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| ricolin | Multi-Arch SIG Meeting in 30 mins at #openstack-meeting-alt | 07:27 |
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| ricolin | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Multi-Arch-agenda | 07:27 |
| ricolin | Feel free to join :) | 07:27 |
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| joxyuki | #startmeeting tacker | 08:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 18 08:02:55 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joxyuki. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 08:03 |
| joxyuki | #topic Roll call | 08:03 |
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| keiko-k | hello | 08:04 |
| joxyuki | hi keiko-k | 08:05 |
| hyunsikyang | Hi | 08:07 |
| hyunsikyang | keiko-k | 08:07 |
| hyunsikyang | and Jo | 08:07 |
| keiko-k | hello | 08:07 |
| joxyuki | hi | 08:07 |
| joxyuki | let's start. | 08:09 |
| joxyuki | #topic spec | 08:09 |
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| joxyuki | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/591866/ | 08:10 |
| joxyuki | it almost looks good. I can put +2. | 08:10 |
| joxyuki | I can put +2 soon after this meeting. | 08:11 |
| joxyuki | and series of implementation patches are being uploaded. | 08:11 |
| keiko-k | Thanks | 08:12 |
| joxyuki | I will start to review them except WIP patches. | 08:13 |
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| joxyuki | next,,, | 08:13 |
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| joxyuki | hyunsikyang, do you have anything to talk about your patches? | 08:14 |
| joxyuki | hi, takahashi-tsc | 08:14 |
| hyunsikyang | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/674761/ | 08:14 |
| hyunsikyang | I replied your comment. | 08:14 |
| takahashi-tsc | Hello, sorry for late. | 08:14 |
| hyunsikyang | Please see check it again. | 08:14 |
| hyunsikyang | IMO, now tacker doesn't have testing for C-VNf. | 08:15 |
| hyunsikyang | ANYWAY, Please see my comment. | 08:15 |
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| hyunsikyang | I hope this pathck will merge at this stage. | 08:15 |
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| joxyuki | ok, I will check it. | 08:17 |
| hyunsikyang | thanks | 08:18 |
| joxyuki | I think we can remain tests for kubernetes driver for future work. | 08:18 |
| hyunsikyang | YES. It also good Idea | 08:18 |
| joxyuki | next, | 08:19 |
| hyunsikyang | In this round, I want to merge two patches.. and staring another one:) | 08:19 |
| joxyuki | noted. | 08:20 |
| joxyuki | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/700167/ | 08:20 |
| joxyuki | takahashi-tsc, do you have anythink to talk about your spec? | 08:21 |
| takahashi-tsc | I think remaining topic is "constraint", I'm checking my spec and existing code of "Alarming". | 08:23 |
| joxyuki | yeah, parameters under "condition" are not clear for me also. | 08:25 |
| takahashi-tsc | I reply the comment later. In my understanding, "constraint" in Alarming definition is just description, and actual constraint should defined as other attributes. | 08:25 |
| takahashi-tsc | https://github.com/openstack/heat-translator/blob/2ceec3b348bb034935284033bde3c3be51f54651/translator/hot/tosca/tosca_policies_monitoring.py#L67 | 08:25 |
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| takahashi-tsc | I will consider the definition of event alarm based on the above. | 08:26 |
| joxyuki | umm..., it looks bit strange. | 08:27 |
| joxyuki | But if you think that code is feasible, I don't care about it anymore. | 08:28 |
| takahashi-tsc | I agree... I think we should also change current metric alarming definition... | 08:28 |
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| joxyuki | ok | 08:28 |
| joxyuki | next https://review.opendev.org/#/c/696819/ | 08:30 |
| joxyuki | PTL already put +2. If you have a time, please review it. Any comments and queries are welcome. | 08:31 |
| joxyuki | next... | 08:31 |
| joxyuki | #topic python3 | 08:32 |
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| joxyuki | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/703579/ | 08:32 |
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| joxyuki | Tomi reported a trouble on installing tacker-horizon on python3. | 08:32 |
| hyunsikyang | Yes. I got same error. | 08:32 |
| joxyuki | As you can see discussions on the patch, work around for this problems is changing /usr/bin/python simlink to python3. | 08:33 |
| joxyuki | please be aware of this work around. | 08:33 |
| hyunsikyang | yes. It also one of the solution. | 08:33 |
| joxyuki | hyunsikyang, do you think we should merge this patch instead of changing the simlink? | 08:35 |
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| hyunsikyang | umm... I think this patch can solve this problem temporary... | 08:36 |
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| hyunsikyang | Now in master | 08:38 |
| hyunsikyang | version, | 08:38 |
| hyunsikyang | python3 is default. | 08:38 |
| hyunsikyang | So, It make a pytone3 env when it install... but only this manage.py make a error. | 08:39 |
| joxyuki | Yes, we only support python3 so we can merge it. | 08:39 |
| hyunsikyang | IMO, There is another bug. | 08:39 |
| joxyuki | What bug? | 08:41 |
| hyunsikyang | Just Guess | 08:42 |
| hyunsikyang | Bucause only mange.py make a error. | 08:42 |
| hyunsikyang | If you are ok, I think it needs for current error.:) | 08:43 |
| joxyuki | Actually I got the same error caused by script in neutron during devstack installation. | 08:44 |
| hyunsikyang | is it also python3 problem? | 08:45 |
| joxyuki | Yes. Regarding these errors, it depends on your python2 environment whether errors occur of not. | 08:45 |
| joxyuki | s/of/or/ | 08:46 |
| joxyuki | If your python2 environemnt satisfies requirements of an script, you won't get a error. | 08:47 |
| joxyuki | So, what I am saying is that we may get these errors dpending on python2 environemnt even if we merge the patch. | 08:48 |
| joxyuki | To solve this, all shebang, including other project, need to be changed to python3 from python. | 08:49 |
| joxyuki | This is why I recommend the work around for now. | 08:50 |
| hyunsikyang | I don't know what project use pythone2 until now... , but if we think that pythone3 is default, it is now problem even we change shebang of the manage.py. | 08:51 |
| hyunsikyang | Can we test it again with this patch? | 08:52 |
| hyunsikyang | and it doesn't make a error, we can use it workaround solution. What do u think? | 08:52 |
| hyunsikyang | or just abandon it and change the link.. now chaos of version of python.kkk | 08:54 |
| joxyuki | what do you mean "we can use it workaroud solution"? | 08:55 |
| hyunsikyang | this patch if it doesn't make a error. | 08:56 |
| joxyuki | I think we should abondone this patch for now. But if the all community starts to change shebang, I will re-open it. | 08:58 |
| hyunsikyang | Okie:) | 08:58 |
| hyunsikyang | thank your for your concern! | 08:58 |
| joxyuki | not at all. | 08:58 |
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| joxyuki | time is running out. close the meeting. thanks team! | 08:59 |
| takahashi-tsc | Thanks | 08:59 |
| hyunsikyang | see you:) | 08:59 |
| joxyuki | #endmeeting | 08:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 08:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 18 08:59:22 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2020/tacker.2020-02-18-08.02.html | 08:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2020/tacker.2020-02-18-08.02.txt | 08:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2020/tacker.2020-02-18-08.02.log.html | 08:59 |
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| ricolin | #startmeeting self_healing | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 18 14:00:45 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ricolin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: self_healing)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'self_healing' | 14:00 |
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| ricolin | FYI I just send out the merge request earlier | 14:03 |
| ricolin | opendev/irc-meetings master: Rename meeting name for Automation SIG https://review.opendev.org/708384 | 14:03 |
| ricolin | openstack/governance master: Collect Automation SIG repos https://review.opendev.org/708382 | 14:03 |
| ricolin | openstack/governance-sigs master: Merge Auto-scaling SIG and Self-healing SIG https://review.opendev.org/708381 | 14:03 |
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| ricolin | Assume the next meeting will be host under Automation SIG | 14:03 |
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| ricolin | Won't expect to change to much | 14:04 |
| witek | hi, sorry, I always forget the meeting is in this channel | 14:04 |
| ricolin | witek, NP:) | 14:04 |
| ricolin | witek, you're testing with https://review.opendev.org/700886 ? | 14:05 |
| witek | yes, I've set up own environment | 14:05 |
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| witek | but all the test run just fine | 14:05 |
| witek | I haven't managed to reproduce the issue | 14:06 |
| witek | now experimenting with the plugin installation sequence | 14:06 |
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| ricolin | witek, I wonder if we can call v2 client directly and avoid dynamic import from heat | 14:07 |
| ricolin | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/700970 | 14:07 |
| witek | yes, I think that's the only working solution right now | 14:08 |
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| ricolin | okay, then I will resolved the unit tests later | 14:09 |
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| witek | is TC planning any community goal around unifying clients? | 14:09 |
| ricolin | witek, not that I know | 14:10 |
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| witek | ok | 14:10 |
| ricolin | plan to propose one? | 14:10 |
| witek | no, I recall there were some discussions around that in Shanghai or Denver | 14:11 |
| ricolin | witek, I think it was not official goal because it need more works to become a community-wide goal | 14:12 |
| ricolin | IIRC | 14:12 |
| ricolin | I don't think anyone volunteer to push it forward | 14:13 |
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| witek | got it, just wanted to check | 14:14 |
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| ricolin | witek, I get a Bad Request error when I depends on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/700970/10 in https://review.opendev.org/#/c/700886/11 | 14:16 |
| * witek checking logs | 14:18 | |
| * ricolin thinking maybe got something to do with new patch dependency | 14:21 | |
| ricolin | Okay, there's no need to keep the meeting time running, we can end the meeting and discuss in openstack-auto-scaling :) | 14:23 |
| ricolin | #endmeeting | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:23 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 18 14:23:35 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/self_healing/2020/self_healing.2020-02-18-14.00.html | 14:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/self_healing/2020/self_healing.2020-02-18-14.00.txt | 14:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/self_healing/2020/self_healing.2020-02-18-14.00.log.html | 14:23 |
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| ricolin | #startmeeting multi_arch | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 18 15:00:05 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ricolin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'multi_arch' | 15:00 |
| ricolin | #topic roll call | 15:00 |
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| ricolin | o/ | 15:00 |
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| rh-jelabarre | o/ | 15:02 |
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| ricolin | hi rh-jelabarre :) | 15:02 |
| rh-jelabarre | hello | 15:02 |
| ricolin | how's everything! | 15:02 |
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| rh-jelabarre | trying to get my head around how to integrate my work with jenkins or zuul, etc | 15:04 |
| rh-jelabarre | since I seem to have the basic deploys working repeatably, it's time to expand coverage | 15:05 |
| ricolin | dive in the world of zuul:) | 15:05 |
| ricolin | if that's works on community feel free to update on https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/openstack/multi-arch-sig | 15:07 |
| ricolin | if multi-arch related:) | 15:07 |
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| ricolin | some quick update on SIG, current ARM env is working, and there's some test job work in progress as we recorded under https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/openstack/multi-arch-sig | 15:09 |
| ricolin | like devstack job template, nova job, openstack cloud provider support, etc | 15:10 |
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| ricolin | the init repo patch is finally out | 15:11 |
| ricolin | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/708057/ | 15:11 |
| ricolin | should expect it to merge any time soon | 15:11 |
| ricolin | after that, we can start put in docs like tasks from https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2007253 | 15:12 |
| ricolin | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/708317/ looks failed:( | 15:13 |
| ricolin | looks like some works to do for devstack support | 15:13 |
| ricolin | I mean fully support | 15:13 |
| ricolin | feel free to dive-in in detail in log http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/multi_arch/2020/multi_arch.2020-02-18-08.00.log.html | 15:15 |
| ricolin | rh-jelabarre, anything you would like to discuss about? | 15:15 |
| rh-jelabarre | nothing today | 15:15 |
| ricolin | jeremyfreudberg is not join us today, I will catch up with him later | 15:16 |
| rh-jelabarre | I wonder if everyone else is meeting up with the IBM staff this week | 15:16 |
| ricolin | rh-jelabarre, possible! | 15:17 |
| ricolin | will send ML for SIG update later | 15:18 |
| ricolin | if nothing else, let's end this meeting:) | 15:18 |
| ricolin | #action everyone please update/add story in https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/openstack/multi-arch-sig | 15:19 |
| ricolin | thanks rh-jelabarre :) | 15:19 |
| ricolin | #endmeeting | 15:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 18 15:19:33 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/multi_arch/2020/multi_arch.2020-02-18-15.00.html | 15:19 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/multi_arch/2020/multi_arch.2020-02-18-15.00.log.html | 15:19 |
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| clarkb | we will begin the weekly infra meeting shortly | 19:00 |
| fungi | i'm on the edge of my seat ;) | 19:00 |
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| fungi | you can probably see me shiver with antici...pation | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 18 19:01:25 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2020-February/006601.html Our Agenda | 19:01 |
| clarkb | We've got a fairly large agenda today so we may push forward through some topics. In particular I'd like to make sure we have time to discuss pip and virtualenv | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| clarkb | I've got early meetings for half the day the next two days. I don't expect to be properly around during that | 19:02 |
| diablo_rojo | o/ | 19:02 |
| fungi | same for me | 19:03 |
| fungi | though they're later in my day | 19:03 |
| clarkb | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:04 | |
| clarkb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2020/infra.2020-02-11-19.01.txt minutes from last meeting | 19:04 |
| clarkb | There were no recorded actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
| clarkb | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:04 | |
| clarkb | #topic OpenDev | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenDev (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:05 | |
| clarkb | Diving right in | 19:05 |
| clarkb | I did update the openstack governance change after our discussion here last week | 19:05 |
| clarkb | thatshould be good to go I think and diablo_rojo has +1'd it | 19:05 |
| clarkb | we are just waiting on TC review now? | 19:05 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/705804/ Upgrade Gitea to 1.10.3 | 19:06 |
| clarkb | it would be good to review and land ^ if it is ready. I think keeping up with gitea is important so that we can deploy the commit cache as soon as it and we are ready | 19:06 |
| clarkb | I can help monitor that today if we get it landed | 19:07 |
| clarkb | mordred: ^ anything new on that topic? | 19:07 |
| mordred | nope. I can also help monitor. it's ready go to | 19:07 |
| mordred | I have not yet updated the v1.11 patch with template changes, but it's also marked WIP | 19:07 |
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| clarkb | #topic Update Config Management | 19:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Update Config Management (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:09 | |
| clarkb | I don't think there has been much new here recently. Anyone have anything to add on this topic? | 19:09 |
| mordred | no - I'm on a new tangent with gerrit now | 19:10 |
| mordred | we need to redo the image build jobs because the bazel sitch has gotten more complex than we can currently handle | 19:10 |
| clarkb | this is what bazelisk would help with? | 19:11 |
| mordred | luckily, corvus has already written the new stuff over in gerrit's gerrit | 19:11 |
| mordred | yeah | 19:11 |
| fungi | that' | 19:11 |
| fungi | s convenient, i guess | 19:11 |
| corvus | i'm going to propose some stuff to zuul-jobs today (i meant to yesterday but ran out of time) | 19:11 |
| mordred | so the plan is to port in the stuff from that change series into zuul-jobs so we can make use of it - and maybe to add zuul/jobs from gerritreview so we can get the gerrit job directly | 19:11 |
| mordred | then have the image build job just copy the locally built war into the image | 19:12 |
| mordred | also - review-dev.openstack.org SHOULD be a decent redirect alias for review-dev.opendev.org but I'm getting the self-signed-cert warning and I haven't looked in to that yet | 19:12 |
| corvus | mordred: i just tried it and got redirected without warning -- do you have a hosts entry? | 19:13 |
| mordred | I don't - but maybe my browser cached something? | 19:13 |
| corvus | (do i have a hosts entry? no i don't) | 19:13 |
| mordred | yeah - I'm getting a cert without the alt name for review-dev.openstack.org | 19:14 |
| mordred | but if it's working for you - maybe shrug? | 19:14 |
| clarkb | the cert I see is for review-dev.opendev.org | 19:14 |
| clarkb | and so hitting review-dev.openstack.org makes ff sad | 19:15 |
| corvus | maybe i cached a redirect? | 19:15 |
| mordred | yeah. that's what I'm seeing | 19:15 |
| fungi | firefox gives me a really bizarre warning about the site not supporting encryption | 19:15 |
| fungi | but then says it's verified by let's encrypt | 19:15 |
| mordred | maybe the apache handler didn't fire | 19:15 |
| fungi | yeah, i'd first see if apache wasn't reloaded or has a stale worker from before the reload | 19:15 |
| ianw | fwiw i see what corvus sees, straight to opendev.org ... | 19:16 |
| clarkb | ianw: corvus maybe you are starting with http not https | 19:16 |
| ianw | ahh, yes | 19:16 |
| corvus | oh probably | 19:16 |
| mordred | yes - http://review-dev.openstack.org redirects cleanly | 19:16 |
| corvus | yep | 19:16 |
| mordred | https://review-dev.openstack.org doesn't | 19:16 |
| fungi | on closer inspection, firefox reports "Error code: SSL_ERROR_BAD_CERT_DOMAIN" | 19:17 |
| mordred | I'm betting there's an apache handler misfire | 19:17 |
| fungi | Unable to communicate securely with peer: requested domain name does not match the server’s certificate. | 19:17 |
| fungi | and yeah, i have subject altnames for review-dev.opendev.org and review-dev01.opendev.org with a cn of review-dev.opendev.org so no review-dev.openstack.org | 19:18 |
| mordred | anybody want to debug anything further other than trying a graceful on apache to see if it gets it? | 19:18 |
| fungi | seems it was issued 2020-02-05 18:22:30 utc | 19:18 |
| mordred | which is when the apache process last started | 19:19 |
| clarkb | mordred: nope, but if you aren't getting the right name after a restart then double check the acme.sh logs | 19:19 |
| fungi | er, that was 18:22:20 utc if it matters, i mistyepd | 19:19 |
| clarkb | it may not be validating review-dev.openstack.org or not even attempting to get that name | 19:19 |
| mordred | oh - interesting | 19:19 |
| mordred | we have a new .csr and new .conf - but not a new .cer | 19:19 |
| mordred | the .cer on disk is from feb 5 | 19:19 |
| mordred | so maybe the LE code saw a .cer already and didn't get a new one? | 19:20 |
| mordred | anyway - I guess we can troubleshoot this after the meeting :) | 19:20 |
| clarkb | ya that could be a bug in our side too where if the names list changes we don't catch that | 19:20 |
| ianw | http://paste.openstack.org/show/789725/ is where it changed | 19:20 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:20 |
| clarkb | lets move on | 19:20 |
| mordred | we're _really_ close to review-dev being solid | 19:20 |
| clarkb | #topic General topics | 19:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General topics (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:20 | |
| clarkb | a friendly reminder that I've been asked if we plan to attend the vancouver ptg | 19:21 |
| clarkb | so far I've had a very lukewarm maybe from mordred :) | 19:21 |
| clarkb | I have until the end of the month to respond. Please let me know if you would like to go or think it likely that you will be going and working on infra things is on your agenda | 19:22 |
| fungi | oh, yep, i'll be around... is there somewhere to officially declare our availability? | 19:22 |
| clarkb | fungi: no I was just keeping it informal. Would a etherpad poll like corvus did for zuul help? | 19:22 |
| clarkb | if so I can send that out to the infra lst after the meeting | 19:22 |
| corvus | i plan on going | 19:22 |
| fungi | yeah, i probably was just experiencing fosdem hangover and missed the opportunity to let you know i'd be present | 19:23 |
| clarkb | ok so thats ~4 ish if mordred decides that planes are acceptable again :) | 19:23 |
| clarkb | I think that is enough to put in for some time. Thanks | 19:24 |
| clarkb | (and if others plan to be there still let me know as that helps with room sizing requests) | 19:24 |
| corvus | vancouver is totally road-trippable. mordred can pick me up on the way. | 19:24 |
| clarkb | ha | 19:24 |
| mordred | corvus: you probably won't fit in the car with the drysuits | 19:25 |
| clarkb | mordred: what if he wears the drysuits | 19:25 |
| corvus | how many would i have to wear? | 19:25 |
| mordred | clarkb: that would be an uncomfortable car ride :) | 19:25 |
| clarkb | Next up is trusty upgrades | 19:26 |
| clarkb | I think we're still in a holding pattern for refstack (I need to follow up with foudnation side to see if they got any movement) | 19:26 |
| clarkb | fungi: any progress on the wiki? | 19:26 |
| fungi | nope | 19:27 |
| clarkb | ianw: I think static.o.o has made progress. What is next? | 19:28 |
| clarkb | I checked out tarballs.openstack.org using an /etc/hosts entry and it seemed to work with the new server | 19:28 |
| ianw | if everyone is happy that /afs/openstack.org/project/tarballs.opendev.org is keeping sync, then it's a matter of switching dns entries for the host | 19:29 |
| ianw | then we can remove publishing to the static server | 19:29 |
| ianw | i'm out on pto today, maybe my tomorrow we could do this? | 19:29 |
| clarkb | ianw: I guess double check recent releases (last 24 hours) for openstack and see that the artifacts ended up in afs too? | 19:29 |
| clarkb | I don't think there is a rush. tomorrow should be fine | 19:29 |
| ianw | oh, and a quick change to the zuul publishing jobs to move them from /afs/openstack.org/project/opendev.org/tarballs to /afs/openstack.org/project/tarballs.opendev.org | 19:30 |
| ianw | and a sanity rsync | 19:30 |
| clarkb | ianw: on the agenda you'd noted that there were redirects and other publishing sites to do. At this point I imagine that is pretty cookiecutter? Is there anything we can help with? | 19:31 |
| ianw | umm, well there's still the service-types site, i haven't looked at that | 19:31 |
| ianw | and if we're still going with a haproxy for redirects then https://review.opendev.org/#/c/677903/ | 19:31 |
| clarkb | is that the thing that publishes a simple json blob? | 19:31 |
| ianw | which has gone into merge conflict, i can update | 19:32 |
| clarkb | mordred: ^ you probably know about service-types site if there is anything to keep in mind for that | 19:32 |
| fungi | i do still wonder why we bother to install a separate haproxy to do something that an apache we're already running can do just as easily, but i'm not vested enough in that to argue further | 19:32 |
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| ianw | well that was the spec plan, but if we're having second thoughts i'm open to discussion | 19:33 |
| clarkb | The main motivation was simpler config? | 19:33 |
| clarkb | making it easier for more than just openstack to set up similar potentially? | 19:33 |
| fungi | i had second thoughts on the spec plan when it was proposed, but was willing to cede since others apparently felt it was easier | 19:34 |
| ianw | maybe that it's falling out to fairly straight forward config files, not wrapped behind layers of puppet and templating it remains simple enough | 19:34 |
| clarkb | ya I think I'm still ok with it. We run it elsewhere and have reasonable experience with the tool | 19:34 |
| clarkb | it is not like adding a cimpletely new tool for something apache could do | 19:34 |
| mordred | clarkb: service-types is just a static site - it's openstack specific - but it just wants to be there and doesn't change super frequently | 19:34 |
| fungi | remember that a redirect only really needs an alias and a rewrite or redirect rule (which could be in a .htaccess file even) | 19:35 |
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| fungi | if we serve the redirects from the same server as the content, they could just be transparent rewrites too | 19:35 |
| clarkb | fungi: it needs a full vhost too right? | 19:35 |
| clarkb | I guess you're saying with an alias we can ahve a single vhost for all the redirects | 19:35 |
| fungi | a redirect needs a full vhost, but not its own vhosty | 19:35 |
| fungi | you can stick as many domains in a vhost as you like | 19:35 |
| fungi | much like saying a redirect needs a full haproxy | 19:36 |
| fungi | you don't need to install a separate haproxy for every redirect any more than you need a separate apache vhost for each redirect | 19:36 |
| clarkb | right I'm just trying to think about what it looks like written down in config because that is where people will get lost if we try to make it easy for them | 19:36 |
| clarkb | and having a single vhost with a bunch of aliases and redirect rules probably isn't that bad. | 19:37 |
| ianw | note that in terms of what it looks like in haproxy, that is already worked on in https://review.opendev.org/#/c/678159/13/playbooks/roles/service-lb/templates/haproxy.cfg.j2 | 19:37 |
| fungi | i honestly have no idea what an haproxy redirect config looks like but i have a hard time imagining it being particularly more complex than an apache redirect or rewrite | 19:37 |
| clarkb | oh right is it ssl that changes that? | 19:37 |
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| fungi | ahh, thanks for the example | 19:37 |
| clarkb | it forces us to do a single cert for all the names or split vhosts iirc | 19:38 |
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| fungi | don't we do that with letsencrypt anyway? | 19:39 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya, I'm thinking in the theoretical future when its more than just static.o.o sites doing that (potentially) | 19:39 |
| clarkb | for now I think its fine | 19:39 |
| clarkb | its possible that zuul and openstack won't want to share ssl certs | 19:39 |
| clarkb | (but maybe that is also ok) | 19:40 |
| fungi | also i don't see where the haproxy example tells it what ssl certs to use for which sites either | 19:40 |
| ianw | none of those existing sites have any ssl | 19:40 |
| ianw | so it's not covered there | 19:40 |
| fungi | the amount of boilerplate in the haproxy config is about the same as the amount of boilerplate for an apache vhost either | 19:40 |
| clarkb | ah that explains it | 19:40 |
| clarkb | we are only doing http to https redirection so the ssl concern is not really applicable (for now) | 19:41 |
| clarkb | I'd like to keep moving so that we have time to discuss pip and virtualenv | 19:41 |
| clarkb | we should be able to sort thorugh this further in -infra and in review | 19:42 |
| fungi | given these are mostly for sites where we already run apache, wouldn't incorporating them into the apache config for the sites to which they're redirecting actually be simpler anyway? | 19:42 |
| fungi | but yeah, we can defer discussion to later | 19:42 |
| clarkb | next up was a quick update on the new airship citycloud cloud resources | 19:42 |
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| clarkb | I've got grafana sorted out there and it seems to largely be happy. I can't tell if roman_g has managed to successfully use the larger resources yet though | 19:43 |
| clarkb | Last I saw the cloud was unable to find hypervisros to schedule to. | 19:43 |
| clarkb | Mostly a heads up that you may have to double check nodepool logs for nova errors if there are subsequent failures | 19:43 |
| clarkb | And that takes us to pip and virtualenv | 19:43 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.opendev.org/707499 pip and virtualenv discussion in comments | 19:43 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.opendev.org/707513 use venv for glean | 19:44 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.opendev.org/707750 use venv in project-config elements; drop pip-and-virtualenv inclusion from element and move to individual configs; add node type with no pip-and-virtualenv. this can be used for job testing. | 19:44 |
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| clarkb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pTFF4U9Klz Captures the problem and brainstorming around it | 19:44 |
| clarkb | ianw has suggested an idea that I think mordred and I are fans of | 19:45 |
| clarkb | we can use python3 -m venv consistently on all the images we build to install python utilities like glean, os-testr, and bindep | 19:45 |
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| mordred | ++ | 19:45 |
| clarkb | that avoids having a system level pip and virtualenv context | 19:45 |
| clarkb | Then at a job level we can run get-pip.py or system package pip installation depending on what the job context demands | 19:46 |
| mordred | yeah | 19:46 |
| clarkb | this will require some changes to assumptions in our jobs, but we should be able to mask over that with base job updates | 19:46 |
| clarkb | and then slowly peel back (I don't actually know what that looks like but it should be possible to do this without too much breakage and pain) | 19:46 |
| fungi | i doubt it will be as painful and drawn out as the thick images to bindep transition | 19:47 |
| clarkb | it would be helpful if others can review the notes and changes and point out any flaws with the ideas presented | 19:47 |
| ianw | note 707750 keeps the images as is, but adds a ubuntu-bionic-plain (or something) that we can use as a test node type | 19:48 |
| clarkb | but then I'm thinking we may want to formalize this into a spec so that we can communicate it relatively easily with our broad userbase | 19:48 |
| fungi | and yeah, the biggest hole in current use cases is that there's no way to avoid pip installing pip system-wide if you want to use pip to install other packages system-wide | 19:48 |
| clarkb | that way we can present the problem and plan succinctly in one place that gets sent out on the mailing list | 19:49 |
| fungi | pip in a virtualenv/venv can be used to install --local just fine though, and virtualenv in a venv or another virtualenv also works as we would want | 19:49 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya and I think that also reflects that "always install python from source" is becoming less important for the majority of our userbase | 19:50 |
| clarkb | and behaving more similarly to distro published images is becoming more important | 19:50 |
| fungi | you can also use python3 venv to install virtualenv, link that in your execution path, then use that to create a python2.7 virtualenv to install tox in, if you need tox defaulting to python2.7 | 19:50 |
| ianw | fungi: yep ... but that should definitely be in a base job, not in image build anyway | 19:51 |
| fungi | agreed | 19:51 |
| ianw | so we can definitely explore those avenues | 19:51 |
| clarkb | as for writing the spec I expect I can put time into that on friday. I guess let ianw and mordred and I know if there are concern with what is up so far and if not I/we can start writing based on that? | 19:52 |
| clarkb | ianw: mordred ^ does that make sense to you | 19:52 |
| mordred | yah | 19:52 |
| ianw | ++ | 19:52 |
| clarkb | Great that gives us a path to move forward on | 19:53 |
| clarkb | The last topic we have was put up by zbr around third party ci logging recommendations | 19:53 |
| clarkb | we actually discussed this yseterday and this change was a result | 19:53 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/708323/ improvements landing here | 19:53 |
| zbr | already sorted the guidelines, and thanks for the help. | 19:53 |
| clarkb | it basically says that compressing files is ok as they get large (because browsers can't render them effectively in many cases), but we should try to ensure important logs are avialable without extra effort | 19:54 |
| clarkb | and that gives us ~5 minutes for anything else | 19:54 |
| clarkb | #topic Open Discussion | 19:54 |
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| zbr | is still have one question for free topic, i want to improve testing of zuul-jobs roles to test them with centos-8 | 19:54 |
| zbr | based on current setup, this would require adding extra jobs, if I have your support I will start doing that. | 19:55 |
| corvus | zbr: have you read https://zuul-ci.org/docs/zuul-jobs/policy.html#testing ? | 19:55 |
| corvus | especially the last paragraph | 19:55 |
| corvus | and the "all-platforms" tag | 19:56 |
| clarkb | I have no objection to adding more jobs to cover zuul-jobs more effectively | 19:56 |
| zbr | ahh, thanks for the hint. | 19:56 |
| corvus | yes, i also have no objection, and ^ can hopefully help do so efficiently | 19:56 |
| corvus | (if we just need to test something specifically on centos-8, that's fine, but most of those cases are also probably worth testing on all the platforms, so the tag might be best) | 19:56 |
| clarkb | agreed particularly with the python switch between 7 and 8 | 19:57 |
| clarkb | that has the potential to have broad impact and 7 tests won't catch those issues | 19:57 |
| zbr | creating jobs is not a goal by itself, i will follow these guidelines. | 19:57 |
| clarkb | Sounds like that may be it. Thank you everyone | 19:59 |
| clarkb | we'll see you here next week | 19:59 |
| fungi | thanks clarkb! | 19:59 |
| clarkb | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 18 19:59:10 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2020/infra.2020-02-18-19.01.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2020/infra.2020-02-18-19.01.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2020/infra.2020-02-18-19.01.log.html | 19:59 |
| zbr | thanks! | 19:59 |
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| martial | Hello people :) | 21:00 |
| b1airo | o/ | 21:00 |
| martial | Hey Blair :) | 21:00 |
| martial | #startmeeting Scientific-SIG | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 18 21:00:51 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is martial. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| janders | g'day | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 21:00 |
| janders | how are we? | 21:00 |
| martial | #chair b1airo | 21:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial | 21:01 |
| martial | Hi janders | 21:01 |
| b1airo | good thanks, yourself? | 21:01 |
| martial | Stig apologize but can not join us | 21:01 |
| b1airo | (i'm just finishing a video conf...) | 21:01 |
| martial | (unless that is changing) | 21:01 |
| janders | I'm good! :) | 21:01 |
| janders | I've got a conf call with Bright Computing in one hour | 21:01 |
| janders | keen to hear how they are going with kubernetes-based Bright | 21:02 |
| b1airo | oh yeah, are you going to tell them their OpenStack story sucks | 21:02 |
| janders | plus if that is still work in progress I need some hints how to make BCM more scalable and flexible | 21:02 |
| martial | a few things to discuss | 21:02 |
| martial | some of which were started in our slack | 21:02 |
| janders | haha! :) I told them a way back I like BCM-BCM but I will keep buying OpenStack subs from RHAT :) | 21:02 |
| martial | #topic oF proposal for ISC | 21:03 |
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| martial | doh | 21:03 |
| martial | #topic BoF proposal for ISC | 21:03 |
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| martial | b1airo championing this, with potentially Stig, Mike, Tim and myself present | 21:04 |
| martial | Mike (who is not here?) also has duties as part of the "SuperComp Cloud" workshop | 21:04 |
| martial | and I will be at the "High Performance Container" workshop as well | 21:05 |
| martial | b1airo? | 21:05 |
| martial | okay well, here we go for the topics to cover :) | 21:07 |
| b1airo | well, i think we tried last year, got a good review but it didn't get up | 21:07 |
| martial | (for our weekly at least) | 21:07 |
| b1airo | the proposals are due today, so thinking of just retrying last year's unless other suggestions... | 21:07 |
| martial | go for it | 21:07 |
| martial | (did not realize that deadline arrived so fast) | 21:08 |
| b1airo | i'm on panel for SuperCompCloud too. the container workshop sounds interesting - has it got a site or anything yet? | 21:08 |
| martial | like last year, should be up soon on qnib | 21:09 |
| martial | http://qnib.org/2019/06/20/isc2019-hpcw/ | 21:10 |
| martial | anything else? | 21:11 |
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| janders | I'm good :) unless you guys wanna chat about BCM challenges :) | 21:13 |
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| janders | (not very OpenStacky) | 21:14 |
| b1airo | on containers, did you see it looks like a time namespace is landing/landed | 21:14 |
| martial | ? | 21:14 |
| b1airo | in linux that is, so containers can have their own notion of base clock offset from host | 21:15 |
| b1airo | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Time-Namespace-In-Linux-5.6 | 21:16 |
| martial | That is cool, indeed | 21:17 |
| martial | janders: I can close the meeting and you can ask away unless we have any AOB> | 21:18 |
| martial | ? | 21:18 |
| janders | please go ahead | 21:18 |
| janders | thanks guys! | 21:18 |
| janders | we'll chat next week | 21:18 |
| martial | #endmeeting | 21:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 18 21:18:18 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-02-18-21.00.html | 21:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-02-18-21.00.txt | 21:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-02-18-21.00.log.html | 21:18 |
| b1airo | janders: what is your BCM challenge | 21:19 |
| janders | there are two main "kinds" | 21:19 |
| b1airo | i assume there is more than one :-) | 21:19 |
| janders | 1) upgrades involve very significant fiddling and downtime | 21:19 |
| janders | 2) version locking | 21:19 |
| janders | actually there's also 3) - because BCM tries to do everything on one node class, provisioning/monitoring can and does kill slurm occasionally | 21:19 |
| janders | 1) and 3) are somewhat related and side effects of the monolithic design | 21:20 |
| janders | what I'm told is it is possible to break out Slurm from the head nodes but that kills many of the slurm-managing smarts in BCM | 21:20 |
| janders | last time I spoke to them they were like "we're thinking moving to k8s and that should help solve most of these" | 21:21 |
| janders | I wanna know what's the state of this (suspicion: nowhere near ready, it's a big job) and I wanna know what can we do today thats already supported that can help the above challenges | 21:21 |
| janders | do you have any thoughts on those b1airo? | 21:21 |
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| b1airo | sounds familiar janders , though i don't have much to do with specifics of Bright ops day to day | 21:24 |
| b1airo | the Slurm integration is something we seem to have thrown out early on, possibly because of our multi-cluster setup | 21:25 |
| janders | I fixed up my SIG slack so we can move the discussion there if that's okay? | 21:25 |
| b1airo | sounds good janders | 21:25 |
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