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| slaweq | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Oct 18 14:01:01 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:01 | |
| slaweq | hi | 14:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:01 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:01 |
| slaweq | lets wait few more minutes for haleyb and yamamoto to have a quorum | 14:02 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:02 |
| ralonsoh | hi | 14:02 |
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| slaweq | amotoki will not be there today, we are still missing yamamoto but I think we can start as we already have quorum | 14:04 |
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| slaweq | #topic RFEs | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:04 | |
| slaweq | first on the list for today is: | 14:04 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1843924 | 14:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1843924 in neutron "[RFE] Create optional bulk resource_extend" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 14:04 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:05 |
| slaweq | proposed by njohnston | 14:05 |
| njohnston | Hi! This spec is oriented towards solving one of the two areas of bulk operations that are hard to optimize (the other being IPAM). | 14:06 |
| njohnston | There is significant time being spent in resource_extend, and at present there is no way to pass resources to extenders in bulk form. | 14:07 |
| njohnston | My main concern that led me to submit this as an RFE is that this be graceful to use for items that leverage resource_extend, especially because I don't know if any out of tree extensions register with resource_extend. I would not be surprised if they do. | 14:08 |
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| njohnston | I don't have a clear idea of what the performance gains will be, but I do think they will be non-trivial. And this benefits more than just the bulk port optimization work - if any other bulk operations will be optimized in future this can be leveraged there as well. | 14:12 |
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| mlavalle | Yeah... This is an area we can explore with the work I've been doing with code profiling | 14:14 |
| mlavalle | This weekend I will push the final version of that tooling, per the last meeting of the performance team | 14:14 |
| mlavalle | so we can start exploring how much improvement comes out of this RFE | 14:15 |
| slaweq | njohnston: so with this profiling tool from mlavalle You should be able to measure actually how much time it spends now on resource_extend operations and than we can know better how (if) much we can win there | 14:16 |
| njohnston | slaweq: Correct, which I think is a natural pre-requisite for this. | 14:16 |
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| slaweq | so njohnston do You think we should get back to this rfe when You will do some profiling already? | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | why not approve the RFE and require a PoC | 14:19 |
| njohnston | I am fine with either option | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | where njohnston writes the PoC and I help with the profiling | 14:19 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: that would work for me too | 14:19 |
| slaweq | haleyb: yamamoto: any opinions? | 14:20 |
| yamamoto | fine with either ways | 14:20 |
| haleyb | i think it would be great to get this done, as we know more users are using bulk ops | 14:20 |
| slaweq | ok, so lets approve rfe and I will add comment about PoC and profiling it | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | profiling before and after | 14:22 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: correct | 14:23 |
| njohnston | The POC will start disabled, so it will be functionally the same as master... then it should be a one-liner to enable it for profiling | 14:23 |
| njohnston | to make it easy | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 14:23 |
| slaweq | ok, lets move on than | 14:24 |
| slaweq | next rfe | 14:24 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1825345 | 14:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1825345 in neutron "[RFE] admin-state-down doesn't evacuate bindings in the dhcp_agent_id column" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 14:24 |
| slaweq | this one was discussed some time ago already | 14:24 |
| slaweq | recently I talked with zigo about it on irc | 14:24 |
| slaweq | and I wrote summary of pros and cons of 2 possible solutions in my last comment | 14:24 |
| slaweq | so I wanted to discuss here which option is in Your opinion better (or maybe there is some 3rd one?) and what we will finally do with this rfe | 14:25 |
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| ralonsoh | with client side implementation, we have the drawback of a slower evacuation, but this is also a pros (see server side cons: possible congestion) | 14:29 |
| ralonsoh | Am I correct? | 14:29 |
| slaweq | ralonsoh: yes, that is correct IMO | 14:29 |
| ralonsoh | so +1 to client (easier, no API, no server change) | 14:30 |
| haleyb | it reminds me a little of the StarlingX proposal for automatic re-balancing, but not exactly | 14:31 |
| njohnston | I had the same thought haleyb | 14:31 |
| mlavalle | yeah, but in this case the rebalancing is manual | 14:32 |
| mlavalle | it's in control of the admin | 14:32 |
| haleyb | that was a little different, i think it might be Ok to do this in the server, maybe just in two steps - --disable, then --evacuate | 14:32 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: agreed, automatic is not preferred by me | 14:32 |
| haleyb | slaweq: in some cases, for example when dhcp_agents_per_network (or whatever that is) == number of controllers, evacuating an agent might do nothing, since the network is already scheduled on the others | 14:33 |
| slaweq | haleyb: I agree, this should be done only on admin's request | 14:33 |
| haleyb | we still have the issue of un-balanced when the agent is brought back | 14:34 |
| slaweq | haleyb: but that's IMO different problem than this rfe is trying to address | 14:35 |
| haleyb | slaweq: right, just an obvious comment for another RFE :) | 14:35 |
| slaweq | :) | 14:35 |
| yamamoto | how would the --evacuate option look like at the rest api level? | 14:36 |
| slaweq | yamamoto: I guess it should be new API call, something like /agents/<agent_id>/evacuate | 14:37 |
| slaweq | but that's only my assumption now | 14:37 |
| mlavalle | but maybe yamamoto is asking more about the mechanics of how it would work | 14:39 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: so that I don't know, it's zigo's proposal | 14:40 |
| njohnston | I wonder if it's like get-me-a-network, it's a rest call that just orchestrates a few other operations under the hood | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | most likely | 14:41 |
| slaweq | njohnston: probably it would be like that | 14:41 |
| yamamoto | is there any precedent where we have this kind of automation in the client? | 14:42 |
| slaweq | IIUC there are some plans to add project deletion (like ospurge) into openstack sdk | 14:44 |
| slaweq | but it's for sure not implemented there yet | 14:44 |
| njohnston | and that is better as a client based thing because it spans multiple services | 14:45 |
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| slaweq | njohnston: I agree | 14:49 |
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| slaweq | nova have evacute of vms from host, right? | 14:50 |
| mlavalle | yes | 14:50 |
| slaweq | and it's done on server side, is that correct? | 14:50 |
| mlavalle | yes | 14:50 |
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| slaweq | do You know about other projects who provides such option for some resources maybe? | 14:52 |
| mlavalle | https://docs.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/?expanded=evacuate-server-evacuate-action-detail | 14:52 |
| mlavalle | it is an action you perform on a server | 14:52 |
| slaweq | so maybe we should do it also on server side to be kind of "consistent" with e.g. nova? | 14:53 |
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| mlavalle | and the 'host' parameter that goes in the request body is optional | 14:53 |
| mlavalle | if not specified, the scheduler picks a destination host | 14:54 |
| slaweq | ahh, but it's to evacuate "VM" | 14:54 |
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| slaweq | so in our case it would be "evacuate network X from agent Y" | 14:55 |
| mlavalle | yeah | 14:55 |
| mlavalle | but it's a good parallel | 14:56 |
| slaweq | but for that we have already API | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | most likely that's where zigo got the idea from | 14:56 |
| slaweq | https://docs.openstack.org/api-ref/network/v2/?expanded=schedule-a-network-to-a-dhcp-agent-detail#agents | 14:56 |
| slaweq | what we are potentially missing is something like "evacuate all networks from agent Y" | 14:57 |
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| mlavalle | why not clarify that in the RFE? | 14:57 |
| slaweq | so it would be something a but different than what "nova's evacuate" is | 14:57 |
| slaweq | ok, I will ask to clarify that in rfe | 14:57 |
| slaweq | and we will get back to this one once again | 14:58 |
| slaweq | ok for You? | 14:58 |
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| njohnston | +1 | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | if you read the initial description in the RFE, he proposes: openstack network agent evacuate e865d619-b122-4234-aebb-3f5c24df1c8e | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | which is menas network by network | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | which means network by network | 14:59 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: do You think that "e865d619-b122-4234-aebb-3f5c24df1c8e" is network id in this example? | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | in other words, it is a parallel to the Nova evacuate | 15:00 |
| slaweq | or agent id? | 15:00 |
| slaweq | IMO it's agent id | 15:00 |
| njohnston | I think it's an agent id | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | you are right, it is agent id | 15:00 |
| ralonsoh | (time is up) | 15:00 |
| slaweq | ok, have to finish now | 15:00 |
| slaweq | thx for attending | 15:00 |
| njohnston | o/ | 15:00 |
| slaweq | and have a great weekend | 15:00 |
| slaweq | o/ | 15:00 |
| slaweq | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:00 | |
| ralonsoh | bye! | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Oct 18 15:00:43 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-10-18-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-10-18-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-10-18-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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