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| yasufum | Hi, tacker team | 08:00 |
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| keiko-k | hello | 08:01 |
| ueha | Hi | 08:01 |
| takahashi-tsc | hi | 08:01 |
| manpreet | hi | 08:01 |
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| Liang | hi | 08:02 |
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| masazumi-ota | Hi | 08:02 |
| yasufum | #startmeeting tacker | 08:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 8 08:04:15 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yasufum. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 08:04 |
| yasufum | I think we have three topics today. Please suggest if you have other ones. | 08:06 |
| yasufum | spec review, recent failures on gerrit and “tosca-parser and heat-translator” | 08:06 |
| takahashi-tsc | I have two topics, about heat-translator/tosca-parser(sorry for not sending email...) and report about discussion with TST. | 08:07 |
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| yasufum | OK | 08:08 |
| yasufum | I would like to start from first topic because it is short. | 08:10 |
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| yasufum | Just asking for reviewing. | 08:10 |
| yasufum | We have several specs waiting to be merged. I have already +2 for specs looking OK. | 08:11 |
| yasufum | Could you also review the specs if there is no problem. | 08:11 |
| yasufum | If no comments for the topic, I would like to go to the next one. | 08:12 |
| yoshito-ito | Thanks yasufum, I have 6 specs remained. 5 of 6 got +2 from you, and I hope other members to check them, too. | 08:13 |
| takahashi-tsc | I'll check them in this week, sorry for late. | 08:13 |
| yasufum | Thanks | 08:13 |
| yoshito-ito | Great, thanks. | 08:13 |
| keiko-k | Thanks. | 08:14 |
| yasufum | #topic failure-in-lower-constraints | 08:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "failure-in-lower-constraints (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:14 | |
| yasufum | My second topic is for a failure have happend since yesterday. | 08:14 |
| yasufum | some imcompatibility in lower-constraints.txt | 08:15 |
| yasufum | I have tried to fix the failure, but still need more time. | 08:16 |
| yasufum | I think it might be caused by a recent updates of depending packages. | 08:16 |
| takahashi-tsc | Could you access gerrit web now? I cannot access... | 08:17 |
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| yoshito-ito | Oh, it seems down. I succcessfully accessed it just a few minutes! | 08:18 |
| manpreet | yes it was working earlier...seems down now | 08:18 |
| yasufum | For now, I have found that two packages, but could be more possibly... | 08:18 |
| yasufum | Oops… anyway, I would like to fix the problem as soon as possible. | 08:19 |
| takahashi-tsc | Thanks, I also check it. | 08:20 |
| yasufum | Please wait for your patches until it is fixed. Thanks. | 08:20 |
| yasufum | OK. It seems we can go to my third topic, and it must be the same as takahashi-tsc. | 08:21 |
| yasufum | #topic tosca-parser-heat-translator | 08:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "tosca-parser-heat-translator (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:22 | |
| yasufum | I think we are ready to talk with the teams because there are enough people for contributing as cores. | 08:23 |
| yasufum | Thanks for listing your name on etherpad. | 08:24 |
| yasufum | takahashi-tsc: What do you think? | 08:24 |
| takahashi-tsc | First, I forget to send email to ML about making 2 teams for 2 projects(heat-translator and torca-parser). I'll send it today. | 08:25 |
| takahashi-tsc | And I have 1 concerns, now almost members write their name in both 2 projects. Of course I'd like to do both activities, but I think we should decide *main* a projects. | 08:27 |
| yasufum | I think so | 08:27 |
| takahashi-tsc | Anyway, I send email to Bob that we are ready to join 2 projects. Would you decide your own main project? | 08:29 |
| yasufum | For me, either is fine actually, but I will do that. | 08:30 |
| takahashi-tsc | That's all from me about this topic. | 08:31 |
| yasufum | Liang: what do you think? | 08:32 |
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| yasufum | It seems he is leaving … ? | 08:36 |
| yasufum | If no more comments, go to the next topic. | 08:36 |
| yasufum | #topic discussion-tst | 08:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "discussion-tst (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:36 | |
| takahashi-tsc | It is my agenda, right? | 08:37 |
| yasufum | yes | 08:37 |
| Liang | sorry for late reaction, I agree with have a main project! and I would like to put heat-translator for my main. | 08:40 |
| takahashi-tsc | OK, I discussed how to implement and maintain pre-conditions code. Continuous discussion has been accepted, but my request is not fully accepted. | 08:40 |
| takahashi-tsc | The need for discussion and reporting of specs bugs of pre-conditions was accepted. My team will continue them. | 08:41 |
| takahashi-tsc | They do not think *implementations of code for per-condition* is needed. There are 2 aspects. | 08:43 |
| takahashi-tsc | 1st is, they think pre-condition is not scope of TST. I'm not sure it is correct. So I'll continue to discuss. | 08:44 |
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| takahashi-tsc | 2nd is, they doubt need of pre-conditions. Someone said some chain(e.g. create->instantiate->delete) is only needed, and it is difficult to make all preconditions code. | 08:46 |
| takahashi-tsc | My team has discussed it before, so we can understand it... But anyway, we'll develop our pre-condition code for us, and will discuss with TST with such our output. | 08:48 |
| takahashi-tsc | Probably, detailed discussions would not be possible without such concrete output. | 08:48 |
| takahashi-tsc | That's all. Is there any questions? | 08:49 |
| yoshito-ito | Thank you takahashi-san. | 08:50 |
| yoshito-ito | As Tacker side, how to proceed the test with RobotFramework? | 08:50 |
| yoshito-ito | Can we get your first implementaion in Tacker? Or just in your env and for the discussion with TST? | 08:51 |
| takahashi-tsc | We plan to implement pre-condition code and merge into tacker repository. | 08:55 |
| takahashi-tsc | Current plan is making pre-conditions for each API using Robot as possible. I think pre-condition using API in SOL should be Robot.But I some pre-conditions cannot be implemented as API execution. Such code will become tacker original code. | 08:55 |
| yoshito-ito | OK, then let me discuss with your code on Gerrit! Thanks. | 08:57 |
| takahashi-tsc | Yes, thanks. | 08:57 |
| yasufum | When do you roughly think share your code? In wallaby, or later? | 08:59 |
| takahashi-tsc | For Basic API is In wallaby, such as create vnf, instantiate, terminamte and delete. Others will be in later. | 09:01 |
| yasufum | Fine! | 09:01 |
| yasufum | Thanks for proceeding further discussion with TST, and implementation. | 09:03 |
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| yasufum | I believe your contribution will make takcer far more greater. | 09:04 |
| takahashi-tsc | Thanks | 09:04 |
| yasufum | If you have no more comments for the topic, I would like to close this meeting today. | 09:05 |
| yasufum | Good. Thanks for joining. Bye! | 09:05 |
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| yasufum | #endmeeting | 09:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 8 09:06:26 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2020/tacker.2020-12-08-08.04.html | 09:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2020/tacker.2020-12-08-08.04.txt | 09:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2020/tacker.2020-12-08-08.04.log.html | 09:06 |
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| ricolin | #startmeeting multi_arch | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 8 15:04:05 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ricolin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: multi_arch)" | 15:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'multi_arch' | 15:04 |
| ricolin | #topic roll call | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: multi_arch)" | 15:04 | |
| ricolin | jeremyfreudberg, :) | 15:04 |
| jeremyfreudberg | o/ | 15:04 |
| ricolin | jeremyfreudberg, how's going | 15:04 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i'm alright, always busy | 15:04 |
| ricolin | hope things getting better there | 15:05 |
| jeremyfreudberg | they are still bad actually | 15:06 |
| jeremyfreudberg | but whatever | 15:06 |
| ricolin | #topic arm64 cicd | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "arm64 cicd (Meeting topic: multi_arch)" | 15:06 | |
| ricolin | some good news there | 15:07 |
| ricolin | ianw, confirmed that wheel mirror support for arm64 is there | 15:07 |
| jeremyfreudberg | hooray! | 15:08 |
| ricolin | so arm64 jobs should be able to get those wheel packages | 15:08 |
| ricolin | Which lead to second move that I start to propose non-voting ut jobs to projects | 15:08 |
| ricolin | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%22story%252F2007938%22+(status:open%20OR%20status:merged) | 15:08 |
| ricolin | s/move/moves/ | 15:09 |
| jeremyfreudberg | nice | 15:09 |
| ricolin | the failing test is because lower-constraints issue | 15:10 |
| ricolin | if only checking arm64 ut, only few project got issue | 15:10 |
| ricolin | like nova (which I remember it's only need some modification in test code) | 15:11 |
| ricolin | as for devstack job | 15:12 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i'm looking now | 15:12 |
| ricolin | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/devstack/+/708317 | 15:12 |
| ricolin | only got one timeout fail in recent three testing | 15:12 |
| ricolin | I'm not look into the failure reason | 15:13 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes for nova unit tests i remember this issue before | 15:13 |
| ricolin | jeremyfreudberg, yeah, I kind forget which part specifically require to modify | 15:14 |
| ricolin | but should be able to find it quickly since the test result is there | 15:14 |
| ricolin | I mean the nova ut job | 15:15 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i'm looking at devstack job now | 15:15 |
| ricolin | cool | 15:16 |
| ricolin | really need some help to debug | 15:16 |
| ricolin | I'm checking the logs now as well | 15:16 |
| ricolin | #topic open discussion | 15:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: multi_arch)" | 15:17 | |
| jeremyfreudberg | i will try to work on the superuser article | 15:18 |
| ricolin | jeremyfreudberg, that will be great | 15:18 |
| ricolin | IIRC there's no deadline for that right? | 15:19 |
| jeremyfreudberg | no deadline | 15:20 |
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| ricolin | let me know if you need me to work on any part for the article:) | 15:22 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ok | 15:23 |
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| ricolin | thanks jeremyfreudberg for pick up these tasks:) | 15:25 |
| ricolin | let's keep the debug conversation going in #openstack-multi-arch channel | 15:25 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yup | 15:26 |
| jeremyfreudberg | we can end this meeting | 15:26 |
| ricolin | cool | 15:26 |
| ricolin | cheers:) | 15:26 |
| ricolin | #endmeeting | 15:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 8 15:26:16 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/multi_arch/2020/multi_arch.2020-12-08-15.04.html | 15:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/multi_arch/2020/multi_arch.2020-12-08-15.04.txt | 15:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/multi_arch/2020/multi_arch.2020-12-08-15.04.log.html | 15:26 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 8 21:00:33 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 21:00 |
| oneswig | ... back in the room | 21:00 |
| trandles | Hi oneswig | 21:00 |
| oneswig | Hey trandles, long time no see | 21:01 |
| oneswig | what's new? | 21:01 |
| martial | Hi Stig | 21:01 |
| trandles | mostly lurking today, also on a webex at the same time :( | 21:01 |
| martial | Hi Tim | 21:01 |
| oneswig | Hey martial | 21:01 |
| trandles | Hi Martial | 21:01 |
| oneswig | #chair martial | 21:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial oneswig | 21:01 |
| oneswig | CentOS 8.3 turned up in the appstream and a few things broke - qemu was the first (something about gcrypt) | 21:02 |
| oneswig | hopefully it'll settle down soon | 21:02 |
| oneswig | The CentOS move to being a beta for RHEL - understandable but I've heard from a few sites that have concern about this change. | 21:05 |
| oneswig | martial: does Datamachines base on CentOS? | 21:08 |
| martial | really depends on the project | 21:09 |
| martial | We have a few CentOS based installs, but a big set of our cluster is Ubuntu server | 21:10 |
| martial | after that it is a matter of Ansible-ize the host for what we need | 21:10 |
| oneswig | Nice to keep the portability between distros like that | 21:11 |
| martial | well the next steps are installs of an orchestration mechanism for us | 21:12 |
| trandles | we tend to do everything with RHEL or a RHEL derivative so I was really hoping to use CentOS for our VMs just to avoid licensing costs | 21:13 |
| trandles | our RHOSP license price difference between unlimited RHEL clients vs. non was a BIG difference | 21:13 |
| oneswig | does this change your thinking trandles? | 21:14 |
| trandles | not a lot...we were leaving dealing with licenses up to our users | 21:14 |
| trandles | it might change what we provide and support for images | 21:15 |
| trandles | but not by too much... | 21:15 |
| trandles | I have heard from 3 different friends, all working at different places, that people are already talking about rolling their own RH-based distro | 21:16 |
| martial | reading the PR I am a little confused if "Stream" is going to be that different | 21:16 |
| trandles | since AFAIK the RH source will still be on github | 21:16 |
| trandles | we're licensed RHEL on all of our baremetal systems | 21:17 |
| oneswig | I'll be interested to see how it affects things like RDO - might cause that to be more stream-like too | 21:17 |
| oneswig | trandles: is openstack-ansible still dual centos and ubuntu? | 21:18 |
| trandles | oneswig: I don't know, I don't do ubuntu. It still works with centos last I checked (~10 months ago) | 21:19 |
| oneswig | ok, interesting. | 21:20 |
| martial | not sure, I used Ubuntu for Openstack Kolla Ansible | 21:21 |
| oneswig | So what else is new? | 21:24 |
| trandles | not too much from me that would be interesting to this group | 21:24 |
| martial | quiet month usually December :) | 21:24 |
| trandles | I'm neck deep in end-of-year program and project reviews. i.e. nothing fun is happening :( | 21:25 |
| oneswig | Given what Covid did to the summer, a lot of our team are sitting on big backlogs of PTO. December's going to be very quiet over here. | 21:25 |
| trandles | I can't wait for the second half of 2021 when about 50% of the western world tries to take holidays at the same time. | 21:27 |
| martial | a little more chaos here but a lot quieter than in the past | 21:28 |
| martial | (but then again: December :) ) | 21:28 |
| trandles | Our project budgets are getting blown up because no one is taking their PTO. We have lots of people on paper working more than 1 FTE for the year, me included. I've used a total of 22 hours of PTO in 2020. | 21:28 |
| oneswig | For an American that's, like, half of it, right? :-) | 21:29 |
| trandles | LOL if you're an American lucky enough to have a job that provides you with PTO | 21:29 |
| oneswig | yee-ouch | 21:30 |
| trandles | When I was growing up my dad got a total of 40 hours PTO and was only allowed to use it between November and March. | 21:30 |
| oneswig | poor guy. I expect you did what you could to make those 5 days extra special :-) | 21:31 |
| trandles | I get 120 hrs vacation PTO/year, plus 10hrs/month sick time | 21:31 |
| trandles | I have ~600 hours of full-paid sick time, just in case a disaster happens | 21:32 |
| oneswig | On a different subject, we've been having some really interesting time with qemu and backing image performance. | 21:33 |
| oneswig | We have a project with some beefy hypervisors, but in the initial configuration of 10 HDDs for VM image backing the performance was, as they say in France, comme le chien. | 21:34 |
| oneswig | I mean, truly awful when observed from the VM. | 21:34 |
| trandles | RAID or erasure? | 21:35 |
| oneswig | It's RAID 10 but using LVM. Tried a couple of configurations of that with striping aiming to improve utilisation across all drives. | 21:36 |
| oneswig | I think the next step was to move to md for the device management. | 21:36 |
| oneswig | Cherry on the cake was to format /var/lib/nova with xfs instead of ext4 | 21:36 |
| trandles | Has anyone tried ZFS? | 21:37 |
| oneswig | My colleague Michal found an ancient bug on this which apparently still applies | 21:37 |
| oneswig | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/550409 | 21:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 550409 in libvirt (Ubuntu) "Slow disk IO for all guests with all disc modes and types." [Low,Confirmed] | 21:37 |
| oneswig | ZFS? No, not here. People who use it seem to like it. Almost like a cult thing | 21:38 |
| trandles | ZFS backs all of our large lustre filesystems. I used ZFS + kernel NFS (not ZFS NFS) for 3PB of local storage on a cluster. I'm thinking of repurposing those storage nodes for a prototype RHOSP deployment I'm doing. | 21:39 |
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| oneswig | ZFS and Lustre is a popular combination | 21:40 |
| trandles | I like it because our storage gurus all know it very well. When I cock up something I can ask for help. ;) | 21:41 |
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| oneswig | Gives Lustre the resiliency it otherwise wouldn't have... | 21:41 |
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| trandles | The other meeting is done. I can focus. | 21:42 |
| trandles | Of general interest may be that we just started an install today of OpenShift on OpenStack | 21:42 |
| oneswig | Ooh, fancy. How well do the two integrate? Is it similar to Magnum? | 21:43 |
| trandles | The OpenStack is CentOS 8 + RDO. One of our k8s wizards is handling the OpenShift so I'm looking over his virtual shoulder and learning. | 21:43 |
| oneswig | :q | 21:44 |
| oneswig | oops, wrong window :-) | 21:44 |
| trandles | RHAT supports that deployment model so it's what we're using. | 21:44 |
| trandles | One of our partners from another lab is pushing us to use portworx for storage. Anyone have experience? I'm pushing back since we have no portworx experience internally. | 21:45 |
| trandles | martial: I thought maybe Data Machines might have looked at Portworx | 21:45 |
| oneswig | Mind out with their performance figures, they have a benchmark mode that's relaxed about committing to disk. You probably don't want to run your databases in that mode. | 21:46 |
| martial | name rings a bell | 21:46 |
| oneswig | Although I think in general it performs well anyway. I don't have operational experience. | 21:46 |
| martial | I remember seeing it in the past but no direct use here; Ceph or min.io mostly | 21:47 |
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| oneswig | Amusing to follow the thread Jon Mills posted on hn to the point where someone recommends Oracle Linux as an alternative to CentOS... hmmm... | 21:59 |
| martial | ouch | 21:59 |
| oneswig | Nearly at time, final comments? | 21:59 |
| martial | reaching the end of the hour too | 21:59 |
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| oneswig | Ok y'all, time to wrap. | 22:00 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 8 22:00:05 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-12-08-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-12-08-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| oneswig | until next time | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-12-08-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
| trandles | bye all | 22:00 |
| martial | bye | 22:00 |
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