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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 12 16:00:07 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| whoami-rajat | Hi | 16:00 |
| LiangFang | hi | 16:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | courtesy ping: | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | jungleboyj diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon tpsilva ganso patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut lseki _alastor_ whoami-rajat yikun rosmaita enriquetaso | 16:00 |
| walshh_ | Hi | 16:00 |
| lixiaoy1 | HI | 16:00 |
| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| erlon | hey! | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:01 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (^-^*)/ | 16:01 |
| carlos_silva | hi | 16:01 |
| ganso | hello | 16:01 |
| rajinir | hi | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Nice that we have been having good attendance lately. | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you! | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, have a lot of topics this week so we should get started. | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | I don't have any announcements. | 16:02 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | I am still planning on meeting next week. Will people be able to attend? | 16:03 |
| geguileo | I will | 16:03 |
| whoami-rajat | Yes. | 16:03 |
| rosmaita | yes | 16:03 |
| erlon | jungleboyj, why woudlnt? | 16:03 |
| e0ne | I'll probably skip it | 16:03 |
| ganso | yes | 16:03 |
| walshh_ | yes | 16:03 |
| carlos_silva | yes | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | erlon: Getting close to people's Christmas Vacations. | 16:03 |
| erlon | jungleboyj, hmm | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. Looks like we will have a good number of people there so I will keep the meeting and then we will be off for a week or two after that. | 16:04 |
| yikun | hello | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | I think smcginnis will be back next week so it will be good to have a meeting with him before the Holidays. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | So, on to the topics: | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic Close launchpad bug " cinder-backup - CLI 'VolumeBackupsRestore' object is not iterable | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Close launchpad bug " cinder-backup - CLI 'VolumeBackupsRestore' object is not iterable (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:05 | |
| jungleboyj | enriquetaso: | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1733315 | 16:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1733315 in python-openstackclient "cinder-backup - CLI 'VolumeBackupsRestore' object is not iterable" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | So, it looks like enriquetaso thought it was fixed but smcginnis thought it needed to be tested on the openstackcli . | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | No response after that. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | enriquetaso: Are you here? | 16:08 |
| erlon | jungleboyj, it seems like we need some more testing before closing it | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, sounds like it. | 16:09 |
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| whoami-rajat | I think eharney and smcginnis agreed that this should be closed but they said they don't have the appropriate permissions to do so. | 16:09 |
| erlon | whoami-rajat, so, they tested with openstack client? | 16:09 |
| eharney | well it may have been reproduced incorrectly, need to find that out first | 16:09 |
| whoami-rajat | erlon: i'm not sure. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Seems we don't have enough info here to make a decision. | 16:10 |
| erlon | eharney, the behaviour seemed very straight forward to reproduce | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | erlon: Yeah. It appears so. | 16:11 |
| eharney | i'm just reading the comments in the bug | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | I don't have an environment up to test it at the moment though. | 16:12 |
| eharney | there's nothing to do until someone reports back on whether it still fails or not | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | I will update the bug then accordingly. | 16:12 |
| lixiaoy1 | do we need to verify openstack client CLI? | 16:12 |
| lixiaoy1 | seems that Sofia only checked it with cinder cli | 16:13 |
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| erlon | lixiaoy1, that is the point smcginnis put | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | lixiaoy1: Yep and I just re-iterated that. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Driver reinitialization after failure | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Driver reinitialization after failure (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:15 | |
| jungleboyj | lixiaoy1: All your's | 16:15 |
| lixiaoy1 | thank you | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/622697 | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/618702/ | 16:16 |
| lixiaoy1 | we have agreed on that driver can be reinitialized when having recoverable errros during ptg | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | Right. | 16:16 |
| eharney | i'm not sure the spec for this makes a very solid case for why we should do this | 16:16 |
| lixiaoy1 | currently Alan gave a comments about why we should differentiate recoverable and unrecoverable errors | 16:16 |
| enriquetaso | lixiaoy1: I will check it with openstack cli | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: We talked about this at the PTG. | 16:17 |
| abishop | should _not_ distinguish :-/ | 16:17 |
| eharney | and said what.. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | It is to keep systems hitting uncrecoverable errors from spinning endlessly making it harder to see the real failure. | 16:17 |
| lixiaoy1 | abishop: yes, should not | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | enriquetaso: Thank you. | 16:17 |
| abishop | jungleboyj: not sure how encountering the same unrecoverable error will make it harder to discover root cause | 16:18 |
| erlon | eharney, sometimes storage backends takes longer to be available than cinder vol services | 16:18 |
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| geguileo | erlon: didn't we have some retries for that in the initialization? | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | abishop: Because right now the driver fails to initialize but the volume driver instance keeps going and all you get are unitiialized errors. No one goes back far enough to see why it wasn't initialized. | 16:19 |
| eharney | the whole premise of this feature is that it's better to stop trying to initialize the driver when something happens than it is to retry initializing it, but the longer i look at this, it's not clear why that would be the case | 16:19 |
| erlon | geguileo, if we do nobody mentioned about it so far | 16:20 |
| geguileo | erlon: maybe it's just my imagination XD | 16:20 |
| erlon | not that I heard of, but I think no | 16:20 |
| lixiaoy1 | geguileo: erlon I have tested the driver failure case, there is no reintialization. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: I am not aware of anything. | 16:21 |
| geguileo | now I remember, we used to have an infinate loop | 16:21 |
| geguileo | then we removed it and left it with NO repetition | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: That sounds more right. Seems like we may have swung too far. | 16:22 |
| geguileo | probably an exponential backoff with 3 or 4 tries under specific circumnstances would have been good | 16:22 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:22 |
| erlon | geguileo, +1 | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: ++ | 16:22 |
| ganso | at the PTG we discussed that there is precendent for retrying to initialize a driver under certain situations. What lixiaoy1 is proposing is to not re-initialize when a certain exception is thrown, because it would be pointless. I believe the behavior today is already to retry multiple times | 16:22 |
| lixiaoy1 | I am going to add driver reintialization, and there is a config to set retry nubmer | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | lixiaoy1: ++ I think that is good to do. | 16:23 |
| lixiaoy1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/618702/11 | 16:23 |
| eharney | would it not be better to just always retry? how do we decide, in code, when we shouldn't retry? | 16:23 |
| erlon | lixiaoy1, + | 16:24 |
| erlon | 1 | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Well, if the driver reports a config error. There is the question of whether they do that right. | 16:24 |
| lixiaoy1 | in fact, if we alway retry, that will be simpler. as I found that in driver, the exception is not uniformal for import errrors. | 16:24 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: config error isn't what the patches talked about, they also mention missing deps and some other cases | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Right. | 16:25 |
| eharney | but that's the issue | 16:25 |
| erlon | eharney, config erro, missing libs etc are errors that should not be recoverable | 16:25 |
| geguileo | eharney: I think it will retry by default unless the new exception is raised | 16:25 |
| geguileo | erlon: new exception is here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/622697 | 16:25 |
| eharney | but missing libs are recoverable -- you install them, and things work | 16:25 |
| ganso | eharney: I'm confused, aren't we already retrying like 2 or 3 times? | 16:25 |
| geguileo | eharney: and the retry here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/618702 | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: and leave the driver spinning during that? | 16:25 |
| erlon | a central discussion there is wheter we should always retry except some errors, or, never retry except some errors | 16:26 |
| eharney | my point is | 16:26 |
| geguileo | ganso: that's what I thought, but they told me that's not the case | 16:26 |
| eharney | we're trying to draw a line between recoverable and non-recoverable errors | 16:26 |
| eharney | and i don't see how that line is being defined in any clear way yet | 16:26 |
| geguileo | eharney: I think we will retry always, but let drivers decide when they don't want to retry | 16:26 |
| geguileo | It would be a driver decission | 16:26 |
| eharney | with no guidelines defined..? | 16:27 |
| abishop | I still don't see why retrying an unrecoverable error is an issue | 16:27 |
| abishop | can the driver really be certain the error is truly unrecoverable? | 16:27 |
| erlon | abishop, agreed, that shoudnt be a problem at all | 16:27 |
| eharney | there's a patch up that makes the rbd driver not retry if python-rados is missing. i don't see how that change actually helps any real-world user | 16:27 |
| erlon | the driver will still not work just that, and that is not a lot of resources | 16:27 |
| lixiaoy1 | so how about we create a exception to indicate unrecoverable errors, let drivers decide whether to retry or not | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. | 16:28 |
| abishop | erlon: yes! in which case I see no reason for drivers to judge whether the error is recoverable | 16:28 |
| eharney | leaving this up to people implementing drivers is just going to leave admins confused about when retries would happen and when they wouldn't | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | lixiaoy1: What is the goal here? | 16:28 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: ++ | 16:28 |
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| lixiaoy1 | jungleboyj: you mean the new exception? | 16:29 |
| erlon | eharney, your answer falls in the case of the cloud revover, where after a few retries, without human intervention, the cloud will be back | 16:29 |
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| jungleboyj | lixiaoy1: Well, the overall goal of this change. I feel like that has been lost here. What is the use case? | 16:29 |
| erlon | s/revover/recover/g | 16:29 |
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| lixiaoy1 | the user case is that the cinder service may be ready ahead of backend storage services | 16:30 |
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| eharney | the implementation and spec so far are way broader than that case | 16:31 |
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| lixiaoy1 | and cinder service fails to initialize volume driver, even later the storage service is ready soon | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | So, basically, you want to be able to keep retrying if it can't contact the backend. | 16:31 |
| lixiaoy1 | yes. | 16:31 |
| abishop | seems like the value is doing *some* retry, but distinguishing between recoverable and unrecoverable errors seems a distraction | 16:32 |
| erlon | I would consider the approach mentioned by abishop, just always retry, no matter the error. It would make things, and discussions a lot easier | 16:32 |
| lixiaoy1 | so that the admin doesn't need to restart cinder service manually | 16:32 |
| abishop | erlon: +1 | 16:32 |
| erlon | and we don't need to rely on driver changes, which would never happen (for most backends) anyways | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | erlon: Which is what we used to do. But maybe that is what we want. | 16:32 |
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| jungleboyj | lixiaoy1: What are your thoughts on trying something like that? | 16:33 |
| erlon | jungleboyj, may be just because there's any benefit in differentiating both cases | 16:33 |
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| lixiaoy1 | always retry is much simpler, for me, no need to update driver codes | 16:34 |
| LiangFang | retry seems reasonable, but the interval of retry may need to be longer if failed to retry | 16:35 |
| lixiaoy1 | after retry the specified count, it will not go on | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | That would actually be somewhat better as we would see the actual init failure in the logs rather than just the periodic job failing. | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | Do we have any disagreement with the proposal? | 16:36 |
| erlon | LiangFang, the exponential backoff would solve that | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | erlon: ++ | 16:36 |
| lixiaoy1 | jungleboyj: the proposal you mean always retry? | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | lixiaoy1: Yes. | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | With an exponential backoff. | 16:37 |
| lixiaoy1 | what do you mean by exponential backoff? | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | Each time it fails it waits longer before trying again. | 16:38 |
| abishop | maybe with an upper bound | 16:38 |
| geguileo | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_backoff | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | Waits 2 seconds, then 4, 8, 16, etc. | 16:38 |
| yikun | expo backoff means [0, 1, 2, 4, 8] or [0, 0~2, 0~4, 0~8]? | 16:38 |
| lixiaoy1 | currently I would like to retry with the interval of reporting volume stats to scheduler | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | Lets go forward with that proposal as it seems to have less contention. | 16:39 |
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| jungleboyj | I suppose that could be an approach. | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | At this point I think we need to propose an update to the spec and work the details there? | 16:40 |
| lixiaoy1 | ok | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | lixiaoy1: Thanks. eharney and abishop can you please make sure to put your input there. | 16:41 |
| eharney | sure | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | Cool. | 16:41 |
| lixiaoy1 | thank you all | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | #action lixiaoy1 to update the spec based on this discussion. | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | #action eharney abishop to review the spec based on their concerns. | 16:41 |
| lixiaoy1 | got it | 16:42 |
| abishop | sure | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | Cool. Thank you all. | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so we have a launchpad bug with no owner here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1799381 | 16:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1799381 in Cinder "Cinder Netapp NFS driver has different host and provider_location" [Undecided,New] | 16:43 |
| erlon | jungleboyj, what do you mean no owner? | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | Based on the comments it looks like it can be closed. | 16:44 |
| whoami-rajat | Based on the comments it looks like its fixed in master but i didn't had the environment to reproduce it so i thought to bring it up in the cinder meeting. | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | No owner on the etherpad for the discussion. | 16:44 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: sorry i forgot to add my name there. | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Ah, gotcha. | 16:45 |
| erlon | jungleboyj, ow, I see | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: I will take a closer look at the bug and close it if it looks fixed. | 16:45 |
| erlon | me and tpsilva can work with you on that rajat | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | erlon: Or that would be even better. :-) | 16:46 |
| whoami-rajat | erlon: Thanks. that will be helpful. | 16:46 |
| erlon | though we have tested weren't able to reproduce it in newer releases | 16:46 |
| tpsilva | is the original reporter in the meeting? | 16:47 |
| erlon | whoami-rajat, we will double check and then close if the fix is confirmed | 16:47 |
| tpsilva | we couldn't reproduce this issue | 16:47 |
| tpsilva | but we'll take another look on that | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | tpsilva: Sounds like a good plan. | 16:47 |
| whoami-rajat | erlon: ok. sounds good. | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Anything more there? | 16:48 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: no, thats all. | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, cool. | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Fix LVM thinpool overallocation | 16:48 |
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| jungleboyj | LiangFang: | 16:48 |
| LiangFang | hi | 16:49 |
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| jungleboyj | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/623639/ | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/623639/ | 16:49 |
| LiangFang | when creating volume, scheduler know the volume size and will consider this | 16:49 |
| LiangFang | but lvm driver itself still report the volume stat without the size that is creating | 16:50 |
| erlon | LiangFang, you mean as the pool information? | 16:50 |
| LiangFang | yes | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | Is this just a request for reviews? | 16:50 |
| erlon | the used size right? | 16:50 |
| LiangFang | so scheduler get a wrong pool size | 16:50 |
| eharney | what's the bug exactly? that stats from the driver are behind for a bit when volumes are created? | 16:50 |
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| LiangFang | jungleboyj: yes | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | Can we just handle questions through the review then? | 16:51 |
| erlon | LiangFang, just for a bit or it keep like that always? | 16:51 |
| LiangFang | before finishing creating volume | 16:52 |
| LiangFang | it always report a wrong stat | 16:52 |
| erlon | LiangFang, Ill check that out later today | 16:53 |
| eharney | isn't that normal behavior with how our scheduler and volume service work? | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: That was what I am thinking. | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | If the volume hasn't been created yet ... then the data hasn't changed. | 16:53 |
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| eharney | i don't see any reason the LVM driver needs to be adding code to keep track of things in flight like this | 16:53 |
| LiangFang | eharney: but scheduler will consider there's enough free space there, and will let more volume to be created | 16:54 |
| eharney | LiangFang: yes, that's a limitation of our scheduling system that can happen with any backend though | 16:54 |
| LiangFang | but if the backend can report exact stat, I think it would be good | 16:55 |
| eharney | i don't think it's worth adding extra accounting and locks in the driver for this | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: ++ | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | I am concerned with changing our base driver like that. | 16:55 |
| eharney | i'm also not sure it actually resolves the problem anyway | 16:55 |
| eharney | because you still can have requests in flight between the scheduler and the volume service, etc., and have the same problem | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Lets move on as we are short on time. Please add your comments in the review. | 16:56 |
| eharney | and the new data reported in your patch won't be provided until an update stats call is performed anyway | 16:56 |
| erlon | Its not clear to me whether this is just for a leap of time or if the difference stays forever | 16:56 |
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| geguileo | erlon: it's a leap of time | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | erlon: I think it is a leap of time. | 16:57 |
| erlon | yeap, so, not a big deal | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | erlon: ++ | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | LiangFang: Is the next topic also a request for reviews. | 16:57 |
| LiangFang | yes | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. We will take a look at that and make comments there as well. | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | #topic cinderlib | 16:58 |
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| LiangFang | thanks | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Floor is your's for 2 min. | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: ? | 16:58 |
| geguileo | thanks | 16:59 |
| geguileo | just wanted to say that the patches are up for review | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Yes. | 16:59 |
| geguileo | there are 3 patches | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, I saw that. | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks for sharing. I will try to do a review soon. | 16:59 |
| geguileo | one for the code and unit tests | 16:59 |
| geguileo | another for the docs | 16:59 |
| geguileo | and the last one for the functional tests and the change to run it in the LIO barbican gate | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/620669 | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/620670 | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/620671 | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | So, team, please work on taking a look at those tests. | 17:00 |
| geguileo | so I would appreciate reviews :-) | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | I mean patches. | 17:00 |
| geguileo | lol | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Thanks for meeting today team! | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | See you all next week! | 17:01 |
| geguileo | thanks everyone! | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 12 21:00:46 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| notmyname | I suspect we may be rather low attendance today | 21:01 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:01 |
| rledisez | o/ | 21:01 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:01 |
| notmyname | tim and clay are both taking off of work today | 21:01 |
| notmyname | I wonder if mattoliverau is around | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| kota_ | oic | 21:02 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: rledisez: kota_: ok, if it's just us, then let's get started :-) | 21:02 |
| notmyname | I vote we assign all the work to people who aren't here ;-) | 21:02 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: i think mattoliverau said he would not be around | 21:02 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: ah ok | 21:02 |
| kota_ | mattoliverau left a message yesterday evening he might be absent because of wife's bday... birth day, maybe? | 21:03 |
| rledisez | notmyname: yu take the good decisions, that's why you get my vote every time ;) | 21:03 |
| notmyname | ah, ok | 21:03 |
| notmyname | rledisez: lol | 21:03 |
| notmyname | kota_: yeah, bday is a common typed abbreviation for birthday | 21:03 |
| notmyname | the only real thing I wanted to bring up this week was a new swift release | 21:03 |
| notmyname | I'd been waiting for the s3api patches to land, and they have! | 21:03 |
| kota_ | yey | 21:04 |
| kota_ | thx clayg! | 21:04 |
| notmyname | yep | 21:04 |
| notmyname | and I haven't seen other critical outstanding patches, so I think we should go ahead with a tag | 21:04 |
| kota_ | +1 | 21:04 |
| notmyname | I'm currently working on the authors changelog patch. I expect to have that proposed in a few hours (my afternoon today) | 21:04 |
| notmyname | I'd appreciate reviews, as always | 21:05 |
| notmyname | then as soon as that lands, I'll make the release tag request | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | timburke has identified several things that should be backported and made patches for them | 21:06 |
| notmyname | I'll do backport release tags, too, after I get the 2.20.0 tag sorted | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | any questions about the release? anything that you know of that needs to land? | 21:07 |
| notmyname | rledisez: I notices your ssync patch landed. that's good | 21:07 |
| rledisez | yeah, didn't know what happen, i think zuul went crazy lask week | 21:07 |
| notmyname | yeah, I think so | 21:08 |
| notmyname | if you see something that should be in the release, please update the wiki and ping me on irc about it | 21:08 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: how's py3 stuff going? | 21:09 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: I was away for a week and it looks like Cyril didn't do anything, so no change. I was done with account, started on container and found that it needed object server to run tests, so I was going to do the object server next. | 21:10 |
| zaitcev | We're at some 60 tests of 192 done (192 includes func and probe). | 21:10 |
| notmyname | great! | 21:10 |
| zaitcev | You think? | 21:11 |
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| zaitcev | We're in a critical red state here for Stein in RDO | 21:12 |
| notmyname | I do. it's progress, and it's good to see both you and cyril contributing | 21:12 |
| zaitcev | Actually, sorry - looks like Cyril filed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/624791/, but I didn't receive a notification. | 21:12 |
| patchbot | patch 624791 - swift - Python3: fix test_xprofile.py - 1 patch set | 21:12 |
| notmyname | earlier this week we had someone from canonical ask about it too. I said we could do a lot more if they would help us with it ;-) | 21:13 |
| notmyname | but yeah, it seems both redhat and canonical both have deadlines that are earlier than the openstack tc deadline and the python deadline | 21:13 |
| mattoliverau | Yeah sorry, I'm out at a cafe with the wife and kids for a birthday breakfast. | 21:14 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: do you (and/or cyril) have a particular plan of attack? you said you're going to do the object server next. do you have a plan anywhere? | 21:14 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: go back to brekky with the family! | 21:14 |
| zaitcev | We have a rule that says that "core" components must rely on components shipped with the main system, and RHEL 8 does not have py2 in that set. But OpenStack is a core product and Swift is a part of it. So... well, we can delay the whole Stein while I and Cyril are working on Swift. | 21:15 |
| kota_ | mattoliverau: o/ | 21:15 |
| zaitcev | Or I dunno. Maybe there's some bureaucratic and packaging trick that allows us to ship. I already started the ball rolling on that. | 21:15 |
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| zaitcev | notmyname: Sorry, there's no clear plan. The plan is to use tox.ini as a list of everything that works and never detract from it, keep adding randomly until it's all done. | 21:16 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:16 |
| notmyname | is your internal deadline based on the stein release? that's next april | 21:17 |
| zaitcev | There's a lot of unexpected, like I just mentioned. Who knew that container needs object, right? | 21:17 |
| zaitcev | yes, it's Stein. But we have an RC in RDO earlier. Also, 60/192 is only 32%. All-unit is 80% in case you're wondering. | 21:18 |
| notmyname | I wonder if a more public tracking of ported components would help. eg a trello board or something. I feel like surely we tried that in the past | 21:18 |
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| zaitcev | In other words, I and Tim have completed about 40% (32/80) in 3 months. We're just barely making it by April, not counting what happens if we screw on-disk compatibility somewhere :-) | 21:19 |
| notmyname | if your RC for RDO is before the stein release, then it can't include the stuff in the stein release, right? | 21:19 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: kk, and nice use of Aussie slang ;) | 21:19 |
| zaitcev | No, wait. April is 4th month, not 3rd. So there's a bit of a reserve for integrated tests (probe e.g.) | 21:19 |
| notmyname | I don't know how rdo does openstack releases | 21:19 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks ;-) | 21:19 |
| notmyname | kota_: rledisez: tdasilva: do you have any thoughts on this py3 topic? | 21:20 |
| zaitcev | Everyone who's new suggests Trello, but then it turns out that it takes more work to update that Trello than fix modules, unless it's some kind of disaster like the bulk middleware. | 21:20 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: you looking for a mapping between tests in tox.ini and components? | 21:21 |
| zaitcev | So Trello never happens | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: eh, just something we've used in the past for other stuff in swift | 21:21 |
| tdasilva | the tests list in tox.ini gives me a at a glance idea of where things are and what's not there | 21:22 |
| tdasilva | IMO | 21:22 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: sortof. more just wondering how to coordinate more people. eg if someone outside of redhat shows up to help with py3, then where do they start that doesn't interfere with the stuff redhat is doing? | 21:22 |
| tdasilva | that we don't have | 21:22 |
| tdasilva | but we don't have the people either i'm afraid, unless canonical has agreed to help or unless you are thinking of next time they show up you point them to the list.... | 21:23 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: yeah. more the latter, I'm afraid | 21:23 |
| tdasilva | maybe a wiki page off of ideas page? | 21:25 |
| zaitcev | tdasilva: if someone shows up, just tell look at py3 at Gerrit, look at tox.ini, then select any module they like out of remaining | 21:25 |
| zaitcev | It's just not worth the trouble to set up too much organization at this point. | 21:25 |
| notmyname | maybe it's something super simple like some comment lines in tox.ini on how to read it and how to add something to the list | 21:25 |
| zaitcev | Well, if 5 oe 20 people show up, maybe then. | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: ...also, I'd like a pony! ;-) | 21:26 |
| zaitcev | For some reason Cyril isn't showing up on IRC | 21:26 |
| zaitcev | So I e-mail him | 21:26 |
| notmyname | it's super late for him | 21:26 |
| tdasilva | zaitcev: he was here last week | 21:26 |
| zaitcev | oh, okay | 21:26 |
| tdasilva | and he was great! | 21:26 |
| zaitcev | Good, good | 21:26 |
| zaitcev | Well, he's good in general. He had experience with other OpenStack projects. | 21:27 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: what do you think of adding some comments to the list of py3 tests on how to read the list and how to find stuff to add to the list? | 21:27 |
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| zaitcev | My trip was too busy all the time, I basically didn't do any work at all. | 21:27 |
| notmyname | in lieu of setting up more comprehensive projet tracking systems | 21:27 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: okay | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | cool | 21:28 |
| tdasilva | zaitcev: so account is all done? | 21:28 |
| zaitcev | tdasilva: unit tests, yes. This implies that common DB layer is done too, it's just that we don't have container yet to prove it. | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: zaitcev: rledisez: kota_: anything else to bring up today? | 21:29 |
| tdasilva | zaitcev: ack | 21:29 |
| kota_ | notmyname: nothing | 21:29 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:29 |
| notmyname | we will have a meeting again next week. we should have the 2.20.0 release out by then | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | and then that will be our last meeting for 2018. we'll pick up again on january 3 | 21:30 |
| notmyname | sorry, jan 2 | 21:30 |
| kota_ | oic. Christmas is close. | 21:30 |
| rledisez | notmyname: nothing for me neither | 21:30 |
| rledisez | fyi, i'll be off for the meeting of january 3rd | 21:31 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:31 |
| notmyname | thanks, everyone, for your work on swift | 21:31 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 12 21:31:49 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-12-12-21.00.html | 21:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-12-12-21.00.txt | 21:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-12-12-21.00.log.html | 21:31 |
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