Wednesday, 2019-10-30

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rosmaitajungleboyj whoami-rajat rajinir lseki carloss pots woojay erlon geguileo eharney rosmaita enriquetaso e0ne smcginnis davidsha walshh_ xyang hemna _hemna tosky sfernand16:00
rosmaita#startmeeting cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Oct 30 16:00:15 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
e0nehi16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:00
enriquetasoo/16:00
eharneyhi16:00
smcginniso/16:00
rajiniro/16:00
whoami-rajat__hi16:00
anastzhyrHi16:00
rosmaitawelcome anastzhyr16:00
enriquetasowelcome anastzhyr16:00
rosmaitaanastzhyr is an outreachy intern working on cinder16:01
rosmaitabeing mentored by enriquetaso16:01
smcginnisHey anastzhyr!16:01
whoami-rajat__Welcome anastzhyr16:01
anastzhyrHello everyone once again :)16:01
rosmaitaplease keep an eye on anastzhyr 's patches this week16:01
geguileohi!16:02
rosmaitalight agenda today, so i'll wait another minute16:02
rosmaitathough it looks like we have good attendance today16:02
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rosmaitaok, that's about a minute16:03
lsekihi16:03
rosmaita#topic updates16:03
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davee_o/16:03
rosmaitafirst item, no meeting next week due to the PTG16:03
rosmaitasecond item, about how our PTG sessions will go16:04
rosmaitai'm planning to do what jungleboyj did and just go through the topics giving them as much or little time as they need16:04
rosmaitaand keeping notes on the etherpad16:04
rosmaitai'll have a rough ordering ready before friday this week16:05
smcginnisI think that has worked well.16:05
rosmaitaright now, there are a few topics that will have a definite start time so we can coordinate things16:05
rosmaita#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/shanghai-ptg-cinder16:05
smcginnisrosmaita: Do we have a nova-cinder session planned?16:05
rosmaitano, we don't16:05
rosmaitais there anything in particular we want to discuss with them?16:06
smcginnisI'm not sure if we have much we need to coordinate with them at this point. I think we've worked through most things like multiattach.16:06
rosmaitathat was my impression too16:06
rosmaitaalso, i think this is going to be a bit informal -- we're mostly all in one big room at different tables16:07
geguileorosmaita: I think I added one topic to the etherpad16:07
geguileorosmaita: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ussuri-ptg-planning16:07
geguileorosmaita: L7116:07
rosmaitai see -improve replication16:07
geguileoyup16:07
smcginnisWhat was that? Remove replication? Sounds good.16:07
smcginnis:P16:07
geguileorofl rofl16:07
rosmaitaok, eric fried sent out a message about cross project discussion, i will follow up with him16:08
rosmaita#action rosmaita follow up with nova team about ptg session on improving replication16:08
geguileorosmaita: thanks!16:08
rosmaitanp, thanks for the reminder16:08
rosmaitaok, just a few things about the schedule16:08
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rosmaitawednesday is cross-project day, so you're free to go meet whatever teams interest you16:09
rosmaitathursday we start at 9:00 with onboarding16:09
rosmaitait's going to be a bit weird, there's no projector or anything16:09
geguileorosmaita: I can bring my portable projector16:10
rosmaitabut, the expectation is that people who've been through the upstream institute will come meet groups they are interested in16:10
geguileorosmaita: we just need to be close-ish to a wall16:10
rosmaitageguileo: yeah, i don't know anything about the layout of the room other than we are at table "A"16:10
geguileoA for Awesome?16:10
geguileosounds good16:10
rosmaita:)16:11
smcginnisJay had a Forum session to get feedback on using volume types. He realized he has a schedule conflict for that, so he roped me in right before taking off to China this morning. Whoever else can join and help with that, it would be appreciated.16:11
rosmaitaA for "Austin"16:11
smcginnisWe are supposed to have flip charts.16:11
smcginnisCould project on that in a pinch.16:11
rosmaitasmcginnis: thanks for the reminder, i will put the forum sessions on our etherpad16:11
smcginnisNot sure if there are any union type rules that would prevent us from hooking up a projector though.16:11
smcginnisrosmaita: Thanks!16:11
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geguileosmcginnis: I'll bring it just in case16:12
rosmaitageguileo: jungleboyj is running the upstream institute right before the summit, so he can probably snag us a projector if it will work16:12
rosmaitageguileo: up to you16:12
rosmaitaok, so my real point here is that even though 9:00-9:45 is "onboarding", all the cinder people should be there anyway because part of the idea is that new people can meet the team they will be working with16:13
rosmaitathe only other scheduled topic ATM is meeting with the edge working group16:14
rosmaitathursday, right after lunch16:14
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rosmaitaalso, team dinner on thursday16:14
rosmaitais there anyone from shanghai here now?16:14
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rosmaitaguess not16:15
rosmaitai'll follow up with Liang Fang, who i'm pretty sure works out of shanghai16:16
rosmaitai got a recommendation for a restaurant, but we will have to make a reservation16:16
smcginnisrosmaita: Is the team dinner info on an etherpad or something? Where do you want to try to get a headcount?16:17
rosmaitaok, i will follow up on that and send out something to the ML so other peopel in shanghai can join us16:17
rosmaitasmcginnis: just added it at the top of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/shanghai-ptg-cinder16:17
smcginnis+116:17
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smcginnisrosmaita: Are we signed up for a team photo?16:18
rosmaitayes, at 10:50 on thursday16:18
smcginnisAh, now I see it.16:18
rosmaitayeah, i forgot to point that out16:18
rosmaitaok, so keep an eye on the etherpad for more info as it becomes available16:19
rosmaitai will fill it in with topics from the planning etherpad, and some follow up from the train midcycle16:20
rosmaitashould give us a full day and a half16:20
rosmaitai'm planning to finish before lunch on friday16:20
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rosmaitathe table will still be available until 4:30 pm for anyone who wants to stick around and have a cinder hackfest16:20
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rosmaitai think that's all the updates16:21
rosmaitaok, no formal next topic16:21
rosmaita#topic open discussion16:21
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smcginnisI've heard there is no staying late though. As soon as the scheduled time is up - time to get out.16:21
enriquetasohey16:21
rosmaitayes, that's what I've heard too16:21
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enriquetasoAs rosmaita already mentioned. We have an outreachy candidate. Outreachy deadline is morning - 5th of Nov.  Feel free to review anastzhyr 's patchs https://review.opendev.org/#/q/owner:%22Anastasiya+Zhyrkevich%22+status:open !16:22
whoami-rajat__rosmaita, there was a discussion regarding meeting time change last week, is there an update on the same?16:22
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rosmaitaenriquetaso: thanks for the reminder -- everyone, it's important that anastzhyr gets some code merged this week -- i'm not saying just approve it, but we need to review expeditiously so that she can revise as necessary16:23
anastzhyrenriquetaso: thank you for making my visibility. I would be happy to dive into more low-hanging-fruit tasks to understand cinder deeper. If you have anything on mind, please let me know16:24
rosmaitawhoami-rajat__: i did not see any reply on the ML when i checked this morning16:24
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enriquetaso:D16:24
rosmaitaso i guess my update is: if you have a strong feeling about moving the meeting time or leaving it where it is, please respond to that thread!16:24
rosmaitaalso, i did not see any replies to my request for info about closing some branches16:25
whoami-rajat__rosmaita, is poll an option for better response ?16:25
rosmaitawhoami-rajat__: i don't know -- there aren't a lot of choices16:25
rosmaitasame day for sure16:26
rosmaitaeither 1 hour earlier, 2 hours earlier, or stay the same16:26
rosmaitabut do people think i'd get more responses with a poll?16:26
rosmaitai guess whoami-rajat__ is right ... apparently asking for a response on the thread has not worked16:27
smcginnisThat may be useful.16:27
smcginnisSurveyMonkey or CIVS poll.16:27
rosmaitathe only reason i'm hesitating is that i wanted to weigh people who definitely attend more heavily16:27
geguileoat least it would show how many people care or don't care if it's moved16:27
rosmaitawe have 2 silicon valley time zone people who attend pretty regularly16:28
rosmaitaok, i will put together a poll and send out a link on the ML16:28
rosmaitawill do that later today, so please look for it!16:29
rosmaita#action rosmaita put together meeting time change poll16:29
davee_suggestion: have the poll and the people who show up get vote counted twice16:29
whoami-rajat__rosmaita, great. thanks! should I reply to the previous ML too?16:29
rosmaitawhoami-rajat__: i guess if you have a good argument, you might want to reply on the ML so that other people can think about it before they vote16:30
rosmaitabut to follow up with what davee_ said16:30
rosmaitai am going to reserve the right to weigh the responses to the poll in considering what to do16:31
smcginnis++16:31
rosmaitai realize it's tricky, if this is a bad time, the people it's bad for aren't here because it's bad16:31
geguileorosmaita: you can add that as a disclaimer  ;-)16:31
rosmaitaok, i will do that16:31
geguileorosmaita: and we'll also want to know about the new people from the PTG, right?16:32
rosmaitageguileo: that is a good point16:32
rosmaitaok, here is what i think i should do16:32
rosmaitalet's keep the ML discussion going -- so if you have an opinion please reply there16:33
rosmaitawe can see how many prospective new people we get at the ptg16:33
rosmaitaand we can take a poll shortly after, after those people have had time to show up16:33
rosmaitaso i won't do a poll until after the ptg16:33
geguileosounds good16:34
rosmaitaok, Liang Fang put some info on today's agenda about being in china16:34
rosmaitaand i see that some people have updated the info a bit16:34
rosmaitaok, last thing on the agenda16:36
rosmaitasome teams are planning a virtual PTG separate from next week's ptg16:36
rosmaitawe are not going to be able to stream this one16:37
rosmaita"this one" being in shanghai16:37
rosmaitaand i dont know if the recording will be any good16:37
rosmaitait's going to be a big room with a bunch of teams all meeting at the same time16:37
rosmaitaso it may be worth having a follow up videoconference16:38
rosmaitabut only if people here are interested16:38
rosmaita(this is where people say if they are interested)16:38
davee_interested since I have no travel budget this year16:38
davidshaA video conference sounds good16:39
rosmaitaok, this one will need a poll -- the time will be tricky, but also how long16:40
rosmaitai am inclined to say 2 hours, lunch break, 2 hours16:40
davidshaThat sounds good16:40
rosmaitaand i guess the way i'd do the topic list is flag topics that need follow up during the shanghai ptg16:41
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rosmaitaand also allow new topics for people who weren't there?16:42
rosmaitaand i guess being virtual, we don't have to get it right the first time16:42
rosmaitawhat i mean is, if 4 hours isn't enough, we can do another follow up16:42
davidshakk16:42
rosmaitaok, well i am thinking out loud there -- i'll put together a poll or something and send out an announcement on the ML16:43
rosmaita#action rosmaita poll for virtual PTG16:43
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rosmaitaok, i will shut up now16:44
rosmaitaanyone else have anything for open discussion?16:44
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davee_going once...16:46
geguileogoing twice...16:47
rosmaitaOK, people who will be in shanghai, feel free to add things to the ptg etherpad if you want to get info out to everyone16:47
davidshaSold!16:47
davee_sold to the man in the purple polka dot clown suit!16:47
anastzhyrAny volunteers who want to discuss the purposes cinder tempest , welcome to make good advices to me)16:47
geguileoanastzhyr: I'm reviewing the manage tests patch, I'll finish soon16:48
rosmaitano sense hanging around here, then ... please remember to look at https://review.opendev.org/#/q/owner:%22Anastasiya+Zhyrkevich%22+status:open16:49
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rosmaitasafe travels to all heading to shanghai16:49
rosmaitaand also to those heading anywhere16:49
geguileosafe travels!!!16:49
rosmaitano meeting next week, but look for a poll about scheduling the virtual PTG16:50
rosmaitaand no poll about meeting time until after the PTG16:50
rosmaitabut respond on the ML if you have a strong opinion and you want to influence others16:50
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rosmaitaok, i need to make way for the man in the purple polka dot clown suit16:51
rosmaitathanks for attending, everyone!16:51
rosmaita#endmeeting16:51
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davidshathanks!16:51
whoami-rajat__Thanks!16:53
anastzhyrThanks16:53
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timburke#startmeeting swift21:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Oct 30 21:00:03 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is timburke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)"21:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'21:00
timburkewho's here for the swift meeting?21:00
kota_o/21:00
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mattoliverauo/21:00
rledisezo/21:00
timburkeagenda's at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift21:01
timburke#topic Shanghai21:01
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timburkeit's almost here!21:01
kota_yey21:02
timburkein two days, i'll be on the plane! i'm excited (and a little freaking out)21:02
rledisezH-36 before my flight :)21:02
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timburkei've been adding what events i know about to the etherpad21:02
timburke#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-ptg-shanghai21:02
kota_it'll logn flight, please safe.21:03
kota_be long21:03
timburkein particular, i saw there was a game night, like there have been the last few PTGs21:03
timburkethey tend to be pretty fun, and a good opportunity to get to know some other the other openstackers better21:03
timburkei also saw that cschwede is going to be there!21:04
kota_good to know21:04
kota_when?21:04
timburke(at the ptg that is; i don't know about game night ;-)21:04
kota_ah, you told about the past ones.21:04
kota_got it.21:05
timburkegame night's thursday, 8:00 PM, City Center Mariott Lobby21:05
kota_ah ok. thx.21:05
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* kota_ should go to the etherpad link21:06
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timburkeoh, there was also a flyer the foundation put together, where'd i put that...21:07
timburke#link https://object-storage-ca-ymq-1.vexxhost.net/swift/v1/6e4619c416ff4bd19e1c087f27a43eea/www-assets-prod/summits/shanghai/Shanghai-Travel-Tips.pdf21:07
timburkewith some travel tips21:07
kota_travel tips!21:07
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timburke"Some restrooms do not supply toilet paper.  Suggested to carry some with you." is a little disconcerting...21:08
timburkebut good to know!21:08
kota_oic. "Download ALL apps needed on your phone / desktop (including the Summit Mobile App!)"21:08
kota_`including the Summit App!`21:09
mattoliverauoh wow so soon21:09
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timburkeyeah, i still need to get my phone situated... laptop's prepped; phone, not yet21:09
mattoliverauat least y'all will be close to my timezone soon (assuming you'll have irc access)21:09
kota_strictly speaking, my timezone is closer ;-)21:10
timburkemattoliverau, i *think* irc will be ok? ptgbot isn't going to be so useful otherwise, anyway ;-)21:10
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mattoliverauahh good point :)21:11
mattoliveraukota_: lol21:11
mattoliverauthat is true21:11
timburkeall right, that's all i've got for summit/ptg -- i can't wait to see kota_ clayg rledisez alecuyer and cschwede there!21:12
timburkeon to updates!21:12
timburke#topic versioning21:12
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timburkeclayg and tdasilva have got the three patches stacked up now, and they've been iterating on it21:13
mattoliveraucschwede there too, that's awesome!21:13
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timburkei haven't been able to follow along quite as closely as before, as i've gotten a bit distracted with summit/ptg/general-travel prep21:14
mattoliverautimburke: you do a great job of following as much as you do.21:15
mattoliverauI guess they're not here to do an update. maybe we just link the patches and move on then?21:16
timburkebut i got the impression they've been adding tests and fixing up rough edges, with the idea that clayg will have a pretty solid picture of what's involved so we can talk about it at the ptg21:16
mattoliveraucool21:16
mattoliverauso what comes first, the null containers?21:16
mattoliverauor namespace21:17
mattoliverauwhat ever terminology I'm suppose to use :P21:17
timburkeyep, null namespace first -- https://review.opendev.org/#/c/682138/21:17
timburkethen a new versioning api for swift -- https://review.opendev.org/#/c/682382/21:17
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timburkeand finally hooking up s3api to use the new api -- https://review.opendev.org/#/c/682382/21:18
mattoliverausweet21:18
timburkei think that ought to cover it21:18
timburke#topic lots of small files21:19
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kota_those look big changes21:19
timburkekota_, fortunately, almost 4k of the 5k lines in that middle patch are just new test files :-)21:20
kota_:-)21:20
rledisezalecuyer is not here, but I think he told me there is nothing new on losf this week21:20
timburkerledisez, is there anything we should be trying to do or look at to be more prepared at the ptg?21:21
rledisezI think what we have in mind right now is to stop evolving it for w while until it can be merged (fix bugs, tests, nothing new before merge)21:22
rledisezI think alecuyer should be answering your question, i can't answer honestly21:22
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timburkethat's ok, no worries. something of a freeze sounds reasonable; and i guess the rest of us ought to be thinking about what needs to happen next for us to feel comfortable merging it to master21:24
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timburke#topic profiling21:25
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timburke#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-profiling21:25
timburkerledisez, take it away :-)21:25
rledisezthx :)21:25
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rledisezso, the full story is in the etherpad, but i short, we are CPU bound on proxy-servers, and it does not seem right that a decent proxy-server cannot handle more than 3 or 4 Gbps of trafic21:26
rledisezso I did some profiling, I played with conf option timburke suggested last week and I put result there21:26
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rledisezfirst of all, I'm interested if you see any issue in the bench I did (wrong methodology etc…)21:27
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rledisezafter that, I propose some ideas at the bottom to improve the situation i'd like to discuss21:27
rledisezbasically, object-server is fine. proxy/GET is fine, proxy/PUT is damn slow21:27
timburkeyou said it's got 10Gb NICs -- are there two of them? one client-facing, one cluster-facing?21:28
rlediseztimburke: on our production yes, but for the benchmark, all was local? on production we are far from 10Gbps on either interface21:29
rledisezi mean, it was local, for sure :)21:29
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rlediseznote: I still need to bench with EC policy21:30
timburkeand are we measuring bandwidth on the client-facing traffic, or cluster-facing?21:30
timburke(just to sanity check ;-)21:30
zaitcevIs it possible refuse in-kernel MD5 and try some local libraries?21:30
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zaitcevMaybe the kernel overhead is too great or something.21:30
rlediseztimburke: client facing (and I understand that cluster facing we are expecting N*bandwidth for a PUT)21:31
kota_rledisez: the benchmark ran under py3 or still py2?21:32
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rledisezzaitcev: are you talking about the splice option?21:32
rledisezkota_: I did both for some measure, I didn't see any major difference, but mostly py221:32
kota_ok21:32
timburkeso with the 1MB chunk size... the client's seeing 5Gbps, so we must be generating 15Gbps on the cluster interface -- which seems about in line with the upper-bounds you were seeing in the object-server...21:34
zaitcevNo, I am saying that all of our MD5 are calculated by kernel nowadays, right?21:34
zaitcevEvery time you invoke md5 it's a syscall21:34
zaitcevUsing the AF_LINK or what's its name21:34
timburkezaitcev, nope -- rledisez already pointed out that i had the wrong idea about that ;-)21:34
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zaitcevok21:34
rlediseztimburke: In my bench I had 3 object-server that could reach about 14Gbps, so in the best of best world the proxy should handle 15Gbps (because it's all localhost trafic, writing on /dev/shm)21:35
timburkewhen we're writing we just use the normal python hashlib: https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/2.23.0/swift/obj/diskfile.py#L166921:36
rledisezand it's quite good given than object-server is "only" 20% slower than simple md5sum21:37
rledisezso I'm not expecting major improvement on object-server21:37
rledisez(well +17% bw / -17% cpu is still something :))21:37
rledisezjust to be clear, i'm not suggesting at all to remove md5 calculation :) I just did it to get the best of proxy-server21:38
timburkeeh, i know notmyname's talked about the idea of using soemthing other than md5 before... that's not *such* a crazy idea...21:40
timburkebut yeah, i'm not sure how best to further investigate ATM21:40
mattoliverauMakes me wonder if some simple perf daily or weekly check in zuul might be useful. Obviously with a grain of salt because of shared tenants. But might catch major degredations.21:41
rledisezwell, with just the no-timeout/no-queue on proxy we already could get a signifant perf improvement21:41
mattoliverauI wonder why timeouts cause such a slow down, is it there implementation, because I wonder why a watchdog thread works so well21:42
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mattoliverauI would've thought a timeout would be a timed thread or something somewhat similar21:43
* mattoliverau has never looked under the hood though21:43
mattoliverauis it something evenlet monkey patches (me is just thinking out loud).21:43
rledisezmattoliverau: it is quite good, except we call it for each chink (so each piece of 64KB), so it is called thousands of time for an upload21:43
mattoliverauahh21:44
mattoliverauok21:44
rledisezwhile a watchdog will be initalized once and jsut a variable is updated then21:44
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timburkeyeah, eventlet basically schedules an event for later to raise the Timeout in the appropriate thread21:44
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timburkeand i think it's also part of why the increased chunk size captures a lot of the no-timeout gain21:45
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rledisezand the queue, well, the same * N, and it needs a synchronisation each time (so lock etc…)21:45
rlediseztimburke: right, bigger chunk == less call to Timeout/queue21:46
timburkerledisez, did you happen to measure RAM consumption differences between the different chunk sizes?21:46
timburkei wonder if we should just up the default chunk size...21:47
rlediseznope, I didn't. but it's quite easy to calculate the woerst case scenario I think. the max queue size is 10 IIRW, there is N replica, so chink_size * N * 10 ?21:47
rledisez*chunk21:47
rledisezper PUT21:47
timburkeand it was always a single PUT at a time, right?21:48
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rledisezyeah, Im planning to do more on concurrency later to see if there is something to optimize there21:49
rledisezright now it's focus on one connection performance21:49
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mattoliveraurledisez: great job21:51
timburkeout of curiosity, what kinds of speeds can you get with netcat? testing locally just now, i can get ~24GB/s with dd piping straight to /dev/null, but only 1.3-1.4GB/s (so ~11Gbps) if i send it through a socket that's piping to /dev/null...21:51
rlediseztimburke: do you have the exact command so I can copy/paste?21:52
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timburkein one terminal, `nc -l 8081 > /dev/null` -- in another, `dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=10000 > /dev/null`21:53
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rledisez15.5 GB/s21:53
timburkei tried twiddling bs/count to do even larger chunk sizes, but it didn't have much difference21:53
timburkewhy's my laptop so slow!? boo!21:54
timburkegood to know though, to keep in mind as an upper bound :-)21:54
rledisezI can provide you a server to work, but you're going to have trouble at china customs ;)21:54
timburkeall right, well... i guess we'll keep thinking about it. willing to bet we'll talk about this more next week21:55
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kota_lol21:55
timburkegot just a few more minutes21:55
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timburke#topic open discussion21:55
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timburkeanything else anyone would like to bring up?21:55
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mattoliverauI have a mate who might be convincing his work to do some upstream time. They're interesting in tiering. So if it goes ahead I might point him at those stalled patches.21:56
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timburke\o/ i love new contributors!21:56
mattoliverauif so, a discussion that should be had (maybe at ptg) is is it still the right design?21:57
kota_good21:57
mattoliverauor maybe should it use the new null namespace and hide tiering containers?21:57
timburkeexcellent question21:58
mattoliverauI had a chat wtih him about some of it already while giving him a Swift intro the otherday online.21:58
timburkeout of curiosity, who's his employer, if you can say?21:59
mattoliverauif you can add that to the list of discussions it would be good. It'll depend on if he can swing it. But maybe as a friday thing after other null namespace dicsussions21:59
mattoliverauCan't say yet21:59
timburke👍21:59
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mattoliverautimburke: but you might now them because they may or may not use swiftstack ;)21:59
timburkeall right, we're about at time22:00
timburkethank you all for coming, and thank you for working on swift!22:00
timburke#endmeeting22:00
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