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| timburke | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 12 21:00:30 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is timburke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| timburke | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
| kota_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
| seongsoocho | o/ | 21:01 |
| acoles | o/ | 21:02 |
| timburke | as usual, the agenda's at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| timburke | though i only just updated it ;-) | 21:02 |
| timburke | #topic Python 3.10 beta | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Python 3.10 beta (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:03 | |
| timburke | i just wanted to call attention to this -- it seems like there may be some work to get tests running under py310, and i don't really want it to be a fire-drill come october | 21:04 |
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| timburke | i've started playing around with it. eventlet's not working yet, nose is busted (and at this point, unlikely to be fixed) | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | good thinking. might need to see if I can create a venv of it. | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | oh wow | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | awesome | 21:05 |
| timburke | python-swiftclient's fine, though -- as long as you've got some other test runner | 21:06 |
| timburke | good news is that distros seemed to be pretty quick on the packaging front; i got it fine on fedora and ubuntu (via deadsnakes ppa, looks like) | 21:06 |
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| timburke | pyeclib needed an update, but it was tame enough that i went ahead and merged it when i confirmed the gate was happy with it | 21:07 |
| timburke | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/pyeclib/+/790537 - Use Py_ssize_t when calling PyArg_Parse | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | if we wont be able to use nose anymore, whats the alternative.. will be need to migrate to something like pytest.. or wait and hope someone fixes nose. or is {o,s}testr still a supported thing? | 21:09 |
| timburke | stestr seems to still be the "preferred" way in openstack, as best i can tell. it *also* doesn't work with py310 right now, though -- but i think the next testtools release should fix it | 21:10 |
| timburke | personally, i kinda like pytest -- and it's working *today* | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | kk | 21:10 |
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| tosky | stestr is definitely alive (ostestr is totally deprecated and not used anymore) | 21:11 |
| timburke | tl;dr: py310 is coming, and it's likely going to require some changes which we should be on the lookout for. if anyone's interested in staying on the bleeding edge, try it out and see what's broken ;-) | 21:11 |
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| timburke | any questions or comments? | 21:12 |
| acoles | timburke: thanks for the headsup | 21:12 |
| mattoliverau | tosky: thanks! | 21:12 |
| timburke | all right, on to updates! | 21:13 |
| timburke | #topic sharding | 21:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sharding (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:13 | |
| timburke | so we've merged the tombstone counting | 21:14 |
| timburke | what are the next steps? acoles, mattoliverau | 21:14 |
| acoles | one last known piece of the shrinking jigsaw is getting a better handle on a shard being sharded enough before shrinking, which mattoliverau has been working on | 21:15 |
| mattoliverau | I've been playing more with the extra ACTIVE steps based on discussions from PTG. | 21:16 |
| mattoliverau | the chain starts at https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/swift/+/789471 | 21:16 |
| acoles | I'm hopeful that the latest idea of looking at rows cleaved will work out | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | it starts with adding rows_cleaved to the CleaveContexts so we can tell if a context is a smaller or larger | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, thanks acoles me too :) | 21:18 |
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| mattoliverau | I've attempting to see if adding an extra CLEAVED state will help with the edge case where fast cleaving shards become CLEAVED and therefore responsible for listings | 21:18 |
| mattoliverau | producing holes until others shard. | 21:19 |
| mattoliverau | it's the last in the chain.. and it's still very much a WIP and still trying it out. | 21:19 |
| timburke | sounds good | 21:20 |
| mattoliverau | I also noticed acoles rebase a bunch of follow up sharding patches based around unification of the sharder and s-m-s-r tool | 21:20 |
| acoles | I have a couple of patches around sharder config, first is to share config loading between sharder and s-m-s-r | 21:20 |
| mattoliverau | so I want to take a look at those | 21:21 |
| acoles | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/swift/+/778989 | 21:21 |
| mattoliverau | lol, same wave length :) | 21:21 |
| acoles | and based on that, a proposal to add absolute config values for shrink threshold etc https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/swift/+/778990 | 21:21 |
| timburke | yeah, that seems like it ought to reduce confusion for ops -- good plan | 21:22 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:22 |
| acoles | the percent based config is convenient but I am concerned that it is harder to explain to ops the consequences of config changes that have knock-on effects | 21:22 |
| timburke | next up | 21:23 |
| timburke | #topic relinker | 21:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "relinker (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:23 | |
| acoles | it keeps getting better! | 21:23 |
| timburke | i put up a change to clean up replication locks, which were preventing the old parts from getting cleaned up properly for EC policies | 21:24 |
| timburke | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/swift/+/790305 | 21:24 |
| timburke | and while investigating that, i realized there was a bug that would let two different processes hold partition locks if we're also trying to delete those lock files | 21:25 |
| timburke | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/swift/+/791022 | 21:25 |
| acoles | were we already deleting locks ? or is this a future-bug-waiting-to-happen? | 21:26 |
| acoles | I guess we already are in relinker cleanup? | 21:27 |
| acoles | its just the replication locks that we're adding | 21:27 |
| acoles | but, any other places locks get deleted? | 21:27 |
| timburke | we're already deleting locks -- but just during relinking | 21:28 |
| acoles | ok | 21:28 |
| timburke | after that, i think i'd prioritize https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/swift/+/788413 - relinker: Log and recon on SIGTERM signal | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | replication "should" be on hold on the policy that's being increased.. so it shouldn't be taking locks? | 21:31 |
| acoles | oh yeah, mattoliverau 's relinker recon patch merged which is really useful :) | 21:31 |
| timburke | the partition lock is still taken during object writes, so we can update hashes.invalid | 21:32 |
| mattoliverau | that ended up being more patchsets then I expected :P | 21:32 |
| acoles | hehe | 21:32 |
| timburke | i'm not as worried about the replication lock (for the reason mattoliverau pointed out), but i updated the cleanup patch to take that lock before deleting it as well | 21:33 |
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| acoles | mattoliverau: replication locks may not be beng taken but the lock files were preventing the partition rmdir | 21:33 |
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| timburke | next up | 21:34 |
| timburke | #topic stale EC frags | 21:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stale EC frags (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:34 | |
| timburke | we landed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/swift/+/788833 - Quarantine stale EC fragments after checking handoffs | 21:34 |
| timburke | did we have any noteworthy follow-ups that shook out of that? | 21:34 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ nice one acoles | 21:35 |
| zaitcev | I'm curious too. | 21:35 |
| acoles | I don't recall any follow up patches | 21:35 |
| acoles | ah, did someone take a crack at the TODO re. finding the actual wanted frag? | 21:36 |
| acoles | but that's more another topic than follow up | 21:36 |
| timburke | oh yeah, mattoliverau did https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/swift/+/790374 - WIP: Single frag iter hack | 21:37 |
| timburke | looked fairly sane, and not as much code as i'd feared | 21:37 |
| mattoliverau | not really related to stale EC frags, but I have been nerd sniped and playing with trying to use a fragment if we find it (ie duplication) and has lead to adding tracking to last primaries in the ring so rebalances in the reconstructor could be faster because we'd actually check the old primary for the fragment. | 21:37 |
| mattoliverau | ring last primary tracking: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/swift/+/790550 | 21:38 |
| acoles | we'll be trying out the stale EC frag quarantine this week and hoping to see a bunch of lonely old frags (and annoying error logs) disappear | 21:38 |
| timburke | and that previous-primary tracking seems likely to be useful in other contexts | 21:39 |
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| timburke | be able to have single-replica policies where a rebalance doesn't automatically ensure availability issues ;-) | 21:40 |
| timburke | all right; next up | 21:40 |
| timburke | #topic dark data watcher | 21:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dark data watcher (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:40 | |
| timburke | i've still not gotten around to looking at this problem yet. but i wanted to keep the topic as a reminder that i should | 21:41 |
| zaitcev | Well, we have 2 problems, AFAIK. | 21:42 |
| timburke | true | 21:42 |
| zaitcev | #1 is incompatibility with the sharded containers, which you tackled and then Alistair didn't like, and I don't understand what exactly he didn't like. | 21:42 |
| zaitcev | #2 is conflict with async pendings and that one I am fixing | 21:43 |
| zaitcev | Or, fixed. But I broke probe tests, so I tried to run baseline tests, and it turned out that they no longer work for me. | 21:43 |
| zaitcev | I dealt with that just today, and I'm getting to fixing up the tests. | 21:43 |
| zaitcev | Oh, and thanks for landing my antisudo thing | 21:44 |
| timburke | cool! there was more progress on this than i'd thought :D | 21:44 |
| timburke | thanks zaitcev | 21:44 |
| zaitcev | BTW. In a couple of places we're running swift-manage-shard-ranges, which turned out to be impossible anymore for me, because I do not run an installed cluster. My code is in git repo, it's not in /usr/local. I use PYTHONPATH to make it work. | 21:45 |
| zaitcev | I scratched my head a little and threw a stub into ~/bin, moved on with my life. | 21:45 |
| zaitcev | I have a feeling you guys always run probe tests in some kind of VM or at least a container anymore. | 21:46 |
| zaitcev | Maybe I should do it too. | 21:46 |
| zaitcev | That's it, thanks for listening. | 21:46 |
| mattoliverau | yeah I run it in an saio which installs swift (pip install -e .).. so maybe that's why I've never had the problem | 21:47 |
| acoles | zaitcev: I have always run probe tests in a VM, these days using vagrant-SAIO | 21:47 |
| timburke | all right | 21:47 |
| zaitcev | Makes sense, thanks guys | 21:47 |
| timburke | #topic open discussion | 21:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:47 | |
| timburke | anything else we should bring up this week? | 21:47 |
| zaitcev | Well | 21:48 |
| zaitcev | Have anyone heard of Minio? | 21:48 |
| timburke | heard of it, though i haven't played with it | 21:48 |
| zaitcev | A friend of mine wanted an S3, but he installed that thing instead of Swift. Me sad. | 21:48 |
| zaitcev | Apparently it's way easier to install in modern servers, it comes as a ready-to-go docker image. | 21:49 |
| zaitcev | It may not be something NVIDIA cares about, but I think we ought to think about some kind of canned single-node. | 21:49 |
| zaitcev | Better than SAIO | 21:49 |
| zaitcev | BTW, I made a post https://zaitcev.livejournal.com/262542.html | 21:50 |
| zaitcev | Then, a(nother) friend of mine wrote me and wagged his finger how NVIDIA is uppercase now tsk tsk. | 21:51 |
| zaitcev | I had to change all references. | 21:51 |
| zaitcev | So, anyway, do we have some kind of ready-made Dockerfile? I would not be surprised if it's in the tree already, I'm just not aware. | 21:52 |
| acoles | we do but I have never looked at it until right now ! | 21:52 |
| timburke | yeah, we should -- https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/Dockerfile and https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/Dockerfile-py3 | 21:53 |
| acoles | tdasilva gets the blame :D | 21:54 |
| timburke | iirc it was useful as a test target for 1space | 21:55 |
| mattoliverau | dont we have https://hub.docker.com/repository/docker/openstackswift/saio | 21:55 |
| mattoliverau | that's being build by zuul | 21:55 |
| mattoliverau | *built | 21:55 |
| mattoliverau | tdasilva: did that, he's pretty awesome | 21:56 |
| timburke | yup! again, not something i've really played with, though :-( | 21:56 |
| timburke | i keep meaning to | 21:56 |
| timburke | all right -- i'm gonna call it | 21:58 |
| timburke | thank you all for coming, and thank you for working on swift! | 21:58 |
| timburke | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 21:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 12 21:58:30 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2021/swift.2021-05-12-21.00.html | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2021/swift.2021-05-12-21.00.txt | 21:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2021/swift.2021-05-12-21.00.log.html | 21:58 |
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