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| yasufum | hi tacker team | 08:00 |
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| ueha | Hi | 08:01 |
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| yasufum | #startmeeting tacker | 08:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 25 08:05:05 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yasufum. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:05 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 08:05 |
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| yasufum | link: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tacker-meeting | 08:07 |
| yasufum | I have one topic today about freenode discussed on ML recently. | 08:09 |
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| ueha | I have one topic about devstack patch we discussed last week. | 08:09 |
| yasufum | But it seems that there is some update on topic from ueha. | 08:10 |
| yasufum | yes | 08:10 |
| ueha | Yes, can I go first? | 08:10 |
| yasufum | ueha: could you start from your topic? | 08:10 |
| yasufum | sure | 08:10 |
| ueha | Thanks! | 08:10 |
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| ueha | As I was concerned, devstack's patch have been merged today, causing FT errors. | 08:11 |
| ueha | "Change default network backend driver to ML2/OVN": https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/devstack/+/791436 | 08:11 |
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| ueha | I'm trying to solve FT error now, but it seems to be not going well.. | 08:12 |
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| ueha | I update and post the following patch: | 08:12 |
| ueha | 791252: [DNM] Set ML2 driver to OVS for resolving FT error | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tacker/+/791252 | 08:13 |
| ueha | 792872: [DNM] Test to use OVN | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tacker/+/792872 | 08:13 |
| ueha | I am not very familiar with devstack configuration. if you have any concerns and advices, please comment to gerrit. | 08:14 |
| yasufum | thanks | 08:16 |
| ueha | I'll keep trying it! | 08:16 |
| ueha | That's all from my side, thanks. | 08:17 |
| takahashi-tsc | Thank you so much, Hmm, we should disable some services like q-* explicitly? | 08:17 |
| takahashi-tsc | The above is about Using OVS. | 08:18 |
| takahashi-tsc | Anyway, I confirm the patch and error. | 08:18 |
| ueha | In devstack's patch change, "q-svc: true" is still enable. | 08:19 |
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| takahashi-tsc | But I think q-* is needed for using OVS... | 08:20 |
| ueha | Yes.. I think maybe so | 08:21 |
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| ueha | and Tacker uses "q-qos",, I'm wondering what to do with this. | 08:22 |
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| ueha | First of all in 792872, I'm trying to change the services and configurations just like `.zuul` of the devstack patch. | 08:24 |
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| takahashi-tsc | Sure, thanks. I'm not sure we need some qos feature or not if we use OVN... | 08:25 |
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| ueha | I think we need to investigate about the configuration for using OVN.. | 08:28 |
| takahashi-tsc | Yes... | 08:29 |
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| ueha | first, I will give priority to check and fix the patch 791252 so that the FT can pass. | 08:33 |
| yasufum | thank you for both | 08:33 |
| yasufum | oK | 08:33 |
| yasufum | I would like to check devstack | 08:33 |
| yasufum | Is there any comment for the topic? | 08:34 |
| yasufum | good | 08:35 |
| ueha | It seems nothing, Thank you. | 08:35 |
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| yasufum | For the next topic, it is remained about CNF installation with Helm, but seems no updates. | 08:36 |
| yasufum | So, move on to the next one from me. | 08:37 |
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| yasufum | As you may know, leaving from freenode has been discussed | 08:39 |
| yasufum | as suggested in http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-May/022468.html | 08:39 |
| yasufum | or http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-May/022539.html | 08:40 |
| yasufum | because of takeover of freenode recently | 08:40 |
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| yasufum | Some of teams have asked to leave from freenode soon | 08:44 |
| yasufum | while TC is still waiting for making a decision | 08:44 |
| yasufum | We’ve asked to choose a option for feedback from all OpenStack projects to decide our direction then. | 08:47 |
| yasufum | So, I would like to here your opinion about that | 08:47 |
| yasufum | I don’t think move away from freenode soon. | 08:48 |
| takahashi-tsc | I agree, but I'd like to know others' opinion. Why many projects want to move soon? | 08:49 |
| ueha | I look at the responses of other projects, is the amount of traffic or IRC activity a criterion for judgment? | 08:50 |
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| yasufum | takahashi-tsc: I don’t know about it so much actually, but I think they dislike such way of takeover, leaving many volunteer stuffs from freenode. | 08:53 |
| yasufum | I also agree to leave from freenode, but think no need to do right now. | 08:54 |
| takahashi-tsc | Yes, no need right now. | 08:55 |
| yasufum | ueha: might be one of the reason | 08:55 |
| yasufum | Anyway, do you have any idea about alternative of freenode? | 08:56 |
| yasufum | In some responses for the issue on ML, some of them don’t like slack :) | 08:57 |
| yasufum | For me, IRC is familier way to have such a meeting. | 08:58 |
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| yasufum | But If you have an idea of other tool, you can suggest it to community | 08:59 |
| yasufum | What do you think? | 09:01 |
| takahashi-tsc | Sorry, I have no idea of other specific tool... | 09:02 |
| ueha | I don't know much about others,, but IRC is relatively easy for me to have a meeting with English. | 09:03 |
| yasufum | OK, thanks | 09:03 |
| yasufum | Here is our opinion, “we are using IRC actively. we agree to move away from freenode, but no need to do right now. So, Option1” | 09:05 |
| takahashi-tsc | Hmm, almost projects choose Option2 "We want to move away from Freenode right now." | 09:06 |
| yasufum | yes | 09:06 |
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| yasufum | The decision of communy might be going to Option2. | 09:07 |
| takahashi-tsc | Yes, i think so. | 09:07 |
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| yasufum | Anyway, I would like to share our opinion is option1 on the community’s etherpad, if you still agree to option1 | 09:11 |
| yasufum | any comment? | 09:12 |
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| takahashi-tsc | Sure. Option1 is OK. | 09:12 |
| yasufum | Thanks | 09:12 |
| ueha | +1 | 09:12 |
| yasufum | If you don’t have any other topics, I would like to close this meeting. | 09:12 |
| takahashi-tsc | Not from my side | 09:13 |
| yasufum | OK | 09:13 |
| yasufum | Thanks for joining, bye! | 09:13 |
| takahashi-tsc | thanks bye | 09:13 |
| ueha | Thank you, bye | 09:14 |
| yasufum | #endmeeting | 09:14 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 25 09:14:05 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2021/tacker.2021-05-25-08.05.html | 09:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2021/tacker.2021-05-25-08.05.txt | 09:14 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2021/tacker.2021-05-25-08.05.log.html | 09:14 |
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| ricolin | Dear all, as we got nothing more to discuss for multi-arch SIG, we gonna skip second meeting today | 15:06 |
| ricolin | If you're looking for us, feel free to join #openstack-multi-arch channel | 15:06 |
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| martial | hello friends | 21:00 |
| julianp | Hi! | 21:00 |
| b1airo | #startmeeting Scientific-SIG | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 25 21:00:50 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is b1airo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Scientific-SIG)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 21:00 |
| martial | time for another exiting Scientific ... what Blair said :) | 21:00 |
| b1airo | morning | 21:00 |
| b1airo | i'm in a work call with Stig at the moment, so we'll be a bit tardy.. | 21:01 |
| martial | roger | 21:02 |
| martial | anything new for our HPC friends? | 21:02 |
| martial | I saw Belmiro during the last Open Infra Live | 21:02 |
| martial | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf5iFiCg_Tw | 21:02 |
| martial | the topic was very relevant to our crowd: " Upgrades in Large Scale OpenStack Infrastructure" | 21:03 |
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| b1airo | uh oh, time for a Zoom update | 21:07 |
| b1airo | #chair martial | 21:07 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial | 21:07 |
| martial | not sure if that is a good sign :) | 21:08 |
| b1airo | I haven't seen Belmiro's talk yet, but based on Tim's Twitter feed I have an idea of the content :-) | 21:08 |
| martial | ;) | 21:08 |
| martial | it was good, and the questions relevant | 21:09 |
| martial | anybody else had a chance to view it and/or had comments? | 21:09 |
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| oneswig | g'day | 21:10 |
| oneswig | b1airo: hey | 21:10 |
| b1airo | o/ | 21:11 |
| b1airo | deja vu :-) | 21:11 |
| martial | What is the status of our plan for ISC ? | 21:15 |
| oneswig | Hi martial, didn't spot you there. | 21:15 |
| oneswig | It's true, there's something going ahead. | 21:15 |
| martial | #chair oneswig | 21:16 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial oneswig | 21:16 |
| oneswig | I haven't checked what needs to be done but a ticket needs to be organised for one. | 21:16 |
| martial | I got the email a while back but no action since so unclear | 21:17 |
| oneswig | We had a really good panel of speakers involved too IIRC | 21:17 |
| oneswig | It's the fatigue with online conferences. | 21:17 |
| martial | same | 21:18 |
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| martial | welcome Tim | 21:19 |
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| oneswig | Been having fun with OVN recently | 21:20 |
| oneswig | in a "actually not fun" sense | 21:20 |
| * trandles reads "OVN" and starts twitching | 21:20 | |
| oneswig | Hardware offload of security groups. It's neat, but requires the latest Mellanox firmware. Too recent if you bought your NICs from an OEM | 21:22 |
| oneswig | There's a "seamless" trap to software if you can't offload the flow onto the NIC. RDMA even works - at a small number of gb/s | 21:24 |
| oneswig | OVS is like nft - one of those hard-to-learn things you only ever have to learn when something's broken. It doesn't set you up to want to explore it's many treasures. | 21:25 |
| oneswig | Or SELinux perhaps ;-) | 21:25 |
| martial | "treasures" indeed : | 21:27 |
| oneswig | Had another interesting issue today with Slurm automation - setup would mysteriously fail in the playbooks, but work if the steps were repeated manually. Turns out the systemd service for slurmctld in OpenHPC does not wait for the service to complete startup. If your config file takes 4s to read and process, other daemons would out-race it and barf on its absence. Gah. | 21:30 |
| oneswig | Easily fixed if you wait_for it to bind. | 21:31 |
| trandles | To be fair, my OVS+OVN+HA (no DVR) deploy of RHOSP went very smoothly and is working well. But it is a lot to grok if you've never dug into this stuff before. | 21:31 |
| trandles | I had never dug into it before. I was very happy it "just worked" because then I could start playing with things and watching the results to learn WTF is actually going on in there. | 21:32 |
| b1airo | sounds like systemd doing its job then oneswig :-o | 21:33 |
| oneswig | OVN does work and is simpler than the OVS Hybrid driver. It's just the contortions that optimisation puts us through. | 21:33 |
| trandles | A colleague once gave a summer intern the project to "serialize systemd services." /o\ | 21:34 |
| oneswig | trandles: if you're using it with Ironic you've probably had fun integrating VLANs, metadata and FIPs into OVN together. | 21:34 |
| trandles | oneswig: not doing that fortunately | 21:34 |
| oneswig | trandles: is the networking flat for your Ironic deploy? | 21:36 |
| trandles | yes | 21:36 |
| oneswig | certainly keeps things simple | 21:36 |
| b1airo | Ironically simple... | 21:37 |
| b1airo | martial: regarding ISC - yes, I received a note on that last week that I haven't processed yet. has been near the top of my todo list for last couple of weeks to contact the panel and try to get some conversation going and/or setup a pre-meeting ... | 21:39 |
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| oneswig | I think a pre-meeting is good, although likely hard to schedule. Even a group email thread would help | 21:41 |
| trandles | Ah, kkillsfirst is here. Welcome to the LANL summer intern who will be working on kexec in Ironic. | 21:41 |
| oneswig | Wow! Hi kkillsfirst, welcome | 21:41 |
| oneswig | Great project trandles | 21:41 |
| trandles | thx oneswig | 21:41 |
| oneswig | Will there be a public document at the end of the internship? | 21:42 |
| oneswig | How can it be summer already? It hasn't stopped raining for weeks. | 21:42 |
| kkillsfirst | Hello, Glad to be here helping. | 21:43 |
| trandles | I'm really hoping by the end of the summer the functionality is merged and documented. That's the goal at least. | 21:43 |
| oneswig | Good plan | 21:43 |
| trandles | Julia and her team are chomping at the bit to get Kam started. Probably next week after the obligatory week of LANL hazing. | 21:44 |
| trandles | I mean, training. | 21:44 |
| oneswig | I'm sure. | 21:45 |
| oneswig | How much deploy time do you think can be saved? | 21:46 |
| trandles | depends a lot on how long it takes to go back through the BIOS | 21:47 |
| trandles | I have some 2TB nodes that take nearly 20 minutes to start booting | 21:47 |
| oneswig | of course. A long and arduous journey | 21:47 |
| oneswig | ouch | 21:48 |
| trandles | It should be a lot of gain, even doing all the shutdown-style things you have to do before the kexec. Unmounting network filesystems, etc...you do that anyway. For the stateless HPC compute node case you don't really care to shut down many services gracefully. It'll be unmount, downlaod kernel+ramdisk, kexec-pivot_root and go. | 21:50 |
| oneswig | Do you think it could work with trusted boot? Perhaps a long shot. Not even sure why I'm asking | 21:51 |
| trandles | Haven't thought about that much... | 21:52 |
| trandles | It would definitely work the way we do things today. We've tested it manually just to see what happens. | 21:53 |
| oneswig | Way back in the day, I worked on a LinuxBIOS equivalent for AlphaServers, replacing the BIOS with an embedded Linux kernel. I was always deeply skeptical about chainloading kernels. I want to state for the record I was probably overly skeptical and wrong :-) Only took me 20 years. | 21:53 |
| julianp | :D Interesting. Ahead of your time. | 21:55 |
| trandles | I'm going to have to run...another meeting in 5 minutes. Anyway, kkillsfirst is also on the openstack-scientific-sig slack. | 21:55 |
| oneswig | Cool, see you around Kam! | 21:55 |
| trandles | Hopefully more updates to come during the summer :) | 21:55 |
| oneswig | In fact we are nearly out of time. | 21:56 |
| oneswig | b1airo: can you mail folks for the ISC BoF? That would be a great help | 21:57 |
| b1airo | yep absolutely - can do that todaay | 21:57 |
| oneswig | Thanks Blair | 21:58 |
| oneswig | I'm on vacation next week (woohoo), much though I enjoy yappin' on IRC it aint happening | 21:59 |
| trandles | Enjoy vacation oneswig | 21:59 |
| b1airo | i'm not jealous... | 21:59 |
| oneswig | Thanks trandles :-) | 21:59 |
| kkillsfirst | See you later everyone. I hope to get a tiny cluster working at home this week. :) | 22:00 |
| oneswig | b1airo: summer's on the way | 22:00 |
| julianp | Nice kkillsfirst. See y'all next time. | 22:00 |
| oneswig | kkillsfirst: nice to meet you. Good luck! | 22:00 |
| oneswig | martial: time to close | 22:00 |
| martial | yep | 22:00 |
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| martial | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 25 22:00:57 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2021/scientific_sig.2021-05-25-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2021/scientific_sig.2021-05-25-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2021/scientific_sig.2021-05-25-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
| martial | thanks for coming | 22:01 |
| oneswig | Thanks all | 22:01 |
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