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carlotronics_#startmeeting neutron_drivers13:47
openstackMeeting started Fri Mar 12 13:47:24 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is carlotronics_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:47
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slaweq#startmeeting neutron_drivers14:01
openstackMeeting started Fri Mar 12 14:01:07 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
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slaweqhi14:01
mlavalleo/14:01
amotokihi14:01
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haleybhi14:02
slaweqlets wait few more minutes for ralonsoh, haleyb, njohnston and yamamoto14:02
ralonsohhi sorry14:02
carlotronics_hi14:02
* haleyb must be invisible :)14:02
slaweqhaleyb: I see You, hi14:02
slaweqI just hit enter almost in same time when You said hi :)14:03
slaweqnate and yamamoto don't seems to be available so I think we can start14:03
slaweq#topic RFEs14:03
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slaweqwe have 2 rfes to discuss today14:04
slaweqfirst one can be https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/191842414:04
openstackLaunchpad bug 1918424 in neutron "[RFE] RFC 2317 support in Neutron with designate provider" [Wishlist,New]14:04
slaweqas carlotronics_ is here14:04
slaweqboth of them aren't really triaged and maybe we will simply have more questions to ask therte14:05
slaweq*there14:05
slaweqbut I wasn't able to triage it on my own as I'm not expert on dns stuff14:05
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slaweqso sorry, if RFEs aren't really ready but I was hoping to triage them together maybe14:05
slaweq:)14:05
mlavallenot a problem14:06
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ralonsohcan we have any class with dns_domain extension? just asking, I really need to check the code14:10
ralonsohclash*14:10
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mlavalleI don't think we would14:11
mlavalleI think he poses a valid use case. I have two questions, though:14:12
slaweqthis would probably be new dns extension, maybe something what would even extend existing one14:12
mlavalle1) We should preserve current behaviour. In other words, deployers using dns integration as it is today shouldn't be required to do any additional configuration14:13
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mlavalle2) How common is this use case?14:13
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amotokiI have an experience with this use case (in non-OpenStack deploymets).14:14
amotokiIn my understanding, It is needed when an operator would like to delegate address management to a use AND they also would like to delegate PTR management to a user.14:14
amotokiIf an operator manages /24 PTR (for example) it is not needed.14:15
carlotronics_regarding 1), the proposals would not introduce any change in current configuration, only the ability to precise the zone name14:15
mlavallewell, he states that PTR zone creation should be controlled by admins14:15
rissoncreation of those zones by an admin doesn't mean you can't delegate creation of records in them by users14:16
mlavalleagree14:16
amotokirisson: right. it is my understanding14:16
mlavallerisson: agree14:17
rissonfor the use case, our provider only delegates us a /25, so we currently need to set the PTR records manually14:17
mlavalleand that's a problem. I can see that14:18
MareoAfaik the Wikimedia fondation used to maintain a set of scripts to handle ptr record creation in a similar situation14:18
Mareo(on their OpenStack clusters)14:19
mlavalleMareo: would it be a better dns / neutron integration if we implemented this proposal or something based on it?14:22
slaweqone question, in rfe You mentioned something like "When absent, the old behavior of `ipv4_ptr_zone_prefix_size` or `ipv6_ptr_zone_prefix_size` is kept."14:24
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mlavallecarlotronics_: do you have a sense of what might be the answer to question 2. Given Mareo 's comment, it may be somewhat common14:24
slaweqshouldn't we maybe consider deprecation of those old options in the future?14:24
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slaweqif we will implement the new one14:24
slaweq?14:24
Mareothe old mecanism shoult not be deprecated imo, because it allow a form of implicit configuration. The new one is introduced to handle a specific use-case and it is more likelly to be set by IP Pool rather than globally on the cluster14:25
slaweqk, got it14:26
slaweqthx14:26
carlotronics_slaweq: I think they are complementary14:26
mlavalleyeah, that was my pioint in my comment number 1 above14:26
amotokii have another question: if we support this proposal, do we need some change in designate side or does designate already support this?14:27
slaweqamotoki: yesterday I asked johnsom to take a look at it from the designate PoV14:27
mlavalleamotoki: good question. I was going to ask it earlier and got derailed14:27
carlotronics_no change absolutely needed, but one that would help: adding '/' in dns zone regex14:27
slaweqI hope he will help us with it :)14:27
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amotokicarlotronics_: nice. it would be nice to mention it in the RFE.14:28
mlavallewhen I originally implemented dns integration, I always kep the Designate team involved. In fact, I attended their weekly meeting14:28
Mareoyes the rfc suggest the use of '/' in the zone names, and the RE_ZONENAME variable in designate restrict the character set that can be used14:28
Mareowe plan to submit a proposal to designate if this one is accepted14:28
MareoIt already have been requested, but it didn't go anywhere (no formal refusal, but not approval neither)14:29
mlavalleI see this proposal as a natural evolution of dns integration as it gets used in real situations. I say +1 to move ahead to a spec14:30
ralonsoh+1 to this RFE14:31
slaweqso, as ralonsoh already started :) are we ready to vote for this rfe, or do we want some more details to ask and get back to it next week maybe?14:32
slaweqor maybe You have more questions now14:32
mlavalleI already voted ^^^14:32
slaweqtrue mlavalle  :)14:32
slaweqso +1 from me too14:33
slaweqamotoki, haleyb14:33
Mareoif this was not perfectly clear already, carlotronics_ is willing to submit a patch for this proposal14:33
carlotronics_one precision, I am willing to code this proposition14:33
carlotronics_thanks Mareo14:33
amotokiIt sounds reaosnable to me. only question is whether we wait feedbacks from designate side like johnsom.14:33
slaweqthat is great, thx carlotronics_ :)14:33
haleybslaweq: i was going to mention making sure johnsom is aware as well, but fine with rfe14:34
slaweqso, lets assume we are ok with it but I will not mark it as approved until we will have some feedback from johnsom14:34
slaweqand if he will be ok, I will mark it as approved14:34
slaweqis that ok for You?14:34
amotoki+114:35
mlavalle+114:35
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Mareo(to add a little bit of context, carlotronics_ is a student I supervize and he chose this RFE as a semester assignement, freely I swear!)14:35
mlavallecarlotronics_: where are you going to school? What degree are your working towards?14:36
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slaweqnice14:36
amotokiMareo: carlotronics_: really nice.14:36
slaweqI like school with such semester tasks :)14:36
slaweqI wish I had similar when I was at school14:36
carlotronics_mlavalle: EPITA, which is an engineering school in France14:37
mlavallecarlotronics_: cool. We'll try to help you. Are there any timing constraints as far as finishing the project from the school point of view?14:37
Mareoideally it should be over before the end of june, but I can grade an incomplete project, so no pressure14:38
carlotronics_I am quite free on timing; I should have until June to finish it, which should be ok14:38
mlavalleMareo, carlotronics_: This is really cool. Thanks for the proposal14:39
slaweqcarlotronics_: that should be totally fine :)14:39
slaweqok, I think we can move on to the second RFE now14:40
slaweqhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/190455914:40
openstackLaunchpad bug 1904559 in neutron "Designate driver: allow_reverse_dns_lookup doesn't works if dns_domain zone wasn't created" [Wishlist,New]14:40
slaweqalso related to the PTR records and designate integration14:40
mlavallethis one proposes to implement exactly what carlotronics_ and Mareo warned us against in their RFE14:42
mlavallein terms of security considerations14:43
ralonsohexactly and Jens' comment c#4 makes sense14:43
slaweqtrue14:43
mlavallein fact, when I originally implemented dns integration I was loudly reminded by mugsie not to do it14:43
amotokimlavalle: but the RFE does not mention anything about classless PTR thing. I am not sure both are totally same.14:44
mlavalleamotoki: I'm not saying they are the same14:44
amotokimlavalle: ah. it is just one case.14:44
mlavalleI was just pointing to the security warning against letting user create ptr zones14:44
amotokigot it14:45
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mlavalleimo, the next step is to have johnsonm look at it and see what he thinks. It is really something the DNS experts don't want us to do14:46
mlavalleit's not that we cannot do it14:46
mlavallein fact, at some point during the original implementation, I was doing it14:46
mugsiefwiw, designate already allows this weith the reverse DNS api14:46
mugsiewith*14:47
mugsieso I don't think there would be a  huge issue with doing it automatically14:47
mugsie(there is an API to set the PTR for any floating IP a project owns, without requiring that DNS Zone be hosted in Designate at all)14:48
mlavallemugsie: so why didn't we do it originally?14:48
mugsieI am not sure - I think there was some timing issues?14:48
mugsiehttps://docs.openstack.org/api-ref/dns/?expanded=set-floatingip-s-ptr-record-detail,list-floatingip-s-ptr-record-detail#floatingips is the API14:49
mlavallemaybe this specific api didn't exist at the time14:49
mugsieyeah, I think we were planning this when you were writing the integration, and we didn't want to hold up the integration for another cycle14:50
mlavallemugsie: thanks for jumping in !14:50
mugsienp14:50
mlavalleI propose having johnosonm take a look at it and go from there14:51
slaweqok, I can ask johnsom to take a look at it too14:51
slaweqand we can get back to this next week14:52
slaweqis that ok for all of You?14:52
mlavalle+114:52
amotokisounds good14:52
ralonsohok14:52
slaweqthx14:53
amotokimy question was already covered by the above discussion and it was more than what I expected :)14:53
slaweqI have one more heads up for You14:53
slaweqlbragstad recently found bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1918506 in Neutron14:54
openstackLaunchpad bug 1918506 in neutron "Neutron doesn't honor system-scope" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq)14:54
slaweqI proposed fix for it https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/191850614:54
slaweqbut it is in neutron-lib and needs to bumps few requirements14:54
slaweqwe are already after final release of the libs for Wallaby14:54
slaweqbut IMHO would be good to get this one in still14:54
ralonsohyes but this is a bug in W14:55
ralonsohwe need to get it in this cycle14:55
mlavalleyeah, otherwise we don't meet the community gosal14:55
mlavallegoal14:55
slaweqso I wanted to ask all of You to check that ASAP so we can eventualy as for exception14:55
ralonsohyes, should be14:55
slaweqmlavalle: it's not community goal strictly but yes, many projects are implementing that this cycle14:55
amotokipresicely speaking, secure RBAC is not the community gaol though :p14:55
ralonsohit is not?14:56
slaweqnope14:56
ralonsohok, thanks!14:56
slaweqit is very important rfe for Red Hat for next OSP version :)14:56
mlavallestill, we want to finish it, don't we?14:56
slaweqmlavalle: yes14:56
slaweqwe did a lot of work already14:56
amotokieven if we have a new release of neutron-lib, it just only affects neutron and other projects still can use the current release of neutron-lib.14:56
slaweqand TBH requirements bumps are just to make them equal with neutron14:56
amotokiso the impact of neutron-lib bump would be smaller.14:57
ralonsohagree14:57
slaweqso in fact when neutron-lib is installed with neutron we already use those new versions14:57
slaweqanyway, just a heads up and ask for quick review :)14:57
slaweqit has -1 from zuul now but last PS already passed most of the jobs (lower-constraints for example)14:58
slaweqso seems to be good now :)14:58
slaweqok, we are almost on top of the hour14:58
slaweqthx for attending the meeting14:58
ralonsohhave a nice weekend14:58
slaweqand have a great weekend :)14:58
amotokiyou too all. thanks!14:58
slaweqo/14:58
slaweq#endmeeting14:59
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Mareoo/14:59
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mlavallecarlotronics_, Mareo: is this your institution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_pour_l'informatique_et_les_techniques_avanc%C3%A9es15:02
MareoYes, it is!15:02
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Mareocarlotronics_ is a third year student (the curiculum is five years long), he is part of small team of students focusing on Ops with me (I am the school sysadmin)15:04
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mlavalleMareo, carlotronics_: Grande École... I'm impressed :-)15:10
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MareoYou shouldn't be, this is not one of the "elitist" ones, so we have pretty regular students (but a fair share is really involved in what they do, such as risson or carlotronics)15:34
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