Friday, 2019-01-11

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Haunted330what would you do 19 year old speaks up00:34
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ekcs#startmeeting congressteammeeting04:00
openstackMeeting started Fri Jan 11 04:00:07 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.04:00
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ekcshmm04:00
Haunted330please move this to your department's channel04:00
Haunted330#openstack-congress04:00
akhil_jainekcs: hi04:01
ekcsOk not sure what’s going on but I guess we can talk on #congress04:01
Haunted330well even that you cant do now because it is 10pm CST. Site hours are M-F 6am-10pm CST, Saturday-Sundy 8am-4pm CST. For meeting channels, hours are M-F 8am-4pm CST04:01
Haunted330for #openstack hours are M-F 8am-4pm CST04:02
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ekcssorry I’m really confused. is there an email or webpage that explains the change?04:05
Haunted330This is no change04:05
Haunted330this is how it has always been04:05
Haunted330but now we are really enforcing this04:06
Haunted330The site has asked me to really enforce this rule04:06
Haunted330Im just doing what they pay me to do04:06
ekcswhich site?04:06
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akhil_jainekcs: i think you must ignore this user in userslist04:07
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Haunted330so you have to either change the location or the time of your meeting. The time of your meeting wont work in any channel for it is after 10pm CST04:09
Haunted330Just come on back at 8am CST which is approximately 10 hours from now04:10
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ekcsok sorry about that no idea what that was.04:15
ekcsthe topics are at the usual place.04:15
ekcsfeel free to add your topics.04:17
ekcsI’ll dive in now.04:17
ekcs#topic congress-tempest-plugin stable branch jobs incorrect04:17
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ekcsA problem came up that very strangely, stable branch zuul jobs on congress-tempest-plugin don’t seem to be doing the right thing.04:19
ekcsfor example, the new z3 builtin tests should’ve failed, but didn’t.04:19
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ekcsthat’s why this cherrypick is failing: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/629029/04:19
ekcsbecause the new tests in tempest fail.04:20
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ekcsfor whatever reason, the failure doesn’t show up in the stable branch jobs triggered by congress-tempest-plugin patch. I’m guessing it’s some kind of misconfiguration.04:20
ekcsI send something to the ML to see if I can get some hints. but just an update on that for now.04:21
ekcsany questions or comments?04:22
ekcsI’ll add a note to that cherrypick patch not to recheck in the mean time.04:23
akhil_jainyes gone through your mail. and tried to dig in logs. but not found anything as of now04:23
akhil_jainalso gate failing in congress-tempest-plugin stating openstack congress datasource create command not founf04:24
ekcsok can you link to that?04:24
akhil_jainhttp://logs.openstack.org/74/621974/1/check/congress-devstack-py35-api-mysql-queens/ec8cceb/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz04:25
akhil_jainlast lines of this04:26
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akhil_jainhttp://logs.openstack.org/74/621974/1/check/congress-devstack-py35-api-mysql-queens/ec8cceb/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz#_2019-01-11_01_39_03_98404:26
ekcshmm that’s very strange. I guess I’ll investigate it. no idea right now what could be causing that.04:27
ekcsI guess we’ll move on for now then.04:28
akhil_jainfailed in queens04:28
akhil_jainpassed in rocky http://logs.openstack.org/74/621974/1/check/congress-devstack-py35-api-mysql-rocky/6e59800/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz#_2019-01-11_01_16_34_52304:28
ekcsyea…. we’ll need to look into what version of the client is getting used for the queens job.04:30
akhil_jainits master for openstackclient everywhere04:30
akhil_jainwill dig more on my end and let you know04:31
ekcsi see. yea that’s very strange. the only thing that’s changed on the client is adding the py36 to classifier. could have something to do with that… but i don’t have any ideas right now.04:32
ekcsyea thanks!04:32
ekcswell let’s move on then.04:33
ekcs#topic api-ref04:33
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ekcsyou added that topic akhil_jain ?04:33
akhil_jainyes, just an idea. need your view if we should implement it in congress04:34
akhil_jainnova is currently generating sample response files automatically from templates of request by making request04:34
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akhil_jainplus they are comparing the response with template response04:35
akhil_jainthat way we can get two benefits. 1. updated docs everytime things changes. 2. functional testing with every api change04:36
akhil_jainalso link with more details: https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/contributor/api.html#functional-tests-and-api-samples04:36
ekcsI think it’s very helpful. but also quite a lot of work for a small project. would you like to look into how much work it’d be and whether you feel it’s worth the effort vs other things?04:37
ekcsit’s definitely a good thing.04:38
akhil_jainya sure. will have to look into code for that.04:38
akhil_jainthanks for input04:38
ekcsgreat!04:38
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ekcsok let’s move along then.04:39
ekcs#topic patches04:39
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ekcsanything to discuss here?04:39
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akhil_jainI have gone through your comments. thanks for detailed review as always. will make nova test changes today itself and working on tacker tests04:40
ekcsI’ve submitted a patch for json model. it’s the first piece doing most basic implementation of polling json ingester. more pieces will follow (diferential update, push ingester, etc.). but the first piece is ready for review.04:41
ekcsgreat!04:41
ekcs#topic open discussion04:42
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akhil_jainyes i saw that. didnt got time to understand it completely. will go through it soon enough04:42
ekcsyup no rush! thanks!04:43
ekcsanything else we want to discuss today?04:43
akhil_jainone more thing. do you have any check in mind that can go in upgrade checks04:43
ekcshere’s my understanding but correct me if wrong.04:44
ekcsbasically if we make changes which could cause incompatibility or problem from one version to the next, we’d also add an upgrade check for that.04:45
ekcsso far i think the only thing is monasca webhook schema change.04:46
ekcsthe tc page has a helpful tip which is basically thinghs we’d mention in the upgrade section of the release notes may have a corresponding upgrade check.04:46
ekcsso maybe we could check to see whether monasca webhook is used?04:47
akhil_jainyes that is valid check for congress upgrade. will try implementing that04:48
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akhil_jaini will ask for your help when i start working on that04:48
ekcsok great! I’m actually not quite sure how it’d be implemented. to check whether monasca webhook driver is being used. unfortunately it’s not in config. so need to find a way to ether api congress or check the database.04:51
ekcsthanks for bringing it up. i didn’t even think about the monasca webhook change. thought there was nothing needed yet.04:52
ekcsanyway I’ll think a bit more about how to do it too and we can reconvene when ready.04:53
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akhil_jainthats great. thanks04:53
ekcsprobably most straight forward to import congress/db/datasources and use it to check the driver field of all active data sources.04:54
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ekcsok time’s almost up for today.04:56
akhil_jainhmm that will work04:56
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ekcsany last things to talk about?04:56
akhil_jaini think thats it for m=now04:57
akhil_jainnow*04:57
akhil_jainthis now is idle from long https://review.openstack.org/#/c/597110/04:58
ekcsright. I’ll take one last look and merge it.04:58
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akhil_jainok. anything else from your end?04:59
ekcsnot at the moment =)04:59
ekcslet’s wrap up then cuz time’s up.05:00
ekcshappy new year too!05:00
ekcs#endmeeting05:00
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akhil_jainThanks and to you too :) Bye!05:00
ekcshave a great weekend!05:00
akhil_jainHappy weekend!05:01
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mlavalle#startmeeting neutron_drivers14:00
openstackMeeting started Fri Jan 11 14:00:06 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
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njohnston                                o/14:02
slaweqhi14:02
cheng1hi14:02
amotokihi14:02
kailunhi14:02
mlavallehi, how are you?14:03
slaweqvery good, thx :)14:03
amotokigood :)14:03
mlavallelet's wait a minute to see if yamamoto or haleyb join in14:04
mlavallecheng1, kailun: these are the the RFEs we have in the agenda for today: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=rfe-triaged14:05
mlavalledo you want to discuss something else?14:05
cheng1can we talk about this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/180873114:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1808731 in neutron "[RFE] Needs to restart metadata proxy with the start/restart of l3/dhcp agent" [Undecided,Triaged] - Assigned to cheng li (chengli3)14:05
cheng1if we have time today14:05
kailunI have no topic, just interested in some of the topics in the agenda :)14:05
kailunthanks :)14:05
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mlavallecheng1: I most likely I don't think we will have time. Here's how the process works: the RFE's move forward in the following order in a pipeline: rfe, rfe-confirmed, rfe-triage. We discuss them here in the rfe-triaged stage14:07
mlavallebefore that, we conduct the conversation with you in launachpad14:07
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mlavallewhat I can offer you is that I will provide feedback in launchpad today and will ask the other members of the team do the same14:09
mlavallewe'll try to discuss it next week. Does that work?14:09
cheng1mlavalle: sure, thanks14:09
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mlavallehaleyb_: right when we are about to start the discussion14:10
mlavalleAgain, these are the RFEs that we have up for discussion today: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=rfe-triaged14:10
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mlavalle#topic RFEs discussion14:11
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mlavalleLet's start from the top:14:11
mlavallehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/180605214:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1806052 in neutron "[RFE] Changing segmentation_id of existing network should be allowed" [Wishlist,New]14:11
mlavallesubmitted by our own haleyb_14:11
mlavalleis there anything you want to add to it, haleyb_?14:12
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haleybsorry, irc got messed-up, segment_id rfe?14:13
mlavallehaleyb: yes14:13
mlavalledo you want to add anything to it?14:13
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haleybi hadn't answered the questions, but yes, it would require re-binding all the ports and assumes down time14:14
mlavalleso the downtime is acceptable in this use case, correct?14:15
haleybbut that is ok for our use case since deleting and re-creating is not preferred14:15
haleybyes, downtime while re-binding is ok in this case14:16
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mlavallethe RFE makes sense to me14:16
slaweqI think that if user would like to change it now, so he need to remove and add new networks downtime would be even longer so that can be considered as improvement IMO14:16
amotokiit makes sense to me14:16
slaweqand I also think that it makes sense14:16
njohnstonmakes sense to me14:16
amotokieven with downtime, users do not need to recreate their VMs for example14:16
mlavalleshould we go ahead and start writing a spec?14:17
haleybyes, we could do that14:17
mlavalleis this something that you plan to work on haleyb?14:17
amotokiagree. it would clarifz the scope of the work.14:18
haleybmlavalle: either myself or someone on our team, yes14:18
mlavallealso I think we need to consider how to do this in such a way that we don't overwhelm the server with massive re-bindings14:19
haleybi can add that to the bug14:20
mlavalleyeah14:20
mlavalleI already marked it approved14:21
mlavalleso please go ahead working on the spec14:21
haleyback14:21
mlavalleNext up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/180806214:22
openstackLaunchpad bug 1808062 in neutron "[RFE] Limit VXLAN to within Neutron availability zones" [Wishlist,New]14:22
mlavallekailun: btw, forgot to mention yopu are always welcome to attend14:22
slaweqI wonder if L2pop is not "solution" for such use case described in this BZ14:22
amotokislaweq: what is "BZ"?14:23
slaweqamotoki: sorry, launchpad14:23
slaweqBZ is bugzilla14:23
slaweqtoo much D/S work ;)14:23
amotokiaha14:23
mlavallebut even tweaking l2pop, the simplified mesh will cross AZ boundaries, which is what the submitter proposes to prevent14:24
mlavallel2pop aims to simplify the mesh, righ?14:25
kailunmlavalle: no problem, thx :)14:25
slaweqmlavalle: but if AZ limits VMs to be spawned only in one AZ, then L2pop should make that tunnels will be created between nodes from same AZ, right?14:25
slaweqand if AZ is not guarantee that, how we can create tunnels only in one AZ? What with vms which are in same network and on hosts from other AZ then?14:26
mlavallehe is showing in his description that the tuneels were formed accross AZs14:27
mlavallebut yeah, maybe he didn't have l2pop enabled14:27
mlavallethat's a good point14:27
haleybi should have asked dan yesterday in person :-/14:28
amotokithis rfe reminds me the "segment" feature. if we split a network into VXLAN zones, ports cannot communicate across VXLAN zones.14:28
amotokii haven't fully understood the motivation of this (and NSX transport zone)14:29
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mlavalleamotoki: he proposes this as a config option and presumably he is is willing to pay that price14:30
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slaweqcan it be somehow restricted from nova side that vms connected to one network will always be only in one AZ?14:30
slaweqor we should ensure somehow that ports connected to such network are only in one AZ?14:30
slaweqwithout that I think that this might be error-prone for users14:31
amotokithat's the reason I mentioend "segment" feature. do we need to map subnets on a network into segments when we support this?14:31
amotokiat least it seems we cannot use a same subnet for different VXLAN zones (in this case, AZ)14:32
mlavalleright, if a user deploys this, all the networking is contained in AZ14:33
mlavallewe would be segregating networking by AZ14:34
amotokiso perhaps this is related to slaweq's l2pop question. this means a neutron network is split into multiple segments and l2pop will work inside a segment14:34
mlavalleI think it would mean a network would not span more that one AZ14:35
amotokimlavalle: same as my understanding14:35
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amotokiah, i see.14:36
amotokithere are two inpretations: the one is that a neutron network is limited inside one AZ14:36
mlavalleyes, that's one14:37
amotokithe other is a neutron network is spread across AZs and VXLAN zone(?) can be mapped into a segment.14:37
amotokiI first thought the latter option.14:37
amotokiso my comment "same as my understanding" looks not correct14:38
mlavalleNo I don't think that is what proposing: he mentions an example where firewalls prevent traffic accross AZs14:38
mlavalleand therefor it doesn't make sense to have VXLAN accross the AZs14:39
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mlavalleso it really boils to enabling AZs at the network level, I think14:39
amotokimlavalle: but isn't it same as sitaution with segments?14:39
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mlavalleno beacause if you are in a sgemt of a network, you expect to be able to be able to be able to communicate with any other segment in your same network14:40
njohnstonit also would require some guidance for operators, for example possibly needing to plan on having a network node per AZ14:41
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amotokimlavalle: yes, operators are responsible to ensure traffic is reachable across segments (in case of the segment feature).14:41
mlavallecorrect. segements are more admin constructs. tenants for the most part, should worry about segmentation. They just see their network14:42
mlavalletenants shouldn't worry about segments ^^^14:42
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mlavallenjohnston: yes, this has deployment guidance implications14:43
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mlavalleso I propose to post some clarifyin questions in the RFE as next step:14:44
mlavalle1) as slaweq said, would l2pop be an implicit solution for this?14:45
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mlavalle2) Is the submitter proposing to constrain networks to span only 1 AZ?14:45
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mlavalle3) What would be the impact for the deployer in terms of networking nodes, etc?14:45
mlavallemakes sense?14:46
njohnston+114:46
amotoki+114:46
haleyb+114:46
slaweq+114:46
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mlavalleok, for the sake of time, I'll post them at the end of the meeting14:46
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mlavallelet's go to the third RFE of the day: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/180987814:47
openstackLaunchpad bug 1809878 in neutron "[RFE] Move sanity-checks to neutron-status CLI tool" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq)14:47
amotokiI like this proposal.14:48
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slaweqyes, I was thinking that now, when we have "neutron status upgrade check" tool14:48
njohnstonI think it makes a lot of sense, and I like how it enables stadium projects14:48
slaweqwe can also do "neutron-status sanity check" as subcommand of it14:48
mlavalleyes, it also made sense to me last night14:49
slaweqI can take care of it and move existing sanity checks to new CLI tool and format but14:49
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haleybslaweq: do other projects have sanity check tools as well?  just wondering if it also has uses outside neutron14:50
amotokiit also proposes to allow stadium/3rd party projects to add sanity checks. it is nice too.14:51
slaweqhaleyb: I don't know in fact14:51
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amotokiI don't know there are another sanity checks in other projects either :p14:51
mlavalleslaweq: you ended above your sentence with "but". What's the "but"?14:52
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haleybmaybe matt does?  was just a thought, didn't want to necessarily make this a stadium project14:52
slaweqmlavalle: I don't know :)14:52
mlavallenevermind14:52
slaweqit shoudn't be there :)14:52
slaweqsorry14:52
haleyb\b\b\b\14:53
haleyband i meant openstack not neutron stadium btw14:53
mlavalleslaweq: wouuld it make sense to get mriedem's opinion?14:53
slaweqmlavalle: yes, sure14:53
mlavallehaleyb: ^^^^14:53
slaweqI can ask him about opinion about this14:53
haleybmlavalle: ack14:54
mlavallehe is off this week (suffering in Cancun)14:54
mlavallehe'll be back on Monday14:54
slaweqok, I will ask him next week to take a look at this RFE then14:54
slaweqthx mlavalle for info14:54
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mlavalleok, let's finish the discussion on this one once we get Matt's opinion14:55
slaweq+114:55
mlavallethat's the Matt you meant haleyb, right?14:55
haleybmlavalle: yes, the suffering Matt :)14:56
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mlavalleI also encourage the team to provide feedback to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/180873114:56
openstackLaunchpad bug 1808731 in neutron "[RFE] Needs to restart metadata proxy with the start/restart of l3/dhcp agent" [Undecided,Triaged] - Assigned to cheng li (chengli3)14:56
mlavalleso we can help cheng1 next week14:57
slaweqok14:57
mlavalleThanks for attending14:57
mlavalleHave a great weekend!14:57
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