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| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 04:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 16 04:00:09 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:00 |
| samP | Hi all for masakari | 04:00 |
| sagara | Hi | 04:00 |
| samP | sagara: Hi | 04:00 |
| samP | #topic bugs/patches | 04:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs/patches (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:01 | |
| samP | I have merged some pathes for master, stable/queens, and stable/rocky | 04:01 |
| samP | pushed patch to release a new version for masakari-monitors for stable/queens | 04:02 |
| sagara | samP: OK, thanks. Is their any high priority bug? | 04:03 |
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| samP | sagara: need to fix rootwrap bug in masakari-monitors | 04:04 |
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| tpatil | Sorry to join late | 04:05 |
| samP | tpatil: hi | 04:05 |
| tpatil | samP: Hi | 04:06 |
| samP | Discussing about rootwrap bug in masakari-monitors | 04:06 |
| tpatil | samP: I have noticed you have merged 3-4 back ported patches. Thank you | 04:06 |
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| samP | tpatil: np, working for release new versions for them | 04:07 |
| tpatil | samP: Ok | 04:07 |
| sagara | samP: About fix rootwrap bug in masakari-monitors, please let me know the link. | 04:07 |
| samP | sagara: Im trying to find the link for that bug report | 04:09 |
| samP | with no luck | 04:09 |
| samP | I will share more details in mail later | 04:10 |
| samP | Any bugs or pathes need to discuss? | 04:10 |
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| tpatil | No | 04:11 |
| sagara | I also don't have any topic | 04:11 |
| samP | tpatil: sagara: thanks | 04:11 |
| samP | #topic Stein work items | 04:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stein work items (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:12 | |
| samP | Any update on stein work items | 04:12 |
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| tpatil | Notification specs implementation is in progress | 04:13 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks | 04:13 |
| tpatil | Working on drafting event notification specs | 04:13 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks | 04:14 |
| samP | About the functional test, | 04:15 |
| tpatil | We will push the functional tests written in openstacksdk for failover_segments and hosts in this week. For that, we will also add a CI job which will run masakari related functional tests. | 04:15 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks | 04:16 |
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| samP | As a extention of the discussion we had last week, I woul prefer to put functional test in masakari repo | 04:17 |
| samP | Also, I think we need some of those tests in sdk siede too. | 04:17 |
| tpatil | in openstacksdk, we will add few CRUD functional tests for segments and hosts | 04:19 |
| samP | tpatil: great, otherwise, there is no way to know whether the new changes gonna break the masakari command | 04:19 |
| tpatil | in masakari, we can add all sorts of functional tests including notifications for process/hosts/instances | 04:20 |
| samP | tpatil: great | 04:20 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks | 04:20 |
| samP | Anyother topics to discuss? | 04:21 |
| tpatil | Not from my end | 04:21 |
| samP | OK then, no other topics from my side | 04:23 |
| samP | Let's finish the meeting. | 04:24 |
| samP | Thank you for your time | 04:24 |
| samP | #endmeeting | 04:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 16 04:24:22 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-10-16-04.00.html | 04:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-10-16-04.00.txt | 04:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-10-16-04.00.log.html | 04:24 |
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| dkushwaha | #startmeeting tacker | 08:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 16 08:02:58 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dkushwaha. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 08:03 |
| dkushwaha | #topic Roll Call | 08:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:03 | |
| dkushwaha | who is here for Tacker weekly meeting ? | 08:03 |
| joxyuki | hi | 08:06 |
| dkushwaha | joxyuki, hi | 08:06 |
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| cao_bin | hi | 08:07 |
| dkushwaha | cao_bin, hi | 08:07 |
| dkushwaha | Seems no more friends available today :) | 08:09 |
| dkushwaha | ok lets start a brief meeting.. | 08:12 |
| dkushwaha | #topic Announcements | 08:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:12 | |
| dkushwaha | This time we have only Project update and project onboarding session in berlin summit | 08:13 |
| dkushwaha | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/summit-schedule/global-search?t=tacker+-+ | 08:13 |
| dkushwaha | Stein1 milestone is in next week. | 08:14 |
| dkushwaha | #link https://releases.openstack.org/stein/schedule.html | 08:14 |
| YanXing_an | hi | 08:14 |
| dkushwaha | We needs to focus on specs to finish them asap | 08:15 |
| dkushwaha | YanXing_an, hi | 08:15 |
| dkushwaha | #topic bp/mistral-monitor-policy | 08:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bp/mistral-monitor-policy (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:16 | |
| dkushwaha | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486924/ | 08:17 |
| dkushwaha | I resumed my work in this, but facing some design related issues in conductor | 08:17 |
| dkushwaha | I will update patch with raw code today | 08:18 |
| dkushwaha | YanXing_an, and all needs your help to review the patch | 08:18 |
| joxyuki | dkushwaha, what is the problem? | 08:20 |
| YanXing_an | dkushwaha, both li_jia_le and i are busy on projects these weeks | 08:20 |
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| dkushwaha | joxyuki, conductor is running as service and in action part, conductor not able to fatch mistralclient with error ¨service catalog is empty¨ | 08:21 |
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| dkushwaha | as of now i tried hardcoded workaround, but will change them further | 08:22 |
| dkushwaha | YanXing_an, ok | 08:22 |
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| dkushwaha | joxyuki, i will update the patch today with current code | 08:23 |
| joxyuki | ok | 08:23 |
| joxyuki | I will have a look it. | 08:23 |
| dkushwaha | #topic bp/force-delete-resources | 08:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bp/force-delete-resources (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:23 | |
| dkushwaha | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/602528/ | 08:24 |
| YanXing_an | dkushwaha, you mean conductor can not invoke mistral's api using client? | 08:24 |
| dkushwaha | no update on this week. | 08:24 |
| dkushwaha | YanXing_an, right | 08:24 |
| dkushwaha | YanXing_an, and i am not thinking to the same approach as we used for shared vim | 08:25 |
| dkushwaha | needs suggestions on that from you folks | 08:26 |
| dkushwaha | #topic bp/vdu-auto-healing | 08:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bp/vdu-auto-healing (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:26 | |
| YanXing_an | is it due to the "service" context can not access the keystone to get the endpoint? | 08:26 |
| dkushwaha | joxyuki, i have just commented on patch | 08:27 |
| dkushwaha | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/603558/ | 08:27 |
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| dkushwaha | YanXing_an, yes, and at the same time project_name is empty while creating new tocken | 08:28 |
| joxyuki | dkushwaha, I think existing `respawn` action are useful. | 08:29 |
| joxyuki | So I want to remain it as is. | 08:29 |
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| joxyuki | `respawn` action can be a last resort of trouble-shooting. | 08:30 |
| dkushwaha | joxyuki, do you have any usecase/plan for that? | 08:30 |
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| joxyuki | umm,,, no idea for now... | 08:32 |
| YanXing_an | why we need conductor invoke mistral? I think tacker-server will create a workflow to mistrial to monitor vnf, and conductor only do action, such as "respawn" | 08:32 |
| dkushwaha | joxyuki, ok lets keep it for now. | 08:33 |
| joxyuki | ok | 08:35 |
| dkushwaha | YanXing_an, when we call ¨call_vnf_policy_action¨, it runs under conducter context and call execute_action | 08:36 |
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| dkushwaha | YanXing_an, lets wait to update patch today | 08:37 |
| dkushwaha | It will be clear to discuss on that | 08:37 |
| YanXing_an | dkushwaha, ok, i need some time to understand that usecase :) | 08:38 |
| dkushwaha | YanXing_an, yup sure | 08:39 |
| dkushwaha | #topic OpenDiscussion | 08:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenDiscussion (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:40 | |
| dkushwaha | cao_bin, hi | 08:40 |
| dkushwaha | could you please introduce yourself | 08:41 |
| cao_bin | hi, i am from chinamobile, YanXing_an's colleague | 08:43 |
| dkushwaha | cao_bin, great :) | 08:44 |
| YanXing_an | cao_bin, expecting on your first patch | 08:44 |
| joxyuki | hi cao_bin :-) | 08:44 |
| cao_bin | ok | 08:44 |
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| cao_bin | hi, joxyuki | 08:45 |
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| dkushwaha | we are looking volunteer to help help test cases addition in tacker | 08:46 |
| dkushwaha | It will be great help if somebody can work on that | 08:47 |
| dkushwaha | this is complete from me for this week. | 08:48 |
| cao_bin | i'm glad to do it | 08:48 |
| dkushwaha | YanXing_an, joxyuki do you have some other topics to discuss? | 08:48 |
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| dkushwaha | cao_bin, Thanks for raising your hand. It will be really great help | 08:49 |
| cao_bin | It's my pleasure | 08:50 |
| dkushwaha | Ok, Thanks Folks.. | 08:52 |
| dkushwaha | closing this meeting now | 08:52 |
| dkushwaha | #endmeeting tacker | 08:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 08:52 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 16 08:52:56 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2018/tacker.2018-10-16-08.02.html | 08:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2018/tacker.2018-10-16-08.02.txt | 08:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2018/tacker.2018-10-16-08.02.log.html | 08:53 |
| joxyuki | bye | 08:53 |
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| slaweq | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:00 |
| slaweq | hi | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 16 16:00:08 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 16:00 |
| manjeets_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| slaweq | njohnston: haleyb: are You around for CI meeting? | 16:01 |
| haleyb | hi, missed reminder | 16:02 |
| slaweq | ok, lets start then | 16:02 |
| slaweq | #topic Actions from previous meetings | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from previous meetings (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:02 | |
| slaweq | njohnston look into fullstack compilation of ovs still needed on bionic | 16:02 |
| slaweq | I think njohnston is not around now so lets move to the next one | 16:03 |
| slaweq | slaweq will create scenario/tempest/fullstack/functional jobs running on Bionic in experimental queue | 16:03 |
| slaweq | I today pushed a patch for that https://review.openstack.org/610997 | 16:03 |
| slaweq | it's in experimental queue now and I will check how it will go | 16:04 |
| slaweq | I will update status of it next week, ok? | 16:04 |
| mlavalle | cool | 16:04 |
| slaweq | #action slaweq to continue checking how jobs will run on Bionic nodes | 16:05 |
| slaweq | ok, next one: | 16:05 |
| slaweq | mlavalle will check failing trunk scenario test | 16:05 |
| mlavalle | I've been working on this bug all this morning | 16:05 |
| mlavalle | we have 33 hits over the past 7 days | 16:06 |
| mlavalle | Most of those (~27) are in neutron-tempest-plugin-dvr-multinode-scenario | 16:06 |
| slaweq | at least this job is non voting :) | 16:06 |
| mlavalle | and the failure occurs after creating the servers when trying to check connectivity over the fip | 16:07 |
| mlavalle | to one of the servers | 16:07 |
| mlavalle | the test hasn't tried to do anything with the trunk yet | 16:07 |
| mlavalle | other than creating the trunk | 16:07 |
| mlavalle | so at this point I suspect the fip wiring in dvr | 16:08 |
| slaweq | did You check how long vm was booting? Maybe it's some timeout again? | 16:08 |
| mlavalle | no, the vms finish booting correctly | 16:08 |
| mlavalle | both of them | 16:08 |
| slaweq | ok | 16:08 |
| mlavalle | and then we go and try to ssh to one of them using the fip | 16:09 |
| mlavalle | checking connectivity before starting to play with the trunk | 16:09 |
| slaweq | I think it is quite common cause of failures in scenario tests - FIP is not reachable | 16:09 |
| mlavalle | yeah | 16:09 |
| mlavalle | at this point it seems to me to be a generic failure of the fip | 16:10 |
| slaweq | now the question is: how we can try to debug this issue? | 16:10 |
| mlavalle | but I am taking it as a good opporutnity to debug the neutron-tempest-plugin-dvr-multinode-scenario job | 16:10 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: so you can't ping the FIP? | 16:11 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: we can't ssh to it | 16:11 |
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| mlavalle | at this point I am chacking to see if this has to do with in what node the instance / port lands | 16:12 |
| mlavalle | controller vs compute | 16:12 |
| haleyb | it sounds like the problem we were seeing before the revert... i guess we can start tracing the packets w/tcpdump, etc | 16:12 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: yesh, I suspect that | 16:12 |
| mlavalle | I need to work this a little bit longer, though | 16:13 |
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| haleyb | ack | 16:13 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: yes, You can ask infra-root to set such job on hold and then if job will fail You will have ssh access to nodes | 16:13 |
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| mlavalle | slaweq: yeap, I might try that | 16:13 |
| slaweq | or do something "ugly" which I was doing when debugging dvr-multinode grenade issue | 16:13 |
| mlavalle | at this point I am gathering more evidence | 16:13 |
| slaweq | I send DNM patch where I was adding my ssh key to node | 16:14 |
| slaweq | and then You can e.g. add some sleep() in test code and login to nodes and debug | 16:14 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 16:14 |
| slaweq | without asking infra-root for holding job for You :) | 16:14 |
| * mordred also has timeout issues with floating ip functional tests for openstacksdk - but I haven't ruled out just needing to rework those tests | 16:15 | |
| slaweq | I wonder if this will still be not reachable after login to host or will all works fine then :) | 16:15 |
| mlavalle | will keep you posted mordred | 16:15 |
| mordred | mlavalle: thanks! also let me know if I can be of any help | 16:16 |
| mlavalle | that's as far as I've gotten with this. I'll continue working it | 16:16 |
| slaweq | thx mlavalle for working on this issue :) | 16:16 |
| slaweq | #action mlavalle to continue debugging issue with not reachable FIP in scenario jobs | 16:17 |
| slaweq | ok, next one then | 16:18 |
| slaweq | slaweq will try to reproduce and triage https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1687027 | 16:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1687027 in neutron "test_walk_versions tests fail with "IndexError: tuple index out of range" after timeout" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 16:18 |
| mlavalle | we got a fix, didn't we? | 16:18 |
| slaweq | Patch is in the gate already https://review.openstack.org/610003 | 16:18 |
| mlavalle | \o/ | 16:18 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: yes, it's kind of fix :) | 16:18 |
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| slaweq | but we should be good with it I hope | 16:18 |
| slaweq | and the last one from last week was: | 16:19 |
| slaweq | mlavalle to send an email about moving tempest plugins from stadium to separate repo | 16:19 |
| mlavalle | dang, I forgot that one | 16:19 |
| slaweq | no problem :) | 16:19 |
| mlavalle | I'll do it at the end of this meeting | 16:19 |
| slaweq | #action mlavalle to send an email about moving tempest plugins from stadium to separate repo | 16:20 |
| slaweq | ok, that's all from last week on my list | 16:20 |
| slaweq | #topic Grafana | 16:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Grafana (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:20 | |
| slaweq | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 16:20 |
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| slaweq | first of all - we are much better with grenade-multinode-dvr job now :) | 16:21 |
| slaweq | from other things I see that functional tests were on quite high failure level recently | 16:22 |
| slaweq | but it's related to this issue with db migrations which should be fine with my patch | 16:22 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 16:22 |
| mlavalle | overall, the picture looks good to me | 16:23 |
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| slaweq | yes, most of jobs are below 20% of failures | 16:23 |
| slaweq | so lets talk about few specific issues which I found last week and want to raise here | 16:24 |
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| slaweq | #topic fullstack/functional | 16:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "fullstack/functional (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:24 | |
| slaweq | about fullstack tests, I found few times issue with cleanup processes | 16:24 |
| slaweq | e.g.: | 16:24 |
| slaweq | http://logs.openstack.org/97/602497/5/check/neutron-fullstack/f110a1f/logs/testr_results.html.gz | 16:24 |
| slaweq | http://logs.openstack.org/68/564668/7/check/neutron-fullstack-python36/c4223c2/logs/testr_results.html.gz | 16:24 |
| slaweq | so various tests but similar failure | 16:25 |
| slaweq | here it looks that some process wasn't exited properly: http://logs.openstack.org/68/564668/7/check/neutron-fullstack-python36/c4223c2/logs/dsvm-fullstack-logs/TestOvsConnectivitySameNetwork.test_connectivity_GRE-l2pop-arp_responder,openflow-native_.txt.gz#_2018-10-16_02_43_49_755 | 16:26 |
| slaweq | at least for me | 16:26 |
| slaweq | and in this example it looks that it is openvswitch-agent: http://logs.openstack.org/68/564668/7/check/neutron-fullstack-python36/c4223c2/logs/dsvm-fullstack-logs/TestOvsConnectivitySameNetwork.test_connectivity_GRE-l2pop-arp_responder,openflow-native_/neutron-openvswitch-agent--2018-10-16--02-42-43-987526.txt.gz | 16:27 |
| slaweq | I don't know if that is an issue with tests or with ovs-agent process really | 16:28 |
| slaweq | Looking at logs of this ovs agent it looks that there is no log like "Agent caught SIGTERM, quitting daemon loop." at the end | 16:30 |
| slaweq | it is in other agents' logs but not in this one | 16:30 |
| mlavalle | so, are these cleanup issues causing tests to fail? | 16:30 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: yes, it looks that test if waiting for process to be exited and then timeout exception is raised | 16:30 |
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| mlavalle | that makes sense | 16:30 |
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| slaweq | I was thinking that I will open a bug for that to not forget about this and maybe there will be some volunteer to work on it :) | 16:32 |
| slaweq | if I will have some cycles, I will try to debug it more | 16:32 |
| mlavalle | that's a good idea | 16:32 |
| slaweq | ok | 16:33 |
| mlavalle | open the bug and if nobody volunteers, please remind us in the next meeting | 16:33 |
| slaweq | #action slaweq to report a bug about issue with process ending in fullstack tests | 16:33 |
| mlavalle | if I'm done with the trunk one | 16:33 |
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| slaweq | ok, thx mlavalle | 16:33 |
| mlavalle | and there is nothing more urgent, I'll take it | 16:33 |
| slaweq | I will remind it for sure if will be necessary | 16:34 |
| slaweq | ok, lets move on to scenario jobs now | 16:34 |
| slaweq | #topic Tempest/Scenario | 16:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest/Scenario (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:35 | |
| slaweq | first of all we still have this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1789434 | 16:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1789434 in neutron "neutron_tempest_plugin.scenario.test_migration.NetworkMigrationFromHA failing 100% times" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Manjeet Singh Bhatia (manjeet-s-bhatia) | 16:35 |
| slaweq | and I know that manjeets is working on it | 16:35 |
| slaweq | any updates manjeets? | 16:35 |
| slaweq | ok, I guess no | 16:37 |
| slaweq | so let's move on | 16:37 |
| slaweq | in neutron-tempest-plugin-scenario-linuxbridge I spotted at least two times issue with failed to transition FIP to down | 16:37 |
| slaweq | for example: | 16:38 |
| slaweq | http://logs.openstack.org/67/597567/23/check/neutron-tempest-plugin-scenario-linuxbridge/dc21cb0/testr_results.html.gz | 16:38 |
| slaweq | http://logs.openstack.org/97/602497/5/gate/neutron-tempest-plugin-scenario-linuxbridge/52c2890/testr_results.html.gz | 16:38 |
| slaweq | haleyb: I think You were debugging similar issue some time ago, right? | 16:39 |
| haleyb | slaweq: yes, and i thought the change merged | 16:39 |
| slaweq | and You found that this BUILD state is coming from nova | 16:39 |
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| slaweq | I think Your patch was merged, right | 16:39 |
| slaweq | but it looks that this problem still happens | 16:39 |
| haleyb | it's actually the state on the associated compute port | 16:39 |
| haleyb | i think it did merge as that looks like the new code | 16:40 |
| mlavalle | it merged | 16:40 |
| mlavalle | I remember we got stuck a little with naming a function | 16:41 |
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| slaweq | and what is in logs, is that this FIP was set to DOWN here: http://logs.openstack.org/97/602497/5/gate/neutron-tempest-plugin-scenario-linuxbridge/52c2890/controller/logs/screen-q-svc.txt.gz#_Oct_16_01_28_04_498279 | 16:41 |
| slaweq | and test failed around 2018-10-16 01:27:59,893 | 16:41 |
| slaweq | maybe node was overloaded and something took longer time simply? | 16:42 |
| haleyb | the test still checks the port the FIP is attached to, not the FIP itself, so maybe it was not the best fix? | 16:42 |
| haleyb | we wait 120 seconds | 16:42 |
| slaweq | haleyb: can I assign it to You as an action for next week? | 16:43 |
| slaweq | will You be able to take a look on it? | 16:43 |
| haleyb | slaweq: sure | 16:43 |
| slaweq | thx a lot | 16:43 |
| slaweq | #action haleyb to check issue with failing FIP transition to down state | 16:43 |
| slaweq | basically I didn't found other failures related to neutron in jobs which I was checking | 16:44 |
| slaweq | there are some issues with volumes and some issues with host mapping to cells in multinode jobs but that's not neutron issues | 16:45 |
| slaweq | I have one more short thing to mention about scenario jobs | 16:45 |
| slaweq | I have patch to make such jobs run faster: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/609762/ | 16:45 |
| slaweq | basically I proposed to remove config option "is_image_advanced" and use "advanced_image_ref" instead | 16:46 |
| slaweq | and use this advanced image only in tests which really needs it | 16:46 |
| slaweq | we have 3 such tests currently | 16:46 |
| slaweq | all other tests will use Cirros image | 16:46 |
| slaweq | comparing jobs' running time: | 16:47 |
| slaweq | neutron-tempest-plugin-dvr-multinode-scenario - 2h 11m 27s without my patch and 1h 22m 34s on my patch | 16:47 |
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| slaweq | neutron-tempest-plugin-scenario-linuxbridge - 1h 39m 48s without this patch and 1h 09m 23s with patch | 16:48 |
| slaweq | so difference is quite big IMO | 16:48 |
| mlavalle | yeah | 16:48 |
| slaweq | please review this patch if You will have some time :) | 16:48 |
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| mlavalle | will do | 16:48 |
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| haleyb | me too | 16:48 |
| slaweq | ok, that's all from my side for today | 16:49 |
| slaweq | #topic Open discussion | 16:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:49 | |
| slaweq | anyone wants to talk about something? | 16:49 |
| clarkb | according to e-r, http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/data/integrated_gate.html, there are some neutron fullstack failures too (the functional job at the top of the list should have a fix out there now) | 16:49 |
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| manjeets | slaweq sorry I was on other internal meeting as i discussed with I need to get into l3 and l2 agents code to point the notification issue | 16:50 |
| clarkb | more of an fyi than anything else since you were talking about neutron fails above | 16:51 |
| slaweq | clarkb: we already talked about issue like is e.g. in http://logs.openstack.org/04/599604/10/gate/neutron-fullstack/3c364de/logs/testr_results.html.gz | 16:51 |
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| slaweq | and it looks that it's the reason of 3 of 4 issues pointed there | 16:51 |
| slaweq | and those 2: http://logs.openstack.org/03/610003/2/gate/neutron-fullstack-python36/b7f131a/logs/testr_results.html.gz and http://logs.openstack.org/61/608361/2/gate/neutron-fullstack-python36/39f72ae/logs/testr_results.html.gz | 16:52 |
| slaweq | looks at first glance that it's again the same culprit | 16:52 |
| slaweq | test fails as it tried to kill agent and that was not finished with success | 16:53 |
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| slaweq | so as I said, I will open a bug report for that for now, and will try to debug it if I will have time for it | 16:53 |
| clarkb | ok, you might also want to add e-r queries for known issues if they will persist for longer than a few days | 16:54 |
| clarkb | helps others identify problems that have direct effect on our ability to merge code and hopefully motivates people to fix them too :) | 16:54 |
| slaweq | clarkb: ok, I will add it, thx | 16:54 |
| mlavalle | clarkb: thanks for bringing this up | 16:54 |
| mlavalle | this is the perfect forum for CI issues | 16:54 |
| mlavalle | and we meet every week at this time | 16:55 |
| mlavalle | you are always welcome | 16:55 |
| slaweq | #action slaweq to add e-r query for know fullstack issue (when bug will be reported) | 16:55 |
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| slaweq | anything else or can we finish few minutes before time? :) | 16:56 |
| mlavalle | not from me | 16:56 |
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| slaweq | thx for attending | 16:57 |
| slaweq | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:57 | |
| slaweq | o/ | 16:57 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 16 16:57:39 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2018/neutron_ci.2018-10-16-16.00.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2018/neutron_ci.2018-10-16-16.00.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2018/neutron_ci.2018-10-16-16.00.log.html | 16:57 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 16:57 |
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| clarkb | anyone else here for the infra meeting? | 18:59 |
| clarkb | I'll give it a few minutes for people to trickle in | 18:59 |
| gary_perkins | Hi o/ | 18:59 |
| corvus | i am! and have eaten my sandwich *before* the meeting today | 18:59 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 19:00 |
| fungi | here taking a break from housework | 19:00 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:00 |
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| clarkb | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 16 19:01:07 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
| clarkb | I cleaned up the meeting agenda based on what was discussed during last meeting and what we have going on this week. | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #topic Announcements | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| clarkb | I'm likely to be afk tomorrow enjoying some of the last "good" weather before winter invades. My brothers demand I go fishing with them | 19:02 |
| clarkb | fungi is also afk dealing with things like sea grass aiui | 19:02 |
| corvus | fungi: can you see a lot of sea grass from the sea shore? | 19:02 |
| fungi | most of the sea grass is back outside again where it belongs | 19:02 |
| clarkb | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/summit-schedule/#track=262 Berlin Forum schedule up for feedback | 19:02 |
| clarkb | As we get closer to the summit and forum the schedule is up and probably worth looking over for any hard to manage conflicts | 19:03 |
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| ssbarnea_ | i am gere | 19:03 |
| clarkb | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:04 | |
| clarkb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-10-09-19.00.txt minutes from last meeting | 19:04 |
| clarkb | we don't appear to have recorded any formal actions, but ssbarnea_ had some items to talk about. I wanted to follow up and ask if we need to talk about any more of those today? | 19:05 |
| clarkb | ssbarnea_: ^ or is there any other input you need to make some of those actionable? | 19:05 |
| fungi | worth discussing the suggestion of git-review prereleases if it's not been added to the agenda yet | 19:05 |
| ssbarnea_ | clarkb: nope, not for now. | 19:05 |
| fungi | or can bring it up during open discussion at the end | 19:06 |
| clarkb | fungi: and adding new cores. We should have time to go through that during the end of the meeting | 19:06 |
| fungi | awesome | 19:06 |
| clarkb | #topic Specs approval | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs approval (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:06 | |
| clarkb | I approved the third party ci direction spec last week and it merged | 19:06 |
| clarkb | we can now point to that when interested parties want to get involved running third party ci setups | 19:06 |
| clarkb | the other spec people should be aware of (but is still WIP) is the storyboard attachments spec | 19:07 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/607377/ Storyboard Attachments Spec. Would be good toget input on that from an operational perspective. Concerns like overal disk usage and not wanting to host spam etc | 19:07 |
| clarkb | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:08 | |
| clarkb | #topic Update Config Management | 19:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Update Config Management (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:09 | |
| clarkb | #info topic:puppet-4 and topic:update-cfg-mgmt to find changes to review | 19:09 |
| chandankumar | \o/ | 19:09 |
| clarkb | I've got all but one of the outstanding futureparser changes merged at this point. Thanks to cmurphy for continuing to push on that | 19:09 |
| clarkb | There are other outstanding puppet-4 related changes to make it possible to futureparser more things | 19:10 |
| clarkb | mordred: has started looking at deploying gerrit with containers and how a gerrit 2.14/2.15 might fit into that | 19:10 |
| clarkb | ianw: is looking at graphite deployment from containers too aiui | 19:10 |
| clarkb | For the continuous deployment work I think we are still waiting on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/604925/7 | 19:11 |
| clarkb | cmurphy: mordred ianw corvus any other related work you'd like to mention? | 19:11 |
| corvus | no, it's back-burner for me right now, but soon i'd like to catch up with ianw on container stuff | 19:13 |
| mordred | oh look. it's the infra meeting | 19:13 |
| * mordred sucks at clocks | 19:13 | |
| corvus | since i've spent a week dockering docker dockers i may be able to docker docker more docker than i could docker before dockering | 19:13 |
| clarkb | that is a lot of docker | 19:14 |
| cmurphy | clarkb: i had set that aside for a bit so now that more future parser changes are in i'll try to finish the list | 19:14 |
| corvus | on second thought, i may not be any help | 19:14 |
| mordred | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/610395/ <-- there is first stab at building a docker container of gerrit 2.15 | 19:14 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/610395/ Docker containers for gerrit 2.15 | 19:14 |
| cmurphy | clarkb: i updated https://review.openstack.org/#/c/576262/ but fungi had already +2'd the version before | 19:14 |
| ianw | i was looking at reusing mostly an upstream thing, it will be good to have it being looked at from a few different angles | 19:15 |
| clarkb | cmurphy: thanks I think between fungi ianw and myself we should be able to get htat one in shortly | 19:15 |
| clarkb | fungi: ianw can you help review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/576262/ since you've reviewed it before? | 19:15 |
| fungi | you bet | 19:15 |
| ianw | ok | 19:15 |
| cmurphy | also wondering about the state of ask.o.o because last i looked at it ask-staging was turned off so we didn't want to experiment on ask.o.o | 19:15 |
| clarkb | cmurphy: ya I think ianw had some stuff in motion around that, we should resync on that and make sure we are making progress (or at least not holding up other efforts) | 19:16 |
| clarkb | that might be good for after the meeting though? | 19:16 |
| mordred | it's worth noting that gerrit 2.14 does not build for me locally - so am looking in to the idea of using a pure upstream built war for the 2.13->2.14 - and then _immediately_ upgrade to 2.15 | 19:16 |
| ianw | yeah, let's sync. i had a memory of turning ask-staging into a xenial host | 19:16 |
| mordred | rather than spend time fighting the outdated 2.14 build to make an artifact we don't really care about long term | 19:17 |
| corvus | clarkb: what happened to the idea of getting the authorized keys from a url? (maybe with a new ansible module?) | 19:17 |
| cmurphy | and one other thing is that i think the refstack module is broken, i haven't looked into it too deeply but i think someone needs to help get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557539/ into shape so that we can have tests for it | 19:18 |
| clarkb | corvus: its done https://review.openstack.org/#/c/604932/ is child change to the other change because I figured we'd want more review on this one than the simpler first change | 19:18 |
| corvus | clarkb: thx | 19:18 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557539/ Needs to be brought into shape so that we can test refstack and get it future parsered | 19:19 |
| clarkb | To summarize there are a number of efforts in progress largely blocked on reviews. If you can find time to review those two topics that were #info'd above that would be much appreciated | 19:20 |
| clarkb | Anything else before we jump to the next item? | 19:21 |
| clarkb | #topic Storyboard | 19:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Storyboard (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:21 | |
| clarkb | As mentioned the WIP spec for story attachments could use our input. | 19:22 |
| clarkb | This is a feature often requested by users since paste.o.o has a paste size limit and logs.o.o rotate out logs relatively quickly | 19:22 |
| clarkb | fungi: diablo_rojo anything else in storyboard land we should be aware of? | 19:23 |
| diablo_rojo | clarkb, nothing right now | 19:23 |
| diablo_rojo | the WIP spec was all I had | 19:23 |
| diablo_rojo | and you already mentioned that :) | 19:23 |
| fungi | i'm out of touch wrt sb this week | 19:23 |
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| fungi | we just had another request (this time from prometheanfire) for constraining the project and project group story views to base theri activity decision only on tasks for the selected project(s) | 19:24 |
| fungi | that's probably a low-hanging-fruit thing for sb though i'm not sure whether anyone's opened a story for it yet | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, not that I know of | 19:25 |
| clarkb | prometheanfire: ^ you might consider opening a story for this item | 19:25 |
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| clarkb | #topic General Topics | 19:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General Topics (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:26 | |
| clarkb | #topic OpenDev | 19:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenDev (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:26 | |
| clarkb | I managed to find a time for us to meet with the foundation leadership/marketing staff and that time is 1800UTC Monday October 22 | 19:26 |
| clarkb | I know this is likely not ideal for everyone but when trying to schedule around foundation travel it was a reasonable option that popped up in the near future | 19:27 |
| clarkb | if you'd like to talk opendev messaging please join us in #openstack-infra at that time | 19:27 |
| clarkb | corvus: I was also going to ask about the dns bootstrapping. There are changes that need review for that? | 19:27 |
| corvus | clarkb: my most recent re-attempt failed and i haven't looked at why yet: https://review.openstack.org/605092 | 19:28 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/605092/ bootstrap opendev dns servers | 19:28 |
| corvus | that is closer to the top of my list, but not quite there yet; so if someone has a minute to find/fix that problem, is okay with me | 19:28 |
| clarkb | with the new etherpad servers I had considered calling them "etherpad-dev01.opendev.org" and similar but realized we need to update the system config site.pp to support that | 19:29 |
| clarkb | any thoughts on maybe updating the regexes in there across the board to make it easy going forward? | 19:29 |
| clarkb | we could do something like foo\.(opendev|openstack).org | 19:30 |
| mordred | clarkb: foo.open.*.org :) | 19:30 |
| clarkb | mordred: ya that might be simpler :) | 19:30 |
| corvus | clarkb: do you think we will run into $fqdn problems? | 19:30 |
| clarkb | corvus: I don't think so because most (maybe all at this point?) of our services require us to set the server name in apache due to the 01/02/03 etc hosts names | 19:31 |
| corvus | k, then i think that should be fine | 19:31 |
| clarkb | so we can call the server foo.opendev.org in nova then point foo.openstack.org dns at the service with apache config set to foo.openstack.org | 19:31 |
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| mordred | clarkb: do we want to make apache redirect .openstack.org to .opendev.org once we have both dns entries? or just let the vhost serve as either name? | 19:32 |
| clarkb | mordred: I think we'll end up tackling that on a case per case basis depending on the service? for etherpad I expect we'll redirect openstack.org to opendev.org | 19:33 |
| clarkb | git.openstack.org the opposite as that provides an identity to oepnstack and others | 19:34 |
| mordred | clarkb: nod. good point | 19:34 |
| clarkb | and we'll have to work through that over time. I do think as much as possible the hostnames should be opendev.org though then we can do the majority of dns management through the code reviewed dns system | 19:34 |
| mordred | clarkb: ++ | 19:34 |
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| corvus | i think we'll need to talk more about git.* | 19:35 |
| corvus | if we're going to focus on opendev as a brand/service/hosting platform, it may be counterproductive | 19:35 |
| mordred | agree (that we need to talk more about it - I don't have a strong opinion one way of the other) | 19:36 |
| clarkb | ya the details there are definitely worth working out and probably a good topic for the messaging meeting as the dns records take a part in the messaging | 19:36 |
| corvus | i'm comping from the pov that anything which confuses the 'canonical' repo name is bad -- this makes things confusing for zuul and other systems/folks that use golang format repo names | 19:36 |
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| clarkb | corvus: we may need to consider the things that k8s does too in that case (I don't think they are the only one that alias github) | 19:37 |
| mordred | corvus: yah. otoh - our fine friends at k8s store their source code in a neutral branded location (github) and use weird aliasing things to make their golang paths be based on k8s.io ... | 19:38 |
| mordred | clarkb: jinx | 19:38 |
| corvus | maybe we need to make zuul smarter about supporting per-project (rather than per-connection) canonical names | 19:38 |
| mordred | which is to say - there are a pile of use cases / requirements here that we should think carefully about | 19:38 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:38 |
| corvus | yep | 19:38 |
| clarkb | alright anyhting else on opendev before we go to the next item? | 19:39 |
| corvus | on the face of it, if we go forward with the status quo of git.opendev.org and git.openstack.org both existing without any other changes, i think we'll be in a bad spot. so we should do something. :) | 19:39 |
| clarkb | corvus: might also help to write down the concerns and constraints? maybe as a followup to my schedulign email for the messaging meeting? (not sure thats the best venue but it is time set aside to talk about related stuff) | 19:40 |
| fungi | i just assumed we're going to need to do a lot of project renames into another namespace to "move" repos from git.openstack.org to git.opendev.org | 19:40 |
| fungi | perhaps map namespaces to domains 1:1 | 19:41 |
| fungi | but this discussion can come later | 19:41 |
| clarkb | #topic Upgrade sprint | 19:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Upgrade sprint (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:41 | |
| clarkb | Lets keep the meeting moving. About a month ago I scribbled this week in as an upgrade sprint week. I've been focused on getting etherpad servers updated. The dev server is now running on xenial and I expect to get the prod server to xenial this afternoon | 19:42 |
| clarkb | this week worked out as it is between conferences and not in a bad spot for the release cycle | 19:42 |
| clarkb | I expect I'll look at logstash.o.o on thursday | 19:43 |
| clarkb | If others can grab a service/server or two and work on figuring out what platform upgrades look like that would be helpful to | 19:43 |
| clarkb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/201808-infra-server-upgrades-and-cleanup server upgrade todo list | 19:43 |
| mordred | you know - I'll take storyboard - that one seems potentially fun | 19:44 |
| clarkb | mordred: thanks. | 19:44 |
| clarkb | and do ping me if you need help with reviews or puppet or ansible. I actually started the week fixing ansible so that puppet would run :) | 19:45 |
| * mordred warns diablo_rojo that he's likely about to start screwing stuff up for everybody | 19:45 | |
| clarkb | #topic Zuul Queue Backlogs | 19:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Zuul Queue Backlogs (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:45 | |
| mordred | clarkb: oh - I have a (potentially) related question that's also potentially related to the opendev topic ... | 19:45 |
| mordred | (sorry, on the previous topic) | 19:46 |
| clarkb | #undo | 19:46 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic Zuul Queue Backlogs | 19:46 |
| clarkb | mordred: go for it | 19:46 |
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| mordred | clarkb: a few weeks ago I grabbed opendevorg dockerhub namespace so we could publish images we build for our services | 19:46 |
| mordred | I put the creds into the password file - but haven't added a secret for it yet ... | 19:46 |
| mordred | are we good with that as a location? | 19:46 |
| mordred | (opendev is taken) | 19:46 |
| clarkb | works for me | 19:47 |
| mordred | kk. cool. just realized we hadn't actually talked about it :) | 19:47 |
| corvus | mordred: is opendev used? | 19:47 |
| corvus | or just squatted? | 19:47 |
| mordred | corvus: just squatted | 19:47 |
| prometheanfire | https://opendev.com is taken | 19:47 |
| prometheanfire | ya | 19:47 |
| corvus | mordred: maybe we can also ask dockerhub about a transfer? probably best after we've actually pushed an image up :) | 19:48 |
| corvus | then we can demonstrate an actual intent to use it | 19:48 |
| clarkb | corvus: ya we don't want to be squatters asking for other squatter namespaces :) | 19:48 |
| mordred | corvus: totes - it's def worth asking | 19:48 |
| clarkb | #topic Zuul Queue Backlogs | 19:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Zuul Queue Backlogs (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:48 | |
| clarkb | really quickly. Wanted to point out that we continue to be aware of this and are working on various related things to try and make it better | 19:49 |
| clarkb | ianw has been looking at the port leaks in ovh with slaweg and dpawlik | 19:49 |
| clarkb | ovh is aware of the problems there and is apparntly working to correct it | 19:49 |
| ianw | ok, i've had to disable gra1 because it doesn't seem to boot servers | 19:50 |
| corvus | clarkb: the node-accounting-in-logs change has merged; needs a scheduler restart. that would let us more accurately get a gauge for what projects/jobs are using the system the most. | 19:50 |
| clarkb | we merged a zuul gate window floor value change to 10 to see if that helps, initial data is that it doesn't but I figured it was worht a shot | 19:50 |
| clarkb | I continue to push projects to fix the bugs in their tests and update e-r as necessary to better track longer term issues | 19:50 |
| clarkb | Overall I think we are headed in the right direction it is just a slow turning ship | 19:51 |
| clarkb | corvus: thanks, I'll keep that in mind (restart in particular) | 19:51 |
| clarkb | at this point a lot of the flakyness is outside of our control I think. Looking at e-r data jobs are failing for non infra valid reasons | 19:51 |
| clarkb | so other than adding capacity to reduce the impact of ^ we are largely counting on projects to identify and fix their test bugs | 19:52 |
| clarkb | #topic git-review | 19:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "git-review (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:52 | |
| corvus | clarkb: the gate floor reduction not helping the check backlog seems to suggest supply/demand is important | 19:53 |
| clarkb | corvus: yup | 19:53 |
| clarkb | fungi: ssbarnea_ quickly before we run out of time. There are two git-review items. First is psuhing prerelease git review tags so people can opt in to testing changes to git-review before the rest of the world sees them | 19:53 |
| fungi | this seems like a no-brainer | 19:53 |
| fungi | i can push one today and will happily push another any time someone asks | 19:54 |
| clarkb | the other is adding core reviewers. stephenfin and ssbarnea_ have offered to be new core reviewers on git-review. I'd like to add them in with an agreement that "stabilizing" git review is the goal. Update tests, fix known bugs, etc | 19:54 |
| fungi | might make it slightly easier for people who aren't comfortable cloning the repo and doing a pip install . | 19:54 |
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| clarkb | then if we end up in a place where git-review is stable wtih reliable testing reconsider adding features | 19:54 |
| clarkb | is there any objection to adding them if we agree to that? (I think that should be global git-review dev agrement not just for the new core reviewrs) | 19:55 |
| ssbarnea_ | fungi: yeah, installing with "pip install --pre git-review" is more friendly IMHO | 19:55 |
| clarkb | and ya I htink pushing pre release git reviews is a great idea | 19:55 |
| fungi | adding a couple more git-review-core reviewers sounds like a fine plan to me, curious what others think | 19:55 |
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| ianw | ++ to new reviewers | 19:57 |
| clarkb | we are almost out of time. But please let me knwo if you have concerns about adding new core reviewrs to git review in this way | 19:57 |
| clarkb | #topic Open Discussion | 19:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:57 | |
| clarkb | and now ~2 minutes for anything else | 19:57 |
| corvus | i'm happy with new reviewers if we're all on board with it being a really stable tool that doesn't change much and not a new feature magnet | 19:58 |
| corvus | and to be really clear about that, i think any change which requires us to alter our contributor docs should have a nearly impossible hill to climb for acceptance. | 19:59 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:59 |
| fungi | absolutely | 19:59 |
| fungi | unless the alteration is "remove some unnecessary things we've automated" maybe | 19:59 |
| corvus | but new features like supporting the wip plugin, etc, would be great | 20:00 |
| clarkb | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 16 20:00:30 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-10-16-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-10-16-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-10-16-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
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| clarkb | our hour is up. Find is in #openstack-infra for more discussion or on the openstack-infra@lists.openstack.org mailing list | 20:00 |
| clarkb | thank you everyone | 20:00 |
| fungi | thanks clarkb!!! | 20:00 |
| gary_perkins | cheers clarkb :) | 20:01 |
| ssbarnea_ | thanks! time to close the lid for me ;) | 20:01 |
| clarkb | gary_perkins: hopefully ianw's response to the email about credentials gives you what you were looking for? | 20:01 |
| clarkb | gary_perkins: feel free to followup as needed if not | 20:01 |
| gary_perkins | clarkb: yep, it's fine. thnaks :) | 20:02 |
| gary_perkins | thanks even! | 20:02 |
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| ianw | gary_perkins: cool, i'll have a look at that now | 20:04 |
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| martial__ | Hello team | 20:59 |
| oneswig | G'day martial__ | 21:00 |
| oneswig | Would you like to drive today? :-) | 21:00 |
| martial__ | #startmeeting Scientific-SIG | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 16 21:00:32 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is martial__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Scientific-SIG)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 21:00 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 21:00 |
| oneswig | hello! | 21:00 |
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| oneswig | #link agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_October_16th_2018 | 21:01 |
| oneswig | It's somewhat short today | 21:01 |
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| martial__ | (shoot too late was looking for that :) ) | 21:02 |
| oneswig | martial__: are you travelling today? | 21:02 |
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| b1air | o/ | 21:02 |
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| janders | g'day - sorry for being late | 21:02 |
| martial__ | #topic Topics for the agenda for Berlin | 21:03 |
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| trandles | I'm here, sorta | 21:03 |
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| oneswig | hey b1air janders trandles | 21:03 |
| b1air | I was an hour early :-( | 21:03 |
| martial__ | stig: nope am talking to a colleague at NIST who is looking at deploying an OpenStack for Public Safety type work | 21:03 |
| martial__ | am trying to get him to meet people and come to Berlin :) | 21:03 |
| oneswig | b1air: always the keener | 21:04 |
| martial__ | Will introduce him after, maybe he can setup a couple meetings with people to see how to best do his work :) | 21:04 |
| b1air | Not sure which timezone I'm in, but it's not the same as my calendars | 21:04 |
| oneswig | martial__: be very happy to meet them | 21:04 |
| oneswig | b1air: you're in Sydney? | 21:04 |
| b1air | Melbourne | 21:04 |
| oneswig | nice! | 21:05 |
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| oneswig | So - we should get on track I guess. | 21:05 |
| janders | yeah daylight savings made the evening session tricker, but the morning session is so much easier now :) | 21:05 |
| martial__ | (see guest speaker and all that :) ) | 21:05 |
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| oneswig | We have SIG sessions in the schedule now | 21:06 |
| martial__ | So team, the dates have been set | 21:06 |
| martial__ | Stig, you go :) | 21:06 |
| oneswig | They are not consecutive, but at least on the same day (and in the right order) | 21:06 |
| oneswig | Very happy to see it, in the back of my mind I had a nagging feeling I needed to jump through one more hoop to get the paperwork in order :-) | 21:07 |
| martial__ | have you thought of your co-hosts? :) | 21:08 |
| oneswig | martial__: fancy a video link? :-) | 21:08 |
| oneswig | I hadn't thought of co-hosts tbh | 21:08 |
| martial__ | if it is not at the same time as the SC18 panels/BoF or similar, I am happy to participate if I can | 21:09 |
| oneswig | Dallas - I think it may be 5am... | 21:09 |
| martial__ | For you, sure | 21:09 |
| martial__ | Which reminds me, the dates in questions are | 21:09 |
| martial__ | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Cdz6bL1D/ | 21:10 |
| martial__ | SIG Meeting Wed 14, 11:00am - 11:40am | 21:10 |
| martial__ | SIG BoF Wed 14, 1:40pm - 2:20pm | 21:10 |
| martial__ | SIG Social Wednesday evening, TBD | 21:10 |
| martial__ | (that was interesting) | 21:10 |
| trandles | those times are all CET? | 21:10 |
| oneswig | As in, Central European Time, I am not sure what they do for DST in Germany | 21:11 |
| janders | I just looked it up, in November it should be CET | 21:12 |
| janders | summer would be CEST | 21:12 |
| trandles | US switches to standard time night of November 3-4 | 21:12 |
| oneswig | Our summer is not so long and neither is our summer time :-) | 21:12 |
| trandles | so Berlin should be 7 hours ahead of Dallas | 21:12 |
| trandles | I guess we'll see just how dedicated martial__ is ;) | 21:13 |
| oneswig | hmmm. I know martial__ is a night owl but that's maybe too far! | 21:13 |
| martial__ | 5am ... no prob-zzzzzzzz | 21:14 |
| janders | Berlin (Germany - Berlin) Wednesday, 14 November 2018 at 11:00:00 am CET UTC+1 hour Dallas (USA - Texas) Wednesday, 14 November 2018 at 4:00:00 am CST UTC-6 hours Corresponding UTC (GMT) Wednesday, 14 November 2018 at 10:00:00 | 21:14 |
| oneswig | b1air: martial__: I shall expect a video message as minimum (recorded in some Dallas bar, perhaps) | 21:14 |
| b1air | Just need to find a bar that stays open 24 hours ;-) | 21:14 |
| martial__ | I can set up the GoToMeeting link even ;) | 21:14 |
| martial__ | actually why not ... | 21:14 |
| janders | Berlin (Germany - Berlin) Wednesday, 14 November 2018 at 2:00:00 pm CET UTC+1 hour Dallas (USA - Texas) Wednesday, 14 November 2018 at 7:00:00 am CST UTC-6 hours Corresponding UTC (GMT) Wednesday, 14 November 2018 at 13:00:00 | 21:14 |
| janders | at least BoF falls within more civilised hours | 21:15 |
| martial__ | Sitg, let's talk after the end of the meeting | 21:15 |
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| martial__ | Btw, Jim said he can speak about his cloud approach to Public Safety, so we have a guest speaker :) | 21:15 |
| oneswig | sounds good. The final matter on the SIG events is that Nick from our team has offered/been conscripted to get us a beer social on Wednesday evening. | 21:16 |
| oneswig | It is Germany, after all :-) | 21:16 |
| oneswig | martial__: That Jim Golden? | 21:16 |
| martial__ | but you got there in "November" | 21:16 |
| martial__ | another Jim | 21:16 |
| martial__ | the first Jim will be in Germany btw | 21:17 |
| oneswig | Good to have him, all the same | 21:17 |
| janders | oneswig: subtle hint: how about a venue with craft beer + open fire roasted meat? :) | 21:17 |
| janders | always a highlight at ISCs | 21:17 |
| janders | unfortunately I don't know Berlin at all | 21:17 |
| oneswig | janders: seems like you've done this before :-) | 21:17 |
| martial__ | surprised Jim (Lowe) did not jump on this one ;) | 21:18 |
| janders | yeah but only in Frankfurt and Leipzig | 21:18 |
| trandles | Mike Lowe? | 21:18 |
| trandles | sounds like janders is volunteering to organize the outing, good man | 21:18 |
| martial__ | yes Mike (is it already that late? :) ) | 21:18 |
| martial__ | yeah janders!!!! | 21:19 |
| janders | trandles: I don't know Berlin well enough (or at all) so just hinting the idea :) | 21:19 |
| janders | can ask around though | 21:19 |
| oneswig | Berlin attendees, I'll be receptive to any google-based suggestions of local places on the theme of das-beer-and-roasted-meat-haus | 21:19 |
| oneswig | (although at pains to point out that other dietary requirements must also be met) | 21:20 |
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| trandles | janders: I'll be in Dallas unfortunately :( Definitely be at the Denver Summit in the spring though... | 21:20 |
| martial__ | asked my German friend Lukas for recommendations :) | 21:20 |
| janders | martial_: good man! :) | 21:20 |
| oneswig | martial__: couldn't ask for more than that. Provided Lukas is not a monk. | 21:21 |
| oneswig | BTW how are your panel questions coming on for SC? | 21:21 |
| martial__ | nope | 21:21 |
| martial__ | I worked on the "panel" questions, not the "BoF" ones yet | 21:21 |
| martial__ | need to get this started | 21:22 |
| martial__ | will start a Google Doc or Etherpad and share it here | 21:22 |
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| oneswig | This came up among our team this week and may be interesting for your crowd: https://kubernetes.io/blog/2017/08/kubernetes-meets-high-performance/ | 21:22 |
| martial__ | Lukas via chat recommend looking at https://awesomeberlin.net/attractions/biergarten-berlin-best-beer-garden | 21:23 |
| martial__ | Jim is next to me btw, so when we get to AOB, I will give him my keyboard | 21:24 |
| oneswig | I get the impression Docker's runtime is getting squeezed out of the Kubernetes ecosystem - lots of energy going into projects like podman and cri-o | 21:24 |
| janders | oneswig: VERY interesting link | 21:25 |
| janders | thanks for sharing | 21:25 |
| oneswig | Might be a good opener for Christian :-) | 21:25 |
| martial__ | (ouch) | 21:25 |
| janders | on the SIG sessions front - I did have a quick chat to Bright last week | 21:25 |
| janders | as it stands, they don't seem to be targetting running on top of a bare-metal OpenStack, they (still) insist on running their own OpenStack (and I don't think they are far with baremetal on that) | 21:26 |
| janders | I wonder if you guys see value in trying to get some HPC cluster management solution vendors to join us, so that they get a better understanding of what we're doing? | 21:26 |
| janders | I can ping Bright again asking if they have anyone at the Summit - we could also maybe try with others? | 21:27 |
| oneswig | janders: that is always good. | 21:27 |
| janders | we have (or have access to) four systems - two are bright, one is SGI stack and one is a Cray | 21:28 |
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| janders | so Cray would be my second thought | 21:28 |
| oneswig | The Cray's probably half Bright anyway? | 21:28 |
| janders | it's hard to keep up with them | 21:28 |
| janders | two years ago they were going all-OpenStack, now they backed out | 21:28 |
| oneswig | Much of the management infra is deployed with that. | 21:28 |
| trandles | AFAIK is Cray even doing any OpenStack any more? | 21:29 |
| janders | they are making crazy changes to their interconnects (details - NDA but you likely heard) | 21:29 |
| janders | trandles: last time I heard they admitted failure and dropped the ball | 21:29 |
| trandles | janders: +1 | 21:29 |
| janders | I hope maybe if they listen to us talking they'll realise what they're missing out on | 21:30 |
| oneswig | trandles: no | 21:30 |
| janders | and we'll be fine without them, but it would be good to have more options for running HPC on OpenStack | 21:30 |
| janders | ok.. I will ping Bright | 21:31 |
| janders | do you guys know anyone at Cray that could be interested? | 21:31 |
| janders | I only talk to salesy people on their end unfortunately | 21:31 |
| bollig | I know a couple guys across the river that used to work on OS at Cray. I’ll ask | 21:31 |
| oneswig | janders: I know some people in Europe but I don't think they will be in Berlin - I can ask | 21:31 |
| janders | cool! | 21:32 |
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| janders | I dropped Martijn a quick note, let | 21:34 |
| janders | 's see if anyone from Bright is heading to Berlin | 21:34 |
| janders | how about SchedMD? Do you know if they'll have any presence in Berlin? | 21:34 |
| trandles | janders: highly doubtful since SC is the same week | 21:35 |
| janders | very fair point | 21:35 |
| oneswig | I've pinged my contacts in Cray but suspect it'll be a similar story | 21:35 |
| trandles | does IBM have any openstack things going on? You might use that as a way to get in touch with LSF folks. | 21:36 |
| trandles | although since IBM != x86 any more, I doubt it | 21:36 |
| janders | all I know is that their GPFS integration is struggling to keep up with the new OpenStack releases | 21:36 |
| janders | which isn't a good sign | 21:36 |
| trandles | that basically leaves Adaptive (torque/moab) and Altair (PBS) | 21:37 |
| trandles | I wouldn't be surprised if Altair doesn't have something going on. | 21:37 |
| janders | RHATs are doing some interesting work with Power and Ironic here in Canberra, but that's completely non-HPC | 21:37 |
| trandles | s/wouldn't/would/ | 21:37 |
| martial__ | seems we are slowing down on this topic | 21:40 |
| martial__ | should I get Jim Horan to introduce himself? | 21:40 |
| oneswig | go for it | 21:40 |
| janders | please | 21:40 |
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| martial__ | Hi my name is Jim Horan. I am working at NIST in Gaithersburg, MD in the area of public safety analytics. We are currently working with NIST Public Safety Communications Research Lab in our Bolder facility to further the use of analytics by public safety stakeholders and first responders. One of the areas we have been investigating is having HPC capability at the edge for use by public safety operators. We are | 21:44 |
| martial__ | also looking at cloud-based analytics and hybrid cloud capabilities to optimize the distribution of high and low computational intensity analytics. | 21:44 |
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| martial__ | We are funding several research grants to develop analytics as well as internal projects to support reference frameworks to test and evaluate analytic performance. | 21:45 |
| martial__ | We are currently developing a stack to support this reference capability and Openstack has been an area of interest to support our research. | 21:46 |
| oneswig | Sounds good. There was a keynote by AT&T (IIRC) on a similar theme at the last summit. Did you see that? | 21:47 |
| martial__ | No, but if I can track it down, I'll check it out.. Thanks! | 21:47 |
| oneswig | It was a movie clip, started with a car going off a bridge | 21:48 |
| oneswig | It will be very interesting to hear about the use case - edge computing work is a hot subject these days! | 21:50 |
| martial__ | Ah.. I think somebody did tell me about that movie clip. Our PS folks have been working to refine requirements of use cases (such as car or person off a bridge) and put them against state of the art development of analytics to see what can be done in the near term.. and what capabilities are required to support them. | 21:50 |
| janders | few years back, we built a POC where we had a small HPC OpenStack in Singapore which would also manage resources around the world | 21:51 |
| martial__ | we have been keeping a close eye on the progress in edge computing.. since with the onset of 5G the edge can go from being a group or cluster of functionality to a fabric | 21:51 |
| janders | controllers + few computes in Singapore (along with central storage ) and then more computes in Australia, Europe, US | 21:52 |
| janders | worked reasonably well, was quite interesting. not sure if this is directly relevant to your use case but thought I will mention in case it is | 21:53 |
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| martial__ | how did the POC hold up in terms of robustness with all the variables of comms/network etc? | 21:53 |
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| oneswig | Jim would you be able to talk on this some more with the SIG in Berlin? | 21:53 |
| martial__ | Martial has been trying to get me to talk about it. I am checking to see if I can make it out.. but I would be glad to talk more about it. | 21:54 |
| janders | it was quite solid. wan setup was different for different sites and those without QoSed circuits would sometimes cause trouble. Those with solid QoS were pretty good. | 21:54 |
| oneswig | janders: sounds like an idea ahead of its time | 21:55 |
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| martial__ | did you do any network active adaptation based on the QoS changing? I think this will become super important as the edge clusters start to load balance etc | 21:55 |
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| janders | martial_: nope | 21:56 |
| janders | we would have different host aggregates mapping to AZs and depending on the requirements the user could spin up resources within a specific site, or scattered around the World | 21:56 |
| janders | but there wasn't any other form of load balancing or placement optimisation | 21:57 |
| martial__ | sometimes not the luxury of having spare capacity/circuits.. that sounds like an interesting system | 21:57 |
| martial__ | (and we are reaching the end time wise :) ) | 21:59 |
| martial__ | (taking back my keyboard) | 21:59 |
| martial__ | so I am trying to get Jim to come to the Berlin Summit :) | 21:59 |
| janders | +1! :) | 21:59 |
| oneswig | martial__: be good to see him! | 22:00 |
| martial__ | will try to get him to come for sure :) | 22:01 |
| oneswig | OK we should wrap up for today | 22:01 |
| martial__ | and on that, thanks all for attending our Scientific SIG meeting | 22:01 |
| janders | thanks all! have a good day / good night :) | 22:02 |
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| oneswig | Cheerio | 22:02 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 16 22:02:16 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-10-16-21.00.html | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-10-16-21.00.txt | 22:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-10-16-21.00.log.html | 22:02 |
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