Tuesday, 2015-10-06

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openstackgerritTakashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova: Fix cinder volume stuck in swap_volume  https://review.openstack.org/20738500:27
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/23123800:31
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openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: DNM: Drop Instance v1.x support  https://review.openstack.org/22069000:36
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Fix up Service object for manifest-based backports  https://review.openstack.org/23126900:36
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Clean up tests for dropping obj_relationships  https://review.openstack.org/23127000:36
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Remove obj_relationships from objects  https://review.openstack.org/23127100:36
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openstackgerritZack Buhman proposed openstack/python-novaclient: novaclient.v1_1: replace MovedModule with pep302 finder/loader  https://review.openstack.org/23076903:48
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openstackgerritRamakrishnan G proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add support for booting bare metals from Cinder volume  https://review.openstack.org/21110104:58
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openstackgerritRamakrishnan G proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add support for booting bare metals from Cinder volume  https://review.openstack.org/21110105:17
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openstackgerritTimofey Durakov proposed openstack/nova-specs: Split different live-migration types in nova  https://review.openstack.org/22591007:41
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bauzasgood morning Nova07:57
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tdurakovhi folks!08:03
tdurakovjohnthetubaguy, haven't you seen my spec for live-migration split?08:04
johnthetubaguyjroll: that looks good for a backport to me, added the potential, just was waiting for a patch to appear08:04
johnthetubaguytdurakov: I havn't done a detail review of that yet, but I remember seeing it in the list I am attacking08:04
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tdurakovjohnthetubaguy, thanks, hope we could make it happen during mitaka:)08:06
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johnthetubaguytdurakov: there is a lot of folks looking at live migrate for mitaka, I am thinking about making it some kind of group or priority, mostly so you can get together and make sure you are going in the same direction :)08:10
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: morning08:10
johnthetubaguybauzas: morning08:10
tdurakovjohnthetubaguy, sounds good08:10
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: again, FYI https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231172/08:10
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bauzasyet another bug needing a backport...08:11
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy: the master branch is still needing a +W https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231166/08:11
johnthetubaguybauzas: I totally thought that was tested in gate :S08:11
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: yup :/08:12
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: that's something I wondered with mriedem last night08:12
andrearosajohnthetubaguy: +1 for live migrate task force group08:12
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: so we decided to revert the change instead of just fixing the nit08:12
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bauzastdurakov: andrearosa: there is a session proposal from PaulMurray, you should stay tuned :)08:13
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andrearosabauzas: yeap, thanks08:14
bauzastdurakov: also, re: our yesterday morning discussion about RPC versioning, there is a new blogpost you should consider :)08:14
tdurakovbauzas, link please:)08:14
bauzastdurakov: http://www.danplanet.com/blog/2015/10/05/upgrades-in-nova-rpc-apis/08:14
tdurakovbauzas, thank you08:14
bauzas^that one is the first of a series that dansmith is writing - and by chance, I previewed the next ones, very helpful08:15
tdurakovyep, nice to have such articles08:16
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: re: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231166/ given that the master change isn't yet merged and consequently the liberty backport -2'd by ttx, I'd advocate for a RC3 if you cut by today RC208:16
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy: that's a libvirt+configdrive configuration, hence the High prio but I can raise it if needed08:17
johnthetubaguybauzas: yeah, agreed, just reviewing that, and +2 ing it08:17
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy: I mean, I don't want to defer a RC2 cut by waiting for this change to be landed, given that you plan to do it by today08:18
openstackgerritBob Ball proposed openstack/nova: XenAPI: Workaround for 6.5 iSCSI bug  https://review.openstack.org/23110308:18
johnthetubaguybauzas: we might want to, looking at it08:18
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: it's your call08:18
pilgrimstackHi, I wrote a spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221375/, what is the next step? how to advocate for it and make it high in the backlog of Nova?08:19
johnthetubaguypilgrimstack: so really its just a case of waiting for a review08:20
johnthetubaguypilgrimstack: the problem is we have basically removed/deprecated ratelimits in Liberty, if I remember correctly, as our current ratelimit just never works in any sensible setup08:21
pilgrimstackhmmm, it didn't work or it was incomplet?08:22
pilgrimstackthere is something else to provide something like 'limiting the calls per user and the number of instances creation" ?08:24
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: do you plan some Spec review day, btw. ?08:25
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: I can surely take a look on specs, just wondering on a general basis08:25
pilgrimstackmanage it with the quota side could be very usefull08:25
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johnthetubaguybauzas: so I haven't gone through the release dates yet, and made a Nova version, I usually do that post summit08:25
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johnthetubaguybauzas: I am reviewing specs now, slowly, if that helps you decide08:26
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: eh eh, no I mean what I like with specs review day is that people are aware we'll housekeeping08:26
bauzaswe'll be*08:26
johnthetubaguypilgrimstack: the rate limit stores its state locally, or something like that, so only works if you have on API node, if I remember correctly08:26
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johnthetubaguypilgrimstack: as we understand it, most folks just use a loadbalancer to do the rate limiting, so its of little use to most deployers08:27
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johnthetubaguypilgrimstack: now, it could be something we could add into quotas, but they need some serious fixing up (we have a draft spec with ideas) but no one is stepping up to fix that right now08:28
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pilgrimstackok but I think we need something bigger08:28
pilgrimstackyep rate-limit managed by quota is the good way08:29
ZZellejohnthetubaguy, hi08:29
pilgrimstackwe can have important customer and we want to allow them to make a lot of calls and spawn a lot of instances quickely08:30
johnthetubaguypilgrimstack: can you not use the loadbalancer to rate limit build requests, I guess not?08:30
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pilgrimstackand for small client, we want to limit them to protect the scheduler08:30
johnthetubaguypilgrimstack: yeah, so there are ways to configure the scheduler that help a little, but "back pressure" is a good idea, the question might just be who implements that08:31
pilgrimstacka load balancer will not be aware that there is different limit on different people08:31
johnthetubaguyZZelle: hi08:31
ZZellejohnthetubaguy, could you remove your -2 on https://review.openstack.org/186716 ? Do we need to do something special in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack/?searchtext=vmware-use-datastore-copy ?08:31
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bauzaspilgrimstack: johnthetubaguy: well, I wonder how much all of that is related to quotas08:32
pilgrimstackjohnthetubaguy: the question might just be who implements that => ^^08:32
pilgrimstackgood question08:32
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bauzasI mean, that should stay probably a quota enforcement08:32
johnthetubaguyZZelle: you need to get the blueprint approved, in this case it can just go on the spec-less blueprint list08:32
pilgrimstackbauzas: where do you manage limitations per user?08:33
johnthetubaguybauzas: so I am thinking about the new quota system, we would have a row for each resource quota claim, with a date of the claim, so we could do a quick ratelimit check on that data08:33
bauzaspilgrimstack: that's where the work should be done IMHO08:33
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed openstack/nova-specs: (follow up) Nova Image v1 -> v2  https://review.openstack.org/23135708:33
johnthetubaguyZZelle: the current plan is using a similar process to last cycle, which is covered here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Liberty_Release_Schedule#How_do_I_get_my_code_merged.3F08:33
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: do you have a spec for the quota reworking or what that still WIP after YVR ?08:34
bauzasby you, I mean do you know :)08:34
johnthetubaguybauzas: I think that spec from alaski is still WIP08:35
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: oh I remember that one08:35
bauzasright08:35
pilgrimstackdo you already think about putting count value (calls, instances creations…) in Time Series service (Gnocchi :p) and work with that ?08:35
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: oh, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182445/08:37
openstackgerritPavel Kholkin proposed openstack/nova: Maintain the order of vifs between hard reboots  https://review.openstack.org/23100908:38
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johnthetubaguypilgrimstack: its a possible implementation, but I wouldn't want it to be the default driver08:40
johnthetubaguypilgrimstack: we get loads of complaints about how hard we are to setup, need a really good excuse to make it worse!08:41
openstackgerritPavel Kholkin proposed openstack/nova: Switch to oslo.cache lib  https://review.openstack.org/20304908:41
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bauzaspilgrimstack: the idea is that we want to have Nova staying simple08:45
bauzaspilgrimstack: we provide all those events as notifications that can be consumed08:46
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bauzaspilgrimstack: so in general, some triggers can be done using those metrics08:46
bauzaspilgrimstack: but for your usecase, I feel it's not exactly that, it's just the problem that you can't define quotas per user08:47
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openstackgerritRajesh Tailor proposed openstack/nova: Allow force-delete irrespective of VM task_state  https://review.openstack.org/16379808:47
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bauzaspilgrimstack: that's not as best as a velocity metric like nr_req/hour, but that's still a good move that you can mix with rate limiting08:48
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openstackgerritUkesh Kumar proposed openstack/nova: nova.virt.libvirt.driver._get_guest_config method is nearly 400 LOC and should be broken up  https://review.openstack.org/22938208:51
johnthetubaguybauzas: pilgrimstack: so to be clear, agreed with the problem being one that needs address (backpresure when the cloud is "busy"), just unsure how we do that in Nova with minimal scope creep08:52
bauzas+1 hence the backlog spec08:52
johnthetubaguypilgrimstack: as an aside, have you tuned the scheduler at all? like using caching scheduler, reduce the greenlet thread pool to 5 or lower, etc?08:53
pilgrimstackyep, I see 2 different subject like bauzas said08:54
johnthetubaguypilgrimstack: its also worth capturing some of those things in the alternatives section in the backlog spec, if that helps make it real08:55
bauzaspilgrimstack: are you really facing a scheduler capacity issue ?08:55
bauzaspilgrimstack: do you see the scheduler process just eating the io_time cpu ?08:55
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: also I wonder by much the performance increased now that we have a different pymysql driver08:56
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johnthetubaguybauzas: so I have seen the need for back preasure myself, it depends where your breaking point is08:57
johnthetubaguybauzas: so pymysql will mean more parallism, which may not be a good thing08:57
openstackgerritAlexander Schmidt proposed openstack/nova-specs: libvirt: Exploit new IO features  https://review.openstack.org/23096808:58
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: agreed08:58
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pilgrimstackdo you see the scheduler process just eating the io_time cpu ? => good question, I'll check08:58
pilgrimstackthe fact is08:58
johnthetubaguypilgrimstack: seriously though, try the caching scheduler, and reducing the thread pool, it will buy you a lot of head room08:58
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: well, I totally get you when you say it depends on where your bottleneck is, hence my question to pilgrimstack :)08:58
bauzas+1 to johnthetubaguy08:59
bauzasgiven you're CPU-bounded by the scheduler process08:59
johnthetubaguy(oh, and make sure you only run one scheduler at once)08:59
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pilgrimstacka customer can make a call with max_count 500, he will have many instances in error state and other customers will have longer time response09:00
bauzasright, but pilgrimstack should have followed my meetup :p09:00
bauzaspilgrimstack: so, I'm not sure that's the scheduler which could limit09:01
pilgrimstackI did ;)09:01
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johnthetubaguypilgrimstack: oh, with max_count, hmm, the caching scheduler will not help you there, what were the errors, out of interest?09:01
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pilgrimstackwe have filters which consume a lot of cpu/time09:01
bauzasthat's my feeling, I don't feel it's the scheduler which makes that failing09:01
johnthetubaguypilgrimstack: oh dear... that would answer it09:02
bauzaspilgrimstack: that's not normal09:02
bauzaspilgrimstack: which version are your running ?09:02
bauzasKilo ?09:02
bauzasor Juno ?09:02
johnthetubaguypilgrimstack: the filters and weights should be simple calculations on the host state, otherwise the system falls over, we have fixed up most filters to be like that now09:03
johnthetubaguybauzas: honestly, we have a problem that folks have copied our broken filters and weighters09:03
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: right, but we fixed that in Kilo09:03
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johnthetubaguybauzas: for the in tree ones, yes09:04
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: pilgrimstack is from OVH, I guess they run their own infra09:04
flaper87sudipto: hey, you around? Would you mind sticking around in #openstack-glance for a while? At least until we get the nova work done :)09:04
johnthetubaguyZZelle: just as a heads up, I did add your blueprint on the list to be discussed at the next nova meeting, and added my +1 for it being approved09:04
pilgrimstackbauzas: Juno09:05
bauzaspilgrimstack: so I'd be very interested in knowing which filters are eating your CPU09:05
bauzaspilgrimstack: but I can bet on some09:05
ZZellejohnthetubaguy, thanks09:06
sudiptoflaper87, getting there in 2 mins.09:06
sudiptorather 2 seconds09:06
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sudiptoflaper87, i will stick there from now one :)09:06
sudiptos/one/on09:06
openstackgerritNoel Nelson Dsouza proposed openstack/nova: Avoid deleting flavors which are currently in use by instances either in running or shutoff state.  https://review.openstack.org/21767409:07
pilgrimstackthe filters are home made BUT :p my question was not "scheduler sucks, how to change it" :p my quesiton is I need to protect my ressources and allow comsumtion differently for each customers09:08
bauzaspilgrimstack: sure the answer to that is quotas :)09:10
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johnthetubaguybauzas: I think we need some docs on custom filters and weighers, if you fancy it09:10
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy: well, the key problem is how we get those to the HostState, which means how we could somehow extend the scheduler09:14
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: but I can draw some guidelines for sure09:15
johnthetubaguybauzas: agreed, its a good exercise, I mean I am hoping most would use the existing data09:15
bauzasat least, I should mention the new RequestSpec objectification work, because it will impact all of those filters09:16
bauzasthat still needs to be approved, fer sur09:16
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johnthetubaguysdague: I was looking at the v20 and v20-legacy, can we make one of those neutron, and the other do postgres, to save a few infra cycles?09:47
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openstackgerritAndrey Kurilin proposed openstack/nova: [Py34] Enable api.openstack.test_wsgi unit test  https://review.openstack.org/23107609:55
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johnthetubaguyclaudiub: I am guess some of the specless blueprints for the last release need to get re-approved for mitaka, do you have a list of those?10:01
claudiubjohnthetubaguy: i don't remember a lot of specless bps. The only one I remember right now is the host maintenance one: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-host-maintenance but I'm going to recheck and I'll let you know10:03
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johnthetubaguyclaudiub: do you have the specs up for the others for fast-re-approve?10:03
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claudiubjohnthetubaguy: you mean the BPs with specs that have previously been approved?10:07
claudiubjohnthetubaguy: specless bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-imagecache-cleanup10:07
johnthetubaguyclaudiub: yeah10:07
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claudiubjohnthetubaguy: well, the BPs with "Pending Approval" Design is a good rule of thumb: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova?searchtext=hyper-v10:09
gmannsdague: johnthetubaguy : do we have API meeting today?10:09
johnthetubaguyclaudiub: so we need the spec review up for me to approve them, are they all up for review?10:09
johnthetubaguygmann: I don't remember what we agreed, I will be around to talk about docs if others are around10:10
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claudiubjohnthetubaguy: except for uefi-secure-boot bp, all other specs have been approved.10:11
gmannjohnthetubaguy: ohk, i also do not remember exactly10:11
johnthetubaguyclaudiub: they have to be approved for mitaka10:11
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johnthetubaguyclaudiub: so they need re-submitting10:11
claudiubjohnthetubaguy: ooh... so the specs need to be moved from liberty to mitaka10:11
claudiubjohnthetubaguy: i see.10:12
johnthetubaguyclaudiub: well, cut and pasted, but yes10:12
claudiubjohnthetubaguy: k, I can do that.10:12
johnthetubaguyclaudiub: if you add "previously-approved" then I can just +2 +W them all10:12
claudiubjohnthetubaguy: ok then, will take care of this10:12
johnthetubaguyclaudiub: the reason we do it, is to make sure they are still in scope after any discussions over the cycle, there are a few we are blocking the fast re-approve as it turns out we didn't have consensus on the design, but I don't think thats the case with any of yours10:13
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johnthetubaguyclaudiub: its the same as the last two releases basically, it should be documented in the diagram of doom: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Liberty_Release_Schedule#How_do_I_get_my_code_merged.3F10:14
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openstackgerritNoel Nelson Dsouza proposed openstack/nova: Avoid deleting flavors currently used by instances either in Running or Shutoff state.  https://review.openstack.org/21767410:15
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claudiubjohnthetubaguy: one more thing: there was an effort to make nova py3 compatible in liberty, right? Well, there was a thing that was missed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229578/ do you think it is backportable to liberty?10:19
claudiubjohnthetubaguy: I'd say yes, but I'd like your confirmation as well.10:20
johnthetubaguyclaudiub: py34 support is miles off right now, just started to scratch the surface in liberty10:20
claudiubjohnthetubaguy: well, we've been working on making our drivers / agents work in py3 and it's currently the only patch we need to have it running10:21
johnthetubaguyclaudiub: I don't see the point in backporting that really10:21
johnthetubaguyclaudiub: oh interesting, its surprising its that close10:21
claudiubyeah10:22
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johnthetubaguyclaudiub: the plan in the spec was quite simple really, get unit tests pass, then get tempest pass, then we claim py34 support10:22
johnthetubaguywe haven't done the first bit yet10:22
claudiubjohnthetubaguy: I see. Well, that's the only issue we observed for nova-compute services. Can't we just report a bug for it and mark it as appropriate for liberty? :)10:23
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bauzasclaudiub: just catching the convo but backporting a change for supprting py3.4 in Liberty sounds a bit overkill10:24
johnthetubaguyclaudiub: thats up the the stable maintainers, its too late for liberty itself, really10:25
claudiubbauzas: well, it is just a 3 LOC change.10:25
bauzasclaudiub: I can just explode the compute manager with +1/-1 :p10:26
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johnthetubaguyclaudiub: I just added some comments on that patch, it would be good to get the unit tests fixed up for that, I feel: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229578/310:29
claudiubbauzas: true, but it's just a trivial patch, shouldn't cause any problems, as it is covered by unit tests10:29
sdaguegmann: we do, I'm running it. I guess I forgot to send out an email on it10:30
bauzasclaudiub: like johnthetubaguy said, it's all up to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch#Stable_branch_policy10:30
openstackgerritRadomir Dopieralski proposed openstack/nova: Handle 404 responses from neutron when polling for floating IPs  https://review.openstack.org/21674610:32
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openstackgerritBob Ball proposed openstack/nova: XenAPI: Workaround for 6.5 iSCSI bug  https://review.openstack.org/23110310:56
openstackgerritBob Ball proposed openstack/nova: XenAPI: Fix unit tests for python34  https://review.openstack.org/23141210:56
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openstackgerritTimofey Durakov proposed openstack/nova-specs: Split different live-migration types in nova  https://review.openstack.org/22591011:07
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openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Moves the Hyper-V Cluster spec to Mitaka  https://review.openstack.org/23141611:10
openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Moves the Hyper-V NUMA instance spec to Mitaka  https://review.openstack.org/23141711:10
openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Moves Hyper-V vTPM instances spec to Mitaka  https://review.openstack.org/23141811:10
openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Moves Hyper-V Fibre Channel support spec to Mitaka  https://review.openstack.org/23141911:10
openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Moves Hyper-V Storage QOS spec to Mitaka  https://review.openstack.org/23142011:10
claudiubjohnthetubaguy:  ^ specs for Mitaka11:10
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claudiubjohnthetubaguy: specless blueprints, previously approved: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-ovs-vif  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-rescue  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-vnic-hot-plug  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyperv-serial-ports  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-block-device-mapping-support11:12
johnthetubaguyclaudiub: they are all specless, and previously approved right?11:13
claudiubjohnthetubaguy: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-host-maintenance11:13
claudiubjohnthetubaguy: yes11:13
johnthetubaguyclaudiub: ideally those previously approved need to git commit tag: https://github.com/openstack/nova-specs#previously-approved-specifications11:15
johnthetubaguyclaudiub: but I have added them into this etherpad instead: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking11:16
claudiubjohnthetubaguy: oh, I see. Also, it seems I had to copy the spec, not move. I'll amend them11:16
johnthetubaguyclaudiub: yes, as I mentioned above, it should be a copy not a move11:16
claudiubjohnthetubaguy: Ok, I see. My bad. Will update this shortly.11:17
johnthetubaguyclaudiub: no worries, I will get on that list after I have got some lunch (before the api-meeting starts!)11:17
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openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Moves the Hyper-V Cluster spec to Mitaka  https://review.openstack.org/23141611:24
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openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Moves the Hyper-V NUMA instance spec to Mitaka  https://review.openstack.org/23141711:30
openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Moves Hyper-V vTPM instances spec to Mitaka  https://review.openstack.org/23141811:32
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openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Moves Hyper-V Fibre Channel support spec to Mitaka  https://review.openstack.org/23141911:34
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openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Moves Hyper-V Storage QOS spec to Mitaka  https://review.openstack.org/23142011:38
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openstackgerritNoel Nelson Dsouza proposed openstack/nova: Avoid deleting flavors currently used by instances either in Running or Shutoff state.  https://review.openstack.org/21767411:48
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openstackgerritBalazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add notification for service status change  https://review.openstack.org/18235012:00
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edleafeis there a nova api meeting now?12:02
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edleafeor did we decide to cancel it?12:02
bauzasright12:02
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openstackgerritBalazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova: Handle race in allocate_for_instance  https://review.openstack.org/22180312:09
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openstackgerritSudipta Biswas proposed openstack/nova: add helper method to obtain image client version  https://review.openstack.org/22215012:11
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openstackgerritRaga lahari proposed openstack/nova: Support for new --status parameter to "nova-manage vm list" command  https://review.openstack.org/23144712:22
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bauzassdague: okay, so back to the proposal I made re: API extensibility for sched hints12:37
bauzassdague: your comment is understandable12:37
bauzassdague: given the release prio is about docs and jsonhome12:38
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bauzassdague: I just want to make sure that all of us are in sync :)12:38
sdagueok, sure12:38
bauzassdague: see my point in https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MZVwxv8t6sM15Kct5i7yOS-8-NCvqsW742s5Y_LDyjg/edit#gid=816860825 L312:39
bauzassdague: for the moment, we can document what's possible and what's not12:39
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openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/nova: Make ImageMeta:disk_format use DiskFormatField  https://review.openstack.org/23146012:50
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moshelebaoli_: can you review  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227160/ ?12:51
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tdurakovalaski, hi, are you around?  can i ask you to review my spec about live-migrations: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225910/12:56
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alaskitdurakov: sure, it's on my list12:56
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tdurakovalaski, thanks, waiting for some feedback:)12:57
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baoli_moshele: will do it today13:08
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moshelebaoli_: thanks13:08
openstackgerritDeepak C Shetty (deepakcs) proposed openstack/nova-specs: Move volume-snapshot-improvements spec to Mitaka  https://review.openstack.org/23146713:08
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openstackgerritRadoslav Gerganov proposed openstack/nova: VMware: specify chunk size when reading image data  https://review.openstack.org/23146813:10
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rlrossitTIL in gerrit new mode, typing "LGTM" in the review box automatically switches your review to a +113:15
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bauzasrlrossit: and PEBKAC does -W ? :D13:16
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openstackgerritRadoslav Gerganov proposed openstack/nova: VMware: specify chunk size when reading image data  https://review.openstack.org/23146813:23
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openstackgerritAndrey Kurilin proposed openstack/nova: [Py34] api.openstack.test_faults.TestFaultWrapper  https://review.openstack.org/23147313:28
openstackgerritAndrey Kurilin proposed openstack/nova: [Py34] api.openstack.compute.legacy_v2.test_servers.Base64ValidationTest  https://review.openstack.org/23147413:28
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mriedemsdague: didn't we have a bug and query for this? http://logs.openstack.org/10/230510/2/gate/gate-grenade-dsvm/e796b39/logs/new/screen-n-cpu.txt.gz?level=TRACE#_2015-10-06_05_39_36_68213:34
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rlrossitdansmith: I'm totally confused... how is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231271/1 not causing everything to blow up?13:42
dansmithrlrossit: because we're doing the lookup of "what version do I need" from the manifest now13:43
rlrossitand I thought the manifest was built through obj_relationships?13:43
dansmithnope13:44
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dansmithit's built by just walking the tree from the object you want until it runs out of relationships,13:44
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dansmithlike your test did13:44
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mriedemso dropping conductor to 2 workers might have been a bad idea here too maybe? http://logs.openstack.org/10/230510/2/gate/gate-grenade-dsvm/e796b39/logs/new/screen-n-cpu.txt.gz?level=TRACE#_2015-10-06_05_39_36_62913:45
rlrossitwow I've been removed from this stuff too long... I totally forget how all of this works13:45
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dansmithmriedem: is conductor super busy around then?13:46
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openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: DNM: Canary test the backporting from a liberty compute  https://review.openstack.org/23148613:50
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claudiubjohnthetubaguy: I've updated the specs we've talked about today. Also, did you get around to review the os-win spec? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227827/13:56
johnthetubaguyclaudiub: sorry, got pulled into a meeting I was attemting to avoid, had hoped to approve all those already13:57
johnthetubaguyclaudiub: I have os-win on my list13:57
claudiubjohnthetubaguy: cool, thanks. :)13:57
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mriedemdansmith: conductor isn't, cinder is14:04
mriedem06-10 05:39:3614:04
mriedemhttp://logs.openstack.org/10/230510/2/gate/gate-grenade-dsvm/e796b39/logs/new/screen-dstat.txt.gz14:04
dansmithwell, then I wouldn't really think that's the problem14:05
mriedemright14:05
mriedemcinder is overloaded and we're waiting on a response from cinder14:05
mriedemprobably to initialize the volume14:05
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openstackgerritEd Leafe proposed openstack/nova: docs: re-organise the API concept docs  https://review.openstack.org/22625314:19
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edleafejohnthetubaguy: ^^ Added some more bits14:20
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annegentlethanks edleafe14:20
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jrolljohnthetubaguy: thank you!14:33
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mriedemha, super helpful14:37
mriedemstart prepping block devices: http://logs.openstack.org/10/230510/2/gate/gate-grenade-dsvm/e796b39/logs/new/screen-n-cpu.txt.gz#_2015-10-06_05_38_36_62214:37
mriedem...14:37
mriedemrpc timeout: http://logs.openstack.org/10/230510/2/gate/gate-grenade-dsvm/e796b39/logs/new/screen-n-cpu.txt.gz#_2015-10-06_05_39_36_62914:37
mriedemand this isn't a boot from volume case14:38
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cfriesendoes anyone know why novaclient commit 4e79285b  was added?  is the intent to not be case-sensitive at all in flavor names?14:41
cfriesenif so, why just names and not everything else?14:41
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mriedemis the auto_disk_config stuff only used by the xenserver driver?14:43
danpbmriedem: yep, afaik14:43
mriedemlooks like it was supposed to be deprecated at one point https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/api-v3-remove-disk-config14:44
mriedemit adds a bunch of gorp to the boot flow14:44
mriedemdansmith: so in that rpc timeout, it was actually the instance.save() that timed out14:47
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dansmithmriedem: ...okay...14:48
mriedemwhen changing the task_state to block-device-mapping14:48
mriedemoh wow http://logs.openstack.org/10/230510/2/gate/gate-grenade-dsvm/e796b39/logs/new/screen-n-cond.txt.gz?level=TRACE14:48
openstackgerritPawel Koniszewski proposed openstack/nova-specs: Force live migration  https://review.openstack.org/22904014:48
dansmithmriedem: mmhmm :)14:48
dansmiththe rabbit is dead14:49
mriedemyeah14:50
mriedem2015-10-06 05:39:34.313 -> 2015-10-06 05:39:43.08514:50
mriedemis a black hole14:50
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mriedemof course no errors in the rabbit logs around that time14:52
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dansmithmriedem: is this a recurring thing or just a one-off you found?14:52
* bauzas is tempted to go down the rabbit hole14:53
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mriedemchecking logstash14:53
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mriedemnot a one off http://goo.gl/vSChuq14:55
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mriedembut it's not 100% failure in those hits either14:56
mriedemprobably b/c old side grenade is shutting down?14:56
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dansmithmriedem: what do you mean about the old side?14:56
mriedemthis only hits on grenade jobs14:56
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mriedemso couldn't we see this when upgrading conductor?14:57
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dansmithoh you mean you think maybe we're still running an older conductor and we've killed a bunch of services causing reply queues to go away?14:58
dansmithI guess maybe14:58
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johnthetubaguymriedem: yeah, auto_disk_config is used, as much as it makes me really really shudder14:59
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: even though it was supposed to be deprecated, but since v2.1 we can't really14:59
mriedemand you can't really microversion it out14:59
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johnthetubaguymriedem: why couldn't we microversion it out?15:00
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mriedemjohnthetubaguy: well you could microversion out accepting the request, but the code in the compute api and virt driver would all have to remain for v2 and v2.115:01
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mriedemso kind of pointless15:01
dansmithright15:01
dansmithnot pointless15:01
doffmThats a pretty awesome way to deprecate things. If you request version > 2.11 you don't get a response from that API.15:01
dansmithbut we can't get rid of it either15:01
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doffmIts a hard deprecate.15:01
mriedempointless as in the main point i'd like to remove it is the 90% of the cruft is in the compute API and virt driver15:02
mriedembut yeah15:02
dansmithyeah15:02
dansmithunderstand15:02
mriedemdeprecation would force people off it to move up to newer microversions15:02
johnthetubaguymriedem: I mean at some point, we could drop the support so it becomes a noop15:03
danpbmriedem: is auto_disk_config present in the API too ?  i thought it was just an image meta property15:03
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mriedemjohnthetubaguy: not if v2.1 is backward compatible15:03
mriedemdanpb: it's also in the api15:03
danpbeww15:03
mriedemthere is an extension, or whatever we're calling those now15:03
mriedemthat's how tempest testes it15:03
johnthetubaguymriedem: right its nasty, but I am just thinking about how we loose the code debt, making it silent not do anything is the best I can think of15:04
johnthetubaguymriedem: what does libvirt do with that right now, just ignore it?15:04
mriedemhttps://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/api/compute/servers/test_create_server.py15:04
mriedemlibvirt doesn't check that property15:04
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mriedemonly xenserver from what i see15:05
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cfriesenmriedem: at some point we'll bump up the minimum microversion, right?  And at that point we can get rid of the code for good.15:05
openstackgerritAlvaro Lopez Garcia proposed openstack/nova: SameHostFilter should fail if host does not have instances  https://review.openstack.org/22903015:05
mriedemwill we?15:05
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cfriesenmriedem: I seem to remember that was the suggestion.  presumably we'll not support ancient novaclient code indefinitely15:06
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alaskiI thought the idea was that it's theoretically possible, but not practical in any defined timeline15:06
mriedemidk, dropping v2 isn't supposed to be talked about until what, spain?15:06
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openstackgerritMark Doffman proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Support the server side remote-console API changes  https://review.openstack.org/23014915:08
johnthetubaguymriedem: FWIW, I can't see us ever bumping the min_version, but we have kept that option in the protocol15:08
openstackgerritAlvaro Lopez Garcia proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: make live_migration_uri flag dependent on virt_type  https://review.openstack.org/17578015:08
cfriesenjohnthetubaguy: so we have to support v2 forever?  endlessly adding new stuff to the API and never actually removing anything?15:08
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mriedemcfriesen: we will talk about dropping v2 at some point, but that's not the same as requiring like a minimum of v2.1115:09
johnthetubaguycfriesen: pretty much, well we can remove things in a specific version to tidy things up15:09
mriedemyou could theoretically drop v2 since v2.1 is supposed to be backward compatible15:09
cfriesenmriedem: sorry, meant support min_version forever15:09
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cfriesenThe linux guys decided to go that route, and now they have three or four versions of some APIs.15:10
edleafemriedem: but you can never get rid of supporting v2 code, even if you call it 2.115:11
mriedemedleafe: i'm talking about deleting the legacy_v2 code path15:11
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edleafemriedem: yeah, I'd love to do that, too. But since v2.1 == v2, won't we have to still support v2 code forever?15:12
cfriesenjohnthetubaguy: you can remove it from the API, but not from the code (as long as you support the older microversions)15:12
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mriedemedleafe: yes15:13
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cfriesenso the only way to actually remove stuff from the core code is to bump the min_version for microversions15:13
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edleafecfriesen: yeah - to actually follow through with the deprecation process15:19
openstackgerritSylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova-specs: Proposes to check destination on migrations  https://review.openstack.org/23154215:20
bauzaslxsli: ^15:20
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: FYI, I fixed a bad comment in the above spec15:20
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bauzas (, -o15:23
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bauzasoops15:23
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annegentle@dhellmann or any other Sphinx person If I have to build two different nova docsets from two different conf.py/index.rst files and only one setup.py, can I do so?15:25
sdaguemriedem: I don't know, there was a big bug listed against some of the "can't do foo operations" but it was the dhcp signature that was a red herring15:25
annegentlepatch for reference here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230186 dhellmann15:26
dhellmannannegentle: looking15:26
annegentlethankyekindly15:26
mriedemsdague: yeah it was something else15:26
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mriedemconductor timing out15:27
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dhellmannannegentle: what is it you're actually trying to do here? have 2 separate manuals?15:31
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annegentledhellmann: yes, the contrib dev guide and the api dev guide15:32
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annegentledhellmann: contrib dev guide to docs.openstack.org, api dev guide to developer.openstack.org15:32
annegentledhellmann: different themes15:32
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dhellmannannegentle: I'm not sure the sphinx setuptools integration we have supports that right now15:33
annegentledhellmann: ohhhhh. hm.15:34
dhellmannannegentle: that's not to say you can't do it another way, though, by calling sphinx directly15:34
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annegentledhellmann: so, basically call a script in tox.ini?15:34
dhellmannannegentle: and if you do that, I suggest putting the files in doc/api-guide instead of doc/source/api-guide to separate them completely15:34
dhellmannannegentle: yeah, you'd call sphinx-build instead of "python setup.py build_sphinx"15:34
annegentledhellmann: ok, tox still needed /source for some reason15:35
dhellmannannegentle: tox wraps up installing sphinx for you15:35
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annegentledhellmann: but I can call sphinx-build, sure15:35
dhellmannit also gives you a convenient way to hook in to the CI build system without having to define a new job template, because we have one where the tox env name is part of the template name15:35
annegentledhellmann: use the make file you think?15:35
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dhellmannannegentle: no, you shouldn't need the makefile15:36
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annegentledhellmann: ok one other idea then, how about how we're doing it in the api-site repo? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217467/16/api-quick-start/setup.cfg has its own setup.cfg?15:37
annegentledhellmann: oh, I bet that won't work for nova/swift/everyone, hm15:37
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raornhi15:37
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raornplease take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226274/15:38
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dhellmannannegentle: yeah, you want to be careful messing with the build files for the code projects, that's another reason for just calling sphinx directly in this case15:38
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annegentledhellmann: ok thanks for the help!15:39
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mriedemraorn: done15:40
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openstackgerritSudipta Biswas proposed openstack/nova: add helper method to obtain image client version  https://review.openstack.org/22215015:45
openstackgerritDaniel Berrange proposed openstack/nova: objects: add virtual 'image_meta' property to Instance object  https://review.openstack.org/19014515:45
openstackgerritDaniel Berrange proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: convert to use instance.image_meta property  https://review.openstack.org/19014615:45
openstackgerritDaniel Berrange proposed openstack/nova: compute: convert manager to use nova.objects.ImageMeta  https://review.openstack.org/18968515:45
lxslimriedem: you put procedural -2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221014/ , can you revisit please?15:47
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openstackgerritPawel Koniszewski proposed openstack/nova-specs: Pause VM during live migration  https://review.openstack.org/22904015:49
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BobBallWhere is the tests-py3.txt blacklist file held?  I see it being used by the gate's py34 tests, but it doesn't seem to be in Nova's repo?15:50
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raornmriedem: thanks15:52
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dansmithmriedem: http://logs.openstack.org/86/231486/1/check/gate-grenade-dsvm-partial-ncpu/c3fd150/logs/old/screen-n-cpu.txt.gz#_2015-10-06_14_32_44_18315:59
dansmithmriedem: just FYI we have a bug in master's backport stuff, but it won't manifest until we have some object version bumped16:00
dansmithI'm looking into it now16:00
dansmithbut in case you see that16:00
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/23123816:02
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BobBalloh wow... sorry... it was added yesterday, sorry16:07
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openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: DNM: Canary test the backporting from a liberty compute  https://review.openstack.org/23148616:08
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mriedemlxsli: done16:09
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mriedemdansmith: wow ok16:10
mriedemthat's a nice infinite recursion16:10
dansmithmriedem: actually, ignore that.. it's only a bug after the patches below that one16:10
dansmithmriedem: the problem will be figuring out if I can fix this before that series to avoid introducing the problem briefly16:10
mriedemi plan to ignore everything except these tacos in front of me16:10
dansmithI would prioritize tacos if I had them16:11
mriedemwhen will taco bell in the greater portland area have drone delivery?16:11
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dansmithmriedem: when people in portland start wanting taco bell, I imagine16:12
mriedemyeah, i guess once a taco bell shows up they won't be able to fit in their tiny houses in the woods16:12
dansmithhah16:13
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openstackgerritAlexey I. Froloff proposed openstack/nova: Fix more inconsistency between Nova-Net and Neutron  https://review.openstack.org/22627416:13
lxslimriedem: thanks16:14
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openstackgerritMike Fedosin proposed openstack/nova: use helper method to remove version hardcoding  https://review.openstack.org/22857816:22
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jwcroppejaypipes: want to throw your +2 back on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219153/ ?  I fixed the UT from your previous patch set and Jenkins is happy now.16:37
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jwcroppe...only if jaypipes was signed in :)16:38
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mriedempeople interested in specs process probably want to review this proposal to drop the project priority portion of the spec template https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230916/16:47
danpbsdague: dansmith ^^16:47
mriedemi'm personally taking the cowards way out and straddling the fence16:48
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alaskiit's useful to me when a spec comes in related to a project priority, and otherwise not.  Given the timeline of trying to get a bulk of specs approved before priorities are decided it seems like it should just be optional, only include it if you know what you're doing16:54
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova-specs: Re-propose spec for refresh-quotas-usage  https://review.openstack.org/22692516:59
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mriedemdo we still plan on filling out the mitaka-priorities rst doc after the summit?17:02
mriedemseems we should if we're going to have a session on priorities17:02
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danpbmriedem: presumably we'll do it after summit17:03
danpbi see the kilo one was mostly just a list of links to etherpads17:04
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johnthetubaguymriedem: +1 thats my current thinking, same as last time17:06
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dansmith+117:06
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johnthetubaguydanpb: mriedem: I would like to also include a list of specs in the description for each priority, it was a bit rushed this last time, but honestly, the priorities in launchpad all track this stuff17:07
johnthetubaguydansmith: I was looking at that notification spec17:07
johnthetubaguydansmith: I am curious about those changes that get serialised out in the object, can we just reset the object before generating the output, or do something better, maybe a non-tracked object?17:08
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: we should just reset them yeah17:08
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: we can also override obj_what_changed() to return an empty set17:08
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dansmithjohnthetubaguy: on the parent object or something17:08
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: I haven't actually made it back to that spec since he revised it for objects17:08
johnthetubaguydansmith: cool, I was wondering about the priority and other bits that need to go into that oslo wrapper, i kinda like having that detail all in the object too17:09
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: yeah, I kinda wish oslo wasn't wrapping it like that :/17:09
johnthetubaguydansmith: me too, maybe thats the better change, add support into oslo to just take an object and serialise it17:10
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dansmithjohnthetubaguy: I think that'd be nice yeah17:10
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ctrath1johnthetubaguy: jlk stated that they are running into this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1118066   .. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143934/ was abandoned.  Has there been any work to fix this since this patch was last abandoned?17:21
openstackLaunchpad bug 1118066 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova should confirm quota requests against Keystone" [High,Confirmed]17:21
ctrath1mriedem: ^17:22
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johnthetubaguyctrath1: I have not seen any more work on that, its well worth resurrecting that code and blueprint/spec if you want that17:24
johnthetubaguyctrath1: the -2 is purely procedural, because it was a blueprint that didn't get reviewed before the feature freeze17:24
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ctrath1johnthetubaguy: right.  thanks for taking a look.17:26
mriedemthangp_: ^ is that something you're interested in resurrecting in mitaka?17:29
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thangp_mriedem: sure, is it still approved?17:31
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mriedemthangp_: would require a spec for mitaka17:31
mriedemi think we'd drop the v2 api stuff in that change17:31
openstackgerritBob Ball proposed openstack/nova: XenAPI: Workaround for 6.5 iSCSI bug  https://review.openstack.org/23110317:32
openstackgerritBob Ball proposed openstack/nova: XenAPI: Fix unit tests for python34  https://review.openstack.org/23141217:32
mriedemi'd be interested to get thoughts from the keystone team, like jamielennox, on that change17:32
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thangp_mriedem: the last time i worked on it, it's only valid to check on project ids, and not user ids17:33
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thangp_not sure if it's still true17:34
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mriedemdo we really need to validate this in the API?17:37
mriedemi'm assuming the quota usages table in the db is being populated when quota-update is called with an invalid project id17:37
mriedemcouldn't we just add a check in the db api that if the project id doesn't exist, don't insert?17:37
mriedemand the quota usage is actually created when we first boot an instance with that project17:38
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mriedemthe problem seems to be in objects.Quotas.create_limit17:38
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mriedemjohnthetubaguy: maybe a good time to put out the Vek signal :)17:39
johnthetubaguymriedem: yeah17:39
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johnthetubaguymriedem: thangp_: I got the impression its more that user of the API create the quota for the wrong user, and get confused, rather that something more direct than that?17:40
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thangp_johnthetubaguy: correct...there's nothing to confirm if what the user passed in is valid... the command just doesnt complain if the project is valid or not17:42
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mriedemso i can just do nova quota-update instances 20 str(uuid.uuid4())?17:42
mriedemand it passes?17:42
thangp_mriedem: yes, if i remember correctly17:42
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mriedemand i'm assuming that's because the api calls objects.Quotas.create_limit17:43
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mriedemwhich will create the db entry since one doesn't exist with that project id17:43
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mriedemi would say we should fix that17:43
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ctrath1so, fix objects.Quotas.create_limit and don't do validation at the api level?17:44
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johnthetubaguyah, so error out if there is not existing usage, that might be enough?17:44
mriedemthat's what i'm thinking17:45
mriedemquota-update is for updating existing quota, right?17:45
mriedemif it doesn't exist, 40017:45
mriedemno need to spam question with validation requests17:45
mriedems/question/keystone/17:45
mriedemhaving said all that, i realize it's probably not trivial because it's the quotas code in nova17:46
mriedemthat shouldn't require a blueprint or microversion either, even though it would change a 200 to a 400 response17:46
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johnthetubaguymriedem: nice idea, I like it17:48
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mriedemthere is probably some chicken/egg easter egg in there that prevents that from being possible17:51
mriedemlike, you don't know if the thing exists until you create it or not, i wouldn't be surprised17:51
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mriedembasically, remove this https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/quota_sets.py#L14017:56
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mriedemi guess we don't have a POST to create quotas in that api17:56
mriedemthere is a nova-manage command to create new quota entries though, and it works basically the same as the update api17:57
johnthetubaguymriedem: so if that doesn't create those, I am not sure anyone creates them...17:57
johnthetubaguyah, I see17:57
mriedemwell, today it does create them17:57
mriedemupdate is both create or update17:57
mriedemwhich is now nova-manage quota works17:57
mriedems/now/how/17:57
johnthetubaguyso another option, can we just check if there is any usage for that project, before doing the create?17:58
mriedemsure17:58
johnthetubaguynow thats a little bit funcky if you default to a quota of zero17:58
mriedembut17:58
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mriedemugh17:58
mriedemthis is gross17:58
mriedemwe should just separate create and update APIs17:59
mriedemnot send me your hurting masses of quotas and i'll do something with them17:59
johnthetubaguywe would have the same issue on create though, I think17:59
mriedemyup17:59
mriedemwe'd have to validate with keystone in that case17:59
mriedemor whatever your identity backend is, because keystone is optional, remember :)17:59
stevemar_mriedem: reminder that keystone meeting is now18:00
stevemar_and you can ask stuff there :)18:00
johnthetubaguyyeah, this is coming back to me, hence the validator plugin mechaism18:00
mriedemi don't think we need the validator on every call that passes in a project id though18:00
mriedemonly create18:00
johnthetubaguyyeah, +118:01
johnthetubaguymaybe we try update first, and if that fails with Not found we call the validator?18:01
mriedemfor update?18:01
johnthetubaguyyeah18:01
mriedemif update fails with not found, i think we return 40418:01
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mriedemb/c you're updating a thing that you expect to exist18:01
johnthetubaguywell right now we just create first right?18:01
mriedemyeah18:01
mriedemi' msaying that's wrong :)18:02
mriedembut would require a microversion to add a new create API18:02
mriedembasically, separate create and update18:02
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mriedemso they aren't terrible monsters18:02
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johnthetubaguyyeah, thats what we should have, agreed18:02
mriedemi'm going to get coffee now though, so bbiab18:02
johnthetubaguyyeah, its nasty18:02
johnthetubaguyI have a run in a sec, I need to cook my dinner18:02
ctrath1so, what happens if you pass in a list of quotas to update and only one doesn't exist?  Does the entire list that was updated need to be rolled back?18:03
johnthetubaguyhmm, didn't know you could do that, I should go read the API18:04
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sdaguejohnthetubaguy: on the google doc for the summit, can you make col E word wrap?18:08
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openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Remove obj_relationships from objects  https://review.openstack.org/23127118:13
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Clean up tests for dropping obj_relationships  https://review.openstack.org/23127018:13
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: DNM: Canary test the backporting from a liberty compute  https://review.openstack.org/23148618:13
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Fix up Service object for manifest-based backports  https://review.openstack.org/23126918:13
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: DNM: Drop Instance v1.x support  https://review.openstack.org/22069018:13
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Fix InstanceV1 backports to use context  https://review.openstack.org/23164918:13
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mriedemctrath1: you can't pass a list18:17
mriedemso i think i'd propose that we split quota-sets.update with a microversion into 2 apis: create and update; on create we validate the projectid against the identity service (fixes the bug), on update we just do an update and if the entry doesn't exist in the table we fail with a 40418:19
mriedemeverything below that microversion works the same as today, for better or worse18:19
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mriedemctrath1: oh i see18:21
mriedemfor key, value in valid_quotas.items():18:21
mriedemcreate limits for new resources18:21
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mriedemalthough i'd think that when we create a quotas or user_quotas entry in the table, we default any values that aren't specifically provided18:22
mriedemb/c we have a default quota set18:22
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mriedemor can i just create a limit on quota resource foo=5?18:23
ctrath1that's a good question.. I thought that's they way it works, but I could be wrong18:24
mriedemimo we should only track quotas on things we know how to track18:24
mriedemanything else is for out of tree hooks and wonkiness18:24
mriedemwhich is i think why the quota class stuff exists18:24
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mriedemagain, Vek_ signal18:25
mriedeman alternative for the bug is we try to update and if that fails with a not found exception, we validate the projectid and then do the create18:26
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mriedemstevemar_: i was basically asking what keystone people would have thought about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143934/10/nova/api/validator.py but keeping in mind it was from kilo18:29
mriedemi'm not sure how much of that has changed now18:29
mriedemjlk: how much of an issue is https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1118066 for you guys?18:30
openstackLaunchpad bug 1118066 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova should confirm quota requests against Keystone" [Wishlist,Confirmed]18:30
mriedemjlk: isn't it arguably a user error?18:31
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jlkmriedem: arguably yes, however users are somewhat led into making that error18:34
jlkquota show output shows the project name. quota set accepts the project name18:34
mriedemjlk: and by users are we talking admins?18:34
jlkit's non-obvious that one has to do an interim step of discovering the UUID of one's project in order to make the client call successful.18:34
jlkmriedem: in our clouds, users can be admins18:34
jlkevery customer gets their own cloud, and they're (some level) of admin on that cloud18:35
jlkwhether they are acting as admin for other users within their organization, or for themselves, they are the admin and will be making quota calls18:35
jlksometimes our support org will be doing it for them, and even we run into this because of how non-obvious it is18:35
jlkit happens rarely enough that we all forget18:35
mriedemnova quota-show doesn't give the project name from what i can tell18:37
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jlkopenstack client does18:38
mriedemoh ffs18:38
mriedemof course18:38
jlkand it accepts the tenant name18:38
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jlk(doesn't work unless you put in a project/tenant or class)18:38
jlkso it takes in and translates the project name to show the quota, but doesn't do the same to set the quota18:39
mriedemi don't see the project name shown here: http://paste.openstack.org/show/475508/18:40
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jlkmriedem: because you did show with a UUID instead of show with a name.18:52
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jlkdo a quota show  with "randomtext" as the input18:53
mriedemok18:54
mriedemctrath1: btw, with v2.1 you can't specify random keys18:54
mriedem{"badRequest": {"message": "Invalid input for field/attribute quota_set. Value: {u'foo': 20, u'force': True}. Additional properties are not allowed (u'foo' was unexpected)", "code": 400}}18:54
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mriedemthanks jsonschema validation18:54
ctrath1ok, cool..18:54
mriedemjlk: nova quota-show or openstack quota show?18:54
jlkmriedem: openstack quota show18:55
mriedemfails with a 40418:55
mriedemstack@client:~/devstack$ openstack quota show randomtext18:55
mriedemTenant ID: randomtext does not exist. (HTTP 404) (Request-ID: req-cc9354ea-5935-45db-be60-b86aaf0a20ea)18:55
jlkah, so I'm testing against juno18:55
mriedemblarg18:55
dansmithlol18:55
jlkhaha18:55
jlksorry, I should have said something18:55
mriedemffs, can you guys test against master devstack before saying you are experiencing a bug? :)18:55
dansmithmriedem: I'm having trouble with ipchains in kernel 2.2, can you help?18:56
jlkinorite?18:56
ctrath1jlk.. are you guys moving to a more recent release in the near future?18:56
mriedemalright, next step is seeing if the bug is still valid - can i create a quota entry for a non-existent project...18:56
jlkyes, kilo is ETA November18:56
openstackgerritErlon R. Cruz proposed openstack/nova: Extends Nova API su support volume-type selection  https://review.openstack.org/23166018:57
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jlkmriedem: on Kilo I can, using python-novaclient18:58
jlknova quota-update --cores 300 derp18:58
mriedemjlk: yeah18:58
mriedemhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/475511/18:58
jlkamusingly18:58
jlknova quota-show --tenant derp  now works18:59
mriedemwell it's helping18:59
jlkon kilo, quota-show --tenant randomtext   also works18:59
jlkI take it hte json schema validation is post kilo?18:59
mriedemthis is that quota-update api http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/58642462.jpg18:59
mriedemthe json schema is v2.119:00
mriedembut the json schema is not checking that the projectid you're providing actually exists in keystone19:00
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jlknod19:00
jlkI can /almost/ see a use case for setting quota before adding the user, so that quota always exists for the user, but no, I don't buy it.19:00
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mriedemyeah that's a crappy use case19:01
jlkusers can be disabled, so just create the user as disabled, set the quota, enable the user19:02
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mriedemwhoa, those are a lot of steps19:02
mriedemi prefer to hide orchestration in nova19:02
jlk...19:02
jlk<not sure if.jpg>19:02
mriedemcallback to boot from volume thread from last week19:02
jlkoh, I wish I could read the threads, alas...19:03
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mriedemunimportant19:03
melwittfwiw, I've seen this request a lot in the novaclient bugs, to validate a tenant against keystone. the client can't do this easily because getting tenants from keystone is through the admin api. so a normal user doesn't have auth for that19:03
stevemar_melwitt: a user should have access to find detais on their own project though19:04
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sdaguejohnthetubaguy: can you un -2 this change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/16885819:08
melwittstevemar_: that makes sense, though I didn't know that. I'm trying to think of the case of someone setting a quota for a tenant (other than their own) and being able to validate the tenant exists. if it's admin, that would work fine. if it's not admin and it's specified by some other role, that's more complicated19:08
sdagueopenstack client does a lot of very weird things when given a name19:10
sdaguebecause of the generic lookup layer19:10
stevemar_sdague: yeah, i blame the APIs for that one :P19:10
stevemar_this has a name, this doesn't, this client has a find, this one uses 'display-name'19:11
stevemar_gah19:11
sdaguestevemar_: well, it seems like the logic for that should get pulled into openstackclient, at least annotate it all19:11
sdaguebecause us changing from 404 to 400 on a bunch of these things when you send a name where a uuid should be is going to mean a lot of breaks in openstackclient that could have been avoided19:12
stevemar_true true19:15
mriedemjlk: also confirmed that nova quota-show --tenant <not exist> does just return default quotas, http://paste.openstack.org/show/475512/19:15
jlkyeah, that seems... "helpful"19:15
mriedemso it would be confusing to allow showing quotas on a project that doesn't exist but then fail nova quota-update if the project doesn't exist19:15
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mriedemwhich is probably why there is also that auto-create thing in the update API19:15
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jlkas a user, it seems like "hey it showed me a quota for this thing, I should be able to update it"19:15
jlkand when "that thing" is my tenant name vs my tenant ID, it's easy to fall into the trap19:16
mriedemwell, that's old osc it sounds like19:16
mriedemnova quota-show doesn't take a tenant name19:16
mriedemoh nvm, it takes a name i guess19:16
jlksure.19:17
mriedemboth i should say19:17
jlkit just doesn't actually map it19:17
mriedemyeah19:17
mriedemnova quota-show --tenant foo19:17
mriedemworks even if foo doesn't exist19:17
openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/nova: Make ImageMeta:disk_format use DiskFormatField  https://review.openstack.org/23146019:17
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melwittmriedem: I found the old bug I was thinking of related to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/103113919:19
openstackLaunchpad bug 1031139 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "quota-show should return error for invalid tenant id" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Mh Raies (raiesmh08)19:19
sdagueright, so nova quota-show basically takes defaults, then updates them with info it finds from the server19:19
sdaguebut it returns the defaults template regardless19:19
mriedemmelwitt: heh, added to the pile of bugs here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/validate-project-with-keystone19:19
melwittoh hey19:20
sdagueit is pretty wonky, but it's kind of low priority bug19:20
mriedemsdague: yeah right here is the issue https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/quota.py#L18919:20
mriedemthat quotas dict is basically empty19:20
sdaguemriedem: hey, on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171098 - why do you say that our floor should be 0.10.219:20
mriedemb/c the project doesn't exist19:20
mriedemso it just provides the defaults for everything19:21
sdagueright19:21
mriedemrhel 6 brotha19:21
sdagueummm... we don't support python 2.619:21
mriedemhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LibvirtDistroSupportMatrix19:21
mriedemsdague: we don't, but with rhel software collections you can get 2.6 on rhel 6.519:21
mriedemor whatever19:22
mriedemrhel 6.4 actually19:22
sdagueso, honestly, I don't know why we'd support mitaka on rhel619:22
sdagueI don't think holding libvirt minimum back for rhel6 is reasonable19:22
mriedemplus i think when i brought up bumping minimum required libvirt to something like 1.2.2 (since that's what we gate on), danpb was -2 on that in the ML19:22
mriedemlet me find the ML thread19:22
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mriedemhttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-May/006988.html19:24
sdagueI think we should reraise that for mitaka, because that's 2 full cycles that rhel7 has been out there19:24
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cfriesendoes nova support LVM thin provisioning for local storage?  (the way that cinder LVM does for volumes?)19:25
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mriedemsdague: feel free19:26
mriedemsdague: from re-skimming the thread, tim bell didn't want to move up19:26
mriedemand danpb's reply was http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-May/007012.html19:26
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mriedemsdague: however, we have landed at least one feature in the libvirt driver that can't be tested in any distro, not even fc2319:28
mriedemsetting the admin password in the guest19:28
mriedemoh wait, i mean, next available is fc2319:28
mriedemwhich isn't out yet i don't think19:28
mriedemmelwitt: i just marked that quota projectid validation bug against 111806619:30
mriedemwe should do that with any of these we come across19:30
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melwittmriedem: noted19:31
mriedemwow there are already 11 duplicates of that one19:31
mriedemnice19:31
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melwittthat bug is on fire, high bug heat19:31
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erlonguys, I'm pushing this change, that changes the API, but I have no idea how to bump the microversions in nova19:34
erlonhttps://review.openstack.org/23166019:34
erlondoes anyone can give me any directions?19:34
sdagueerlon: in what way does that change change the API?19:38
sdagueit looks like volume_type was already being accepted19:38
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erlonsdague: it adds an additional parameter to os-volumes_boot API19:41
mriedemerlon: i think garyk had a spec for this exact same thing19:41
cfriesenI think it adds volume_type to legacy_block_device_mapping19:41
mriedemerlon: sdague: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/enable-volume-types,n,z19:42
erloncfriesen: to legacy and v2 i think, i've only tested v219:42
cfriesenerlon: the changes to the volumes.py files appear to be purely cosmetic19:43
mriedemerlon: i've -2ed your change since garyk has a series and blueprint up already19:43
mriedemthere was a spec here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187812/19:44
erloncfriesen: can you please point that in the change? I have no experience in nova19:44
mriedemerlon: basically this makes nova more of a proxy to cinder, which we don't want19:45
mriedemand it's purely for boot from volume, which we also don't want anymore19:45
mriedemexcept alaski, he loves it19:45
sdaguemriedem: we don't want boot from volume any more?19:45
mriedemhis child's name is going to be boot from-volume laski19:45
sdagueI guess I missed that19:45
dansmithum, wat19:46
mriedemit was a tangent in the cinder.cross_az_attach thread in the -dev ML19:46
dansmithBFV is pretty important to a lot of people19:46
alaskimriedem: lol19:46
sdagueyeh, boot from volume is a thing I know lots of folks use19:47
alaskiI wrote about removing the creation of a volume from nova, at least from compute19:47
erlonmriedem: yes, there's a lot of people using19:47
mriedemyeah, so, specifically the orchesteration within nova is the thing that some of us don't like19:47
alaskibfv would still work19:47
dansmithoh19:47
dansmiththat's not bfv, that's cabfv19:47
mriedemand the fact that if it fails, it fails i nthe compute and you get NoValidHost19:48
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dansmithwell, obviously19:48
mriedemand you have to make sure your timeout settings are right and your cache stuff in cinder is all setup19:48
dansmithany failure results in no valid host, that's by design :D19:48
mriedemwe should return NoValidHost from nova quota-show19:48
mriedemif user == 'jlk'19:48
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mriedemit would have to be backported to juno though...19:49
dansmithhah19:49
dansmithright, else he wouldn't see it19:49
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mriedemyar19:49
mriedemjlk: btw, is it purely coincidental that you're moving to kilo in november b/c we're doing juno-eol in november?19:50
sdaguemriedem: so your concern is nova orchestrating the volume prep?19:50
mriedemsdague: yeah19:50
openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/nova: Make ImageMeta:disk_format use DiskFormatField  https://review.openstack.org/23146019:50
sdagueok, that I can accept19:50
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alaskiit has been very painful operationally to deal with creation of volumes from within Nova for us19:51
alaskithere are sooo many ways for it to fail, and no way to tell anyone why19:52
dansmithalaski: novalidhost seems pretty clear to me19:52
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alaskiwell yes, besides that helpful message19:52
dansmithtranslation: "500: NoValidHost: AWS would probably be a better fit for you, kthx"19:53
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alaskiheh, or "NoValidHost: Turns out the cloud doesn't mean infinite capacity"19:56
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dansmithmaybe we should just start returning $(fortune) instead of NoValidHost19:56
dansmithconfuse the users instead of outright pissing them off19:57
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alaskiIf I've learned anything from web 2.0 it's that we need a cute mascot and a cheeky error message for failures19:58
mriedemhow about urkel?19:58
mriedemrlrossit loves urkel19:58
mriedemthe error message could be the classic 'did i do that?!' thing19:59
dansmithugh19:59
ctrathhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya2xifdO_l019:59
mriedemlet us not forget urkel-o's20:00
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alaskiheh, mostly I remember that tiny car that loaded from the front20:00
mriedemi don't recall that really20:00
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alaskihttp://www.angelfire.com/ca7/loyaltubist/bmwisetta.jpg20:01
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rlrossitwow angelfire20:02
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alaskitoo bad it couldn't have been geocities20:04
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openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Remove obj_relationships from objects  https://review.openstack.org/23127120:08
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Clean up tests for dropping obj_relationships  https://review.openstack.org/23127020:08
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Fix InstanceV1 backports to use context  https://review.openstack.org/23164920:08
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: DNM: Canary test the backporting from a liberty compute  https://review.openstack.org/23148620:08
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Fix up Service object for manifest-based backports  https://review.openstack.org/23126920:08
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: DNM: Drop Instance v1.x support  https://review.openstack.org/22069020:08
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Drop unused obj_to_primitive() override  https://review.openstack.org/23168620:08
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openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/nova: Use oslo versioned object  https://review.openstack.org/23168920:11
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melwittalaski: I was looking at the request_spec persistence spec and it mentioned about api database vs normal database controlled by context. does that mean in cells v2 it will go in a different database than it would for non-cells?20:13
alaskimelwitt: with cellsv2 it will need to be written to the api db before scheduling happens, and then be written to the normal db after20:14
jlkmriedem: coincidental. We'll get into L faster.20:14
melwittalaski: oh, okay. I had been thinking there won't be any duplicating, but now that you say that I think I recall talk of writing it to normal db (cell db) after scheduling and then deleting it from the api db at that time20:15
alaskimelwitt: yeah, it should still be in only one place20:17
alaskiat any given time20:17
jlkmriedem: dansmith: this is why I like this project. The zingers :D20:17
dansmithheh20:17
bauzasalaski: planning to propose it again for mitaka ?20:19
bauzasalaski: unless you already did that and I'm just a jerk who asks before checking :)20:19
alaskiyeah I still need to do that20:19
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bauzasokay no worries20:20
alaskiI am reworking the build_request object one and need to get that one up as well.  I'm thinking of doing something a bit different there and would could use some feedback20:20
bauzasalaski: sure, take time20:21
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openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Adds Hyper-V UEFI Secure Boot spec  https://review.openstack.org/19099720:25
openstackgerritMike Fedosin proposed openstack/nova: Bringing Glance v2 images to a uniform format  https://review.openstack.org/23169620:26
openstackgerritAndrew Laski proposed openstack/nova-specs: Persist the RequestSpec object  https://review.openstack.org/23169720:27
alaskibauzas: ^20:27
bauzasack20:27
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bauzasalaski: just modifying the commit msg to add a Previously-Approved tag20:29
bauzassince johnthetubaguy is looking at those :)20:29
openstackgerritSylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova-specs: Persist the RequestSpec object  https://review.openstack.org/23169720:29
bauzasalaski: ^20:29
alaskiokay, I didn't realize there was an official tag20:29
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bauzasnot sure how much it's official tho :D20:30
bauzashttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking says https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova-specs+message:%22previously%22,n,z20:30
bauzasso yeah, you're right, it should have worked too20:31
bauzasmy bad :)20:31
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alaskiI didn't put "previously" in my message20:32
openstackgerritJesse J. Cook proposed openstack/nova: xenapi_device_id integer, expected string  https://review.openstack.org/23170320:33
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mriedemsdague: is this still a thing we want to release as a patch version on stable/liberty? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230591/20:55
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sdaguemriedem: probably, otherwise that is going to break for people on that consoles call right?20:56
mriedemyeah20:56
mriedemwe haven't released the change on master yet either20:56
doffmalaski: Is your quotas-reimagined spec going to be re-proposed for mitaka?20:57
mriedemdoffm: wasn't that a backlog spec?20:58
doffmmriedem: I believe so.20:58
mriedem those aren't tied to a release if it was backlog20:58
alaskiit isn't properly a backlog spec yet20:58
alaskiI plan to convert it and propose it20:58
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openstackgerritAndrew Laski proposed openstack/nova-specs: Backlog: A proposal for how to do quotas differently  https://review.openstack.org/18244521:02
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alaskisurely needs some work, but this proposes it to the right place now21:02
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bauzascoolness21:04
bauzaswe had some quota discussions this morning21:04
bauzas(uh, EU morning)21:05
doffmmriedem: alaski: Thought it would affect https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226925/21:05
seanw1In nova/compute/manager.py -> _prep_resize() a check is made against instance.host == self.host and if the allow_resize_to_same_host is false an exception is thrown.  This prep_resize executes on the current host of the instance, and I cannot find where the instance.host is updated to the migrating host so without the allow_resize_to_same_host set to true, an error is always reported, but the resize completes fine and migrates to the new h21:05
seanw1Is this a bug or am I missing something?21:05
doffmBut possibly not, the refresh API might still be useful under the 'differently' model. It would just perform a different audit of the quotas.21:05
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alaskithe goal would be for it to no longer be needed21:06
alaskibut it may still prove useful21:07
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mriedemdoffm: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226925/ is really just about adding a CLI that can access nova.db.api.refresh_quota_usages21:08
mriedemif that ends up changing later in a rewrite of quotas, that's fine21:09
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alaski+121:17
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garykjohnthetubaguy: you around?21:25
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: remove unnecessary else in blockinfo.get_root_info  https://review.openstack.org/23172021:27
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ccarmackmriedem: fwiw, I put a comment into https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1503290.  It might be related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/131872121:27
openstackLaunchpad bug 1503290 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "grenade failures on mitaka side with failure prepping block device due to RPC timeout" [High,Confirmed]21:27
openstackLaunchpad bug 1318721 in Ubuntu "RPC timeout in all neutron agents" [Undecided,New]21:27
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jlvillalsdague: I'm a little confused. Can you tell me how the class StandardLogging(fixtures.Fixture) is used?  I grepped for StandardLogging and only found it in test_fixtures.py. Just curious how the other unit tests use it22:34
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* jlvillal assumes it is being used, but can't seem to find where it is used.22:34
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vilobhmm111danmisth : ping22:36
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vilobhmm111dansmith : ^^22:37
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vilobhmm111if you can have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222423/ servicegroup spec and let me know your feedback it would be helpful22:38
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dansmithvilobhmm111: I know, I've been super busy and haven't had much time for reviews in the last week22:41
dansmithvilobhmm111: I have a few minutes now while waiting for something, so I'll try to read some of it22:41
melwittjlvillal: you should also find it in the base TestCase in nova/test.py, that's where it's used22:41
jlvillalmelwitt: Looking and thanks22:42
jlvillalmelwitt: I was in the 'nova/tests/' directory when I was grepping.  Thanks!22:42
melwittjlvillal: ah, okay :)22:43
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jlvillalI assumed everything test related would be there...22:43
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vilobhmm111dansmith : thanks much!22:46
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jwcroppe_dansmith: any chance you can check out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219153/ this afternoon?  jaypipes and I finally worked something out on this bugger.22:53
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dansmithjwcroppe: I've been trying to avoid your requests to review that since I didn't really like the direction it's going. If I review, it's not going to be nice,22:54
dansmithso you should enjoy my abstinence and find someone else22:55
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jwcroppedansmith: lol ... ok we will let your back remain turned22:55
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jwcroppedansmith: anyone else good to look at the metrics stuff?  that's tyically a jaypipes area22:56
dansmithnot really that I know of22:57
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jwcroppeok - well I guess we can check with Jay.  I think the change he pushed up is a good compromise between fixing an issue and not completely overhauling the metrics.22:59
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bauzasmelwitt: alaski: do you feel we should run a cellsv2 meeting tomorrow ?23:36
bauzas(just leave a comment if you wish, I'll see it tomorrow morning my time)23:38
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melwittbauzas: I don't think I have anything specific to talk on but I plan to do the meeting in case anyone else attends and has anything23:48
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