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| takahashi-tsc | #startmeeting tacker | 08:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 28 08:07:32 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is takahashi-tsc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 08:07 |
| takahashi-tsc | yasufum Can we start Tacker weekly meeting? | 08:07 |
| yasufum | hi | 08:08 |
| yasufum | thanks for starting the meeting | 08:08 |
| takahashi-tsc | Hi! | 08:08 |
| hyunsikyang__ | Hi | 08:08 |
| keiko-k | Hi | 08:08 |
| JangwonLee_ | hi | 08:08 |
| yasufum | I’d like to talk about time slot of vPTG because we asked to fix on ML. | 08:09 |
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| yasufum | I’m not sure which time is the best for us actually. | 08:10 |
| yasufum | https://ethercalc.openstack.org/126u8ek25noy | 08:10 |
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| hyunsikyang__ | I think we can use this time for vPTG. | 08:12 |
| hyunsikyang__ | We start vPTG early and finish it around 6pm | 08:12 |
| hyunsikyang__ | Tuesday from 3 to 6? | 08:13 |
| hyunsikyang__ | at room6? | 08:13 |
| yasufum | sounds good | 08:14 |
| yasufum | I also want to know how many proposals from yours if it is clear now. | 08:15 |
| hyunsikyang__ | me? | 08:15 |
| yasufum | from NTT, we have about seven proposals for currently. | 08:15 |
| yasufum | yes, and all. | 08:15 |
| hyunsikyang__ | seven? wow!:) | 08:16 |
| hyunsikyang__ | I am considering it now. | 08:16 |
| takahashi-tsc | from NEC, we have 3 proposals. | 08:16 |
| hyunsikyang__ | what is your main proposal for this cycle? | 08:16 |
| hyunsikyang__ | hi takahashi | 08:16 |
| hyunsikyang__ | NEC-3 / NTT-10. I am not sure. | 08:17 |
| hyunsikyang__ | I will think it ASAP. | 08:17 |
| yasufum | hmm, it might be not enough three hours for us… | 08:17 |
| hyunsikyang__ | yasufum, could you make etherpad for tacker's topic for this cycle?:D | 08:17 |
| hyunsikyang__ | Yes. | 08:18 |
| yasufum | sorry for late sharing. I’ve just setup. https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/Tacker-PTG-Victoria | 08:18 |
| hyunsikyang__ | but, we can try to present it quickly. and discuss it later. | 08:18 |
| hyunsikyang__ | But, if we need it, we can reserve the time 3 to 6. and 7 to 9? | 08:19 |
| hyunsikyang__ | we need a time to have dinner.. kkk | 08:19 |
| yasufum | Thanks, hyunsik. Do you any have suggestion from NEC, or agree? | 08:20 |
| takahashi-tsc | Sorry but "3" means 3pm JST/KST ? | 08:21 |
| yasufum | I think it is the same timezone, right? | 08:21 |
| hyunsikyang__ | right! | 08:21 |
| hyunsikyang__ | here. only we are here. so .. I skipped to mention it. | 08:22 |
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| hyunsikyang__ | yasufum aggree for what? | 08:22 |
| yasufum | sorry, you mean about the time? | 08:24 |
| takahashi-tsc | OK, so we have vPTG at 3pm-6pm and 7pm-9pm JST/KST (6am-9am and 10am-12pm UTC) right? | 08:25 |
| takahashi-tsc | on 2 June | 08:25 |
| hyunsikyang__ | good. | 08:25 |
| yasufum | I agree | 08:26 |
| takahashi-tsc | https://ethercalc.openstack.org/126u8ek25noy | 08:27 |
| takahashi-tsc | in this page, 8-13 UTC is not included. | 08:28 |
| takahashi-tsc | What does it mean? | 08:28 |
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| hyunsikyang__ | tahahashi-tsc, I am not sure. but, we can't reserve it, we can start earlt than now. | 08:31 |
| hyunsikyang__ | if we can't reserve it. | 08:31 |
| hyunsikyang__ | UTC 4 to 9? 1pm to 6pm in our time zone. | 08:32 |
| takahashi-tsc | It’s also OK for me. Which is better (start 1pm JST/KST or 3pm JST/KST) | 08:35 |
| hyunsikyang__ | If all guys is good for 1pm, we start at 1pm. | 08:37 |
| yasufum | I’d like to confirm that it is OK for people from India because we have some active developers from there. | 08:38 |
| yasufum | It’s about three hours different? | 08:38 |
| hyunsikyang__ | Ah really? | 08:38 |
| hyunsikyang__ | I don't know about it. | 08:38 |
| yasufum | Do you know about that, takahashi-san? | 08:39 |
| takahashi-tsc | Hmm, 1 members from India may attend vPTG. so from 3pm is better... | 08:40 |
| yasufum | Thanks.So, do you think it is better to separate our discussion into two days? | 08:41 |
| takahashi-tsc | 3pm-5pm JST/KST (6am-8am UTC) on 2nd and 3rd June? | 08:45 |
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| yasufum | It’s OK for NTT guys. | 08:48 |
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| yasufum | If it’s not OK for other guys, we can have another time slot because there are not so many time slots reserved on this time range. | 08:51 |
| hyunsikyang__ | it's good to me. | 08:52 |
| takahashi-tsc | Sure. | 08:52 |
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| yasufum | Thanks! It seems that we’ve came to the conclusion. I’d like to update ethercals. We hope to have good discussion on vPTG. | 08:55 |
| takahashi-tsc | Thanks | 08:55 |
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| yasufum | If you have items discussion anymore, could you close the meeting, takahashi-san? | 08:57 |
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| takahashi-tsc | time is up, but I have some topics ti discuss... can we discuss at #tacker now? | 08:58 |
| hyunsikyang__ | yes | 08:58 |
| yasufum | sure | 08:58 |
| hyunsikyang__ | let's finish the meeting. | 08:58 |
| takahashi-tsc | OK, close this meeting. | 08:58 |
| takahashi-tsc | Thanks | 08:58 |
| yasufum | bye | 08:58 |
| hyunsikyang__ | #endmeeting tacker | 08:58 |
| takahashi-tsc | #endmeeting | 08:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 08:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 28 08:59:01 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2020/tacker.2020-04-28-08.07.html | 08:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2020/tacker.2020-04-28-08.07.txt | 08:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2020/tacker.2020-04-28-08.07.log.html | 08:59 |
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| ricolin | o/ | 14:03 |
| ricolin | #startmeeting automation | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 28 14:03:53 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ricolin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: automation)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'automation' | 14:03 |
| ricolin | #topic roll call | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: automation)" | 14:04 | |
| ricolin | o/ | 14:04 |
| ricolin | witek, | 14:05 |
| ricolin | For all's information I added Automation SIG in Virtual PTG | 14:06 |
| ricolin | with schedule Thursday 1300- 1600 UTC | 14:07 |
| ricolin | #link https://ethercalc.openstack.org/126u8ek25noy | 14:07 |
| ricolin | Thinking we can use at least one hour of that time for BoF | 14:08 |
| ricolin | Or we can move it to Thursday 1300-1500 | 14:08 |
| ricolin | which cover current meeting time | 14:09 |
| witek | hi ricolin | 14:10 |
| ricolin | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/Automation-2020-VPTG | 14:10 |
| ricolin | witek, Hi:) | 14:10 |
| ricolin | how's going | 14:10 |
| witek | good, busy with release season | 14:11 |
| ricolin | witek, how's monasca | 14:12 |
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| witek | quite OK, taking into account the decreasing involvement in OpenStack in general | 14:13 |
| witek | we've got the new PTL | 14:13 |
| ricolin | yes, notice that | 14:13 |
| ricolin | so are you still join Virtual PTG this time? | 14:14 |
| witek | yes, I'll definitely attend the Monasca sessions | 14:14 |
| witek | I'm not quite sure about the rest of the week | 14:14 |
| witek | because it's vacation time in Bavaria | 14:14 |
| ricolin | cool | 14:15 |
| ricolin | better not work over vacation:) | 14:15 |
| witek | but because of SARS2-Cov issue, it might be that we have to stay home anyway | 14:15 |
| witek | so it's 50/50 bet right now | 14:16 |
| witek | if we stay home, I'll join the Automation SIG as well | 14:17 |
| ricolin | witek, was thinking move it to Thursday 1300-1500, but that's same time as Monasca scheduled | 14:18 |
| witek | you mean Tue? | 14:18 |
| ricolin | yes | 14:18 |
| ricolin | sorry | 14:18 |
| ricolin | Tuesday | 14:19 |
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| ricolin | Currently scheduled at Thursday 1300- 1600 UTC | 14:19 |
| witek | yes, we've planned Monasca for Tue, 13-17 | 14:19 |
| witek | + office hour for APAC time zones | 14:20 |
| witek | Tue at 7am | 14:20 |
| ricolin | yep | 14:20 |
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| witek | I see Heat is Mon + Wed | 14:22 |
| ricolin | Wonder how many new contributor will join Virtual PTG | 14:22 |
| ricolin | or User | 14:22 |
| ricolin | yes | 14:22 |
| witek | or ops | 14:22 |
| ricolin | with a gap day | 14:23 |
| ricolin | yeah, ops | 14:23 |
| witek | yeah, it's the first virtual one | 14:23 |
| ricolin | if no ops and users, I think see much value for a SIG to host session there | 14:23 |
| ricolin | Maybe to have relates project teams to join a 30 mins discussion for how we can move automation for OpenStack forward | 14:25 |
| ricolin | and seek for volunteers | 14:25 |
| witek | good idea | 14:26 |
| ricolin | got any other ideas? | 14:27 |
| witek | cross-project discussion about monitoring? but not sure if I can drive | 14:29 |
| ricolin | That's indeed an important topic that automation SIG can help driving | 14:29 |
| ricolin | we can put it in https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/Automation-2020-VPTG and fine out how can we push it in following weeks | 14:30 |
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| witek | thanks | 14:31 |
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| ricolin | Okay that's all from my part | 14:32 |
| ricolin | witek, anything else:) | 14:32 |
| witek | not for the PTG | 14:33 |
| witek | I should update the docs you've asked for auto-scaling | 14:33 |
| witek | do you know if there will some common infrastructure for video conferencing at PTG? | 14:34 |
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| ricolin | Zoom I assume | 14:34 |
| witek | is it agreed, or you assumption? | 14:35 |
| ricolin | my assumption | 14:36 |
| witek | ok | 14:36 |
| witek | I don't have anything else | 14:36 |
| ricolin | will share if any update on that | 14:36 |
| witek | thanks | 14:36 |
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| ricolin | just added 1. [cross-project discussion] Montioring in OpenStack | 14:38 |
| ricolin | 2. BoF in etherpad | 14:38 |
| ricolin | https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/Automation-2020-VPTG | 14:38 |
| witek | seen it, thanks | 14:39 |
| * ricolin remember that we still need to push the CI forward! | 14:39 | |
| ricolin | got to find time for it:) | 14:40 |
| witek | please ping me if I can help somehow | 14:40 |
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| ricolin | witek, will do | 14:41 |
| ricolin | Okay, let's end this meeting:) | 14:41 |
| ricolin | witek, thanks for join:) | 14:42 |
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| ricolin | if you update the autoscaling docs, feel free to add me as reviewer | 14:42 |
| ricolin | witek, ^^^ | 14:43 |
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| witek | yes, will do | 14:43 |
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| ricolin | thanks | 14:43 |
| ricolin | #endmeeting | 14:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 28 14:43:36 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/automation/2020/automation.2020-04-28-14.03.html | 14:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/automation/2020/automation.2020-04-28-14.03.txt | 14:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/automation/2020/automation.2020-04-28-14.03.log.html | 14:43 |
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| ricolin | #startmeeting multi_arch | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 28 15:00:38 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ricolin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: multi_arch)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'multi_arch' | 15:00 |
| ricolin | #topic roll call | 15:00 |
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| ricolin | o/ | 15:00 |
| jeremyfreudberg | o/ | 15:00 |
| jeremyfreudberg | hey ricolin :) | 15:01 |
| ricolin | jeremyfreudberg, o/ | 15:01 |
| ricolin | how's going:) | 15:01 |
| jeremyfreudberg | it's going alright. how are you ricolin? | 15:01 |
| ricolin | doing great | 15:01 |
| jeremyfreudberg | nice! | 15:01 |
| ricolin | I saw your patch for docs | 15:01 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yup | 15:02 |
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| ricolin | thanks to start that effort:) | 15:03 |
| jeremyfreudberg | no problem! | 15:04 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i hope it is useful | 15:04 |
| ricolin | it is | 15:04 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | cool :) | 15:04 |
| ricolin | I happen to have user asking that | 15:04 |
| ricolin | today | 15:04 |
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| ricolin | #topic virtual PTG | 15:05 |
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| ricolin | as you might noticed from log of earlier meeting | 15:06 |
| ricolin | we discussed about the time table for multi-arch SIG | 15:06 |
| ricolin | which should looks like Tuesday 0600-0800 UTC @ Mitaka | 15:06 |
| ricolin | Tuesday 1400-1600 UTC @ Mitaka room | 15:06 |
| ricolin | Thursday 0600-0800 UTC @ Mitaka | 15:06 |
| ricolin | I wonder if 1400-1600 UTC on Tuesday that week works for you? | 15:07 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i think it will work | 15:08 |
| ricolin | I will attend all three schedule | 15:08 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ok cool, i don't want to be alone ;) | 15:08 |
| ricolin | jeremyfreudberg, never! | 15:08 |
| jeremyfreudberg | :) | 15:09 |
| ricolin | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/Multi-arch-2020-VPTG | 15:09 |
| ricolin | as action, please help to fill out topic suggestion:) | 15:09 |
| jeremyfreudberg | cool, will do | 15:09 |
| ricolin | Wondering if user and ops will join V-PTG | 15:10 |
| jeremyfreudberg | it would be great if they join | 15:10 |
| ricolin | yeah, I have that question because it's still `PTG` which I hope user won't feel un-required | 15:11 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yup | 15:11 |
| ricolin | after all user and ops is another half for SIG successful | 15:11 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yeah for SIG we really need user/ops | 15:12 |
| ricolin | I will work on writing some report before V ptg | 15:12 |
| jeremyfreudberg | great! | 15:12 |
| ricolin | agree | 15:12 |
| ricolin | if docs can be done before that, will be nice if we can include our docs :) | 15:12 |
| ricolin | #action ricolin work on SIG report before VPTG | 15:13 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yup, will be nice for sure | 15:13 |
| ricolin | That's all from me for the Virtual PTG | 15:14 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ok, i don't have anything else to mention | 15:15 |
| ricolin | #topic CI resource | 15:15 |
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| ricolin | for CI devstack still in progress, | 15:15 |
| ricolin | No response from potential CI env. provider yet | 15:16 |
| ricolin | also ianw mentioned that Zuul start work on arm64 support | 15:16 |
| jeremyfreudberg | cool | 15:16 |
| ricolin | also heat-agents and some others | 15:16 |
| ricolin | there are links in earlier meeting log | 15:17 |
| ricolin | so please take a look:) | 15:17 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yeah, i will take a look at the links | 15:17 |
| ricolin | cool | 15:18 |
| ricolin | also ppc64le support for tripleO, but I think that's daily life for you guys:) | 15:18 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yup, exactly, it's just my daily stuff | 15:19 |
| ricolin | #topic open discussion | 15:19 |
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| ricolin | for your information, our meeting schedule for earlier meeting just move one hour earlier since the old schedule is happen to be tonyb's dinner time | 15:20 |
| ricolin | :) | 15:20 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yeah, not much effect for me since i will be asleep :) | 15:21 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i don't have anything else to discuss today | 15:21 |
| ricolin | okay | 15:21 |
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| ricolin | I wonder if PowerVM SIG can help the Virtual driver part of docs :) | 15:22 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yeah, would be nice to hear from them | 15:22 |
| jeremyfreudberg | we can also link directly to their docs | 15:23 |
| ricolin | good idea | 15:23 |
| ricolin | no need to re-write stuff | 15:23 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yeah | 15:24 |
| ricolin | Okay I think that's all we need to sync today | 15:24 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yup, thanks ricolin ! have a good week | 15:24 |
| ricolin | let's keep in touch | 15:24 |
| ricolin | you too:) | 15:24 |
| ricolin | thank for join meeting today | 15:24 |
| ricolin | ttyl | 15:24 |
| ricolin | #endmeeting | 15:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 28 15:24:58 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/multi_arch/2020/multi_arch.2020-04-28-15.00.html | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/multi_arch/2020/multi_arch.2020-04-28-15.00.txt | 15:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/multi_arch/2020/multi_arch.2020-04-28-15.00.log.html | 15:25 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 28 21:00:23 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 21:00 |
| oneswig | ship ahoy! | 21:00 |
| oneswig | I had an agenda here somewher. | 21:00 |
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| jmlowe | hey everybody | 21:00 |
| oneswig | Hi jmlowe | 21:00 |
| oneswig | #link agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_April_28th_2020 | 21:00 |
| oneswig | Who got in on time? | 21:01 |
| oneswig | jmlowe: how's things with you? | 21:01 |
| martial | on time? | 21:01 |
| oneswig | hey martial | 21:02 |
| oneswig | #chair martial | 21:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial oneswig | 21:02 |
| jmlowe | surviving, life is much the same, just more people underfoot | 21:02 |
| oneswig | sounds familiar | 21:03 |
| oneswig | Had a peach of an issue with CephFS recently, thought you might be piqued. | 21:03 |
| oneswig | All the files (~6TB) disappeared. | 21:03 |
| oneswig | The root dir was empty | 21:04 |
| jmlowe | oh | 21:04 |
| oneswig | oops :-) | 21:04 |
| martial | ouch | 21:04 |
| jmlowe | I'm planning on some very heavy cephfs usage in the next 6-12 months | 21:04 |
| fungi | did you manage to recover the data, eventually? | 21:04 |
| oneswig | After a few days of getting not very far with fsck, I found I could access directories two levels down... | 21:04 |
| oneswig | ie / was empty, but /home/stig had stuff in it. | 21:05 |
| oneswig | hmm. | 21:05 |
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| oneswig | I made a new directory in / and the MDS had a hiccup and returned the missing dirs. | 21:05 |
| jmlowe | weird, version? | 21:05 |
| oneswig | In a parallel universe, it would deleted all the unexpected inodes for me instead ... | 21:06 |
| oneswig | This was mimic. | 21:06 |
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| oneswig | We upgraded to Nautilus over the weekend with the Ceph-Ansible rolling upgrade. A good experience. | 21:06 |
| oneswig | We aren't quite sure how it got into that state but it has spent a good deal of time recently with intermittent connectivity and multiple MDSes | 21:07 |
| oneswig | Anyway we should get the show on the road. | 21:08 |
| oneswig | #topic Open Infra Labs | 21:08 |
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| oneswig | msdisme: are you there? | 21:08 |
| msdisme | here! | 21:08 |
| oneswig | Hello and thanks for joining. | 21:09 |
| oneswig | What's the story? | 21:09 |
| msdisme | Hi - thanks for inviting me | 21:09 |
| jmlowe | I'm on Nautilus and looking hard at Octopus | 21:09 |
| msdisme | So apologies in advance for the potential wall of text - I dropped some stuff in a paste buffer :-) | 21:09 |
| msdisme | OpenInfra Labs (OI Labs) is the new effort established in partnership with the OpenStack Foundation and Mass Open Cloud. OI Labs is created with the goal to expand the existing community and simplify and standardize how different institutions deploy and operate open source cloud infrastructure and cloud native software. Initially, OI Labs will prioritize the needs of the MOC and NERC environments. Longer term | 21:10 |
| msdisme | the goal is to see more organizations globally (especially in the academic and research space) stand up multiple consistent clouds that can enable hybrid and federated use cases. If you are building or operating open source based clouds and would like to help standardize the process for creating them, we invite you to get involved and participate in OpenInfra Labs today! (links later I promise :-0) | 21:10 |
| oneswig | What's NERC? | 21:10 |
| msdisme | Some History: in 2012 Boston University, Harvard University, MIT, Northeastern University, and The University of Massachusetts, in partnership with the state of Massachusetts, Dell EMC, and CISCO , completed the Massachusetts Green High Performance Computing Center (https://www.mghpcc.org/) in Holyoke, Massachusetts. | 21:10 |
| msdisme | The MGHPCC is a LEED Platinum Certified 30 megawatt data center with high speed fiber connections. 90% of the energy used to run the data center is from carbon free resources. | 21:10 |
| msdisme | MOC: In 2014 PI’s Orran Krieger and Peter Desnoyers create the Mass Open Cloud (MOC) is a project to explore an alternative model to the traditional public cloud. We call it an Open Cloud eXchange (OCX) - where many stakeholders can participate in implementing and operating a shared cloud. The project, initially funded in 2015 by a $3M seed grant from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, along with | 21:11 |
| msdisme | investments by industry partners, has demonstrated that it is viable to create an alternative to today’s public clouds that is more economical for academic institutions, that offers a rich set of open source services, and that enables broad industry and research participation. | 21:11 |
| msdisme | One thing that became clear is that standing up even a small scale commercial cloud is HARD. Running it is HARD. Discussions with our partners (Intel, Red Hat and Two Sigma) led to discussions with the Openstack Foundation, which led to Open Infra Labs. | 21:11 |
| msdisme | We think of the constellation of projects around the MOC and OI Las as an Open Cloud Initiative and it consists of: | 21:11 |
| msdisme | The MOC (massopen.cloud) | 21:11 |
| msdisme | Openinfralabs.org and an associated gitlab repository where we are gathering sample code as well as epics an user stories around the first iteration of OI Labs to support the MOC and the New England Research Cloud (a partnership between BU, Harvard and the State of Massachusetts) to build a cloud based on the OI Labs scripts. | 21:11 |
| msdisme | The NSF “Open Cloud Testbed” (OCT) project will build and support a testbed for research and experimentation into new cloud platforms – the underlying software that provides cloud services to applications. Testbeds such as OCT are critical for enabling research into new cloud technologies – research that requires experiments that potentially change the operation of the cloud itself. The OCT will | 21:11 |
| msdisme | combine proven software technologies from both the CloudLab and the Mass Open Cloud projects and make FPGA’s widely available to systems researchers, building on Intel’s generous donation of FPGA boards currently available on the MOC. | 21:11 |
| msdisme | And the Operate First Initiative The Operate First Initiative, an open effort with the MOC, OI Labs, Red Hat (and hopefully you!) is an effort to open source cloud operations at scale. One example is that the work being done to enable Operate First is occurring in the Open Infrastructure Labs git repository located at https://gitlab.com/open-infrastructure-labs. | 21:11 |
| jmlowe | My major challenge is trying to figure out a sane way to do full bandwidth with native cephfs, I think I need to push the virtual routers into the switching gear with something like opendaylight or try to get everybody to add a second routed provider network at instance creation | 21:11 |
| msdisme | Whew, sorry | 21:11 |
| msdisme | The NERC (New England Research Cloud) is a partnership between Boston University and Harvard to create a research cloud with research facilitators and | 21:13 |
| jmlowe | This sounds like it might fill the gap left when Intel closed everything down | 21:13 |
| msdisme | a support staff - the MOC is a best effort sort of deal and the NERC will have somewhat more meaningful SLA's | 21:14 |
| jmlowe | specifically the OCT | 21:14 |
| oneswig | Is OCT for hardware testing or software testing or something else? | 21:14 |
| jmlowe | oneswig: The view from Bloomington today https://photos.app.goo.gl/e2GuBJw2VfSEQX2u5 | 21:15 |
| msdisme | it's based on https://cloudlab.us/ - meant to to allow reproducibility | 21:15 |
| msdisme | so you may get bare metal access and run your hw on it. | 21:16 |
| oneswig | That's cool. How is CloudLab implemented? Is it open source itself? | 21:17 |
| msdisme | and because cloudlab usage goes to 100% around paper deadlines we are looking at sharing hardware from the MOC andOCT depending on loads | 21:17 |
| msdisme | It is - looking for a link off their page | 21:18 |
| martial | CloudLab looks interesting too; they have FPGAs too it looks like | 21:18 |
| msdisme | the work we did on MOC for hardware sharing is moving into Ironic and Ansible as ESI (Elastic Secure Infrastructure) | 21:18 |
| jmlowe | The PI for cloudlab Robert Ricci sits on our advisory board | 21:19 |
| fungi | #link https://gitlab.flux.utah.edu/emulab | 21:20 |
| oneswig | What are the components of ESI? Sounds like it may have a good deal of alignment with Kayobe (also Ironic + Ansible) | 21:20 |
| jmlowe | fun fact, the arm test harness for ceph uses cloud lab | 21:20 |
| fungi | that's what they link to where it says "cloudlab is open source" on the main docs page anyway | 21:20 |
| oneswig | msdisme: how does CloudLab compare to the NSF Chameleon project? | 21:20 |
| oneswig | thanks fungi | 21:21 |
| jmlowe | Competing projects from the same directorate | 21:21 |
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| jmlowe | similar to the relationship between Jetstream and Bridges | 21:21 |
| msdisme | I'm probalby not qualified to compare them, but the PI's are generally pretty connected - (link hunting) | 21:22 |
| fungi | #link https://www.tacc.utexas.edu/systems/chameleon | 21:22 |
| fungi | (for reference) | 21:22 |
| fungi | saw some folks on stage at ocw mention chameleon and cloudlab in the same breath, anyway ;) | 21:22 |
| oneswig | also https://www.chameleoncloud.org/ | 21:23 |
| msdisme | we hosted Kate in 2018: https://www.bu.edu/rhcollab/2018/10/30/colloquium-chameleon-new-capabilities-for-experimental-computer-science/ | 21:23 |
| fungi | ahh, yep, that's a better link | 21:23 |
| jmlowe | Kate Keahey the PI for Chameleon also sits on our advisory board | 21:23 |
| oneswig | jmlowe: seems like you are exceedingly well advised :-) | 21:24 |
| fungi | oh, right, the renci folks are involved in chameleon too, basically in my old back yard | 21:24 |
| jmlowe | The NSF strongly suggested we get an advisory board, we did our best | 21:24 |
| msdisme | we have some great PI's | 21:25 |
| oneswig | I think Chameleon have an interesting take on network isolation including switches that support "network-slicing" OpenFlow. How does CloudLab approach multi-tenant network isolation? | 21:25 |
| msdisme | Jim - sorry I feel I should know, but what are the projects you are tied to? | 21:25 |
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| jmlowe | I keep Jetstream running | 21:26 |
| jmlowe | https://jetstream-cloud.org | 21:26 |
| msdisme | also, re. earlier ESI question - if you drop me a note with "ESI info" in the subject line I'll figure out a way to connect folks for a discussion | 21:26 |
| msdisme | Ahh - cool! | 21:26 |
| oneswig | I think rbudden is lurking, he's ex BRIDGES, as mentioned earlier | 21:27 |
| fungi | i recall larsks et al discussing the network isolation and control model for the esi proposal at ocw in a breakout one afternoon | 21:27 |
| jmlowe | I'm John Michael, odds are you probably know me as Mike | 21:27 |
| rbudden | @oneswig: ah yes, on another meeting, lurking, apologies | 21:28 |
| oneswig | fungi: we usually approach this using networking-generic-switch but that can limit your choice of switches. | 21:28 |
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| oneswig | rbudden: :-) | 21:28 |
| msdisme | in retrospect I should have grabbed the PI's for this - I'll grab an answer to the chameleon question and NW isolation question above | 21:28 |
| oneswig | msdisme: so MOC has been going for a good number of years now, when did OIL start? | 21:29 |
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| msdisme | one area we want to look at a lot this summer is how to connect Openstack and Openshift/Kube into the HPC billing systems - we know NSF is funding some work there and would love to make it part of O ILabs | 21:30 |
| martial | the rbudden? :) | 21:30 |
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| oneswig | msdisme: that sounds like xsede, if I've got my names right. In Europe we have something similar (caso) | 21:31 |
| deardooley | @msdisme are you thinking of a second tier charge for the orchestration service on top of the existing VM charge? | 21:32 |
| msdisme | ideally we'd want to tie to that eventually too - one of the real goal is federated clouds | 21:32 |
| fungi | oneswig: oilabs more or less formally started with announcements at ocw this year | 21:33 |
| fungi | #link https://massopen.cloud/events/2020-open-cloud-workshop | 21:33 |
| fungi | though there were discussions leading up to that | 21:33 |
| msdisme | For MOC figuring out a payment model has been a nightmare because the silos within openstack/kube think of things differently so in general it's a "free" userbase. NERC will need to be much more tied to costs | 21:33 |
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| msdisme | (which was me ducking a questin :-) ) | 21:34 |
| oneswig | MOC has had a few years to figure this out though, right? :-) | 21:34 |
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| deardooley | there's a whole community of startups addressing that right now. It winds up becoming an issue of metric granularity in k8s/openshift. | 21:35 |
| oneswig | I think it's an interesting idea that you could get your VMs and your Cinder volumes from different vendors in the same cloud, and pay separate bills for each | 21:35 |
| deardooley | I'm interested in understanding who pays for the "dead" time when the system is up, but no workloads are running. | 21:36 |
| oneswig | Who can use OIL resources? I assume it isn't universal. | 21:36 |
| msdisme | we did, we spent a ton of time on various models and various ways to capture usage - like Edison we learned a tremendous number of ways to NOT do it. | 21:36 |
| deardooley | k8s has their storageclass primitive to address that. does cinder have a concept of block storage QoS or multiple backends? | 21:37 |
| oneswig | deardooley: yes, it does support those | 21:38 |
| msdisme | I think of OIL as a place to create opinionated scripts for setting up and runnng (monitoring ) a cloud so that the day 3, 5, 100 are simpler. | 21:38 |
| deardooley | link? | 21:38 |
| msdisme | and the goal is for them to be available to any/everyone | 21:38 |
| oneswig | msdisme: how is the cloud infra deployed and what form do those scripts take today? | 21:39 |
| msdisme | openinfralabs.org (currently pretty static page with links to mailing list and IRC) | 21:39 |
| msdisme | https://gitlab.com/open-infrastructure-labs is a currently very sparse repository for droppng off samples | 21:40 |
| deardooley | lol. ok, didn't know if that was the same acronym, or if OI referenced a resource description language of some kind. | 21:40 |
| rbudden | @deardooley we deploy Cinder with multibackend | 21:40 |
| msdisme | eg. a group at RH is dropping off their monitoring scripts | 21:40 |
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| msdisme | MOC will be contributing our adjutant based onboarding and microservice to onboard for Kube/Openshift | 21:41 |
| jmlowe | You still can't quota individual cinder backends can you? | 21:41 |
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| rbudden | https://docs.openstack.org/cinder/latest/admin/blockstorage-multi-backend.html | 21:41 |
| oneswig | msdisme: is that the "service assurance framework" or something else? | 21:41 |
| msdisme | Operate First is doing their work in the same repository and will begin holding meeting s via IRC in the next few weeks | 21:42 |
| rbudden | @jmlowe not that I am aware of | 21:42 |
| jmlowe | that's unfortuante | 21:42 |
| deardooley | I'd be more interested in how you'd enforce qos guarantees on the different backends. | 21:42 |
| fungi | msdisme: oh, wow, this is the first time i've seen anyone mention they're using adjutant... that's awesome! | 21:42 |
| msdisme | it simplified SO much - Knikolla is working with them around future wishlist | 21:43 |
| oneswig | Not heard of that, is it like Comanage? | 21:43 |
| msdisme | This page includes links to most of the projects: https://massopen.cloud/connected-initiatives | 21:44 |
| fungi | #link https://docs.openstack.org/adjutant/ | 21:44 |
| fungi | oneswig: basically a business logic implementation framework service for openstack | 21:45 |
| oneswig | wow | 21:45 |
| knikolla | fungi: i think besides catalyst cloud, we're the only ones. | 21:45 |
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| fungi | yeah, they were the ones to start it | 21:46 |
| fungi | but i'm happy to see some uptake | 21:46 |
| msdisme | right now we use it for onboarding openstack users. As of next week we should have onboarding for openshift users on Intel and Power, and we're working with an intern on adding suport for quota requests | 21:46 |
| oneswig | msdisme: so is this project looking for others to get involved? | 21:47 |
| msdisme | Right now presentation is via horizon, will likely plug into the openondemand front end for Research Computing (no idea what that will take yet, but it seems logical) | 21:48 |
| msdisme | we absolutely are looking for others to get involved! | 21:49 |
| msdisme | We are gathering epics and user stories (still very sparse) at | 21:50 |
| fungi | #link https://openinfralabs.org/#get-involved | 21:50 |
| msdisme | https://gitlab.com/open-infrastructure-labs/nerc-architecture/-/boards | 21:50 |
| oneswig | We've got stewardship of 144 compute blades plus a small control plane, with the brief of doing good and open community things with them. Perhaps this is an option. | 21:51 |
| msdisme | the ESI tema is also pretty small | 21:51 |
| fungi | opendev has also been talking to knikolla about maybe running some test workloads in there, i know mordred has gotten some credentials to try out at least | 21:52 |
| msdisme | cool ! So part of the next month is going to be a requirements gathering around NERC - turns out some of the MOC corporate partners consulting groups have time and we want to use there expertise | 21:52 |
| oneswig | fungi: that was another option, seems appealing | 21:53 |
| msdisme | our expectation is that once NERC is running many of our research users will move there and we expect to have a lot of CI/CD opensource loads as well as (we hope) interesting hardware variants (eg. we have Power 9 and Intel, hoping to add some ARM and the like.( | 21:54 |
| msdisme | re. ESI - team small and would love some folks to get involved. | 21:54 |
| martial | it does sound very useful | 21:54 |
| fungi | small team but full of wicked smart folk | 21:55 |
| oneswig | Coincidentally I recently met up with a group running a Kolla-Ansible cloud with x86, ARM and POWER9 intermixed. | 21:55 |
| msdisme | The Operate First model has a good video/slide presentatin here from the Open Cloud Workshop: Welcome and Overview of Mass Open Cloud, Open Cloud Testbed, New England Research Cloud (NERC), OpenInfra Labs and Operate First – slides – video | 21:55 |
| msdisme | oops, lost links: | 21:55 |
| fungi | oneswig: that's a remarkably strange mix of architectures | 21:55 |
| oneswig | fungi: necessity is the mother of invention | 21:56 |
| msdisme | video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLWsORV4y9Y&feature=youtu.be | 21:56 |
| fungi | oneswig: unless you're running a research cloud i guess (or a processor zoo) | 21:56 |
| msdisme | slides: https://massopen.cloud/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/OpenCloudWorkshop2020-kickoff-1.pdf | 21:56 |
| oneswig | We've kind of overrun the agenda... | 21:57 |
| oneswig | Is that Orran Krieger speaking in the video? | 21:57 |
| msdisme | Operate first is here: https://massopen.cloud/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Autonomous-Open-Hybrid-Cloud-and-the-MOC-1.pdf | 21:57 |
| msdisme | yep | 21:57 |
| msdisme | yep r.e Orran | 21:58 |
| oneswig | I met him at OpenStack Tokyo. A memorable guy! :-) | 21:58 |
| oneswig | What is the connection between OIL and the OSF? | 21:59 |
| msdisme | actually it's a group of spearkers - I think Peter Desnoyer is there | 21:59 |
| oneswig | Ah, we are out of time - final closing comments please | 22:00 |
| msdisme | It's a project hosted by OI Labs - | 22:00 |
| msdisme | thanks everyone -very excited to see that the work we are doing resonates. I will go through and look for questions I missed and figure out how to answer them :-) | 22:00 |
| fungi | osf is helping to represent oilabs, and provide some guidance on community formation et cetera | 22:01 |
| martial | thanks :) | 22:01 |
| oneswig | Thanks for coming along, a very stimulating discussion | 22:01 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 28 22:01:43 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-04-28-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-04-28-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
| oneswig | Until next time :-) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-04-28-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
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