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| slaweq | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Dec 4 14:01:02 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:01 |
| rubasov | o/ | 14:01 |
| slaweq | hi | 14:01 |
| yonglihe | hi,. | 14:01 |
| ralonsoh | hi | 14:01 |
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| rafaelweingartne | \o | 14:02 |
| slaweq | lets wait few more minutes for haleyb, njohnston, amotoki and yamamoto :) | 14:02 |
| lajoskatona | o/ | 14:02 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:02 |
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| slaweq | it's 6 minutes after we started meeting | 14:06 |
| slaweq | and we have quorum already | 14:06 |
| slaweq | so lets start | 14:06 |
| slaweq | #topic RFEs | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:06 | |
| slaweq | agenda for the meeting is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronDrivers | 14:07 |
| slaweq | we have 2 RFEs for today | 14:07 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1905115 | 14:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1905115 in neutron "[RFE] Extend neutron-metadata-agent to support to proxy multiple external services" [Wishlist,New] | 14:07 |
| slaweq | that's first one | 14:07 |
| yonglihe | I would like a new one, https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1906602, sorry. | 14:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1906602 in neutron "[RFE] add new extension "device-profile" for port" [Undecided,New] | 14:08 |
| slaweq | yonglihe: that is added by ralonsoh to the on demand section | 14:09 |
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| yonglihe | thanks. | 14:09 |
| slaweq | I hope we will have time to discuss it today too | 14:09 |
| haleyb | hi, sorry i'm late | 14:10 |
| slaweq | haleyb: hi | 14:10 |
| yonglihe | I suppose the REF deal with Neutron side detail, and this won't block nova's overall design spec, right? | 14:10 |
| slaweq | haleyb: we started from | 14:11 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1905115 | 14:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1905115 in neutron "[RFE] Extend neutron-metadata-agent to support to proxy multiple external services" [Wishlist,New] | 14:11 |
| yonglihe | s/REF/RFE | 14:11 |
| haleyb | i did read this the other day, and my immediate thought was Octavia (load balancer) | 14:12 |
| slaweq | haleyb: loadbalancer? | 14:12 |
| haleyb | it mentions haproxy, L4/L7 | 14:12 |
| slaweq | my understanding is that this is to allow instances to reach some services which are outside of the openstack cloud | 14:13 |
| slaweq | so it would be something opposite to octavia IIUC | 14:13 |
| haleyb | for example, in #2 (shared license pool), is the VM asking for a license on startup? | 14:14 |
| haleyb | maybe i didn't read it enough | 14:14 |
| rubasov | though I never used that, previously I thought nova's vendordata plugin can be used to do that part of the RFE | 14:14 |
| slaweq | haleyb: that is my understanding of this rfe | 14:15 |
| njohnston | My main question is: is the list of external services set in code, or is it operator-configured, or is it tenant-configured? I can certainly imagine that for Windows instances a connection to SCCM would be essential, but that is the camel's nose, so to speak. | 14:16 |
| haleyb | why does neutron need to proxy for a license, shouldn't that be some other service? | 14:16 |
| haleyb | s/be the proxy | 14:16 |
| njohnston | For an otherwise-isolated tenant network | 14:16 |
| slaweq | njohnston++ yes, that's my understanding of it too | 14:17 |
| slaweq | njohnston: I don't know the answer for how list of those services would be set | 14:18 |
| slaweq | but IMHO the best/easiest would be to do it in config file for metadata agent | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | While reading it, I assumed it would be configurable. Inly an assumption, though | 14:19 |
| rubasov | the rfe says "neutron congfiguration file" so I assumed operator-configured | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | Probably would need to be spelled out in a spec | 14:19 |
| slaweq | rubasov: thx, I was almost sure I saw it somewhere :) | 14:19 |
| rubasov | which btw is a bit weird for me because that would mean you can't bake standard images for these services, since the access url could be different in every deployment | 14:21 |
| slaweq | rubasov: I believe that for "standard" deployment it would be disabled | 14:22 |
| slaweq | and it's targeting some specific use case with specific images | 14:22 |
| mlavalle | haleyb you reaised an interesting question. Maybe because Neutron is a central point that would allow proxying to many different kinds of services, not only licenses? | 14:24 |
| haleyb | so i guess getting back to my original question - if this wasn't an isolated network, the user could just configure a well-known IP to have their license server on, right? | 14:25 |
| slaweq | haleyb: yes | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | yeah, but then again, licenses is only one of the use cases envisioned here, IIUC | 14:26 |
| slaweq | that's my understanding too | 14:26 |
| haleyb | that's why without that specific requirement i thought of octavia, but it could just be another VM in the cloud | 14:26 |
| slaweq | they also say something about some monitoring | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | yeap, monitoring is another use case mentioned | 14:27 |
| mlavalle | it's really an attempt to create a "swiss knife" with the metadata agent to proxy "whatever" | 14:27 |
| njohnston | The first question I had when reading this is: why not just use security groups? I think that this is really a way to get around not having a default security group where an admin could centrally configure "all new instances get connections to SCCM, inventory-api, etc. no matter what" | 14:28 |
| slaweq | njohnston: but how SG would help in the isolated network? | 14:29 |
| njohnston | (which would require not using isolated tenant networks of course) | 14:29 |
| slaweq | :) | 14:29 |
| njohnston | If a customer is using isolated networks for some kind of compliance reason though I worry very much about poking holes in that, especially if it could be satisfied another way | 14:30 |
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| njohnston | I have deployed windows servers that have to communicate with SCCM on startup, so I see the value in this, but I can't imagine saying yes to this and then no to any number of other things corporations like to do, at which point the security model had just become another kind of security group | 14:34 |
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| njohnston | well, startup, but especially they need to communicate with SCCM when they get imaged initially | 14:35 |
| slaweq | it can be also done with one additional vm which would be connected to external network and which would do such proxy | 14:36 |
| slaweq | and then neutron don't need to do anything | 14:36 |
| slaweq | on such vm they would be able to control everything as they want :) | 14:37 |
| njohnston | right! Addressing it in architecture is better than modifying the service to handle the request | 14:37 |
| haleyb | slaweq: right, there are other ways | 14:37 |
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| slaweq | ok, so lets ask them if that would solve their problem | 14:38 |
| njohnston | +1 | 14:38 |
| haleyb | i'm just also thinking when we (maybe) do a server-less metadata in some OVN future feature and we break this | 14:39 |
| slaweq | if not - maybe they will provide more data for further discussion | 14:39 |
| haleyb | so +1 to ask them | 14:39 |
| mlavalle | +1 | 14:39 |
| slaweq | ralonsoh: any thoughts? | 14:39 |
| ralonsoh | ok to ask them | 14:39 |
| slaweq | k | 14:39 |
| slaweq | thx | 14:39 |
| slaweq | so this one is done | 14:39 |
| slaweq | lets now discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1906602 which was added by ralonsoh to the on demand section | 14:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1906602 in neutron "[RFE] add new extension "device-profile" for port" [Undecided,New] | 14:40 |
| ralonsoh | slaweq, thanks | 14:40 |
| slaweq | but as we have yonglihe here | 14:40 |
| ralonsoh | long story short: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/742785/14/specs/wallaby/approved/support-sriov-smartnic.rst#129 | 14:40 |
| slaweq | we can talk now | 14:40 |
| slaweq | and btw. thx rubasov for allowing discuss of that before his rfe :) | 14:41 |
| yonglihe | First question, need a spec for neutron? | 14:41 |
| yonglihe | thanks, rubasov | 14:41 |
| rubasov | sure, np | 14:41 |
| ralonsoh | let's first propose what should be done | 14:41 |
| ralonsoh | Neutron needs to extend the port API | 14:42 |
| ralonsoh | to provide to Nova a string parameter | 14:42 |
| ralonsoh | "device_profile" | 14:42 |
| ralonsoh | this parameter will be passed to Nova and then to Cyborg | 14:42 |
| ralonsoh | this parameter is given during the port creation (read-only) | 14:42 |
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| ralonsoh | and replying to the RFE question, IMO I think we don't need a spec for this | 14:43 |
| ralonsoh | having the Nova one | 14:43 |
| lajoskatona | So the user needs to know the good value here at port-create time? | 14:43 |
| yonglihe | dolpher, and xinran also here. ralonsoh, yeah. and a new nit type is also required by nova. | 14:43 |
| ralonsoh | yes | 14:43 |
| yonglihe | s/nit/nic | 14:43 |
| lajoskatona | ralonsoh: ok | 14:43 |
| ralonsoh | lajoskatona, of course that can't be modified if the port is bound | 14:44 |
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| ralonsoh | if the port is not bound, can be deleted and created again | 14:44 |
| lajoskatona | ralonsoh, yonglihe: when the validation happens, when the value is passed from nova to cyborg? | 14:44 |
| lajoskatona | so no need to check in neutron create time? | 14:45 |
| ralonsoh | well, not validation but request | 14:45 |
| ralonsoh | according to the spec, no | 14:45 |
| ralonsoh | this parameter is a generic string | 14:45 |
| gibi | we touched upon the validation during the PTG but validating the device_profile name from neutron perspective would require a cyborg client to be added | 14:45 |
| gibi | as far as I remember we agreed not to do this at the first step | 14:45 |
| ralonsoh | something like a trait? | 14:46 |
| slaweq | gibi: yes, I also remember something like that | 14:46 |
| gibi | so the server create will fail not the port create if the port has an invalid device_profile value set | 14:47 |
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| lajoskatona | gibi, salweq: ok | 14:48 |
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| slaweq | this device_profile field will accept only string? or will it be some dict with various values? | 14:50 |
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| ralonsoh | this is supposed to be like a os trait | 14:50 |
| ralonsoh | a string that will define a profile stored in Cyborg | 14:50 |
| yonglihe | it should be only string, like a 'flavor' name, which defined in Cyborg | 14:51 |
| slaweq | ok, thx | 14:51 |
| slaweq | do You have any other questions regarding that? or do You want to vote on approving it or not? | 14:51 |
| slaweq | I'm personally ok to approve that rfe on our side, especially that we discussed that during the ptg already | 14:52 |
| mlavalle | +1 | 14:52 |
| njohnston_ | does neutron have any responsibility for validating that the named policy exists in Cyborg before proceeding? | 14:52 |
| ralonsoh | not now, as commented | 14:52 |
| ralonsoh | for now we are not adding the Cyborg client | 14:53 |
| njohnston_ | I am +1 | 14:53 |
| lajoskatona | +1 | 14:53 |
| njohnston_ | ok, apologies my connection tion dropped, I must have missed that | 14:53 |
| slaweq | haleyb: any thoughts? | 14:54 |
| slaweq | I guess that ralonsoh is "+1" on this also :) | 14:54 |
| ralonsoh | (I added this item to the agenda, I should not vote) | 14:54 |
| * haleyb got distracted so won't vote | 14:54 | |
| slaweq | hmm, that's hard - we have 3x +1, 2x "hold" and missing 2 people | 14:55 |
| slaweq | I have such thing first time here :/ | 14:55 |
| ralonsoh | no rush, I'll ask next week for more votes | 14:56 |
| haleyb | i can read s/b | 14:56 |
| slaweq | haleyb: would be great :) | 14:56 |
| ralonsoh | (I'll add it again to the agenda, just for voting) | 14:56 |
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| yonglihe | thanks. | 14:56 |
| slaweq | haleyb: so please read it this week, and we will get back to it as first item on next meeting | 14:56 |
| haleyb | +1 it seems simple enough for neutron | 14:57 |
| slaweq | ok, thx haleyb :) | 14:57 |
| slaweq | so I will mark this rfe as approved | 14:57 |
| ralonsoh | thank you all | 14:57 |
| slaweq | thx | 14:57 |
| slaweq | have a great weekend and see You next week! | 14:57 |
| slaweq | o/ | 14:57 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:57 |
| rubasov | o/ | 14:57 |
| slaweq | rubasov: Your rfe will be first one next week | 14:57 |
| slaweq | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:58 | |
| rubasov | slaweq: thanks | 14:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Dec 4 14:58:00 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2020/neutron_drivers.2020-12-04-14.01.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2020/neutron_drivers.2020-12-04-14.01.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2020/neutron_drivers.2020-12-04-14.01.log.html | 14:58 |
| ralonsoh | bye | 14:58 |
| njohnston_ | o/ | 14:58 |
| yonglihe | bye | 14:58 |
| lajoskatona | bye | 14:58 |
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