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| efried | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 22 14:00:10 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is efried. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:00 |
| yonglihe | o/ | 14:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 14:00 |
| stephenfin | o/ | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | \o | 14:01 |
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| aspiers | o/ | 14:02 |
| efried | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:02 |
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| efried | #topic Last meeting | 14:03 |
| efried | #link Minutes from last (*2) meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-08-08-14.01.html | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Last meeting (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:03 | |
| efried | Last week it was just me & takashin, and we didn't have anything to discuss, so we didn't bother going through the agenda. Stats below will be for 2 weeks worth of bugs. | 14:03 |
| efried | anything to bring up from 2 weeks ago? | 14:04 |
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| mriedem | i was younger and happier | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | full of vim and vigor | 14:05 |
| efried | there there | 14:05 |
| efried | #topic Release News | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:05 | |
| efried | three weaks to feature freeze | 14:05 |
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| efried | heh | 14:06 |
| efried | sean-k-mooney moment there | 14:06 |
| efried | #link Train release schedule https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Train_Release_Schedule | 14:06 |
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| efried | As if you didn't know, #action everyone do lots of reviews | 14:07 |
| aspiers | What are the chances of SEV landing before the freeze? It's currently 2nd in the runway queue | 14:07 |
| efried | so I had been tempted to compose a list of blueprints I think are "close" and could just stand a quick final look to be pushed through | 14:07 |
| efried | but thought that would potentially subvert the runways process | 14:07 |
| efried | how do others feel? | 14:07 |
| gibi | I assume that if something is in the runway queue it is ready so you actualy has a list already | 14:08 |
| gibi | efried: or you want to filter that list down a bit? | 14:09 |
| efried | right, but there are things that are "really close" that are waaay down in the queue | 14:09 |
| mriedem | there are at least 3 api changes that are all conflicting for the next microversion, | 14:09 |
| mriedem | so somehow serializing those would be nice, and i think they are all the same owner (brinzhang) | 14:09 |
| alex_xu | yonglihe has one very close | 14:09 |
| mriedem | i think the unshelve + az one is going to be next given it's in a runway right now and it's had active review | 14:09 |
| mriedem | oh right that's 4 | 14:09 |
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| yonglihe | @alex_xu, thank, i just thing how to attract force. | 14:10 |
| yonglihe | thing/ think | 14:10 |
| mriedem | efried: really close aka forbidden aggregates? | 14:10 |
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| efried | yeah, that's one that was on top of brain | 14:10 |
| mriedem | some stuff has been reviewed outside of the runway slot, like pmu, but i had looked for that one as well since i knew the spec was pretty simple | 14:11 |
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| efried | yeah, not being in a runway slot doesn't mean it can't be reviewed of course | 14:11 |
| efried | I think we have several blueprints that are counting on that ^ :P | 14:11 |
| mriedem | i think for the really close stuff, | 14:11 |
| mriedem | people just need prodding | 14:11 |
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| efried | "ad hoc prod" vs "efried writes up something more formal" | 14:11 |
| mriedem | so if for forbidden aggregates that means poking dansmith, i guess poke on | 14:11 |
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| mriedem | efried: writing something up / etherpad doesn't mean people will look w/o being poked | 14:12 |
| mriedem | from experience, | 14:12 |
| mriedem | it's good for project management either way so if it clears your head go nuts | 14:12 |
| efried | true story. | 14:12 |
| mriedem | i did it in the past for my own mental health | 14:12 |
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| efried | public shaming can be effective, though | 14:12 |
| yonglihe | 😂 | 14:13 |
| efried | okay, I'll see whether "digital pillory" floats to the top of my to-do list this week. | 14:14 |
| efried | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:14 | |
| efried | No Critical bugs | 14:14 |
| efried | #link 69 new untriaged bugs (+2 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 14:14 |
| efried | #link 3 untagged untriaged bugs (+2 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 14:14 |
| mriedem | i haven't really done anything with this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1839800 | 14:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1839800 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "instance need to trigger onupdate when nwinfo update" [Undecided,New] | 14:14 |
| mriedem | since it's kind of opinion, | 14:14 |
| mriedem | but i can see the logic | 14:14 |
| mriedem | in case others care to weigh in | 14:14 |
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| gibi | feels similar to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1704928 | 14:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1704928 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "updated_at field is set on the instance only after it is scheduled" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Balazs Gibizer (balazs-gibizer) | 14:16 |
| mriedem | gibi: that's a deep cut | 14:16 |
| gibi | I know, this is why it is not progressing | 14:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | im not sure if the updated at field should be updated for this | 14:18 |
| mriedem | you never replied to my nack :) | 14:18 |
| mriedem | anyway, | 14:18 |
| mriedem | let's talk on reviews and in bugs or -nova later | 14:18 |
| gibi | mriedem: I had no idea what to do with it :) | 14:18 |
| mriedem | gibi: but you have the cape man! | 14:18 |
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| * gibi needs to think about who to pass that cape | 14:19 | |
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| efried | Totally. | 14:20 |
| efried | moving on... | 14:20 |
| efried | #topic Gate status | 14:20 |
| efried | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 14:20 |
| efried | #link 3rd party CI status (seems to be back in action) http://ciwatch.mmedvede.net/project?project=nova | 14:20 |
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| efried | seeing a lot of that innodb thing lately :( | 14:20 |
| efried | also grenade things have seemed quite brittle for the past week or two. | 14:20 |
| mriedem | yeah, that's one a single provider so i'm not sure what's up with that | 14:20 |
| mriedem | grenade as in ssh fails? | 14:20 |
| mriedem | on the old side? | 14:21 |
| mriedem | if so, there is a devstack patch to stein for that | 14:21 |
| efried | I'm not sure, I haven't dug into a lot of them | 14:21 |
| mriedem | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/676760/ | 14:21 |
| sean-k-mooney | mriedem: the patch to enable memcache? | 14:21 |
| mriedem | yes | 14:21 |
| efried | After you mentioned a bug number a few days ago, I started trying to find that same issue in the subsequent failures, but either it was something different or I was looking in the wrong place. | 14:21 |
| efried | so I basically gave up. | 14:21 |
| efried | and just started blind rechecking. | 14:22 |
| efried | mriedem: does that need a devstack core or a stable core? | 14:22 |
| mriedem | devstack core | 14:22 |
| efried | or is devstack-stable its own thing? | 14:22 |
| mriedem | so gmann | 14:22 |
| mriedem | no | 14:22 |
| efried | okay | 14:22 |
| mriedem | devstack is special, there is no stable team | 14:22 |
| efried | I knew there was something unusual there | 14:23 |
| efried | Could frickler approve it? | 14:24 |
| mriedem | oh i'm sure, or ianw | 14:24 |
| mriedem | i pinged gmann in -qa | 14:24 |
| mriedem | or clarkb | 14:24 |
| mriedem | or sdague! | 14:25 |
| efried | I was about to say, let's resurrect that guy ^ | 14:25 |
| efried | As for the innodb thing, that's on limestone-regionone? Who owns that? | 14:26 |
| mriedem | moving on? | 14:26 |
| mriedem | you'd have to ask in -infra | 14:26 |
| mriedem | i forget the name | 14:26 |
| efried | okay, pinging in -infra | 14:26 |
| efried | moving on. | 14:26 |
| efried | #topic Reminders | 14:27 |
| efried | any? | 14:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:27 | |
| dansmith | wear your seatbelts, kids | 14:27 |
| mriedem | my car dings if i don't so i do | 14:27 |
| efried | #action kids to wear seatbelts | 14:27 |
| efried | #topic Stable branch status | 14:27 |
| efried | #link stable/stein: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/stein | 14:27 |
| efried | #link stable/rocky: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/rocky | 14:27 |
| efried | #link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/queens | 14:27 |
| mriedem | big gubment safety standards | 14:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:27 | |
| efried | mriedem: stable nooz? | 14:28 |
| mriedem | stable reviews are piling up again, | 14:28 |
| * alex_xu can keep the body float on the seat | 14:28 | |
| mriedem | we have a regression on stable that needs reviews, sec | 14:28 |
| mriedem | https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:bug/1839560+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 14:29 |
| mriedem | lyarwood must be on vacation? | 14:29 |
| sean-k-mooney | he is back | 14:29 |
| mriedem | maybe dansmith can hit those stein ones | 14:29 |
| dansmith | my dance card is getting pretty full today | 14:29 |
| dansmith | but remind me | 14:29 |
| sean-k-mooney | mriedem: did TheJulia comment on if the backport fixed there issue | 14:30 |
| mriedem | https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:bug/1839560+branch:stable/stein | 14:30 |
| mriedem | sean-k-mooney: haven't heard | 14:30 |
| TheJulia | mriedem: zuul won't let us trigger the job, just says merge error | 14:30 |
| TheJulia | so... *shrug* | 14:30 |
| mriedem | TheJulia: link me the ironic patch in -nova | 14:31 |
| efried | anything else stable? | 14:31 |
| mriedem | no | 14:31 |
| efried | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 14:32 |
| efried | Placement (cdent) | 14:32 |
| efried | #link latest pupdate http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-August/008537.html | 14:32 |
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| efried | cdent is on vacation this week | 14:32 |
| efried | summary: | 14:32 |
| efried | Consumer Types: "nice to have" but not critical for Train. | 14:32 |
| efried | same_subtree discoveries - docs needed | 14:32 |
| efried | osc-placement needs attention | 14:32 |
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| mriedem | tetsuro and i have been reviewing mel's osc-placement series | 14:32 |
| mriedem | for the aggregate inventory thing | 14:32 |
| mriedem | should land soon | 14:32 |
| efried | ++ | 14:32 |
| efried | API (gmann) | 14:33 |
| efried | This week updates: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-August/008669.html | 14:33 |
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| efried | comments, questions, concerns? | 14:34 |
| efried | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:34 |
| efried | any? | 14:34 |
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| efried | #topic Review status page | 14:35 |
| efried | #link http://status.openstack.org/reviews/#nova | 14:35 |
| efried | Count: 459 (+2); Top score: 1415 (+42) | 14:35 |
| efried | #help Pick a patch near the top, shepherd it to closure | 14:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review status page (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:35 | |
| efried | #topic Open discussion | 14:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:35 | |
| efried | one item on the agenda | 14:35 |
| efried | #link generic resource management for VPMEM, VGPU, and beyond http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-August/008625.html | 14:35 |
| efried | alex_xu: care to take the mic? | 14:36 |
| mriedem | i'll say i know i haven't replied yet, still need to digest that | 14:36 |
| dansmith | and I'm recusing myself | 14:36 |
| alex_xu | yea, I summary the xml way and db way's pros/cons for the resource claim | 14:36 |
| sean-k-mooney | most of my comment in the mail about future use. but i like the direction | 14:37 |
| alex_xu | here is the new plan https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vpmems-non-virt-driver-specific-new | 14:37 |
| efried | TL;DR: | 14:38 |
| efried | - generic `resources` object stored on the Instance and (old/new) on MigrationContext | 14:38 |
| efried | - virt driver update_provider_tree responsible for populating it if/as necessary | 14:38 |
| efried | - RT uses it (without introspecting the hyp-specific bits) to claim individual resources on the platform. | 14:38 |
| alex_xu | efried: thanks | 14:38 |
| mriedem | sounds like ERT | 14:38 |
| mriedem | amiright folks | 14:38 |
| dansmith | yup | 14:38 |
| efried | I don't know what that is | 14:39 |
| dansmith | the previous dumpster fire | 14:39 |
| alex_xu | also like pcimanager, but without host side persistent | 14:39 |
| mriedem | json blob for out of tree hp public cloud things pre-placement | 14:39 |
| mriedem | that killed about 3 years of effort | 14:39 |
| dansmith | and squashed many souls | 14:39 |
| mriedem | phil day hasn't been seen since | 14:39 |
| sean-k-mooney | ERT (extensible resouce tracker) | 14:40 |
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| alex_xu | oh, at least, we aren't going to make any extension | 14:40 |
| sean-k-mooney | https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/juno/implemented/extensible-resource-tracking.html | 14:40 |
| sean-k-mooney | alex_xu: right your proposal does not leave the RT/virt driver | 14:40 |
| mriedem | i thought we've wanted to move away from the pci manager for placement but in the case of vgpu and vpmem we're just using placement inventory to tell us how many of a device we have on a host, but not which devices are allocated, which is what pci manager does for pci devices (inventory and allocation tracking) | 14:41 |
| efried | right, this would (eventually) allow us to do away with the PCI manager | 14:42 |
| efried | effectively, move the "select which device" logic into the virt driver and get rid of the rest | 14:42 |
| efried | scratch that, "select which device" still in RT. | 14:42 |
| efried | so yeah, get rid of PCI manager. | 14:42 |
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| sean-k-mooney | yes. but there are other gaps to fill first before we can | 14:43 |
| mriedem | i know i mentioned to alex_xu that i thought it could be possible to get the vpmem allocation info from the hypervisor and only use persistence with the migration context during a move operation (resize) to ease that issue with same host resize, but i still need to read through the ML thread | 14:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | e.g. moding pci device in placment. and passing allocation candiates to the weighers | 14:43 |
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| sean-k-mooney | this is a step on that path | 14:43 |
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| efried | sean-k-mooney: yes. It provides a clean divide at the virt driver boundary, which IMO is the biggest architectural hurdle we were going to need to overcome. | 14:44 |
| mriedem | anyway, not going to solve this here | 14:44 |
| alex_xu | yea, I think the goal is total different | 14:44 |
| alex_xu | ERT has plugin for RT, and plugin for host manager, that is extension for the whole nova-scheduler | 14:44 |
| alex_xu | that isn't what we want | 14:44 |
| alex_xu | we want something to manage the resource assignment of compute node. since placement only know how many resource we have, but don't know which resource can be assigned | 14:44 |
| alex_xu | oops, my network slow, just bump a lot of messages... | 14:45 |
| efried | Fair enough. Sounds like dansmith is abstaining, so I think basically we're asking for mriedem's buy-in on this direction. | 14:45 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: to be clear, my ERT comment was mostly about storing generic json blobs for resource tracking purposes | 14:45 |
| mriedem | not that anyone is proposing plugins | 14:45 |
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| mriedem | what if i defer to dansmith? then we hit an infinite loop? | 14:46 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: that json-blob is version object dump, so under the version control, and only read/write by virt driver. | 14:46 |
| dansmith | heh | 14:46 |
| alex_xu | :) | 14:46 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: for now, until someone wants to add a weigher | 14:46 |
| mriedem | but i digress | 14:46 |
| sean-k-mooney | we can continue on ml i think | 14:47 |
| efried | alex_xu: Did you say code was forthcoming soon? | 14:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | but i think plamcnet aware (allocation candiate aware) weigher would mitigate the need to look at the json blob | 14:47 |
| alex_xu | yes, luyao already verfied the code, and she is working on unittest, and refine the code. I think we can bring the code up in two or three days | 14:48 |
| efried | mriedem: would that help ^ or is it really just a matter of carving out time to read the ML? | 14:48 |
| alex_xu | most of code she already have, since our initial proposal is about the db | 14:48 |
| mriedem | reading wip code isn't going to help me, i'll procrastinate more on that | 14:48 |
| efried | ack | 14:49 |
| mriedem | i just need to read the ML | 14:49 |
| efried | Okay, /me adds to pester list | 14:49 |
| mriedem | i also know that CI will never happen for any of this | 14:49 |
| mriedem | so i'm on the fence about just saying, "do whatever you want, it won't be tested anyway" | 14:49 |
| efried | You mean CI jobs with real vpmems behind them? | 14:49 |
| mriedem | i.e. if anyone ever uses it and it doesn't work, i guess we hope they report it and someone fixes it | 14:50 |
| mriedem | efried: yes | 14:50 |
| alex_xu | we promised to have ci for vpmem, and rui is working on it | 14:50 |
| mriedem | even a periodic job | 14:50 |
| alex_xu | and good progress | 14:50 |
| efried | that's good to hear | 14:50 |
| efried | okay, let's move on. | 14:50 |
| efried | any other open topics? | 14:51 |
| mriedem | there is an open question about a regression in stein for ironic rebalance, | 14:51 |
| mriedem | and lost allocations, | 14:51 |
| mriedem | so i need to find someone to test and verify that, but it's probably better to just ask on the ML | 14:51 |
| mriedem | dtantsur might be able to do it | 14:51 |
| mriedem | so action for me to ask about testing that on the ML | 14:52 |
| mriedem | no idea if ironic has a CI job that does a rebalance with an allocated node, | 14:52 |
| mriedem | if so we could just check there | 14:52 |
| efried | Okay. | 14:54 |
| efried | Thanks all. | 14:54 |
| efried | o/ | 14:54 |
| efried | #endmeeting | 14:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 22 14:54:45 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:54 |
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| gagehugo | #startmeeting security | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 22 15:00:46 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:00 |
| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda agenda | 15:01 |
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| * fungi is partly around | 15:01 | |
| gagehugo | our agenda is pretty light atm | 15:02 |
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| gagehugo | #topic open discussion | 15:05 |
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| gagehugo | fungi: do you have anything new? | 15:05 |
| fungi | i don't think so, no | 15:07 |
| fungi | my past couple weeks have been focused on other things | 15:07 |
| gagehugo | ok, there hasn't been any new public things either as of yet afaik | 15:08 |
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| gagehugo | thanks for coming | 15:11 |
| gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:11 |
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