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slaweq#startmeeting neutron_drivers14:00
openstackMeeting started Fri Oct 25 14:00:12 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
slaweqhi14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers'14:00
mlavalleo/14:00
haleybhi14:00
ralonsohhi14:00
amotokio/14:01
slaweqyamamoto sent an email today that he will not be able to join, so I think we can start now14:01
slaweq#topic RFEs14:01
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slaweqfirst rfe for today is:14:01
slaweqhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/182534514:02
openstackLaunchpad bug 1825345 in neutron "[RFE] admin-state-down doesn't evacuate bindings in the dhcp_agent_id column" [Wishlist,Confirmed]14:02
slaweqwe discussed about it last week14:02
slaweqzigo made some clarifications about it in the comment14:02
zigoo/14:02
slaweqand personally I think that this rfe makes sense and it makes sense to do it on server side as was proposed by zigo14:03
slaweqhi zigo :)14:03
zigoDoes it make sense to also broaden the scope, and have it for l3-agent?14:04
zigoThere too, someone may want to move routers away.14:05
amotokiit sounds reasonable to me too.14:05
slaweqzigo: IMO yes, it should works in same way for dhcp and l3 agents14:05
amotokiwhen I was an operator, I wrote a similar script to evacuate networks/routers and it is same as what this RFE proposes.14:05
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mlavallesounds reasonable to me as well14:07
slaweqhaleyb: what's Your opinion about it?14:08
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haleybslaweq: i'm +1 for it14:08
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slaweqthx14:09
slaweqso I will approve this rfe14:09
slaweqzigo: if You want/need help with implementing that I would be happy to help :)14:09
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slaweqapproved, lets move to the next one14:12
slaweqhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/184097914:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1840979 in neutron "[L2] update the port DB status directly in agent-side" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889)14:12
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ralonsohupdating the DB in the agent?14:14
ralonsohis that correct?14:14
slaweqralonsoh: yes, that's the proposal in this rfe basically14:14
slaweqso each ovs agent would have access to db directly to improve performance14:14
ralonsohthis is something I don't support, regardless of the idea of having a distributed system14:15
ralonsohbut because Neutron server was not designed in this way, we should not support it14:15
amotokiit can improve performance but it makes the upgrade difficult. when DB schema change happens, neutron agents cannot talk with DB until neutron agents are upgraded.14:16
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ralonsohand this is another reason14:16
slaweqamotoki: yes, upgrade is one of the reasons why I'm also against this14:16
slaweqanother is less security IMO14:17
slaweqliuyulong said in one of the comments there that e.g. cinder and nova are doing something like that14:17
mlavalleand if we have a plan to converge with OVN, why would we want to take such a radical step with agents?14:17
mlavallelet's focus on the OVN convergence14:18
haleyb+1, i don't think agents having direct access is a good idea either14:19
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slaweqok, I think that we all agree here that it's not good idea to make such radical change in neutron's architecture14:20
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slaweqso I will summarize all those reasons in comment to the rfe and will close it as not approved - is it ok for You?14:21
mlavalleyes14:21
amotokiworks forr me14:22
ralonsohok14:22
haleybok for me14:22
slaweqok, thx14:23
slaweqwe are going very fast today14:23
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slaweqok, done14:26
slaweqnext one on my list is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/184706814:28
openstackLaunchpad bug 1847068 in neutron "[RFE] create option in neutron.conf to disable designate+neutron consistency" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Gregoire Mahe (gregoiremahe)14:28
slaweqbut I'm not sure if gregoiremahe is here tody14:28
slaweq*today14:28
slaweqpersonally I don't think that such "inconsistent" designate driver should be in neutron repo as it fits very specific usecase of OVH14:30
mlavalleso his challenge is that the Designate is not available all the time, right?14:30
mlavalle*the Designate API14:30
slaweqmlavalle: TBH I'm not sure, I think they have custome driver in designate for OVH dns service and maybe this isn't available always14:31
slaweqbut we would need to have gregoiremahe here to explain that in details14:31
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mlavallecurrent DNS integration was designed under the assumption that the Designate API is most of the time available14:32
mlavalleand I think that is a reasonable assumption to make14:32
mlavalleand that is proven by the fact that other operators use it succesfully14:33
mlavallemy employer among them14:33
mlavalleso yes, I think this RFE is a very OVH specific request14:34
slaweqso here is what I propose for now:14:34
slaweqI will ask gregoiremahe to explain in more details what he meant in his last comment in this BZ and to provide maybe details about his usecase for that14:35
slaweqthan we can maybe check once again if that makes sense to have new driver in neutron tree or not14:36
slaweqis it fine for You?14:36
mlavalleIMO, we can evaluate any option as long as what exists today is not touched14:36
slaweqmlavalle: that's for sure, I don't think that touching existing designate driver would be needed for that14:37
slaweqIMO it's clear that we are considering only new driver potentially14:37
amotokislaweq: your plan sounds good to me.14:40
slaweqthx amotoki and mlavalle for Your opinions about this one14:40
amotokiside note: Step #2 in the bug description sounds similar to a journalling mechanism proposed to sync netwokring-ovn/odl with neutron server.14:41
slaweqamotoki: right, it sounds similar to that mechanism14:44
slaweqok, lets move on than14:45
slaweqnext one on the list is14:45
slaweqhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/184628514:45
openstackLaunchpad bug 1846285 in neutron "[RFE] routed network for hypervisor" [Undecided,Confirmed]14:45
slaweqmlavalle was asking some questions there, and reporter of the rfe answers them14:45
slaweqbut I'm not sure if that's enough for mlavalle to make this rfe clear14:46
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slaweqpersonally I'm not routed networks expert so it's hard for me to triage that rfe14:46
slaweqso I wanted to check others opinions about it14:46
mlavallewell, look at his number 1 answer14:47
mlavalleessentially he is saying that he is going to change the way things work now14:48
mlavallein other words, if we move in that direction, everybody needs to move in that direction14:48
mlavalleI mean all the deployers14:49
mlavallenow, I am not saying this is not an interesting idea14:49
mlavallebecause it is14:50
mlavallebut the price cannot be be that everybody needs to adopt this way to deploy Neutron14:50
slaweqmlavalle: segments are done as separate service plugin, right?14:51
mlavalleyes14:51
slaweqmlavalle: can't this be proposed as another service plugin maybe? even outside of the neutron tree14:51
mlavallelet's clarify something14:52
mlavallesegments plugin != routed networks14:52
mlavallesegments plugin is used in routed networks14:52
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mlavallebut routed networks is more that that14:52
mlavallerouted networks use segments14:53
mlavallethe segments plugin was a way to make a concept that already existed (segments) directly accesible from the API14:53
mlavalleit was a way to make segments a resource in the API. But segments existed in ML2 way before that14:54
mlavallehaving said that, yes, this could be implemented as a different plugin14:55
slaweqso this rfe would require changes in ml2 plugin also?14:55
mlavallesubmitter hasn't given dteailed information14:56
mlavallebut his comments suggest changes in L3 and L2 at least14:56
mlavalleagain, the idea is interesting14:56
slaweqmlavalle: can You take care of this rfe and continue triaging it?14:56
mlavalleand I would be happy to experiment with the idea14:56
mlavallebut I don't want to commit Neutron to something that would force everybody to deploy in this way14:57
mlavalleslaweq: yes, that was my plan and then you marked it as triaged14:58
slaweqmlavalle: sorry for that14:58
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mlavalleslaweq: no problem whatsoever14:58
mlavalleI am complaining14:58
mlavalleI am just sharing my thoughts and how I see this has evolved14:59
slaweqI will now change it back to "rfe" and we will wait for when You will think it's triaged :)14:59
mlavalleI am not complaining14:59
mlavallethat;s what I meant to say slaweq^^^14:59
slaweqthx a lot for update about this mlavalle14:59
slaweqwe are almost out of time now14:59
slaweqthx for attending the meeting14:59
ralonsohbye15:00
ileixe___Thanks :)15:00
slaweqand have a great weekend guys15:00
amotokithanks15:00
slaweqo/15:00
mlavalleslaweq: nest week I won't attend. I'll be on my way to China15:00
slaweq#endmeeting15:00
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slaweqmlavalle: I will cancel next week's meeting as there is public holiday here in Poland15:00
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