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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Aug 16 14:00:04 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:00 |
| slaweq | hi | 14:00 |
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| mlavalle | let's wait a couple of minutes | 14:01 |
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| mlavalle | mhhhh, maybe the others are off today | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | amotoki most likely | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | let's wait a few more minutes | 14:08 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | there he is | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | now we have quorum | 14:09 |
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| slaweq | \o/ | 14:09 |
| haleyb | there was a shiny object nearby :) | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | so let's get going | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | #topic RFEs | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:10 | |
| mlavalle | we will start today with https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1832526 | 14:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1832526 in neutron "[RFE] Network segmentation support for edge deployments" [Wishlist,New] | 14:10 |
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| slaweq | mlavalle: I have some questions to Your last comment in this RFE | 14:14 |
| mlavalle | sure | 14:14 |
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| slaweq | mlavalle: about point "2. Admin creates a Neutron network associated with the "Small Edge" host" -- isn't this done already by bridge mappings? | 14:14 |
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| mlavalle | yes and no | 14:15 |
| njohnston_ | reading your analysis on the bug mlavalle it strikes me that this is really a subset or a special case of availability zones, is it not? | 14:15 |
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| slaweq | and informations about bridge_mappings are already send to the placement with info about bandwidth, am I right? | 14:16 |
| mlavalle | yes, but are you suggesting that this has to be associated with QoS? | 14:17 |
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| mlavalle | so some of the mechanisms may be already in place, but I think we need to repurpose them for this use case | 14:18 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: no, just saying that this should be eventually easy to accomplish as we have necessary bits already | 14:18 |
| slaweq | IIUC of course :) | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | I think we are saying the same thing | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | much of the machinery is in place, but we need to adapt it | 14:19 |
| slaweq | ok | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | njohnston_: I hadn't thought of that perspective | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | but maybe taking that perspective might help us... tell me more please | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | slaweq: good points though | 14:21 |
| njohnston | mlavalle: Well the thrust of AZ is that instead of a single L2 domain spanning the entire region, L2 domains are bounded by the AZ which correlates to a specific set of compute/network capacity | 14:22 |
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| mlavalle | so one availability zone per "Small edge"? | 14:23 |
| njohnston | yes, precisely. The biggest hint that this RFE aligns with AZs is the explicit statement that connectivity between small edge sites cannot be guaranteed, which matches up with how the mesh does not stretch across AZ boundaries | 14:24 |
| mlavalle | so if we take that perspective, do we get this RFE for free? | 14:25 |
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| njohnston | I am thinking it through but I don't see any gaps yet | 14:25 |
| slaweq | I don't think we will have this RFE for free then | 14:25 |
| njohnston | I'm not an expert in availability zones so I am glad for those with more expertise to weigh in | 14:26 |
| slaweq | as now networks in neutron are not aware of availability zone and can works in many zones, so still You will need IMO some mechanism to assign network to the AZ, right? | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | slaweq: that is also my understanding | 14:27 |
| slaweq | currently in Neutron only L3 and DHCP agents are somehow aware of AZs but I'm not sure exactly how this works tbh | 14:27 |
| njohnston | Isn't there a network_availability_zone extension that provides support of availability zone for networks? | 14:28 |
| njohnston | https://docs.openstack.org/api-ref/network/v2/?expanded=list-all-availability-zones-detail#network-availability-zone-extension | 14:28 |
| slaweq | njohnston: tbh I don't know :) | 14:29 |
| * mlavalle looking quickly at the code | 14:29 | |
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| slaweq | one more thing, there is also this rfe https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1808062 which might be somehow related to what we are discussing now | 14:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1808062 in neutron "[RFE] Limit VXLAN to within Neutron availability zones" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Kailun Qin (kailun.qin) | 14:29 |
| njohnston | slaweq: Yes, I was thinking about that RFE, I was not sure if that had been implemented yet. I think that would be necessary. | 14:30 |
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| mlavalle | here's the extension definition in nuetron-lib https://github.com/openstack/neutron-lib/blob/master/neutron_lib/api/definitions/network_availability_zone.py | 14:33 |
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| slaweq | so IIUC this availability zones for networks can be used to assign it to proper dhcp agent | 14:34 |
| slaweq | and router to proper L3 agent | 14:34 |
| slaweq | according to https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/0cde163967e6b1d3f7bc499dfbfbdd2c7e09930b/doc/source/admin/config-az.rst | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | looking at the code it seems it is only used for agents | 14:35 |
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| slaweq | but maybe this rfe can be driven in this direction to extend usage of availability zones concept there | 14:36 |
| njohnston | Hmm, it just occurred to me - in it's interactions with neutron, is placement AZ-aware? | 14:36 |
| mlavalle | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/agentschedulers_db.py#L492 | 14:37 |
| njohnston | I like framing this as an AZ solution because it is a generalized solution that helps edge but also can be applied in other solutions. | 14:37 |
| mlavalle | so yeah, I agree that the AZ approach framing gives us a more generalized approach | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | so it boils down to what we said earlier.... | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | we have bits and pieces that we have to put together to meet this RFE / use case | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | right? | 14:38 |
| slaweq | that is at least my understanding of this rfe | 14:39 |
| mlavalle | and then we need to make sure that the placement / Nova scheduler is aware | 14:39 |
| mlavalle | placement / Nova scheduler comobo^^^^ | 14:39 |
| njohnston | +1 | 14:40 |
| slaweq | and if we would somehow reuse concept of AZs in Neutron, there would be no API changes required, right? | 14:41 |
| mlavalle | most likely, but let's leave it as an open question | 14:41 |
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| slaweq | +1 | 14:42 |
| mlavalle | given that we need anyway to get the Nova / Placement combo guys on board, here's what I propose: | 14:43 |
| mlavalle | 1) Since the use case makes sense, let's approve the RFE, with the understanding that: | 14:43 |
| mlavalle | 2) We will write a spec to explore how to weave all the pieces together and identify gaps. This might involve a PoC | 14:44 |
| mlavalle | 3) Let's try to make progress in the spec in time to discuss it in Shanghai in the session with Nova / Placement | 14:44 |
| mlavalle | 4) I volunteer to work on 2 and 3 | 14:45 |
| njohnston_ | +1 | 14:45 |
| slaweq | +1, sounds like a plan :) | 14:45 |
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| mlavalle | what do you think haleyb? | 14:49 |
| haleyb | +1 from me | 14:50 |
| mlavalle | cool | 14:50 |
| mlavalle | approved it is | 14:50 |
| mlavalle | next one for today is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1837847 | 14:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1837847 in neutron "[RFE] neutron-vpnaas OpenVPN driver" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 14:51 |
| mlavalle | we discussed it last week | 14:51 |
| mlavalle | and yamamoto posted questions | 14:51 |
| mlavalle | which the submitter responded | 14:51 |
| mlavalle | submitter will be off the next two weeks, so we have time to look at his response carefully | 14:52 |
| mlavalle | why don't we do that and come back to it next week? | 14:52 |
| njohnston_ | makes sense | 14:53 |
| slaweq | I will try to read it today and I will wrote a comment if I will have anything to add there | 14:54 |
| mlavalle | yes, I know slaweq will be off the next two weeks | 14:54 |
| mlavalle | don't worry too much about it | 14:54 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: actually next week only regarding this meeting | 14:54 |
| slaweq | I should be back on meeting in 2 weeks :) | 14:54 |
| mlavalle | ahhh, good to know | 14:54 |
| mlavalle | anyways, enjoy the beach! | 14:55 |
| mlavalle | and the family! | 14:55 |
| slaweq | thx a lot | 14:55 |
| mlavalle | ok team | 14:55 |
| mlavalle | great discussion today | 14:55 |
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| mlavalle | I think we made a lot of progress as team with the edge case | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | have a great weekend! | 14:56 |
| slaweq | thx, You too :) | 14:56 |
| njohnston_ | o/ | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 14:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:56 | |
| slaweq | o/ | 14:56 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Aug 16 14:56:43 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-08-16-14.00.html | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-08-16-14.00.txt | 14:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-08-16-14.00.log.html | 14:56 |
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