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| liuyulong | Hi sorry, I missed tonight's L3 meeting because of local works. So see you guys next week. | 14:42 |
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| timburke | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 10 21:00:23 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is timburke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| timburke | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
| seongsoocho | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| rledisez | hi o/ | 21:01 |
| clayg | o/ | 21:01 |
| timburke | as usual, agenda's at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| timburke | #topic PTG | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:02 | |
| timburke | we all got to see each other last week! | 21:02 |
| timburke | thank you all for attending, discussing, and offering feedback | 21:03 |
| timburke | fwiw, there's an openstack-wide etherpad for feedback at | 21:03 |
| timburke | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/June2020-PTG-Feedback | 21:03 |
| timburke | i hope everyone else felt it was productive; i know i got a lot of good feedback about multipart uploads and updater, and got a better idea of what's going on with sharding | 21:05 |
| timburke | i updated the priority reviews page to highlight some of the work you all are doing -- though if i missed something, don't hesitate to add it! | 21:06 |
| timburke | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:06 |
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| timburke | one thing i realized i forgot to have was a swift-community feedback session -- i'd be curious to know everyone's thoughts about how we're doing as a community, what's working and what isn't | 21:07 |
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| clayg | oh yeah - doh! | 21:08 |
| rledisez | i would say what's working: friendly community, everybody is really helpful, everything can be talked about | 21:08 |
| rledisez | what's not working: not enough manpower to do everything :) | 21:08 |
| timburke | no surprise there given the trends of the last year or two ;-) | 21:09 |
| kota_ | rledisez: +1 | 21:10 |
| timburke | would it be worth me putting this as a topic for next week, to give people a chance to collect their thoughts about it more? | 21:10 |
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| timburke | or we can just let it be :-) | 21:12 |
| timburke | #topic bionic | 21:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bionic (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:12 | |
| timburke | #undo | 21:12 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic bionic | 21:13 |
| timburke | #topic focal | 21:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "focal (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:13 | |
| timburke | i don't think this should greatly impact us, but it looks like people are working on migrating jobs from bionic to focal | 21:13 |
| timburke | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-June/015358.html | 21:13 |
| clayg | focal! | 21:14 |
| clayg | i want to upgrade to focal | 21:14 |
| kota_ | oh | 21:14 |
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| clayg | sudo apt dist-upgrade | 21:14 |
| timburke | mostly just something to be aware of; i don't anticipate many issues | 21:15 |
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| clayg | timburke: you sure? didn't vsaio have some issues with focal? | 21:15 |
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| timburke | ...pretty sure? hopefully? there are those eventlet-py37 bugs we know about | 21:16 |
| timburke | though i don't think the threading guy is actually a problem, and none of our gate jobs use tls | 21:17 |
| timburke | the other issues for vsaio mainly had to do with other stuff we stand up, like pykmip | 21:18 |
| timburke | so, 🤞 | 21:18 |
| timburke | #topic release model changes | 21:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release model changes (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:19 | |
| timburke | i saw an interesting thread on the mailing list | 21:19 |
| timburke | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-June/015342.html | 21:19 |
| timburke | i don't expect any potential changes to impact swift -- we basically already follow what's being proposed | 21:20 |
| timburke | basically, the proposal is to get rid of rc releases and add bugfix releases as needed, with the coordinated release version for a project potentially being a .1 or .2 | 21:21 |
| timburke | not unlike how our train release was 2.23.1 | 21:22 |
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| timburke | again, just something to be aware of | 21:22 |
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| timburke | on to updates! | 21:23 |
| timburke | #topic py3 probe tests | 21:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "py3 probe tests (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:23 | |
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| timburke | so a while back i'd proposed https://review.opendev.org/#/c/690717/ | 21:23 |
| patchbot | patch 690717 - swift - Add py3 probe tests on CentOS 8 - 21 patch sets | 21:23 |
| timburke | and i was having issues getting libec installed so it could actually *run* | 21:23 |
| clayg | oh libec | 21:24 |
| timburke | but i finally got around to revisiting it, and managed to get it passing last night! | 21:24 |
| timburke | though it looks like the most-recent attempt had some timeouts :-( | 21:24 |
| zaitcev | Hmm. How can one have trouble with PyEClib on CentOS 8, when I ... oh... those people. Still on 1.0.2, I suspect. | 21:25 |
| timburke | if anyone has some time to review it, i'd appreciate it -- this will finally bring our py3 gate jobs in line with what we've done for py2! | 21:26 |
| zaitcev | I almost volunteered when I saw .yaml | 21:26 |
| zaitcev | er | 21:27 |
| timburke | zaitcev, i think my real trouble was that i wasn't pulling in the RDO repos -- eventually i found where we do that in tools/test-setup.sh, then everything got easier | 21:27 |
| zaitcev | I almost volunteered, but then I saw .yaml | 21:27 |
| clayg | zaitcev: https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/yaml-tips | 21:28 |
| timburke | i'm mostly ok with the yaml and shell -- it's the bindep stuff that i'm not so sure about | 21:28 |
| timburke | that's all i had for that | 21:29 |
| timburke | #topic lots of small files | 21:29 |
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| timburke | alecuyer, rledisez how's it going? | 21:29 |
| rledisez | no updates this week, been busy on other subject. I'm not expecting alecuyer to work on it before 2 weeks from now | 21:30 |
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| timburke | 👍 i'll bump if from the agenda then -- feel free to add it back when you're ready :) | 21:30 |
| timburke | #topic open discussion | 21:30 |
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| timburke | what else would people like to talk about? | 21:31 |
| clayg | swift-get-nodes -Q 🔥 | 21:31 |
| timburke | \o/ it's gonna be so useful | 21:32 |
| clayg | I think i'm g2g on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/733919/ | 21:32 |
| patchbot | patch 733919 - swift - s3api: Allow CompleteMultipartUpload requests to b... - 3 patch sets | 21:32 |
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| clayg | turns out s3 lets you retry - so really it's just parity | 21:33 |
| timburke | oh! what do people think about the SLO changes in https://review.opendev.org/#/c/733026/ ? | 21:33 |
| patchbot | patch 733026 - swift - Add a new URL parameter to allow for async cleanup... - 4 patch sets | 21:33 |
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| timburke | is async segment cleanup a thing that seems reasonable for SLO? | 21:34 |
| clayg | the patch hasn't been up a week yet - but i've already packaged it... so... if someone wants to look at it 😬 | 21:34 |
| clayg | oh yeah, SLO async delete - yeah I'm curious what folks think | 21:34 |
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| clayg | timburke: you're asking about https://review.opendev.org/#/c/733026/ | 21:35 |
| patchbot | patch 733026 - swift - Add a new URL parameter to allow for async cleanup... - 4 patch sets | 21:35 |
| timburke | yep | 21:36 |
| zaitcev | I guess I'll look. Again, I'd like to have it enabled separately. | 21:37 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, been playing catch up with work this week. Will find time to review them during the week | 21:37 |
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| clayg | zaitcev: have... "it" enabled separately? | 21:38 |
| zaitcev | But I love clusters to self-repair. That's ultimately what dark data thing should do. | 21:38 |
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| timburke | so the client has to opt-in to having the deletes happen async -- new query param so it's like ?multipart-manifest=delete&async=true | 21:39 |
| zaitcev | clayg, sorry, perhaps I assume too much. I thought you envisioned replicator or whoever remove old SLO segments. | 21:39 |
| zaitcev | s/ old SLO/ unreferenced SLO/ | 21:39 |
| zaitcev | (it does not matter how old they are) | 21:40 |
| * kota_ guess it means to separate "implement async delete on Swift slo" patch and "make async s3 MPU delete to use the slo staff" patch. | 21:40 | |
| timburke | definitely *not* looking to do ref-counting :-) | 21:40 |
| clayg | unreferenced SLO segments ... yeah | 21:40 |
| timburke | kota_, making s3api use it was *really* easy -- i wound up just rolling it all into one patch | 21:40 |
| clayg | wtg in tree s3! | 21:41 |
| kota_ | timburke: yeah, it looks correct. I'm looking | 21:41 |
| zaitcev | told you | 21:41 |
| zaitcev | now we just need in-tree swauth :-) | 21:42 |
| clayg | timburke: can we abandon https://review.opendev.org/#/c/728589/ | 21:42 |
| patchbot | patch 728589 - swift - s3api: Add config option to include uploadId in GE... - 3 patch sets | 21:42 |
| timburke | poor swauth :-( | 21:42 |
| clayg | swauth!!! 🤣 | 21:42 |
| timburke | clayg, yeah, i'm on board with that | 21:42 |
| clayg | rledisez: I've kind cooled again on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/571917/ | 21:43 |
| patchbot | patch 571917 - swift - Manage async_pendings priority per containers - 5 patch sets | 21:43 |
| clayg | but i guess i might regret it next time we have bunk container 🤪 | 21:43 |
| clayg | we're gunna roll out the batched reclaim next release; and then try to get more agressive with automated container sharding | 21:44 |
| rledisez | clayg: The way to go is proabably auto-sharding, it would fix most cases I guess (except weird network issue & stuff, but I guess it's up to the operator to fix the network) | 21:44 |
| timburke | clayg, i think we may have talked about it after you had to leave one day -- that seemed to be the general consensus. get batched reclaim in prod, get an updater-lag metric like in p 715580, then see how our clusters are doing | 21:45 |
| patchbot | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/715580/ - swift - obj-updater: add metric on lag of containers listing - 1 patch set | 21:45 |
| clayg | ok, i'll try to look at that one again | 21:45 |
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| timburke | all right, seems like we're winding down | 21:48 |
| timburke | thanks again for coming last week! thank you all for making swift great! | 21:48 |
| timburke | #endmeeting | 21:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 10 21:49:06 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2020/swift.2020-06-10-21.00.html | 21:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2020/swift.2020-06-10-21.00.txt | 21:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2020/swift.2020-06-10-21.00.log.html | 21:49 |
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