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| slaweq | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jan 10 14:00:36 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| slaweq | hi | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
| amotoki | hi | 14:02 |
| slaweq | hi amotoki | 14:02 |
| amotoki | it looks like slower start than usual :) | 14:03 |
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| slaweq | for now there are only 2 of us so lets wait for others | 14:03 |
| slaweq | yeah | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | hi, sorry for the delay | 14:03 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: welcome | 14:03 |
| slaweq | lets wait 2 more minutes for haleyb and yamamoto, maybe they will join too | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | ok | 14:04 |
| amotoki | no worries. it seems we are recovering from the holiday weeks | 14:04 |
| haleyb | hi, was sitting here doing reviews | 14:04 |
| slaweq | hi haleyb :) | 14:04 |
| slaweq | ok, lets start as we have quorum already | 14:05 |
| slaweq | welcome back on drivers meetings in 2020 :) | 14:05 |
| slaweq | #topic RFEs | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:05 | |
| slaweq | we have couple of RFEs to discuss today | 14:05 |
| slaweq | let's start with easy one (I hope) | 14:06 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1843165 | 14:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1843165 in neutron "RFE: Adding support for direct ports with qos in ovs" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to waleed mousa (waleedm) | 14:06 |
| slaweq | this one seems preety simple, patch is already proposed also | 14:06 |
| slaweq | and amotoki even +2'ed this patch already | 14:06 |
| ralonsoh | (hi, sorry for being late) | 14:06 |
| amotoki | I forgot to check the RFE status :-( | 14:07 |
| slaweq | amotoki: no problem :) | 14:07 |
| slaweq | hi ralonsoh | 14:07 |
| slaweq | so I'm ok with this proposal and this patch also | 14:07 |
| slaweq | patch is here: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/611605/ | 14:08 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:08 |
| mlavalle | I am also ok with it. Just +2ed the patch | 14:09 |
| ralonsoh | is this QoS API for offloaded ports the same as OVS ones? | 14:09 |
| slaweq | maybe we should add some new sanity checks to check ovs and kernel version | 14:09 |
| slaweq | ralonsoh: from https://github.com/openvswitch/ovs/commit/e7f6ba220e10c0b560da097185514b6e33e2dc71 seems that it's the same | 14:10 |
| ralonsoh | yes, I was reading it | 14:10 |
| ralonsoh | perfect for me! | 14:10 |
| slaweq | You need to set ingress_policying_rate | 14:10 |
| ralonsoh | as regular OVS ports | 14:11 |
| * slaweq will be back in 1 minute | 14:11 | |
| ralonsoh | (actually is not qos, but policing) | 14:11 |
| ralonsoh | but is the same as with normal OVS ports now | 14:11 |
| ralonsoh | (I'll try to ask in my company for some HW with offload capabilities, to check this) | 14:12 |
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| amotoki | It looks like OVS provides the same abstraction for hw-offload ports | 14:12 |
| amotoki | so neutron support looks simple. | 14:12 |
| ralonsoh | sure! | 14:12 |
| slaweq | ok, I'm back | 14:13 |
| slaweq | amotoki: yes, from neutron pov it looks very simple | 14:13 |
| slaweq | so I think we can approve this rfe, or haleyb or amotoki have got any concerns? | 14:14 |
| haleyb | yes, +1 from me | 14:14 |
| amotoki | I'm fine with this proposal. ovs version needs to be clarified. | 14:14 |
| slaweq | ok, so I will approve it | 14:15 |
| slaweq | amotoki: where You would like to have clarified ovs version? in docs somewhere? | 14:15 |
| amotoki | sanity check or document would work | 14:15 |
| slaweq | ahh, ok | 14:16 |
| slaweq | I was thinking that You have something else in mind | 14:16 |
| slaweq | I will add note about that in rfe and patch review after the meeting | 14:16 |
| amotoki | cool | 14:16 |
| slaweq | thx, so one is done | 14:17 |
| slaweq | :) | 14:17 |
| slaweq | next one | 14:17 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1855854 | 14:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1855854 in neutron "[RFE] Dynamic DHCP allocation pool" [Wishlist,New] | 14:17 |
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| slaweq | this one is a bit long so I will give You some time to read it :) | 14:17 |
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| njohnston_ | Interesting | 14:22 |
| haleyb | one data point is that the dnsmasq maintainer might be warming to the patch, at least he responded this week with a "If I've understood correctly, this looks like it might be a viable | 14:24 |
| haleyb | solution." | 14:24 |
| haleyb | dnsmasq patch that is | 14:24 |
| haleyb | i don't see hjensas here | 14:24 |
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| haleyb | one question i have is will this help support privacy addresses? | 14:26 |
| amotoki | if this proposal is implemented, we cannot know IP address(es) assigned to a port if the port uses the dynamic allocation pool, right? | 14:26 |
| haleyb | although it is just for dhcpv6, not slaac | 14:26 |
| slaweq | amotoki: right, neutron will not have in db IP address associated with port | 14:27 |
| haleyb | amotoki: looks like it, could possibly do it with a callback script | 14:27 |
| haleyb | a provider might see that as a security issue if they can't lookup a port by IP | 14:28 |
| amotoki | thanks for clarification | 14:28 |
| njohnston_ | that also affects other things, like security groups | 14:28 |
| slaweq | but reading this part: "In the Ironic example, a dynamic address will be used during instance provisioning. Once Ironic is done provisioning, a port with a static address, i.e a "standard" neutron port with a neutron ipam address allocation etc is bound to the final baremetal instance." it seems that it would be not known only for some time, right? | 14:29 |
| amotoki | it seems this feature needs to be used for a specific subnet. | 14:29 |
| amotoki | we seem to need some assumption on this feature as it affects SG as njohnston_ commented. | 14:30 |
| mlavalle | slaweq: yes, it is only during the boot process | 14:32 |
| amotoki | I think it is specific to the provisioning network(s) in ironic. | 14:32 |
| amotoki | it sounds reasonable for that case. | 14:32 |
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| slaweq | amotoki: for ironic probably yes (if dnsmasq's patch will not be merged soon) | 14:34 |
| frickler | maybe this could also be solved by running an additional boot-specific dhcp server? | 14:34 |
| njohnston | I agree, with the asterisk that until it is transitioned to a regular neutron port, unpredictable results might occur. | 14:34 |
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| slaweq | njohnston: I agree with that, if we will have it, it should be very well documented to make operators aware, what is the goal of this and that this shouldn't be used always | 14:37 |
| amotoki | frickler: that can work. we can run a DHCP server for a specific purpose in a subnet with specifyig enable_dhcp=False in a neutron subnet). | 14:37 |
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| slaweq | amotoki: sorry but I'm not sure if I undertood corectly | 14:38 |
| slaweq | You want to run something different than dnsmasq for subnets with disabled dhcp? | 14:38 |
| frickler | amotoki: even without setting enable_dhcp=False, if there is a range of addresses not covered by the allocation-pool, it should be able to add some other dhcp server just handing that out to the pxeboot clients maybe | 14:39 |
| ralonsoh | folks, why don't we ask hjensas to propose a solution for this? maybe he has something in mind | 14:39 |
| amotoki | I haven't tested it yet, but I think neturon DHCP server is not launched if enable_dhcp is False so an extra DHCP server can serve for DHCP request from instances. | 14:39 |
| mlavalle | he is even proposing to write a spec | 14:39 |
| ralonsoh | spawning a dhcp server in a dhcp=false subnet... is not something desirable | 14:40 |
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| slaweq | amotoki: dnsmasq server is spawned per network if there is at least one network with enable_dhcp=True | 14:41 |
| slaweq | and than various subnets are added to its config file | 14:42 |
| slaweq | and I agree with ralonsoh that it wouldn't be super clear to run dhcp server (some other server) for subnets with disabled dhcp | 14:42 |
| mlavalle | I think we should request a spec and while it is written and reviewed, see if any of the 3 alternatives listed in note #3 bear fruit. Those can be analyzed in the alternatives section of the spec | 14:42 |
| njohnston | +1 | 14:43 |
| ralonsoh | perfect | 14:43 |
| amotoki | slaweq: you're right. I should say 'network' rather than 'subnet'. | 14:43 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: I agree with that | 14:43 |
| amotoki | +1 for a spec | 14:43 |
| slaweq | lets ask for spec now | 14:43 |
| slaweq | ok, so lets move on | 14:44 |
| slaweq | I will summarize this discussion in comment to the rfe after the meeting | 14:44 |
| mlavalle | in this case, as a team we should place special focus on alternatives evaluation as part of the review process, IMO | 14:44 |
| slaweq | next one | 14:45 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1759790 | 14:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1759790 in neutron "[RFE] metric for the route" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Bin Lu (369283883-o) | 14:45 |
| slaweq | this was also discussed some time ago | 14:45 |
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| slaweq | based on last comments it seems that this rfe is only about API change, that different backends will be able to implement this (or not) on their own | 14:46 |
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| njohnston | previous discussion: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-10-11-14.00.log.html#l-13 | 14:47 |
| slaweq | thx njohnston | 14:47 |
| ralonsoh | slaweq, can you ping xiaodan again in the bug? just to clarify this | 14:48 |
| ralonsoh | but seems that you are right | 14:49 |
| amotoki | there is a reply from the RFE author, it said "just add metric for user configuration and record info in neutron db". I am not sure how metric information should be applied to a neutron router. | 14:49 |
| ralonsoh | the parameter will be there in the route, and the backend will use it | 14:49 |
| ralonsoh | amotoki, perfect | 14:49 |
| slaweq | yes, so this rfe is not about implementing it in in-tree L3 agent | 14:51 |
| slaweq | only add new API extension and parameter to the router's extra route entries | 14:52 |
| slaweq | which is fine for me in generall | 14:52 |
| ralonsoh | I think so, yes | 14:52 |
| slaweq | only concern which I have is that it may be confusing for users if someone will set various metrics in api and it will not be applied on the backend | 14:53 |
| amotoki | but, don't we need to clarify how the added parameter is interpreted in the reference implementation? | 14:53 |
| amotoki | slaweq says the same thing | 14:54 |
| slaweq | amotoki: my understanding was that, if we would implement that in reference implementation, it would be something like "ip route add ... metric X" added to each extra route entry in router's namespace | 14:56 |
| amotoki | it is what we expect :) | 14:56 |
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| slaweq | so maybe we should ask there that implementation for reference backend should be also part of this rfe? | 14:57 |
| amotoki | agree | 14:58 |
| slaweq | and if author of this proposal is going to implement that | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | or the opposte, if it is not implemented in the reference implemenation, do it completely out of tree | 14:58 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: +1 | 14:58 |
| slaweq | I will add such comment to summarize this discussion there | 14:59 |
| slaweq | haleyb: any last minute thoughs on that? | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | if the functionality is going to be out of tree, what do they need us for? | 14:59 |
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| haleyb | slaweq: no extra thoughts, i'm fine with it | 15:00 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: probably nothing but I will ask in the comment about that too | 15:00 |
| slaweq | haleyb: ok, thx | 15:00 |
| amotoki | mlavalle: perhaps we need to ask it together | 15:00 |
| slaweq | we are out of time already | 15:00 |
| ralonsoh | bye! | 15:00 |
| slaweq | thx a lot for attending | 15:00 |
| njohnston | o/ | 15:00 |
| amotoki | thanks! | 15:00 |
| slaweq | have a great weekend | 15:00 |
| slaweq | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:00 | |
| slaweq | o/ | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jan 10 15:00:40 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2020/neutron_drivers.2020-01-10-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2020/neutron_drivers.2020-01-10-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2020/neutron_drivers.2020-01-10-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| amotoki | bye, enjoy your weekend! | 15:01 |
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