluded from that by default13:49
johnthetubaguymriedem: you can bring them up in the advanced search, but its a pain.13:49
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: +1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295229/ but i don't have +213:50
mriedemsince that's held temporarily by the release team during rc13:50
johnthetubaguymriedem: oh... yes, you are right13:50
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johnthetubaguyI caught up with ttx a bit earlier, we can ping them when we are ready with the full list I guess13:51
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openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Add flavor migration routine  https://review.openstack.org/29477113:58
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make Flavor create() and destroy() work against API DB  https://review.openstack.org/29475813:58
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mriedemmdbooth: were you planning on backporting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294560/ to stable/liberty?14:03
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dansmithalaski: any idea why this is different in py3?14:06
dansmithhttp://logs.openstack.org/58/294758/3/check/gate-nova-python34/4c00439/console.html.gz#_2016-03-18_22_15_28_24814:06
alaskilooking14:07
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alaskithat 'topic' deprecation is annoying. is there a patch up for that yet?14:08
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dansmithit's super annoying14:08
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jrolljohnthetubaguy: noted, thanks14:10
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alaskidansmith: I don't see anything wrong. not sure why that TypeError is there14:13
dansmithalaski: it's like the staticmethod isn't working or something14:13
dansmithdoes staticmethod behave differently in py3 or something? if so, I haven't noticed14:14
alaskinot that I know of14:14
mriedemman the grenade jobs are falling all over themselves this morning14:15
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sdaguemriedem: an example?14:19
alaskidansmith: works for me locally14:20
dansmithalaski: whisky tango foxtrot14:20
dansmithalaski: I wonder who we should ask?14:20
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mriedemsdague: ansible timing out during ssh to install ovs14:22
alaskidansmith: not sure at this point. I'm trying to check that everything local matches the jenkins run14:22
sdaguemriedem: ok, so something deep in infrastructure14:23
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Block flavor creation until main database is empty  https://review.openstack.org/29531014:23
mriedemhttp://logs.openstack.org/59/293859/1/gate/gate-grenade-dsvm-multinode/1913647/console.html.gz#_2016-03-17_15_31_05_74514:23
dansmithalaski: I was ignoring it until this morning because I thought it was the known py3 failure, but apparently not14:23
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sdaguemriedem: that actually looks like an mtu kind of hang14:24
sdaguethe ssh command should die faster normally14:24
sdaguebut, regardless, that's the kind of thing only infra can really solve14:24
dansmithalaski: I haven't figured out any better approach than blocking create on a non-empty main db, by the way, so I pushed that up for comment14:25
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alaskidansmith: okay. will take a look shortly14:25
alaskiI haven't had any other thoughts yet either14:25
dansmithno other thoughts since friday?!14:26
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dansmithoh, about flavor creation, I see :P14:26
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alaskiheh14:28
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openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Block flavor creation until main database is empty  https://review.openstack.org/29531014:28
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Add flavor migration routine  https://review.openstack.org/29477114:28
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mriedemsdague: does the api version header stuff being content-type text/html ring a bell?14:32
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sdaguemriedem: I don't know what those words all mean together14:34
openstackgerritPawel Koniszewski proposed openstack/nova: Remove block_migration from LM post operations  https://review.openstack.org/29531514:34
openstackgerritPawel Koniszewski proposed openstack/nova: Remove block_migration argument from live migration operations  https://review.openstack.org/29531614:34
claudiubalaski: hello. can you remove your -2 from this spec pls? :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141219/14:35
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openstackgerritsahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: handle reserved pages size  https://review.openstack.org/29250014:35
openstackgerritsahid proposed openstack/nova: virt: reserved number of mempages on compute host  https://review.openstack.org/29249914:35
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openstackgerritAndrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: Replace topic with topics for messaging.Notifier  https://review.openstack.org/29531814:37
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alaskiclaudiub: done :)14:38
claudiubty. :)14:38
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openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: WIP Add ResourcePool and ResourcePoolList objects  https://review.openstack.org/28496314:46
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openstackgerritKaitlin Farr proposed openstack/nova-specs: Integrate Castellan for Key Management  https://review.openstack.org/24756114:48
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cdentjaypipes, dansmith: I self-commented https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284963/ to point out some (but not all) areas where I've got confusion14:56
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jaypipescdent: will get to that shortly.14:58
cdentthanks jaypipes14:58
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openstackgerritNikola Dipanov proposed openstack/nova-specs: Introduce host state level locking  https://review.openstack.org/29533815:06
diana_clarkeI've cherry picked a bug fix for both stable/mitaka and stable/liberty. Is there anything else I need to do? Like notify the stable maintenance team? Thanks!15:06
dansmithdiana_clarke: no, nothing else15:08
diana_clarkedansmith: perfect, thanks!15:08
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dansmithmriedem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295318/115:16
dansmithpy3 verbose logging fix15:16
dansmiththe warning makes downloading the py3 logs take like an hour15:16
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* mriedem looks15:18
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mriedemdansmith: was "Please use topics instead of topic" the thing you were seeing?15:19
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dansmithmriedem: yeah15:20
dansmithdims +1'd so you have to merge it now15:20
mriedemdansmith: that -1 felt good :)15:21
dansmithoh ffs15:21
mriedemmuwahahahaha!15:21
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openstackgerritNikola Dipanov proposed openstack/nova-specs: Enable SR-IOV physical functions assignment with Neutron port  https://review.openstack.org/29535015:24
dims_mriedem : LOL15:24
ndipanovdanpb, can you take a look at these 2 and hopefully approve them? https://review.openstack.org/295338 https://review.openstack.org/29535015:25
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mriedemndipanov: i got that first one15:28
openstackgerritGage Hugo proposed openstack/nova: Fixed multiple issues with server_concepts page  https://review.openstack.org/29428415:28
ndipanovmriedem, you're core on specs?? impressive15:28
ndipanovmriedem, thanks15:28
ndipanovthe other one would be good too - both have patches up15:29
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alaskimriedem: https://review.openstack.org/29535815:30
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ndipanovjohnthetubaguy, can you remove the -2s from https://review.openstack.org/26258315:30
ndipanovmriedem, what do you mean the diff is not trivial?15:31
ndipanovI literally just added the history line15:31
ndipanovmaybe I messed something up15:31
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mriedemndipanov: http://paste.openstack.org/show/491299/15:33
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ndipanovmriedem, not the same spec15:33
ndipanov[ndipanov@ndipanov-carbon nova-specs (pf-neutron-integration)]$ diff specs/mitaka/approved/sriov_pf_neutron_port.rst specs/newton/approved/sriov_pf_neutron_port.rst15:33
ndipanov154a155,15615:33
ndipanov>    * - Newton15:33
ndipanov>      - Re-proposed15:33
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mriedemndipanov: ah i diffed against sriov-physical-function-passthrough.rst15:34
ndipanovmriedem, yeah - tab completion15:34
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ndipanovI assume15:34
moshelejohnthetubaguy, can you remove the -2 from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199488/ the bp is approved15:36
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alaskiis there still a way to run unit tests in various orders until testr susses out a bad combination?15:48
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dansmith--until-failure or --isolate-something15:49
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dansmithour crazy verbose logger thing break until-failure, but there is (or used to be at least) a hack in there to make it work15:50
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mriedemndipanov: can you take a look at this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/155880715:54
openstackLaunchpad bug 1558807 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Volume attached at different path than reported by nova/cinder when using config drive" [Undecided,New]15:54
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moshelelbeliveau: around?15:56
ndipanovmriedem, saw it on friday - probably a libvirt driver bug as you suspected - will comment later today (phonecalls now)15:56
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dansmithsdague: do you know where we create the default flavors in the test base?15:58
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mosheledanpb: I responded to you comments https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286073/ , jaypipes: will appropriate if you can review it as well15:59
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dansmithoh god16:01
dansmithI think I remember16:01
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dansmithsdague: they're in the base migration aren't they?16:01
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mriedemdansmith: yeah, 21616:03
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dansmithugh16:05
dansmithso I guess we're going to have to migrate them to the new DB in the test base16:05
dansmithwhich is going to suck16:05
johnthetubaguyndipanov: that needs the BP approving before I can remove the -216:05
alaskidansmith: just add an api db migration to set them up (please know that I'm kidding)16:06
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dansmithalaski: heh16:06
dansmithalaski: I was thinking we had some plan at some point to remove those.. I guess we decided not to?16:06
ndipanovjohnthetubaguy, done by mriedem just a few minutes ago16:06
johnthetubaguymoshele: sure, thanks for the ping, don.16:06
danpbmoshele: yeah, i asked jaypipes to take a look at it last week16:06
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ndipanovjohnthetubaguy, https://review.openstack.org/29535016:06
johnthetubaguyndipanov: hmm, I don't see that on here, let me chase that16:07
alaskidansmith: the plan is to document how admins can set them up. the api db will not have them by default. we should probably add a migration to undo 216 at some point16:07
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: i approved the spec, didn't approve the bp yet16:07
ndipanovmriedem, johnthetubaguy is there a difference16:07
ndipanov?16:07
johnthetubaguymriedem: no worries, I can update that now16:07
danpbmoshele: jaypipes i think the resource modelling stuff jay is doing will have a big influence on how we need to deal with this16:07
johnthetubaguyndipanov: yeah, its still a manual set to approve the blueprint and target it for the correct series goal16:09
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lbeliveaumoshele: yes :)16:09
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mosheledanpb: I agree so I added this topic  it in the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-summit-ideas so we can talk about it16:11
mriedemdanpb: per https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1558866 do we need to handle x64, like in canonicalize()?16:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1558866 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Architecture ValueError Uncaught API Exception" [Undecided,New]16:11
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mriedemdanpb: actually that wouldn't help since it has to be in the ALL list for the object field enum16:11
danpbmriedem: no, the canonicalization is only done for cases where nova has historically used a non-standard arch name16:12
danpbmriedem: it isn't intended to allow the user to invent arbitrary arch names that they feel like16:13
moshelelbeliveau: so I did some debugging on the cold migration with your patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242573/16:13
danpbmriedem: so that bug is really user error for giving an invalid arch16:13
moshelelbeliveau: did you see my comment on you patch16:13
danpbmriedem: it just happens that historically we've not detected or reported such errors but have now tightened that uo16:14
danpbs/uo/up16:14
lbeliveaumoshele: Yes, thanks, unfortunately I wasn't able to work on this yet, most likely I will be able to resume mid-week16:15
lbeliveauI'll keep you updated16:15
danpbmriedem: what we do need todo though is continue to push use of ImageMeta object further up16:15
danpbmriedem: currently we only use it at the compute manager stage16:15
danpbmriedem: if we used it right from the at the api layer we ought to be able to get the errors fed back to the user in a nice manner16:15
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mriedemdanpb: yeah...it's a bit hard parsing the recreate here, i think what they did was import an image and horizon allows you to free-form input the arch, and then they must have used that to boot the instance which failed16:16
mriedemso i guess we'd have to validate the image props in the api16:17
mriedemah yup, architecture is totally free form in horizon's create image page16:18
danpbideally at time we do 'nova boot' we validate the metadata we get from glance and report any problem16:18
danpbeg so we can report  "architecture x86 is not known"16:18
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mriedemyeah16:21
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mriedemdanpb: oh, you know what, we actually are failing in the api16:25
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mriedembut the rest api code doesn't handle it since it's a ValueError16:25
mriedemwe should just convert that to a 40016:25
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openstackgerritAndrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: Replace topic with topics for messaging.Notifier  https://review.openstack.org/29531816:26
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openstackgerritKen'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Remove /v1.1 endpoint from api-guide  https://review.openstack.org/29483216:30
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: WIP: Return 400 on boot for invalid image metadata  https://review.openstack.org/29539516:34
mriedemdanpb: i think like this ^ i need to write a functional test for that16:34
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danpbmriedem: oh my bad, i didn't remember making that change in api.py16:39
mriedemnp, should be a pretty simple fix; writing the functional test is maybe harder, doing that now16:40
mriedemsdague: which now makes me think, backporting functional tests that are in 'regressions' will be messy since those aren't in liberty, so we maybe shouldn't use that if we know we're going to be backporting something16:41
mriedemcan always hack around it i guess16:41
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openstackgerritDaniel Berrange proposed openstack/nova-specs: Virtual guest device role tagging  https://review.openstack.org/28409116:44
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sdaguemriedem: yeh, or dragging back that framework is easy enough16:48
sdagueand pretty low risk16:48
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mriedemsdague: i think you had a test case in the first change, i don't remember, but yeah, i can sort it out when the time comes16:48
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ndipanovmriedem_lunch, so it seems that libvirt is actually attempting to account for the config drive...17:11
ndipanovwe may be doing it wrong though17:11
ndipanovwill try to run a test tomorrow and will comment on the bug17:12
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openstackgerritMika Ayenson proposed openstack/nova-specs: Adds nova spec instance-memory-snapshot  https://review.openstack.org/29541517:18
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paul-carlton1claudiub, having another go at getting hyperV working in devstack17:18
claudiubpaul-carlton1: cool. :)17:18
paul-carlton1Do you have an example local.conf or localrc you could share with me pls17:19
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paul-carlton1I'm looking at https://cloudbase.it/neutron-hyper-v-plugin/17:19
openstackgerritMika Ayenson proposed openstack/nova-specs: Adds nova spec instance-memory-snapshot  https://review.openstack.org/29541717:20
openstackgerritNikola Dipanov proposed openstack/nova: neutron: pci_request logic considers 'direct-physical' vnic type  https://review.openstack.org/26258417:20
openstackgerritNikola Dipanov proposed openstack/nova: pci: Add utility method for getting the MAC addr  https://review.openstack.org/26258517:20
openstackgerritNikola Dipanov proposed openstack/nova: neutron: Update the port with a MAC address for PFs  https://review.openstack.org/26258617:20
openstackgerritNikola Dipanov proposed openstack/nova: Add a vnic type for PF passthrough and a new libvirt vif driver  https://review.openstack.org/26258317:20
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claudiubpaul-carlton1: this is the local.conf that is currently used by the hyper-v ci. :) https://github.com/cloudbase/nova-ci/blob/cambridge/devstack_vm/devstack/local.conf17:22
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openstackgerritKen'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Fix JSON format of server_concepts  https://review.openstack.org/29541917:23
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claudiubpaul-carlton1: also, don't forget to install networking-hyperv, it is needed as a neutron mechanism_driver. otherwise, neutron ports will fail to bind on hyper-v hosts.17:24
paul-carlton1thanks17:24
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paul-carlton1I've done pip install -U networking_hyperv17:24
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claudiubpaul-carlton1: hm, git clone https://github.com/openstack/networking-hyperv ; cd networking-hyperv ; sudo python setup.py install17:28
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claudiubpaul-carlton1: since, networking-hyperv is under neutron governance, i don't have release rights on it, unfortunately. Which means, it hasn't been released for a while17:28
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paul-carlton1claudiub, ta17:30
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oomichisdague: hi, is it good time to merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279540/ now?17:34
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oomichisdague: your -1 seems temporary on that17:34
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openstackgerritKen'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Fix JSON format of server_concepts  https://review.openstack.org/29541917:38
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openstackgerritPushkar Umaranikar proposed openstack/nova: Config options: Centralize debugger options  https://review.openstack.org/27429817:51
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ayoungdanpb, I have some questions about how Nova uses the Oslo messaging RPC.  Can you field them, or can you point me at someone that can?17:54
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ayoungspecifically, what I am trying to figure out is:  when creating a new server, how the messages make their way from the API server, to the scheduler, and from the scheduler to the compute node.  What topics/queus are used, especially for the link from the scheduler to the compute node17:57
johnthetubaguyayoung: it doesn't work like that, it actually goes via the conductor17:57
johnthetubaguyayoung: API call conductor, which makes call to scheduler to find node, then casts to that node17:58
johnthetubaguyayoung: does that help find that path?17:58
ayoungjohnthetubaguy, ok, so conductor talks to the compute node how?17:58
ayoungyou sa y"casts"17:58
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ayoungis that a topic, or is there a queue per node?17:58
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johnthetubaguytalks to the queue specific to that nova-compute node17:59
johnthetubaguyayoung: let me find a link17:59
johnthetubaguyayoung: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/conductor/manager.py#L41817:59
ayoungjohnthetubaguy, so in that call host=host['host'],18:01
ayoungthat is the compute node?18:01
johnthetubaguyayoung: yes18:01
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johnthetubaguyayoung: set by conf.host on the compute node18:01
ayoungjohnthetubaguy, Ok, so if I do a hypervisor list, I should get an ID that can somehow map to a queue name?18:02
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johnthetubaguyayoung: yeah, if you are an admin, we don't hand out that info to regular users18:02
ayoungjohnthetubaguy, right, as admin. I am trying to lock things down right now18:02
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johnthetubaguyayoung: the queue is created when the compute node first starts, I think18:04
ayoungjohnthetubaguy, would it be one of the conductor_fanout queues?18:04
johnthetubaguyayoung: we don't use the conductor_fanout queue at all, AFAIK18:04
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ayoungjohnthetubaguy, this is what I had when I looked at it a couple weeks ago http://adam.younglogic.com/2016/03/what-can-talk-to-what-on-the-openstack-message-broker/18:05
ayoungsecond big black panel is the list of queues18:05
ayoungI have a new deployment, but it is comparable18:05
ayoungcompute.overcloud-novacompute-0.localdomain 018:05
johnthetubaguyayoung: OK, I am not sure I understand the question, sorry, which message are your trying to track down?18:06
ayoungjohnthetubaguy, so that is probably the queue between the conductor and the compute node18:06
ayoungjohnthetubaguy, I'm trying to minimize what a certain compute node can talk to18:07
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ayoungI want to give each node a separate rabbit user and write an ACL that minimizes where they can read18:07
ayoungjohnthetubaguy, I am also trying to do the same for the response queues,18:08
johnthetubaguyI though the queue was called "conductor" not "conductor_fanout"18:08
dansmithit is18:08
johnthetubaguythe response queues are dynamic for calls, that can be tricky18:08
ayoungjohnthetubaguy, right, so I would ideally find a way to name the queues based on the compute node names18:08
johnthetubaguyayoung: I don't think you have all the queues in that list, thats the exchange list not the queue_list18:09
ayoungjohnthetubaguy, there are two lists.  THe bottom was from18:09
johnthetubaguyayoung: oh wait, I was reading the wrong bit (face palm)18:09
ayoungsudo rabbitmqctl list_queues18:09
bapalmHey nova people, got a question.  I'm pinging a nova-docker based instance that is Paused and I'm still getting responses.  Is that meant to happen?  I know that stopping the instance doesn't let me ping it.18:09
ayoungjohnthetubaguy, Its OK, much easier for me to have someone to talk to about this than to try to decipher it from code18:10
johnthetubaguyayoung: its odd nova is not a separate rabbit account to neutron if you ask me, but I guess there is a reason18:10
ayoungjohnthetubaguy, so, there is that, too18:10
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ayoungall of the Neutron stuff will also have to be locked down, but I figured I tackle Nova first18:10
johnthetubaguyayoung: you see compute.overcloud-novacompute-0.localdomain thats where the create request goes18:10
ayoungthere seems to be a lot more neutron processes18:10
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johnthetubaguyayoung: I would go read up on call vs cast though, else this will be crazy confusing, let me find you a link18:11
ayoungjohnthetubaguy, so, ignoring neutron, if we created a rabbit user that had an ACL that could only read from that Queue, it would be about right18:11
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johnthetubaguyayoung: not by default18:11
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ayoungknowing that there is one queue per compute node helps. I missed that before18:12
johnthetubaguyayoung: the compute wants to create that queue when it starts up, you would have to do some other things18:12
ayoungActually, that would be OK. You can put a regex on creation, too18:12
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johnthetubaguyayoung: there is a common queue (shared, round robin), direct queue (to specific node) and fanout queue (goes to all nodes, ish) for each "manager.py" basically, not all of those get used. at least that used to be the case18:13
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ayoungjohnthetubaguy, there are three fields per ACL:  configure, read, write18:13
johnthetubaguyayoung: this covers a lot of the details: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/rpc.html18:13
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ayoungjohnthetubaguy, do those all come from conductor?  Can anything else talk to the nodes?18:14
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johnthetubaguyayoung: other compute nodes, and the API directly, basically almost everything at this point18:14
johnthetubaguyayoung: there are plans to stop that, but they haven't been finished yet18:14
ayoungjohnthetubaguy, OK. So the big thing from a security point of view is naming.  We want to make it so we can write an ACL as a regex that says "this user (compute node) can create queues named blah, read from queues named bool and write to queues named bar"18:16
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ayoungjohnthetubaguy, I noticed that notifications versus RPC is two different vhosts.  That helps, but I think that the fact that a compute node needs to do both RPC and notifications also limits how much it helps18:17
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ayoungBut, for example, we should have it so something like ceilometer, which is reading all notifications, runs as a user that can only read notifications18:17
ayoungI am most concerned with locking down where a compute node can write to.18:18
ayoungAlthough, tokens....18:18
ayoungI really don't want a rogue compute node to be able to read all tokens across the deployment18:18
dansmithayoung: any node in nova land has to be able to talk to the queue for any other one for the most part18:19
johnthetubaguydansmith: +118:19
dansmithcompute->compute, compute->conductor, conductor->compute, api->everything18:19
dansmiththere might be a few exceptions, but not worth it, IMHO, in the current architecture18:19
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johnthetubaguyyeah, we are not close enough18:20
knikollaout of curiosity, what functionality depends on compute nodes talking to eath other directly?18:20
johnthetubaguynow a vhost per project, it doesn't seem like a bad idea, but mostly incase of queue name clashes18:20
dansmithknikolla: resizes, migrations, etc18:20
johnthetubaguyknikolla: right now, migrate, resize, live-migrate18:20
johnthetubaguythere are plans to move that to the conductor, but they are not complete yet18:21
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ayoungdansmith, so, if we gave everythuing its own identity, and we include that on the message, it might be OK.18:22
johnthetubaguyits a good idea to isolate the compute, we are just not there yet18:22
johnthetubaguyayoung: that was the trusted messaging blueprint I think?18:22
ayoungso long as we know that a REquest is coming from the right source, and we can validate it.18:22
ayoungjohnthetubaguy, maybe.  I'm trying to avoid HMAC thougjh18:22
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ayoungwe shouild get what we need from the queueing system without writign our own18:22
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dansmithI dunno, security at the broker level seems like a non-starter to me18:24
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dansmith(a) it means compromising the broker is all you need to do, and (b) it sounds rather broker-specific18:24
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dansmithi.e. not sure how that would work for zmq18:25
alaskiI have a concern with (b), because I've been looking at alternatives to rabbitmq recently18:25
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dansmithyeah18:25
alaskibroker agnostic security would be preferable18:25
dansmith+218:25
ayoungdansmith, more, I think, that we make use of what the broker provides if it is there18:27
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ayoungright now, I am focused on Rabbit, but I know that what I am discussing works for Proton/Qpid18:27
ayoungI suspect Rabbit, too18:27
ayoungas that is just going brokerless, but still needs tls, identity, etc18:27
ayoungI'll look into it when I get there18:28
ayoungbut, right now, the Broker is wide open.  We need to secure that.  Doing something else on top of that to further mitigate will probably make sense, too18:28
ayoungfor exmaple, splitting notifcations from rpc was a good idea, but we need to get the deploy tools doing that now18:28
dansmithyou can give each compute credentials to the broker if you want18:29
dansmiththat's different from using broker-specific elements to secure or authenticate the source of messages18:29
ayoungdansmith, exactly.  That is the wstarting point, and we need an identity per anyway18:29
dansmiththat's a deployment concern, so definitely not something that needs discussing here18:30
ayoungdansmith, what I need from Nova is knowing what to look at when looking at the deployment18:30
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ayoungand things like "every node needs to be able to talk to every other node"18:31
ayoungdansmith, where it crosses over is that, right now, a Hypervisor can talk to everythign, and send everyt message to every other node without confirming its identity.18:32
ayoungThat is the piece that needs some support from the broker18:32
ayoungknowing who sent which message18:32
dansmithI don't really think it does18:32
dansmithI think each node being able to authenticate the source is what we need18:32
ayoungdansmith, what do you mean?18:33
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dansmithwhich we could do via broker specifics, or with something general18:33
alaski+118:33
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jrollsigned rpc, I like it18:33
alaskiayoung: consider the 0mq case where there is no central broker18:33
ayoungalaski, I think that, even in that case, you always know who sent the message18:34
dansmithjroll: right, which we've had on the books forever18:34
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ayoungsay node2 talks to node1.  If can't talk on the 0mq queue from the conductor, unless it sends a message to the conductor and the conductor forwards it...18:34
johnthetubaguydansmith: +118:34
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ayoungso, the queue system should be able to say "this message entered the system from user compute-2"18:35
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dansmithauth-by-ip is not strong enough, IMHO18:35
dansmithnor is auth-by-queue-and-trust-the-broker18:35
ayoungdansmith, agreed18:35
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ayoungdansmith, why not :" auth-by-queue-and-trust-the-broker"18:36
ayoung(agreed was on auth-by-ip)18:36
dansmithbecause it's even weaker than auth-by-ip?18:36
ayoungnope18:36
alaskiand there's not always a broker18:36
dansmithI compromise the broker and I'm done18:36
ayoungalaski, something has to set up thequeu18:36
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ayoungso...let's call that the broker for now18:36
ayoungdansmith, that is true anyway18:37
openstackgerritThomas Bachman proposed openstack/nova: VMware: Use Port Group and Key in binding details  https://review.openstack.org/28807618:37
dansmithit's not18:37
dansmithif each compute node can authenticate any other node because of a signature, and has a robust CRL mechanism or equivalent, that's much stronger than "meh, the bus"18:38
ayoungdansmith, then you've just bumped back to a different authentiacation source, but the whoel "I compromise that I've compromised everythign is still true"18:39
ayoungKerberos, CA, Nova18:39
ayoungsomething has to confirm Identity18:39
dansmithI think CA is far more robust than "don't let the rabbit server get hacked"18:39
ayoungdansmith, they are both only as secure as the machines they are running on.  If you ran, say AMQP PRoton and Kerberos authentication, you wout have the same degree of certainty18:40
ayoungor even client certs to the broker18:40
ayoungdansmith, lets table that for now.18:41
ayoungWe have nothing today18:41
dansmithlol18:41
ayounglets get something, even if it is broker based for the short term18:41
ayoungif you really want to go full HMAC, go for it,18:41
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ayoungbut we tried that, and no one took it up, so we have a queue running with one user, no TLS, and a default password18:42
ayoungok maybe not default18:42
ayoungso, even if you do HMAC, the business logic still needs to be there "this message came from compute node 4.  Can 4 legally send this message?"18:42
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ayoungalaski, as far as saying "does 0mq support it" I think that is the wrong question. I thuink the right way to approach is to say "lets make the best use of the driver we have" so we can get something specific to Rabbit, we use it.  If someone runs 0 and there is not HMAC equivalent, they just don;t get that18:45
ayoungbut it should not be up to Oslo or Nova to support.18:45
alaskiayoung: sure. my point is that doing something rabbit specific is a narrow solution. it's useful for a subset, but can't really claim to secure Nova18:46
alaskiand there have been discussions about ways to add security that do not rely on the specific messaging driver in use. That seems more useful to me18:48
ayoungalaski, in this case, it is "here is a basic operation for a message service."  Kindof like hoe Keystone does not now support sqlite in productiomn18:48
ayoungalaski, I've been tilting at this windmill for 4 years now. It has not moved.  Lets do the easy stuff first.18:48
ayoungalaski, I did PKI tokens.  I've worked with Kite...this stuff is just not where OpenStack should be spending its time. We are not a security/cryoptography savvy group (expcet for specific individuals and the Barbican project)18:49
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ayoungwe just ain't gonna do it.18:49
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ayoungMeanwhile, there are very simple things we can do.  That is all I am trying to understand here.18:50
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alaskiayoung: I'm not against making rabbit usage more secure. I'm just not convinced it gets us very far.18:50
ayoungHMAC is actually impractical here.  It requires symetric crypto in order to be performant, and then you can't do broadcast18:50
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dansmithwe do no broadcast18:51
ayoungdansmith, let me rephrase: it  requires a separate shared symmetric secrete between each of the two communicators or you have impersonation18:52
dansmithyeah, and without that I think it's of minimal use18:52
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ayoungdansmith, the only place I saw where it made good sense when I discussed this last (2 years ago?)was scheduler groups.  I'm sure there are others.18:53
ayoungKerberos actually makes all this quite possible.  Now, while we don;'t want Kerberos as a requirement, we also don't want to end up building our own crappy Kerberos reimplementation18:54
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doffmalaski: If you have the time could you take a look at the aggregates api move spec. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288084/219:25
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doffmI'm especially interested if you think leaving the aggregate_hosts table in the cell db is a good idea.19:25
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doffmWas suggested by johnthetubaguy (I think)19:26
openstackgerritTom Patzig proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add "disable root_disk" option to flavors  https://review.openstack.org/26767319:27
openstackgerritVladik Romanovsky proposed openstack/nova: tests: Adding functional tests to cover VM creation with sriov  https://review.openstack.org/29478019:28
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alaskidoffm: sure19:31
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: Return 400 on boot for invalid image metadata  https://review.openstack.org/29539519:31
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doffmalaski: I'm trying to follow dansmith's flavor series as a canonical example. Doing the 'get from api db' patch now. There is quite alot of work to do with the 'hosts' property if the aggregate_hosts remains in cell.19:34
doffmJust want to make sure i'm not going down a bad path.19:34
dansmithdoffm: you're asking alaski for help with my patch series? :)19:34
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doffmdansmith: I'm asking for help with the spec to do the same with aggregates.19:35
dansmithI know, I just mean understanding mine.. just joking19:35
doffmdansmith: Your series is my golden example. :)19:35
dansmith+119:35
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dansmithdoffm: aggregate is going to the top, but aggregate_hosts is n ot?19:41
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alaskijohn had some concern about moving it up as well. but looking at the db queries and relationships involved I don't see not moving them both up19:44
alaskiwell, all three. aggregates, agg_hosts, agg_metadata19:44
doffmWell, its possible to not move aggregate_hosts, but I'm beginning to agree with you that looking at the queries involved it might not be a good idea.19:45
dansmithhow else would you do it? merge the lists of all the hosts across the cells/19:45
doffmdansmith: Yep.19:45
dansmithokay19:45
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alaskiI know johnthetubaguys concern was that agg_hosts might need to scale with the global number of hosts. But it's a tiny table and I hope will eventually move out to be a scheduler concern19:47
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doffmYep. If you multiply hosts by aggregates the table size is going to reach 2-300,000. (Ha, one day). It should go to the infamous scheduler/placement db.19:52
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doffmalaski: I'll change for now to put in api. Point johnthetubaguy at it for his thoughts.19:52
alaskidoffm: okay, I just added some comments to the spec about it19:53
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alaskiA simple test I like to use is assume we detach a cell and promote the compute/conductor API to be a new interface we expect someone to use. Does the data have meaning?19:54
alaskifor agg_hosts I don't believe it does19:54
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doffmalaski: Yeah, thats a really good way to think about it. Its scheduling data rather than cell data.19:55
alaskithere are of course other concerns, like scale, that affect the decision. but that's my first pass filter19:55
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doffmWell I think the scale isn't that much of an issue here. As you mentioned its a small row. A huge aggregate hosts table could still fit in memory and be very fast.19:56
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alaskiyeah19:57
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openstackgerritSean Dague proposed openstack/nova: use upstream openstackdocstheme  https://review.openstack.org/29548520:04
openstackgerritSean Dague proposed openstack/nova: WIP: post processing inspection of doctree  https://review.openstack.org/29548620:04
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mriedemdansmith: this just came up in the ops channel, can you take a look (simple backport to liberty)? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288529/20:08
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dansmithmriedem: I'm not sure that's be best way for us to be doing elevated()20:10
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mriedemdansmith: shrug? it was fixed that way in a bunch of projects https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/138693220:13
openstackLaunchpad bug 1386932 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "context.elevated: copy.copy causes admin role leak" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Matthew Gilliard (matthew-gilliard-u)20:13
dansmithmriedem: just seems silly to copy a bunch of things we don't really need20:13
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bauzasp!spy20:15
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mriedemas much as i love looking at this guy's strace output, i'm not sure it's a nova bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/155869920:22
openstackLaunchpad bug 1558699 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "25 second timeout while polling the machine-id file/dev/urandom" [Undecided,New]20:22
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openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make FlavorList.get_all() return results from the API and main DBs  https://review.openstack.org/29425220:25
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make flavor extra_specs operations work against the API DB  https://review.openstack.org/29471020:25
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Block flavor creation until main database is empty  https://review.openstack.org/29531020:25
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Add flavor migration routine  https://review.openstack.org/29477120:25
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make Flavor access routines work against API database  https://review.openstack.org/29431320:25
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make Flavor create() and destroy() work against API DB  https://review.openstack.org/29475820:25
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openstackgerritSujitha proposed openstack/nova: Added new exception to handle CinderClientException  https://review.openstack.org/29015620:32
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openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make flavor extra_specs operations work against the API DB  https://review.openstack.org/29471020:49
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Block flavor creation until main database is empty  https://review.openstack.org/29531020:49
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Add flavor migration routine  https://review.openstack.org/29477120:49
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make Flavor access routines work against API database  https://review.openstack.org/29431320:49
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make Flavor create() and destroy() work against API DB  https://review.openstack.org/29475820:49
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dansmithalaski: wanna hear a funny story?21:10
alaskidansmith: sure21:10
dansmithalaski: I moved them all to module-level methods21:11
dansmithand I still see the problem after a full run21:11
dansmithonly on py321:11
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alaskiwhat!21:11
dansmithikr?21:12
dansmithI'm adding some instrumentation and re-running21:12
alaskiI'm starting to want to abandon python 3 altogether21:12
dansmithalaski: I'm going to drag it out to the field, cue some gangster music and stomp it pretty soon21:12
dansmithalaski: yeah21:12
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dansmithI'm kinda wondering if there is some lack of py3 testing on things like oslo or something that lets stuff like this in21:13
dansmithseems weird that it's just that nova-specific21:13
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alaskiyeah. and only on a full test run.21:14
dansmithyeah21:14
dansmithsomething really fragile21:14
dansmithbecause my instrumentation shows that it's not a mock we're hitting, just like you said21:14
dansmithso I don't know what to say21:14
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alaskiI'm at a loss right now as well. But I also really want to figure this out21:15
dansmithso just to be clear,21:15
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dansmithwhat I did was move the method to a module function,21:15
dansmithand I retained a @staticmethod as the jump point21:16
dansmithwhich just calls the module function21:16
dansmithbut the oslo_db decorator is on the module-level one21:16
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dansmithit fails in calling the staticmethod on the object, above the call to the decorated function21:17
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alaskiinteresting21:17
dansmithwhich I guess would seem to pull oslo.db out of it21:17
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dansmithbut...21:17
dansmithat this point it's just a staticmethod we're mocking in some places21:17
dansmithso unless mock is broken in how it restores a staticmethod...21:17
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alaskihuh, so the first question is what would happen if those mocks were removed and those tests just set to pass for now21:19
dansmithwell, I was thinking maybe I'd change to mock the module functions on the one projects one and see if that makes that case go away21:20
dansmiththe reason I kept the staticmethods is so we can just plob it back into place and not have to change the mocks now or then21:21
alaskiright, that makes sense21:21
dansmithoh, you know...21:21
dansmithif I decorate a test function21:22
dansmither, hmm, n21:22
dansmithI was thinking if t here could be some interaction with the save/restore of the registry21:22
dansmithbut I don't think so21:22
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openstackgerritAndrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: Populate instance_mappings during boot  https://review.openstack.org/26392521:28
openstackgerritAndrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: Include CellMapping in InstanceMapping object  https://review.openstack.org/28630921:28
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alaskijohnthetubaguy: can you unminustwo https://review.openstack.org/28630921:29
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alaskidansmith: pulling your update down to look some more21:29
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dansmithalaski: I replaced one mock and it made no difference, trying the other which is a self.stub_out21:30
mriedemdansmith: alaski: i didn't vote on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294252/ but i'm tempted to -1 and ask for a marker not found functional test21:31
mriedemwe're mocking a lot of db stuff out in the unit tests21:31
mriedemmy thinking is, changes to nova.db.sqlalchemy.api usually require a live db backend test in nova.tests.unit.db.test_db_api,21:32
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mriedembut we're not really enforcing that with the db api stuff moved into the objects21:32
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alaskimriedem: good call on the marker return in the unit test21:33
alaskiOne of the commit messages seemed to indicate that functional testing can't easily occur until the patch with create()21:34
mriedemalaski: we can't have a functional test that stubs out resources in both db's?21:34
alaskibecause it's not easy to populate the api db at this point to test the mixed scenario21:34
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melwittmriedem: good point on the db api stuff that's moved into the objects21:35
dansmithmriedem: it's not very functional21:35
dansmithif you do21:35
alaskiwe don't usually stub out anything in a functional test21:35
dansmithso, if you look at the second to last patch,21:35
dansmithit's got a functional test that covers all the stuff inside the object21:35
mriedemalaski: 'stub' is a bad word there, i mean load up the db with some records21:35
dansmithbut having things split just made it hard to do that until the end, which I think is fine21:35
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alaskimriedem: until https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294758/6/nova/objects/flavor.py there's no method for doing that21:35
dansmithalaski: so I think it's self.stub_out that is breaking me21:36
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mriedemalaski: well, sure there is, you could use the models21:36
mriedemalaski: granted, that would be duplicating this work...21:36
alaskimriedem: sure. I was less concerned because the db logic is almost a straight port at this point21:37
melwittthe mega functional test could go on the top patch like dansmith mentioned21:37
dansmithmelwitt: it's there21:37
alaskidansmith: which stub_out?21:37
dansmithalaski: in test_flavor_access21:37
alaskiokay21:38
mriedemdansmith: this 2nd to last patch? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294771/21:38
dansmithmriedem: here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294758/6/nova/tests/functional/db/test_flavor.py21:38
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dansmithI added one today making it third to last21:38
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mriedemdansmith: i don't see anything in there about testing a marker not found, unless i'm missing it21:39
dansmithnope, not disagreeing with the need to test that case,21:40
dansmithI'm saying that's where I have functional tests of the db methods I'm adding21:40
mriedemok, so,21:40
mriedemi'd be ok with deferring that test to that later change21:40
mriedemwhere the stuff is ready for setting it up21:40
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mriedembut, i'd kind of like to see it passing that before landing this bottom change where i raised the issue, plus the unit test in the bottom change is wrong i believe21:41
dansmithsure21:41
mriedemwrong in that it returns [] rather than raises MarkerNotFOund21:41
mriedemeverything else was beautiful21:41
dansmithokay, just note it and I'll hit it.. trying to unfuck this python3 bullshit right now21:41
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cdentdansmith, alaski would be cool if you guys could do a post mortem after you figure it out. please and thank you.21:44
dansmithcdent: here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9wsjroVlu821:44
cdentnice21:45
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alaskidansmith: I made the stubbed in method a staticmethod to see if that helps21:45
alaskiI hit a issue with stub_out and classmethods a bit ago where that's what I needed to do. but it failed angrily on py27 at least21:46
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alaskinope, didn't help21:48
dansmithso changing those stub_outs helped in that I fail 108 instead of ~4k on py321:48
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alaskihuh, I'm only failing 1521:49
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dansmithreally?21:49
dansmithI get a ton21:49
dansmithwell,21:49
dansmithI'm on top of the top patch which isn't really done yet anyway21:49
alaskiahh21:49
alaskiI'm at the first one that fails21:49
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make FlavorList.get_all() return results from the API and main DBs  https://review.openstack.org/29425221:50
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make flavor extra_specs operations work against the API DB  https://review.openstack.org/29471021:50
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Block flavor creation until main database is empty  https://review.openstack.org/29531021:50
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Add flavor migration routine  https://review.openstack.org/29477121:50
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make Flavor access routines work against API database  https://review.openstack.org/29431321:50
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make Flavor create() and destroy() work against API DB  https://review.openstack.org/29475821:50
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mriedemdansmith: i think the way to unfuck your python 3 bullshit is with some unicode probably21:51
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dansmithoh yeah that'd help21:51
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openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: WIP Add ResourcePool and ResourcePoolList objects  https://review.openstack.org/28496321:53
openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: WIP resource-pools/placement api  https://review.openstack.org/29310421:54
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moshelejaypipes:hi22:05
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moshelejaypipes: hi22:09
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: Return 400 on boot for invalid image metadata  https://review.openstack.org/29539523:05
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jaypipesdansmith: so.. on sahid's patch on huge page reservations, keep in mind that the 2MB, 1GB string formats there are actually what is supported in image and flavor properties that denote memory page sizes, so actually there's some precedent for that notation I believe.23:14
dansmithjaypipes: yeah, I get that,23:15
jaypipesk, just wanted to make sure, that's all.23:15
dansmithjaypipes: I just want to describe things properly.. he says they should be specified in KiB, and then gives examples of "1GB"23:15
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jaypipesdansmith: understood.23:19
dansmithI would prefer we use shorthand like "1GB"23:19
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openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make FlavorList.get_all() return results from the API and main DBs  https://review.openstack.org/29425223:47
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make flavor extra_specs operations work against the API DB  https://review.openstack.org/29471023:47
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Block flavor creation until main database is empty  https://review.openstack.org/29531023:47
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Add flavor migration routine  https://review.openstack.org/29477123:47
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make Flavor access routines work against API database  https://review.openstack.org/29431323:47
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make Flavor create() and destroy() work against API DB  https://review.openstack.org/29475823:47
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