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| slaweq | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jan 29 14:01:05 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| slaweq | hi | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:01 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:01 |
| amotoki | hi | 14:01 |
| ralonsoh | hi | 14:01 |
| bpetermann | hi | 14:02 |
| slaweq | lets wait few more minutes for haleyb and njohnston | 14:02 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:02 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:03 |
| slaweq | ok, all are here | 14:03 |
| slaweq | so we can start | 14:03 |
| slaweq | #topic RFEs | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:03 | |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1912460 | 14:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1912460 in neutron "[RFE] [QoS] add qos rule type packet per second (pps)" [Wishlist,New] | 14:03 |
| slaweq | ralonsoh: You were triaging this LP mostly :) | 14:05 |
| ralonsoh | I don't think Liu is here | 14:05 |
| ralonsoh | ok, in a nutshell | 14:05 |
| ralonsoh | I agree with the idea of this new rule because can be supported directly by some backends | 14:05 |
| ralonsoh | and about if adding this as a new parameter in the BW limit rule or create a new one | 14:06 |
| ralonsoh | I prefer to add a new one and discriminate by backend, as the other ones | 14:06 |
| ralonsoh | so +1 from me to this RFE | 14:06 |
| slaweq | personally I think it may be very useful in some use cases to have such new QoS rule type | 14:07 |
| slaweq | and I agree that this can be new rule type | 14:08 |
| amotoki | I prefer to add a new rule rather tahn a new param in the bw rule as bw usually assocaite bps in the networking world. | 14:08 |
| ralonsoh | agree | 14:08 |
| slaweq | yep, and also adding too many parameters to same rule type would made it "overloaded" IMO | 14:09 |
| amotoki | slaweq: +1 | 14:10 |
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| yamamoto | +1 for a new rule type | 14:12 |
| mlavalle | I agree with Yulong that we shouldn't mix pps with bandwidth with that approach, +1 from me | 14:12 |
| haleyb | +1 for new rule | 14:12 |
| slaweq | njohnston: are You ok with this too? | 14:13 |
| slaweq | if so, I will mark it as approved | 14:13 |
| njohnston | yes I am, ralonsoh is very persuasive :-) | 14:13 |
| slaweq | :) | 14:14 |
| slaweq | ok, so rfe approved | 14:14 |
| slaweq | thx | 14:14 |
| slaweq | that was the only one for today | 14:14 |
| slaweq | but I have another topics | 14:14 |
| slaweq | #topic On demand | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "On demand (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:14 | |
| slaweq | first one from bpetermann | 14:14 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1905391 | 14:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1905391 in neutron "[RFE] VPNaaS support for OVN" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Bodo Petermann (bpetermann) | 14:14 |
| bpetermann | Thanks. We had this RFE in December. I wanted to ask if the spec is generally fine | 14:15 |
| bpetermann | or if there is anything major that needs to be changed | 14:15 |
| amotoki | I failed to find time to review the latest spec, but when I commented in the spec review it was generally good and I see no blocking issue. | 14:16 |
| bpetermann | slaweq, you asked about rabbitmq. rabbit was used by the existing VPNaaS implementation to sync the config. Is it ok to keep using rabbit? | 14:17 |
| slaweq | bpetermann: I know it was but my concern is that one of the biggest advantages of using ovn is that we don't need rabbitmq anymore | 14:18 |
| slaweq | I'm not against if there is no other (simple) way | 14:18 |
| slaweq | just wanted to raise this concern there | 14:18 |
| amotoki | i think it is okay to use rabbitmq as the proposed agent is implemented in the neutron side rather than the ovs/ovn side. of course it would be nice if we can support it without rabbitmq. | 14:19 |
| bpetermann | ok, because for now I don't know a good way to get the config across without rabbit | 14:19 |
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| amotoki | any discssion on VPN support in the OVN side? > OVN folks | 14:20 |
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| slaweq | bpetermann: maybe You can talk with jlibosva or lucasgomes as they are our ovn experts | 14:20 |
| slaweq | or ralonsoh :) | 14:20 |
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| ralonsoh | (I didn't review the spec or the patch) | 14:21 |
| slaweq | as currently we have ovn-metadata agent and it works somehow and e.g. sends heartbeats to the server | 14:21 |
| yamamoto | midonet vpn is implemented without rabbitmq. i dunno if you consider it "simple" though. | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | don't we habe LB for OVN? | 14:22 |
| bpetermann | midonet uses zookeeper for the configuration, right? | 14:22 |
| yamamoto | bpetermann: yes | 14:22 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: we have ovn-octiavia provider | 14:22 |
| slaweq | bpetermann: so my suggestion is to explore other alternatives at least | 14:22 |
| slaweq | and maybe mention them in spec as potential solutions, or maybe next steps | 14:23 |
| slaweq | wdyt? | 14:23 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: we have a provider driver for octavia, but it lives in their framework | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | slaweq, bpetermann, haleyb: but still, they solve this problem somehow, right? | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | maybe we should take a look at how they do it | 14:24 |
| mlavalle | and yes, let's avoid using rabbitmq if we can. It defeats the purpose of the whole OVN adoption | 14:25 |
| haleyb | right, there's no rabbit in octavia | 14:26 |
| bpetermann | the agent could look into the neutron database instead of using RPCs to get the necessary parameters. For other ways I'd need to do more research | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | let's do some research, I'd say | 14:26 |
| slaweq | bpetermann: no, please don't make agent with access to db directly | 14:26 |
| bpetermann | ok | 14:26 |
| slaweq | I don't think it's good idea | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | yes, don't have the agent look at the db directly | 14:27 |
| bpetermann | I will then look into alternatives to rabbit in the next days | 14:28 |
| amotoki | I agree we need more research without rabbitmq but it depends on how OVN itself support VPN. If we need more work in the neutron layer the current approach sounds good to me. | 14:29 |
| amotoki | this is my current impression so far. | 14:29 |
| slaweq | amotoki++ | 14:29 |
| slaweq | bpetermann: is that enough info for You for now? or do You want to discuss something else? | 14:31 |
| bpetermann | that's all. I think the question on using rabbit or not was the most important one. | 14:32 |
| slaweq | ok | 14:32 |
| slaweq | so please update spec and we can continue review of it | 14:32 |
| bpetermann | will do | 14:33 |
| slaweq | thx bpetermann | 14:33 |
| slaweq | so, one last topic for today | 14:33 |
| mlavalle | thanks bpetermann | 14:33 |
| slaweq | this one from me | 14:33 |
| slaweq | some time ago gmann sent email about tag 'assert:supports-api-interoperability' | 14:33 |
| slaweq | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-December/019505.html | 14:33 |
| slaweq | I was reading related docs recently | 14:33 |
| slaweq | and for me it sounds like Neutron can apply for such tag | 14:34 |
| slaweq | I wanted to ask You wdyt about it | 14:34 |
| slaweq | is it ok, is it worth to do or not in Your opinion? | 14:34 |
| ralonsoh | I think we follow the 3 requirements | 14:34 |
| njohnston | Given that we have some users using Train Octavia on Queens Neutron I think we have a very good case that we deserve this tag | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | yeah, let's go for it. It doesn't buy us anything.... but it is certainly valuable information and an important commitment to our users | 14:37 |
| cgoncalves | wasn't there an API breakage in Neutron to fix some IPV6 issue? | 14:37 |
| amotoki | I generally think we can go for it. I wonder what are the requirements for projects without microversions (like keystoen and neutron). | 14:38 |
| ralonsoh | cgoncalves, you mean in the DHCP agent? | 14:38 |
| cgoncalves | ralonsoh, I'm not sure of the details. I think haleyb knows best as he authored that patch...? | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | amotoki: "The projects API uses a versioning scheme (like microversions) or a discoverablity mechanism" | 14:38 |
| haleyb | i think it had to do with icmpv6 | 14:38 |
| haleyb | under the covers we change the name, so what goes in comes out different | 14:39 |
| haleyb | if my memory serves me right | 14:39 |
| amotoki | mlavalle: thanks. good point. we provide a good discoverability mechanism :) | 14:39 |
| slaweq | amotoki: I think that our extensions are discoverability mechanism already | 14:39 |
| slaweq | haleyb: cgoncalves but was this change breaking exiting users in any way? | 14:40 |
| haleyb | i'm thinking octavia noticed :D | 14:41 |
| cgoncalves | slaweq, does it matter if someone hit such breakage? | 14:41 |
| slaweq | cgoncalves: my question was more about "was this really breaking change"? IIRC we are still accepting old values, but I may be wrong so please correct me | 14:42 |
| haleyb | well, we make mistakes and won't do it again, don't think that we should ask for this tag for that, the API in question still accepts all the old values on POST/PUT | 14:42 |
| amotoki | we cannot be perfect but I believe we honor the API compatibility and we are doing our best to follow it, so I think we can go for it. | 14:42 |
| haleyb | s/ask/not ask | 14:43 |
| mlavalle | yes, go for it | 14:43 |
| slaweq | ok, thx for You opinions, I will apply for this tag for Neutron then | 14:44 |
| slaweq | that's all what I had for today | 14:45 |
| slaweq | do You want to discuss anything else? | 14:45 |
| slaweq | if not I will give You 15 minutes back | 14:45 |
| mlavalle | not me | 14:45 |
| ralonsoh | no thanks | 14:45 |
| amotoki | none from me | 14:45 |
| yamamoto | nothing | 14:45 |
| haleyb | -1 | 14:45 |
| slaweq | ok, so thx for attending the meeting and have a great weekend | 14:46 |
| slaweq | #endmeeting | 14:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:46 | |
| slaweq | o/ | 14:46 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jan 29 14:46:13 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2021/neutron_drivers.2021-01-29-14.01.html | 14:46 |
| yamamoto | good night | 14:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2021/neutron_drivers.2021-01-29-14.01.txt | 14:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2021/neutron_drivers.2021-01-29-14.01.log.html | 14:46 |
| ralonsoh | bye | 14:46 |
| bpetermann | bye | 14:46 |
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