Monday, 2015-11-16

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openstackgerritZhi Chang proposed openstack/neutron: Create default sg rules when create a sg  https://review.openstack.org/24553700:03
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openstackgerritshihanzhang proposed openstack/neutron: Check gateway ip when update subnet  https://review.openstack.org/24065201:59
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openstackgerritZhi Chang proposed openstack/neutron: Create default sg rules when create a sg  https://review.openstack.org/24553702:06
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openstackgerrityalei wang proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Add precommit event for security group in ML2  https://review.openstack.org/24035602:14
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openstackgerritIWAMOTO Toshihiro proposed openstack/neutron: Add native of_interface fullstack tests  https://review.openstack.org/21699102:21
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openstackgerritMickey Spiegel proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Firewall as a Service API 2.0  https://review.openstack.org/24387302:38
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openstackgerritZhi Chang proposed openstack/neutron: Create default sg rules when create a sg  https://review.openstack.org/24553702:55
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openstackgerritMickey Spiegel proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Firewall as a Service API 2.0  https://review.openstack.org/24387303:07
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openstackgerritLIU Yulong proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Add method to retrieve loadbalancer stats  https://review.openstack.org/17894703:28
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openstackgerritshihanzhang proposed openstack/neutron: DVR:don't reschedule the l3 agent running on copute noede  https://review.openstack.org/24563104:10
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openstackgerritRitesh Anand proposed openstack/neutron: Added test cases for DVR L3 schedulers.  https://review.openstack.org/18815705:20
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[1]TheloHi all, do we need to pass some testing or set up a CI before submitting a new neutron plugin?05:50
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openstackgerritshihanzhang proposed openstack/neutron: DVR:don't reschedule the l3 agent running on copute noede  https://review.openstack.org/24563106:41
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dasmgood morning06:54
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openstackgerritSridhar Gaddam proposed openstack/neutron: Support MTU advertisement using IPv6 RAs  https://review.openstack.org/24472206:59
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reedipamotoki:Ping07:00
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amotokireedip: pong07:03
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reedipHi amotoki07:06
reedipamotoki: Is it possible to progress on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutronclient-adding-update-option ?07:07
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amotokireedip: I could not take enough time to move it forward so far.07:12
amotokireedip: it is better to move the discussion on gerrit.07:12
reedipamotoki: Ok, I can do that07:12
amotokireedip: but IMHO there are still several points to be discussed around the compatibility with extra args (aka unknown arguments)07:13
reedipamotoki: Could you however advice me, if it needs to be done on a bug fix, or as a Neutron Spec?07:13
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amotokireedip: before proposing actual changes to the existing command lines.07:13
reedipamotoki: That can be discussed over the gerrit itself I guess07:13
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amotokimy plan is to propose a doc patch to neutronclient gerrit.07:14
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reedipOhk,07:14
reedipamotoki: Maybe I can consolidate and propose the same, and the discussion can be taken forward from there07:15
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amotokiI am writing most of them. I wil propose some.07:16
reedipamotoki: Is there any gerrit where such doc patches have been earlier proposed07:16
amotokineutronclient repo has doc/ directory already. It will be just an addition to it.07:17
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reedipamotoki: Ok , so we can move ahead using this approach07:17
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openstackgerritYAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: sub_projects.rst: Update midonet functionalities  https://review.openstack.org/24564907:22
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tfukushimavikasc: ping07:33
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openstackgerritBogdan Tabor proposed openstack/neutron: Switch to using neutron.common.utils:replace_file()  https://review.openstack.org/23200807:45
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron: Fix some reST field lists in docstrings  https://review.openstack.org/24494307:52
vikasctfukushima, Hi07:53
tfukushimavikasc: Hi Vikas, sorry for the late of the IPAM spec. I was working on some internal tasks.07:54
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vikasctfukushima, No issues07:54
vikasctfukushima,  I was also on off since last wednesday07:55
tfukushimavikasc: And I found the default IPAM would just work as long as it's consistent with Neutron because you disabled the DHCP port.07:55
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tfukushimavikasc: libnetworks gives Address and IPv6Address in the request against /NetworkDriver.CreateEndpoint and Kuryr takes care of creating the appropriate subnets from them.07:56
openstackgerritshihanzhang proposed openstack/neutron-specs: ml2 cross backends extension spec  https://review.openstack.org/21540907:56
vikasctfukushima, with built-in ipam can we give any other cidr than 172.x.y.z?07:57
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tfukushimavikasc: --ip-range of the network command is given to the default IPAM and it uses some addresses allocated from the range.07:58
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vikasctfukushima,  i see . got it07:58
vikasctfukushima, tomorrow i will be able to complete ipam driver part.07:59
vikasctfukushima, *by tomorrow07:59
tfukushimaSo if we give --ip-range 192.168.42.0/24, the default IPAM gives 192.168.42.x for /NetworkDriver.CreateEndpoint and Kuryr creates a new subnet if it doesn't exist.07:59
vikasctfukushima, understood.08:00
vikasc--ip-range is mentioning subnet pool08:01
tfukushimavikasc: Great. We still modify it to match with the new model but at least it works in that way. Just FYI.08:01
vikasctfukushima, Thanks Taku for confirming and sorry for delay on my side. was busy in celebrating Diwali festival :)08:02
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vikasctfukushima, todays meeting will be very late for me. Not sure if i will be able to make it08:02
vikasctfukushima, it will be around 3 AM for me08:03
tfukushimavikasc: Oh, sorry I was not aware your timezone.08:03
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vikasctfukushima, my location is India08:04
vikasctfukushima, will try08:04
vikascJapan is 3 hours and 30 minutes ahead of India08:05
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tfukushimavikasc: I thought our meeting was 3am UTC, 12pm JST, so it should be like 8:30am in that case. I might be wrong though.08:07
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tfukushimavikasc: "3 utc Tuesdays" https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-neutron-unplugged-track-kuryr08:08
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vikasctfukushima, thanks Taku. You are right.08:10
vikasctfukushima, its tomorrow morning. somehow i had incorrect time in mind.08:11
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vikasctfukushima, 8:30 am is fine for me.08:11
tfukushimavikasc: Good. I hope you could make it. :-)08:12
vikasctfukushima, Definitely :)08:12
openstackgerritIWAMOTO Toshihiro proposed openstack/neutron: Add native of_interface fullstack tests  https://review.openstack.org/21699108:13
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openstackgerritOleg Bondarev proposed openstack/neutron: DVR: handle dvr serviceable port's host change  https://review.openstack.org/23847808:34
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron: Remove MidonetInterfaceDriver  https://review.openstack.org/24342308:48
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openstackgerritYAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: sub_projects.rst: Update midonet functionalities  https://review.openstack.org/24564909:10
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron: Trivial fix in ml2 conf  https://review.openstack.org/24554709:21
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openstackgerritshihanzhang proposed openstack/neutron: Check gateway ip when update subnet  https://review.openstack.org/24065209:22
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shzping ajo09:35
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shzajo, need your help, could you give some advice for this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243994/, I think it is a serious bug for stable liberty09:37
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todinhi, is this tutorial still vaild for testen the bgp-dynamic-routing feature? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/DynamicRouting/TestingDynamicRouting09:44
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ajoshz , let me look on it09:46
itzikbcarl_baldwin: Hi, when running with the IPAM reference driver enabled I get the following http://pastebin.com/KfM3shNb when running tempest.api.network.test_ports . Any idea?09:47
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ajoshz , can't we fix it without adding new parameters to the api?09:48
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ajoshz , the issue is that you cannot backport those rpc changes to liberty, I think09:49
ajoamotoki , could you look at shz patch, please: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243994/09:49
ajoshz , do you know why conntrack tool takes so much time to cleanup?09:49
ajoI was looking at the conntrack tool source code09:49
ajoand it does only iterate over the conntrack entries, and provide a callback to delete09:49
ajoshz , what are the exact calls to conntrack tool that take so long?09:50
ajodo they delete a whole zone? or specific rules? target an ip address?09:50
ajocould you give me an example?09:50
ajo(sorry, lots of questions)09:50
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amotokiajo: thanks. look at it a bit later.09:51
ajoshz : https://git.netfilter.org/conntrack-tools/tree/src/conntrack.c#n134209:51
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ajoshz : https://git.netfilter.org/conntrack-tools/tree/src/conntrack.c#n239009:52
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ajoI don't have an easy environment to reproduce this, but if you were able to recompile conntrack tools with debug, and run a query to do it and see where does it block09:55
ajothat would be great09:55
ajotracing it with gdb09:55
ajomay be there's some way to parallelize conntrack tool09:55
ajomay be it's waiting for some kernel timer to expire, or something09:55
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openstackgerritOleg Bondarev proposed openstack/neutron: DVR: handle dvr serviceable port's host change  https://review.openstack.org/23847809:59
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shzajo, l2 agent directly calling conntack command costs much time, as the use case described in bug:https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513765, a defaul sg has 100 VMs, when bulk delete, it should call 100x100 times10:02
openstackLaunchpad bug 1513765 in neutron "bulk delete ports cost ovs-agent much time" [High,In progress] - Assigned to shihanzhang (shihanzhang)10:02
itzikbpavel_bondar: hi, regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1494351 - is it fixed?10:03
openstackLaunchpad bug 1494351 in neutron "Observed StaleDataError in gate-neutron-dsvm-api tests if reference IPAM driver is used" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117)10:03
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ajoshz , 100x100 across the cloud?10:05
ajoand 100xN where N is the number of VMs in a node, right?10:06
shzyes10:06
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ajoshz, and conntrack tool calls are slower when you have more open connections?10:06
ajoor that doesn't matter?10:06
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ajoconntrack takes the same time for every call?, or it depends on the amount of open connections?10:07
ajoI think we should look into getting conntrack optimized10:07
shzI thinks it takes same time, but when VMs number is large, it will cost much time10:08
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garykitzikb: from the bugs it look like something was fixed. I have seen this issue a number of times after the bug was fixed...10:16
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itzikbgaryk: hi! :-)10:16
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mhickeyGood morning all10:17
itzikbgaryk: Did you encounter this one?10:17
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itzikbgaryk: or in the gate?10:18
garykitzikb: i saw it in two places: 1 gate and 2 load testing that i did10:18
garykitzikb: that is, the neutron service blew up when using rally10:19
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itzikbgaryk: I encountered it while running tempest network api tests10:20
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garykcool10:21
itzikbgaryk: Can you fix it ? :-)10:21
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garykitzikb: this may address it - https://review.openstack.org/223123 (i have yet to try)10:21
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itzikbgaryk:  thanks , I'll check when I have a setup and ping you10:23
garykitzikb: gracias. much appreciated.10:23
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openstackgerritAnn Kamyshnikova proposed openstack/neutron: Avoid working with the transaction that has been rolled back  https://review.openstack.org/23048110:29
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wdeclercqping tmorin10:41
tmorinhi wdeclercq10:41
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wdeclercqHey (nuage, router association bgpvpn here) , I have some issues with alembic's --autogenerate stuff. The generated migration ends up dropping all tables. did you ever encounter something like this?10:43
openstackgerritKevin Benton proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Add spec for push notification refactor  https://review.openstack.org/22599510:45
tmorinwdeclercq: not seen this on any platform yet10:45
tmorinwdeclercq: what devstack branch are you running ?10:46
wdeclercqjust master10:46
tmorinwdeclercq: but I didn't use autogenerate to prepare the current scripts10:46
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wdeclercqah, just revision --expand and fill it by hand?10:46
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tmorinwdeclercq: you should be running devstack stable/liberty to develop on networking-bgpvpn -- this is our current target10:47
tmorinwdeclercq: I ported by hand the script that we had before moving to the expand/contract revision structure10:47
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tmorinwdeclercq: what files does --autogenerate generates ?10:48
openstackgerritMartin Hickey proposed openstack/neutron: [WIP]Automatically generate neutron core configuration files  https://review.openstack.org/20420610:48
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wdeclercqOn that mitaka devstack: alembic_migrations/versions/mitaka/contract/1f55df0b109b_add_router_association_table.py   alembic_migrations/versions/liberty/expand/4578d75e2c02_add_router_association_table.py    alembic_migrations/versions/liberty/expand/13efa3e71a2e_.py10:49
tmorinwdeclercq: can you paste the xyz_x.py on paste.openstack.org ?10:49
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tmorinor "git push" your code on your personal github so that I can have a look ?10:50
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openstackgerritKevin Benton proposed openstack/neutron: Revert "Move dhcp_lease_duration into DHCP agent config options list"  https://review.openstack.org/24570510:53
wdeclercqhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/478947/  -- It's not necessarily related to the bgpvpn plugin. A colleague here has the same issue with --autogenerate dropping tables it shouldn't.  I guess alembic isn't finding the current model and I'm missing some sort of configuration or so.10:54
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openstackgerritAnn Kamyshnikova proposed openstack/neutron: Add UniqueConstraint in L3HARouterAgentPortBinding  https://review.openstack.org/23812210:54
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tmorinwdeclercq: AFAIU, the contract branch is not mean to do downgrades, it is meant to manage the parts of upgrades that remove columns or drop tables10:58
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tmorinwdeclercq: in practice the change for adding a router association table should not have anything under contract10:59
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tmorinwdeclercq: I don't know why --autogenerate does the wrong thing, though...11:00
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wdeclercqtmorin, yeah. Me neither. But if you did it without autogenerate i'll just do the same. That'll definitely work... after I changed to liberty11:01
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mosheleajo: hi11:04
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ajohi moshele11:04
ajohow're you doing?11:04
mosheleajo: I am fine thank you :), how are you?11:04
ajoI was talking on #openstack-nova about scheduling bits & APIs11:04
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ajomoshele , here I am , struggling on several fronts :D11:05
mosheleajo: yes I saw that and I just wanted to ask you if you plane to continue the qos meetings11:05
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ajomoshele , yeah, we should probably restart those to prioritize work for this cycle11:05
ajomoshele , can you help me put up an agenda for next one?11:05
tmorinwdeclercq: ok, sounds good11:06
mosheleajo: sure, also you plan to join the SR-IOV meeting11:06
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ajomoshele , may be we can start a tiny etherpad, and share it on the ML11:06
ajomoshele , what's the date & time for that meeting?11:06
ajosounds like I should :)11:06
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mosheleajo: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#SR-IOV/PCI_Passthrough_Meeting11:07
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mosheleajo:  so we can push the scheduling part with QOS11:08
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mosheleajo: anyway let me know how can I help, and I will do my best :)11:10
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ajomoshele , I think, the scheduling part is the most complicated11:13
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mosheleajo: yes I think so too11:13
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ajomoshele , the bad part is that we're depending on nova scheduler refactors, but still, we may want to start thinking about how to define reusable APIs for neutron (and other components) so we can extend those scheduling decissions.11:13
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mosheleajo: yes it the refactoring is only this bp https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225546/ or are there others ?11:14
ajomoshele , I'm being pointed to to serveral things I will make a summary11:15
ajomoshele , can you start an etherpad for a QoS meeting agenda?11:15
ajoI will add those details there11:15
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mosheleajo: sure11:15
mosheleajo: I will try to send you something11:16
moshele by the end of day11:16
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prithivmls11:29
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igordcardprithivm, total 011:39
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vikascirenab,  ping11:41
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irenabvikasc: hey11:47
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vikascirenab,  i tried to answer your queries here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241134/11:48
irenabsorry for holding the patch. I just want to be sure, that the dhcp=true option is supported.11:48
vikascirenab, dhcp option is still supported. I had discussion with Banix also regarding this.11:49
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vikascirenab,IMO, in some ipam approaches operators may want to enable dhcp and handle already allocated ip on their own.11:50
irenabvikasc: great, it was just not obvious from the commit message. It seems like you had to switch the value, since it does not work.11:50
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vikascirenab, sorry for commit message. yes it was not working initially.11:51
irenabvikasc: but enable DHCP means, enable neutron DHCP11:52
vikascirenab, yes11:52
vikascirenab, enabling dhcp on neutron subnet11:52
irenabvikasc: maybe it makes more sense to set IPAM provider in the config?11:53
irenabso if its neutron, then DHCP is enabled?11:53
vikascdocker has --ipam-driver option to set ipam provider11:53
vikascirenab, i mean docker network command11:54
irenabvikasc: just having this ‘dhcp’ config seems fragmented part of something which is not totally clear11:54
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irenabvikasc: if docker does not specify ipam-driver, kuryr supposed to assume neutron?11:55
vikascirenab, no.. in that case docker provides its own built-in ipam driver11:55
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vikascirenab, which provides ip addresses.11:56
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vikascbuilt-in ipam driver then allocates ip which is passed to kuryr11:57
irenabvikasc: so we assume global setting of IPAM option11:57
irenabwhich should be just mirrored into neutron11:57
vikascirenab,  yes11:58
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irenabvikasc: so just to sum-up the current state, if neutron subnet dhcp is enabled, it should work.11:59
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irenabbut the default is ‘disbaled’11:59
vikascirenab, p is being allocated by default IPAM driver of libnetwork. As we dont have kuryr ipam driver at present, so we dont have any choice other than using default ipam driver, until kuryr ipam driver is not there. Earlier no ip was coming from libnetwork so ip allocation part was being handled by neutron but with built-in ipam, kuryr is honoring libnetwork request of allocated ip but built-in ipam dont have any idea that dhcp namespace has con12:00
vikascsumed one ip.12:00
vikasc*consumed12:00
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vikascs/p/IP12:00
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vikascirenab, as of current state, if dhcp is enabled, builtin ipam may allocate an ip which is already  taken up by dhcp port. So it will not work12:02
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vikascirenab, so to make it work with builtin ipam driver, dhcp needs to be disabled12:03
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irenabso maybe what we need, is raise exception or log warning if DHCP is set to True12:04
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irenabI want to make sure we do not leave broken window …12:05
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vikascirenab, in some scenarios enabling dhcp may be totally fine. Can you please explain when to log warning?12:07
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irenabit depends if we can track the situaltion12:09
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vikascirenab, I will think over your suggestion. Need to leave for now. Thanks :)12:10
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irenabvikasc: I will revisit the patch as well12:10
vikascirenab, I appreciate.12:11
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irenabajo: ping12:13
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eezhovapc_m, Hi! Could you please remove Workflow-1 from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240177/ ?13:02
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pc_meezhova: Sure, let me check...13:05
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pc_meezhova: done.13:05
eezhovapc_m, thanks :)13:05
openstackgerritenikanorov proposed openstack/neutron: Resync L3, DHCP and OVS/LB agents upon revival  https://review.openstack.org/23266113:06
pc_meezhova: Just realized, we should have docimpact.13:06
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openstackgerritElena Ezhova proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Fix options for pluto per-peer logging  https://review.openstack.org/24017713:08
pc_meezhova: I think there is a bug asking for improved logging. You may want to look at 1308730 and see if this could address that bug.13:09
eezhovapc_m, looking13:09
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eezhovapc_m, I guess my patch can be marked as Related-Bug, as it doesn't enable debug logging for pluto, but fixes perpeer logging13:11
eezhovapc_m, I'll add a link to the commit message13:11
pc_meezhova: ok. thanks. I didn't look at the bug too close.13:11
openstackgerritElena Ezhova proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Fix options for pluto per-peer logging  https://review.openstack.org/24017713:12
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openstackgerritenikanorov proposed openstack/neutron: Avoid race condition for reserved DHCP ports  https://review.openstack.org/23698313:17
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akamyshnikovaamuller, hi!13:26
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amullerakamyshnikova: morning13:26
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akamyshnikovaamuller, are you aware of any cases when we have split brain of ha routers? I mean link is lost and router have two alive active agents?13:28
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amullerakamyshnikova: if the host hosting the router loses connectivity to the tenant networks physnet, it will become master13:29
amullerakamyshnikova: you could have two masters that way, and the routers don't detect the failure13:29
amullerakamyshnikova: so they retain the VIPs, including the FIPs. If they don't also lose connectivity to the external networks, chaos will insue13:30
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amullerakamyshnikova: you can also have the reverse failure: The host retains connectivity to the tenant networks physnet but loses connectivity to the external network13:31
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amullerakamyshnikova: it'll remain master but VMs will lose external connectivity13:31
akamyshnikovaamuller, have you seen such things happen? Because I assume this very rare cases?13:33
amullerakamyshnikova: I haven't personally but it can obviously happen13:33
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ZZelleenikanorov, hi13:35
enikanorovZZelle: hi13:35
akamyshnikovaamuller, do you think this a valid cases for researching how to prevent this? Should we have a bug for this?13:35
ZZelleenikanorov, about https://review.openstack.org/205631, i am not sure to understand your proposal13:35
amullerakamyshnikova: we have a bug for the latter case: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/136546113:36
openstackLaunchpad bug 1365461 in neutron "HA router should failover if GW address is not reachable" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to Yoni Shafrir (yshafrir)13:36
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amullerakamyshnikova: for the first, I'm not sure it's solvable. I remember I gave it a fair bit of thought and couldn't come up with any approach to solve it.13:36
korzenakamyshnikova, I have seen a lot of split brains, the problem I was hitting was no connectivity on keepalived interfaces - wrong OVS config13:37
enikanorovZZelle: the gist of the idea is that certain networks can't be established on certain hosts. So why would not we somehow find out that kind of associations?13:37
ZZelleamuller, hi, if you are interested we (enikanorov and i) are talking about network aware dhcp scheduler13:37
amullerZZelle: ack13:37
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korzenakamyshnikova, I have also seen problem on sending the master message to neutron server13:38
amullerakamyshnikova: korzen: Yeah the main issue with L3 HA split brain is just wrong configuration and not an actual Neutron bug13:38
ZZelleenikanorov, not certain hosts only certain dhcp agent servers as we (neutron) are not involved in nova scheduling13:38
korzenakamyshnikova, causing the DB to be out of sync with L3 agent13:38
enikanorovZZelle: but that's the same13:39
enikanorovZZelle: you can't have ports of network X on host Y13:39
akamyshnikovaamuller, great, thanks a lot!13:39
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akamyshnikovakorzen, wow, how do you solve this?13:39
korzenakamyshnikova, couple of restarts of L3 agent should work ;)13:40
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akamyshnikovaamuller, by the way, give your opinion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1511732 when you have time :)13:40
openstackLaunchpad bug 1511732 in neutron "HA router schedule for another active agent " [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Ann Kamyshnikova (akamyshnikova)13:40
ZZelleenikanorov, indeed13:40
akamyshnikovakorzen, nice :)13:41
enikanorovZZelle: then why to involve agents here? To me it seems convoluted and confusing. I'd like to see something more generic13:41
korzenI've talked to amuller in Tokyo, that there should be so kind of reinforcement mechanism to make sure the message really arived at neutron server13:41
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korzenfrom my experience - the L3 Ha config is very fragile13:42
korzenI have hit multiple times issues with master/slave router config13:43
ZZelleenikanorov, (L2) agents are involved because it's our ML2 OVS/LB mechanism are working13:43
amullerkorzen: do you have specific reproducable issues? Did you report bugs?13:43
ZZelleenikanorov, OVS-LB L2-agents own their configuration13:43
ZZelleenikanorov, but the scheduler is not aware of this plugin'  implementation detail13:44
korzenamuller it was case by case basis but I have one reproducible test case13:45
akamyshnikovakorzen, this seems to be an area for improvement if it is so13:45
korzenamuller, I did not have a time to report a bug yet13:45
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amullerakamyshnikova: responded on the bug13:47
korzenfor example - when after network node restart, there is no connectivity between network node and server node, the L3 agent will send the master message and do not care about the fact that the server did not get it13:47
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enikanorovZZelle: yeah, but we're kind of modifying ml2 to get those details available to the basic scheduler. Why not to create specific scheduler to account for that case?13:48
amullerkorzen: akamyshnikova: I think an exponential backoff retry should be added to that RPC message13:48
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ZZelleenikanorov, you are proposing to define a  scheduler that is aware of ML2 internal?13:49
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korzenakamyshnikova amuller the keepalived interfaces checker would be also nice13:52
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron: sub_projects.rst: Update midonet functionalities  https://review.openstack.org/24564913:53
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enikanorovZZelle: i'd like to see more generic solution as it would then be utilized by L3 scheduler and possibly lbaas13:54
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garykZZelle: please see my comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245518/13:55
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garyki thingk that the code will look pretty unreaable with the changes that we need fo rthe pep813:55
garyklet me know what you think13:55
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korzenamuller, can you take a look at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143169/59 , the DVR-HA patch is waiting a long time for second +2 ...13:55
korzenhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/14316913:55
amullerkorzen: I know, doing my best...13:55
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amullerkorzen: It's high on my list13:56
korzenamuller, ok, thx :)13:56
ZZelleenikanorov, nothing disallows L3 agents to reuse it, the main trouble is perhaps that it filters an agent list instead of returning a list of valid hosts13:56
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enikanorovi think ml2 should answer the question "can network X be on host Y"13:57
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enikanorovZZelle: that would look generic enough for me13:57
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/neutron: Fix releasenotes/../unreleased.rst  https://review.openstack.org/24578013:57
ZZelleenikanorov, ah ok, fine for me, i will update13:57
openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron: Switch to using neutron.common.utils:replace_file()  https://review.openstack.org/23200813:58
enikanorovZZelle: this can be utilized then by any scheduler13:58
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akamyshnikovaamuller, thanks!13:59
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garykkorzen: i added some comments to the patch.14:03
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pc_mHenryG: ping14:09
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garykihrachys: please see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245705/. I am not 100% sure about this revert. But you can feel free to approve14:25
garykihrachys: i guess there may be cases when a plugin uses the value and it does not have a DHCP agent. Which is legit :)14:28
garykbut i am leaving it to you to take alook14:28
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openstackgerritMartin Hickey proposed openstack/neutron: [WIP]Automatically generate neutron core configuration files  https://review.openstack.org/20420614:32
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openstackgerritAnn Kamyshnikova proposed openstack/neutron: Add UniqueConstraint in L3HARouterAgentPortBinding  https://review.openstack.org/23812214:38
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slottiHey guys, I've got a question about scaling neutron with nova cells on liberty. Is there a best practice? Would it be possible to deploy a neutron-server per cell? How could i specify on which neutron I want to create a network for example?14:57
johnthetubaguyslotti: cells + neutron doesn't work right now, at least not with the libvirt driver14:57
johnthetubaguyslotti: cells v2 plans to support this, but there will need to the concept of IP Networks, or similar before you can do things in the same was a nova-network + cells v1 works14:58
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slottiOh ok, so at the moment cells would only be possible using nova-network?14:59
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slottijohnthetubaguy: Thank you for the information!15:00
johnthetubaguyslotti: its hard to recommend using cells v1 for a new deployment right now, its going to be a tricky migration to cells v2 + neutron (which is the future plan)15:01
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slottijohnthetubaguy: I'm currently only into research and trying figure out everything. So it's no problem for me at the moment, but it will be a nice feature in the future i think. Thank you!15:05
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johnthetubaguyslotti: cells v2 is the future, it should be much better around all these integrations areas (basically everyone will be doing cells by default at that point, so there is no special case logic).15:21
sc68calajo: did you see my attempt at a logstash query in https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/151590615:25
openstackLaunchpad bug 1515906 in neutron "lb: TypeError: %d format: a number is required, not unicode found in linuxbridge agent log" [Low,Incomplete]15:25
ajosc68cal , nope, let me look :)15:25
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garykZZelle: around15:27
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ajosc68cal not even for message:"TypeError: %d format: a number is required, not unicode"15:28
sc68calajo: nope. It's possible my logstash-fu sucks, but I was able to get results for the request ID15:29
ajohmm15:29
sc68calajo: which was in the stack trace, but not that error message15:29
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ajosc68cal : my kibana-fu sucks too15:29
ajosc68cal : it's supposed to be here15:30
sc68calajo: right15:30
ajohttp://logs.openstack.org/85/193485/13/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-linuxbridge/079f108/logs/screen-q-agt.txt.gz#_2015-11-12_08_45_59_50215:30
ZZellegaryk, back15:30
ajosc68cal : definitely, our kibana-fu suck15:30
ajoXDD15:30
ajoor logstash is broken15:30
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sc68calajo: probably should see if we can find someone better at kibana to help us15:31
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ZZellegaryk, imo, pep8 is a wrong argument: someone will change it for sure in a follow-up change and it gives a wrong example15:31
sc68calso either here or -infra15:31
ajosc68cal, yes :/15:31
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garykZZelle: ok.15:32
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openstackgerritManjeet Singh Bhatia proposed openstack/neutron: WIP: Reorganize and improve l3_agent functional tests  https://review.openstack.org/24333115:34
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ljxiash@ajo a15:36
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ajohi ljxiash15:36
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sc68calajo: it's because it's debug level. Logstash only gets INFO+15:39
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ajoah, crap15:39
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ajosc68cal , thanks for the info, I guess then we have no way to track it via logstash unless we introduce something to raise the level of those15:39
sc68calajo: yup, thinking the same thing15:40
sc68calajo: you should be in #openstack-qa btw15:41
ajosc68cal : joined :)15:42
ajothanks15:42
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openstackgerritDongcan Ye proposed openstack/neutron: Add helper info for notification_driver  https://review.openstack.org/24584815:52
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openstackgerrityalei wang proposed openstack/neutron: Add the missing arg of RetryRequest exception in _lock_subnetpool  https://review.openstack.org/24399715:56
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openstackgerritZhi Chang proposed openstack/neutron: Create default sg rules when create a sg  https://review.openstack.org/24553715:57
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openstackgerritgaryk proposed openstack/neutron: Use DEVICE_OWNER_* for 'network:*' constants  https://review.openstack.org/24551816:02
garykZZelle: ^16:02
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openstackgerritZhi Chang proposed openstack/neutron: Create default sg rules when create a sg  https://review.openstack.org/24553716:05
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openstackgerritManjeet Singh Bhatia proposed openstack/neutron: Reuse constants defined in attributes  https://review.openstack.org/24223016:19
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todinhi, is this tutorial still vaild for testen the bgp-dynamic-routing feature? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/DynamicRouting/TestingDynamicRouting16:24
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carl_baldwinitzikb: I cannot see the pastebin that you referenced.  Says it is removed.16:26
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openstackgerritRyan Tidwell proposed openstack/neutron: Add explicit address family to AddressScope  https://review.openstack.org/23331716:29
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openstackgerritZongKai LI proposed openstack/neutron: fix get_ha_sync_data_for_host for non-dvr agent  https://review.openstack.org/23990816:45
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davidshaajo: ping16:50
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openstackgerritgaryk proposed openstack/neutron: Remove transparent VLAN support from base plugin  https://review.openstack.org/24316317:07
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dans_I got this error and I didn't find anything on google about it. "TRACE neutron.agent.dhcp.agent Stderr: mount --make-shared "/var/run/netns failed": Permission denied" I'm running neutron inside of an LXC container. Anyone know how to enable support of network namespaces inside an LXC container? Thanks for the help!!17:17
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amullerdans_: Perhaps the Kolla folks would know17:20
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dans_amuller: Where should I go to ask the Kolla folks? I'm not familiar with them17:31
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dasmdans_: kolla folks have own irc channel: #kolla17:31
dasmdans_: but also, probably, magnum folks could help you17:31
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dans_:) thanks a lot17:32
dasmboth projects are messing with containers.17:32
dasmdans_: np.17:32
adam_gany cores available to +W through a trivial? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242775/  notification drivers are currently broken in mitaka, this fixes a trivial packaging error17:33
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron: Fix broken references in doc  https://review.openstack.org/24467217:45
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openstackgerritgaryk proposed openstack/neutron: Remove transparent VLAN support from base plugin  https://review.openstack.org/24316317:51
garykadam_g: nothing is simple :)17:51
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garykadam_g: i am good with that change. lets give yamamoto a few hours to reconsider his vore. is that ok?17:52
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adam_ggaryk, sure. thanks17:57
openstackgerritJohn Belamaric proposed openstack/neutron: Add networking-infoblox sub-project  https://review.openstack.org/24481417:57
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dasmgaryk: question regarding your patchset: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243163/5/neutron/tests/unit/extensions/test_vlantransparent.py18:02
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dasmwhere are you using `create_network` method? i do not see it anywhere18:02
dasmgaryk: ok, nvm. i see it.18:04
garykok. the idea that this is the plugin18:04
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dasmgaryk: yeah, i see it now.18:12
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garykok. cool18:15
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dougwigpc_m: do you have any time this week to track down some of the failures here?  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242219/18:54
HenryGadam_g: done18:56
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HenryGgaryk: I think yamamoto is asleep :)18:57
pc_mdougwig: I s=hould be able to spend some time on it. I've been playing with this on my local system (with a similar repo).18:58
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pc_mdougwig: Was going OK, until I hit some chained dependencies.18:58
adam_gHenryG, ty!18:58
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dougwigpc_m: that change above factors out the goo of a separate repo, so it's a little more straight-forward to test.18:58
dougwigHenryG: ping, db/lib questions.18:59
HenryGdougwig: sure18:59
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pc_mdougwig: I've got some other work to do today, but can look at it tomorrow.  May need some help in merging in changes (never have done the pull request stuff).18:59
dougwigHenryG: i'd initially thought that there should be no sqla in neutron-lib, and just make fake models that are clients, but I think that doesn't fit what we need it for very well.  now i'm pondering db mixins, base alembic goo, base plugin classes.   opinions, other thoughts?  i think pc_m has also spent some time thinking about this, any thoughts there?19:00
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dougwigHenryG: what can we pull in and still use a library release model?  where does drawing the line make sense?19:00
pc_mdougwig: May be able to put base db model stuff in the lib.19:00
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HenryGdougwig: as long as changes in lib never result in a db migration, you can probably get what you want19:01
dougwigpc_m: oh, i'm sure we *can*. just where does the line make sense w.r.t. to how we release neutron and how our dependent repos use models?19:01
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pc_mdougwig: agreed19:02
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dougwigHenryG: hmm, i'd intuitively tend to agree.  but, what do we do about a subproject that wants access to Port?  a client pass-through class?  Or... ?  How do we get to the point of that subproject not importing neutron?19:02
dougwigsomething loaded into neutron itself then calling the rest api seems...  ill-advised.19:03
HenryGdougwig: I need to think about this19:03
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dougwigHenryG: ok, can you ponder, and ping me back when you've thought about it?19:03
Bofu2UApologies if I'm interrupting :P For neutron L2 with vlans, those vlans don't need internet access do they? As in on the switch, etc, level.19:04
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dougwigBofu2U: no worries, and no, they do not.19:04
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HenryGdougwig: will do19:05
Bofu2UThank you. Just troubleshooting a etcd issue and first time I rolled this without GRE.19:05
dougwigHenryG: ty19:05
Bofu2UK back to the cave. :) Thanks again, dougwig.19:05
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openstackgerritRyan Tidwell proposed openstack/neutron: [WIP] Add Network Availability to Host Mapping API  https://review.openstack.org/24594219:45
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openstackgerritVincent Untz proposed openstack/neutron: Ensure metadata agent doesn't use SSL for UNIX socket  https://review.openstack.org/24594519:52
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regXboito all, anybody know what took multinode jobs to 100% failure rate starting yesterday?20:49
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openstackgerritAssaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Remove unused delete_dvr_mac_address method  https://review.openstack.org/24597520:50
amullercarl_baldwin: haleyb: I was working on a testing doc change, and I added an example of a good unit test. That method and its test were what I chose, and then by chance I discovered that it's actually unused20:50
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amullercarl_baldwin: haleyb: So I sent a patch to remove it, and now I have to search for another good test :(20:51
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carl_baldwinamuller: :(20:55
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openstackgerritAssaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Remove unused delete_dvr_mac_address method  https://review.openstack.org/24597520:55
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regXboiamuller, carl_baldwin: see my comment above - it looks like the multinode jobs are 100% failing now :(20:57
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amullerregXboi: carl_baldwin: OK, I'll try to figure it out20:58
regXboiamuller: yeah I'll look as well - saw it while looking for something else20:59
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openstackgerritAssaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Add fullstack testing doc content  https://review.openstack.org/24598221:10
openstackgerritAssaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Moved fullstack test doc content to TESTING.rst  https://review.openstack.org/24598321:10
openstackgerritAssaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Add content to TESTING.rst, examples, do's and don'ts  https://review.openstack.org/24598421:10
regXboiamuller: I think it's a problem in the setup of tempest.api.compute.admin.test_live_migration.LiveBlockMigrationTestJSON21:11
amullerregXboi: done with docs, will now look in to the multinode failure21:11
amullerregXboi: so probably a tempest patch then21:11
regXboiamuller: checking logstash for last 2 days21:11
amullerregXboi: do you have a date/hour the tests started failing roughly?21:11
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regXboiThe check pipeline graph hints mid morning UTC 11/1521:12
regXboiso I'm looking at logstash now21:12
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kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: i can't recall why i convinced myself that the physnet bridge_mappings was not adequate to map networks to hosts for the l3 use case21:15
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: after amuller's comment I thought it through and can't see why they aren't adeqaute21:16
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: i left a comment after amuller's on the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225384/21:16
openstackgerritRyan Tidwell proposed openstack/neutron: Add explicit address family to AddressScope  https://review.openstack.org/23331721:16
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carl_baldwinkevinbenton: I vaguely recall thinking about this but I don't remember either.21:17
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kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: think it through. if we can get by with the workflow i described i think a lot of the legwork is already done21:18
regXboiamuller: http://logstash.openstack.org/#dashboard/file/logstash.json?query=message:%20%5C%22AttributeError:%20type%20object%20'LiveBlockMigrationTestJSON'%20has%20no%20attribute%20'admin_hosts_client'%5C%2221:18
carl_baldwinkevinbenton: I also remember learning about the bridge_mappings as part of this but I can't remember how they work.21:18
regXboishows 269 hits in the last two days21:18
regXboimicro analysis shows they are *all* from multinode tests21:18
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: then we can conceivably add an API to control bridge_mappings (they are all conf driven now) because that has use cases that are outside of this anyway21:19
kevinbentoni know it's something amuller expressed interest in at one point as well21:19
kevinbentonamuller: is that right ^ ?21:19
regXboiamuller: 139 from gate-tempest-dsvm-multinode-full, 68 from dsvm-neutron-multinode-full, and 52 from dsvm-neutron-dvr-multinode-full21:19
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regXboiLooks like it started 11/14 19:31:53 UTC21:20
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kevinbentonZZelle and I even cooked up a way to automatically migrate people that are using the deprecated external_bridge on the l3 agent if we have server-side bridge_mappings21:21
regXboiamuller: you want to ask in -infra or should I?21:21
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openstackgerritRichard Theis proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Add route options to neutron router-update  https://review.openstack.org/24599621:40
amullerkevinbenton: yep21:40
amullerregXboi: sorry was afk, I'll look in to it21:40
amullerregXboi: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233711/21:42
amullerregXboi: check out the last comment21:42
* regXboi reads21:42
amullerregXboi: and this is the fix21:43
amullerregXboi: it's already approved21:43
amullerregXboi: so nothing to do on our end but wait :)21:43
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regXboiamuller: I guess I like that21:43
regXboibut it means another lost week21:43
regXboibecause we don't have any useful statistics from the mn jobs on making them voting :(21:44
regXboiamuller: what's the link on the fix?21:44
regXboithat didn't come through21:44
amulleroops21:44
amullerhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/245697/21:44
regXboiack21:44
regXboioh lord21:44
regXboithat's got a -2 from jenkins on it21:44
Sam-I-Amhowdy folks21:45
amullerregXboi: someone hit reverify21:45
regXboiI see that21:45
* regXboi crosses fingers21:45
* regXboi hopes we don't get caught in the crossfire any more than we already are21:45
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openstackgerritRawlin Peters proposed openstack/neutron: Batch DVR ARP updates to boost performance  https://review.openstack.org/23954321:49
amullerkevinbenton: according to my earlier conversations with the GoDaddy folks they're already using physnets as you described in the comment21:50
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amullerkevinbenton: that's the same reason they like the physnet aware dhcp scheduler patch21:52
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amullerkevinbenton: they commented as such on the patch21:52
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amullerkevinbenton: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205631/21:52
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kevinbentonamuller: makes sense21:56
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kevinbentonamuller: the only issue i can think of with using different physnets to indicate this stuff occurs in a topology where VLANs are still global.21:57
kevinbentonIf each rack is a different physnet, you could end up creating two different networks associated to two racks and have them using the same VLAN21:58
kevinbentonsince we scope VLAN uniqueness to physnets21:58
amullerkevinbenton: we do? that's new to me :)21:59
amullerkevinbenton: so I don't understand the issue, seems pretty flexible to me21:59
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kevinbentonHowever, I'm not convinced that is a real issue because, if you can send VLANs anywhere, you wouldn't be in an L3-to-Tor deployment21:59
kevinbentonamuller: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/type_vlan.py#L67-L7022:00
openstackgerritAishwarya Thangappa proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Firewall as a Service API 2.0  https://review.openstack.org/24387322:00
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amullerkevinbenton: cool22:00
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kevinbentonamuller: right, since this is all operator driven workflow it's not like it will silently fail22:00
kevinbentonor mess up22:00
kevinbentonamuller: i'm just trying to think if there are any issues where restricting a physnet to a rack would limit something in a bad way22:01
kevinbentonamuller: but i'm not coming up with much22:01
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carl_baldwinkevinbenton: amuller:  Sorry was afk, reading up.22:25
amullerkevinbenton: my emotional response when asked to write a spec for a change: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFYoZ7H67A&t=3m16s22:26
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kevinbentonamuller: that feels about right :)22:27
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kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: make sure you refresh, a couple of comments just rolled in from Ryan, Kris and me22:27
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* carl_baldwin still trying to wrap his head around the segmentation ID thing.22:28
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carl_baldwinkevinbenton: "we scope VLAN uniqueness to physnets" means we can reuse the same VLAN id between physnets?22:29
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: yes22:29
amullerya22:29
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/type_vlan.py#L67-L7022:30
carl_baldwinkevinbenton: Right, that makes it clear.22:31
ZZelle_carl_baldwin, yes, we can reuse them22:31
amuller"Neutron will keep a *mapping* from Network to any number of hosts.", if that is the requirement then the scoping of segmentation IDs to a physical_network doesn't matter22:31
amullerneutron -> physical_network -> list of hosts22:32
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amullersorry network -> ...22:32
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amullerin fact why do segmentation IDs matter for this mapping anyway22:32
amullerwhen do they come in to play?22:33
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carl_baldwinamuller: My thinking was that it would be natural to reuse the segment ID between physnets in this use case.  Not allowing that would've been a limitation to consider and at least document.  They don't necessarily come in to play in the mapping itself.22:34
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carl_baldwinamuller: kevinbenton: tidwellr1:  My next question is around the availability of the bridge_mappings on the server side.  I didn't think the server had knowledge of them.  Is there already something sent to the server about them from the agent?22:35
amulleryeah22:35
amullerit's persisted as part of the configurations dict of each agent22:35
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amullerI used that information in the physnet aware DHCP scheduler patch22:36
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tidwellr1that's a bit of a hangup, although from a usability perspective relying on bridge_mappings feels much nicer than the API we've been envisioning22:36
carl_baldwinamuller: I should look at your DHCP aware scheduler patch. ..22:37
amullercarl_baldwin: it's certainly tighly coupled to this discussion IMO22:37
amullercarl_baldwin: I wouldn't want to move on that patch for now until we know what we're doing here22:37
amullerit's also related to AZs22:38
amullerwhat a mess :)22:38
tidwellr1:)22:38
tidwellr1amuller: do you have link to your physnet-aware DHCP patch?22:39
carl_baldwintidwellr1: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205631/22:39
tidwellr1thanks22:39
amullerI pushed it because of the LDT22:39
amullerwe really need a cohesive story with L3 networks, physical_network tags and AZs22:39
* carl_baldwin refreshing his memory on that patch. It fell off his radar...22:39
carl_baldwinamuller: I'm not sure what L3 networks have to do directly with AZs or DHCP.22:40
amullercarl_baldwin: if you look at the image linked in the commit message for the DHCP scheduler patch, it talks about the same use case22:41
amullerand in the patch the question about AZs came up22:42
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amullermaybe those 3 subjects are confused just in my heads, dunno22:42
* amuller just revealed that he has more than one head22:42
carl_baldwinamuller: I'll have a look.22:45
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin, amuller, tidwellr1: and like i mentioned above, we have other use cases to allow bridge_mappings for agents to be defined via an API22:45
amullerkevinbenton: usability? :)22:45
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kevinbentonamuller: yes, that's one22:45
carl_baldwinkevinbenton: Right.  If we end up going this direction, development of that API could be decoupled from the rest.22:45
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: exactly22:46
tidwellr1kevinbenton: what other use cases did you have in mind?22:46
amullerideally I'd like us to move away from per-host conf options. Either provide an API for it or derive those options from the server via RPC22:46
kevinbentonamuller, tidwellr1: the other is to generate a bridge mapping automatically to migrate people using the external network bridge option in the l3 agent22:46
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kevinbentoncompletely unrelated to any of this22:47
kevinbentonjust another use case22:47
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carl_baldwinkevinbenton: The L3 agent isn't really involved in this work yet.22:47
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: this is completely separate from this work22:48
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: i'm talking about a migration for an option deprecated in liberty22:48
carl_baldwinkevinbenton: ok22:48
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: it's just something that depends on a server-side bridge_mapping22:48
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carl_baldwinamuller: I tend to think your network aware DHCP stuff mixes pretty well with this stuff.  I'm still not sure where AZs come in.  Still absorbing...22:56
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carl_baldwinamuller: I'm concerned about how the mapping is persisted.  Being a dict, it is pretty much opaque from a DB query point of view.22:57
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amullercarl_baldwin: True22:58
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amullercarl_baldwin: It's possible to change that22:58
carl_baldwinamuller: I was just going to say that.  ;)22:58
carl_baldwinIt is possible to change.  I'm just thinking out loud a bit...22:59
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amullercarl_baldwin: so, AZs are definitely worth mentioning in this context. You can group up your hosts with AZs and then schedule DHCP resources according to the network's AZ23:00
amullercarl_baldwin: and that solves the exact problem my patch is talking about too23:00
amullercarl_baldwin: the question is how are admins going to use Neutron AZs I suppose23:00
carl_baldwinamuller: I don't think it solves the exact problem.  Unless you conflate reachability within an AZ with a physnet.23:01
amullercarl_baldwin: Would a Neutron AZ map 1:1 to a Nova AZ? I would imagine so, the same host would belong to the same AZ in Nova and Neutron (Using the same AZ name)23:01
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amullercarl_baldwin: I'm saying you *can* solve the same problem (Is that correct?)23:01
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amullerYou could represent network reachability with AZs and mark your networks with that info23:02
carl_baldwinamuller: Given certain constraints, yes.   I just don't think I want those constraints.  Especially if Nova AZs are conflated with Neutron AZs.23:02
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amullercarl_baldwin: I don't know if 'conflating' nova and neutron AZs is a bad thing. Don't we want the term to mean the same thing across OpenStack?23:02
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amullerOtherwise that's one more item to the list of things Neutron is bashed about23:03
kevinbentonright, in which case we don't want L3 reachability to be tied to AZs23:03
carl_baldwinThat brings us to conflating Nova AZs with network reachability and L3 topology.  I'm pretty sure we don't want that.  I brought it up at Nova mid-cycle and it seemed clear that they didn't want it either.23:03
carl_baldwinkevinbenton: jinx23:03
tidwellr1carl_baldwin amuller: just thinking out loud and taking a step back, it feels like we're conflating a Neutron network and a physnet+segmentation_id pair, and maybe that's OK23:04
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amullerkevinbenton: carl_baldwin: Can anyone actually define what a Neutron AZ is, how would it be used, and how does that relate to Nova AZs?23:04
amullerI understand the technical use of it23:04
amullergroup networks by a tag (AZ) and schedule routers and DHCP resources according to that23:04
carl_baldwinamuller: I don't have much of a clue about Neutron AZs.23:04
amullerI don't understand much else23:04
kevinbentonamuller: i can't. that patch basically went in without me looking at it23:05
amullerI'm concerned then, it's a very visible change to OpenStack23:05
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amullerI don't want to get it wrong23:05
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kevinbentonamuller: i agree23:06
kevinbentonamuller: that's why i've been avoiding tying anything to AZs23:06
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kevinbentonif they don't mean anything, nobody can be mad :)23:06
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kevinbentontidwellr1: just a network and a physnet23:07
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kevinbentontidwellr1: the segmentation id doesn't matter23:07
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amullerkevinbenton: I see only the first patch was merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/add-availability-zone,n,z23:08
kevinbentontidwellr1: but yes, it is slightly different since a network could technically have multiple segments23:08
tidwellr1kevinbenton: can you explain you're thinking on why segmentation_id doesn't matter? I'm not sure I follow....23:08
amullermaybe Hirofumi could explain what an AZ is :)23:08
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kevinbentontidwellr1: the mapping isn't a phsnet+segmentation_id pair23:09
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kevinbentontidwellr1: the mapping is just to physnets23:09
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kevinbentontidwellr1: bridge_mappings just tells us which hosts have connectivity to which physnets23:09
tidwellr1kevinbenton: right23:10
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tidwellr1kevinbenton: showing a little ignorance here I suppose, but then isn't the assumption that a segmentation_id is unique on that physnet?23:11
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carl_baldwinSo, back to kevinbenton 's question about global VLANs.  If there are some VLANs that should be global and others which are local to the rack.  That could be handled by defining a different physnet for the global one?23:11
kevinbentontidwellr1: segmentation IDs are unique on each physnet23:12
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carl_baldwin... then it would be up to the operator to make sure the vlan ranges don't overlap where physnets overlap.23:12
kevinbentontidwellr1: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/type_vlan.py#L67-L7023:12
tidwellr1kevinbenton: ok, so my understanding is correct23:12
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: right, if someone has a global VLAN, it implies they have a physnet that spans multiple racks23:13
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amullerkevinbenton: +1 to that last comment23:14
carl_baldwinkevinbenton: Right.  I'm just making the point that if someone wanted to do that, they'd have different "physnets" in the same switches and they'd have to manage the VLAN ranges between them.23:14
tidwellr1kevinbenton: so, my point is that a physnet + segmentation_id doesn't feel like it can be equated with a Neuton network, which is what the host mappings for l3networks is all about23:14
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amullerthere is only one network with a specific (physnet, seg_id)23:15
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amullerwell, one per segmentation_type23:15
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amullerbut that's besides the point23:15
amullertidwellr1: I'm not sure what the problem is23:16
tidwellr1amuller: I'm thinking out loud, and you've made the case that there isn't a problem23:16
amullerok23:16
amullertidwellr1: this is harder without hearing your tone :)23:16
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kevinbentontidwellr1: a segment is unique to a network23:16
openstackgerritAdam Reznechek proposed openstack/neutron: Update networking-powervm sub-project docs  https://review.openstack.org/24602923:16
tidwellr1amuller: I was only pointing out that the intention is to map hosts to a Neutron network, we should be sure that we get the same semantics out of this23:17
amullersomeone should really invent some sort of way to transmit audio across distances23:17
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tidwellr1amuller: +123:17
kevinbentontidwellr1: well the intention was to have a mechanism to indicate where certain networks were available23:18
tidwellr1kevinbenton: exactly, we're saying the same (or at least trying to)23:18
kevinbentontidwellr1: not necessarily to have a direct mapping from host to network. as long as we can derive it we can solve the use case23:18
tidwellr1kevinbenton: yes, as long as it can be derived23:19
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tidwellr1carl_baldwin: so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245942/ can be abandoned?23:20
kevinbentontidwellr1: yes, so when you're given a network, you lookup its segments (technically a network can have multiple) and then you cross reference the physical network ones (VLAN, flat) with the bridge_mappings to get a list of hosts23:20
amullerkevinbenton: right now to accomplish that you'll have to grab *all* agents from the agents table I think (or filtered according to the agent_type), then do server side filtering according to the bridge_mappings23:21
amullerkinda sucks23:21
kevinbentonamuller: right, but that's just an optimization issue after that23:22
carl_baldwinamuller: I think we'll want to fix that.23:22
kevinbentonamuller: we can put them into a table23:22
amulleraye23:22
amullerjust saying23:22
amullerone more snag is23:22
amullerdifferent L2 agents send that info with different keys23:22
amullerit's fun :)23:22
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carl_baldwinamuller: kevinbenton: I've already noted that it my draft response about storing the data in a table.23:22
amullerI think ML2 already has an abstraction for that, lemme look23:22
amulleryes I added that a while back, 'get_mappings'23:23
carl_baldwinamuller: If its fun then what's the problem?  ;)23:23
tidwellr1kevinbenton amuller carl_baldwin: forgive me for throwing you on my train of thought and making you ride along :)23:24
kevinbentontidwellr1: no prob23:24
amullercarl_baldwin: When I was visiting Tokyo disney I was thinking, man I wish I was debating weird Neutron design issues23:24
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carl_baldwinamuller: shh.  I'm trying to think.  Can't be distracted by food.23:29
amullercarl_baldwin: going out for dinner, cya :)23:29
carl_baldwinamuller: :P23:30
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kevinbentonamuller: ttyl23:33
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carl_baldwinamuller: Have a nice dinner23:34
amullerthank you, talk to you tomorrow everyone23:34
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