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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 02:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Aug 3 02:31:33 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:31 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 02:31 |
| ekcs | hello all. topics list kept here as usual. feel free to add your topics. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 02:31 |
| akhil_jain | ekcs: hi! | 02:32 |
| ekcs | hi akhil_jain ! how’s it been? | 02:32 |
| akhil_jain | everything good. what about you? | 02:34 |
| ekcs | not too bad! | 02:34 |
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| ekcs | ok let’s get started then. | 02:35 |
| ekcs | #topic RC1 | 02:35 |
| ekcs | reminder again that RC1 is due next week. ideally it’s what we expect to be final release. | 02:36 |
| ekcs | i’m focusing on testing and bug fixing. | 02:37 |
| ekcs | docs may need some attention too. | 02:37 |
| ekcs | any comments on RC1? | 02:38 |
| akhil_jain | not from my side | 02:39 |
| ekcs | cool! | 02:40 |
| ekcs | #topic patches | 02:41 |
| ekcs | any patches we discuss or bring attention to? | 02:41 |
| ekcs | here’s a few I wanted to bring attention to | 02:42 |
| ekcs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/587668/ | 02:42 |
| ekcs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/588418/ | 02:42 |
| ekcs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/587682/ | 02:42 |
| ekcs | I see that akhil_jain you already reviewed a couple of them. | 02:43 |
| akhil_jain | yes looking into third. i think i encountered with third. there was some traceback from netron in logs | 02:45 |
| akhil_jain | i will try with your patch | 02:45 |
| ekcs | great thanks! | 02:46 |
| ekcs | anything else we want to talk about today? | 02:47 |
| akhil_jain | nothing from my side | 02:47 |
| ekcs | alright then! keep free to ping me if there’s anything to discuss. | 02:48 |
| ekcs | let’s wrap up then. | 02:49 |
| ekcs | happy friday and have a great weekend! | 02:50 |
| akhil_jain | Bye, same to you | 02:50 |
| ekcs | = ) | 02:51 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 02:51 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Aug 3 02:51:44 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-08-03-02.31.html | 02:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-08-03-02.31.txt | 02:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-08-03-02.31.log.html | 02:51 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Aug 3 13:59:48 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 13:59 |
| manjeets_ | hi | 13:59 |
| longkb | o/ | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | I think I jumped the gun by a few seconds | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | oh well | 14:00 |
| yushiro4 | Hi | 14:01 |
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| SridarK | Hi All | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | hi longkb, yushiro, SridarK. Welcome! | 14:01 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: i am in another simultaneous meeting, but will keep one eye open here | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: ack | 14:01 |
| yushiro | mlavalle, Hi :) | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | let's wait a couple of minutes to see if amotoki or yamamoto join the meeting | 14:02 |
| longkb | Thanks mlavalle | 14:02 |
| yushiro | haleyb, Hi, long time no see since Denver :) | 14:03 |
| haleyb | yushiro: yes, and i will be there in September, hope to see you there | 14:03 |
| yushiro | haleyb, me tooooooo :p I'm glad to hear that. | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's get going | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | #topic Rocky rc1 | 14:04 |
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| mlavalle | So we have landed all the code in Neutron that we targeted for the rc1 | 14:06 |
| manjeets_ | except https://review.openstack.org/#/c/588079/ | 14:07 |
| slaweq | hi | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | as a consequence, we are almost ready to cut rc1. however, we are still waiting to see what happens with the patches for the logging feature in FWaaS | 14:07 |
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| mlavalle | That is why I invited today longkb, yushiro and SridarK, so we can assess where we stand | 14:08 |
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| yushiro | mlavalle, OK. Thanks for inviting us. | 14:08 |
| njohnston | welcome FWaaS friends! | 14:08 |
| longkb | Thanks a lot! mlavalle :) | 14:08 |
| yushiro | njohnston, Yeeees :) | 14:08 |
| mlavalle | so where do we stand? do you have a pointer to the patches in question? | 14:09 |
| yushiro | mlavalle, We're reviewing following 8 patches in fwaas for logging. | 14:09 |
| yushiro | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-fwaas+branch:master+topic:bug/1720727 | 14:09 |
| yushiro | These patches depended on neutron patches and need to wait until these are merged. So, now these patches pass zuul checking and restart reviewing. | 14:10 |
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| mlavalle | are they passing zuul tests consistently? | 14:11 |
| SridarK | sorry irc issues | 14:11 |
| yushiro | mlavalle, yes, currently they passed. (Now some patches are waiting zuul reply) | 14:12 |
| longkb | It seems 3 of them have already passed zuul consistently | 14:12 |
| yushiro | mlavalle, Therefore, would it be possoble to wait for keep on reviewing for fwaas patches ?? | 14:13 |
| longkb | RPC and validator patches are waiting for zuul testing :) | 14:13 |
| mlavalle | Look, I already granted the FFE to this and I am not going to widthdraw it while you are fighting hard to land the feature | 14:13 |
| SridarK | mlavalle: thx | 14:14 |
| longkb | That sounds greate! mlavalle | 14:14 |
| mlavalle | we have until next week to cut rc1. So no need to cut this effort prematurely | 14:15 |
| yushiro | mlavalle, Thank you so much. | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | Having said that, I want to remind everybody that we all have the duty with the community to deliver solid software | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | it is starting to look tight to me | 14:16 |
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| SridarK | mlavalle: what would be a drop dead deadline - so there is some buffer so we are comfortable with more testing | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | so let's continue the effort but I urge all the team members to keep a balanced assesment on whether we should deliver this or not | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | Let's give ourselves until Wednesday of next week to decide whether we go forward with this or we pull the plug | 14:18 |
| SridarK | mlavalle: thats very reasonable thx | 14:19 |
| yushiro | Next Wednesday, I see. Thanks mlavalle. | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | That means Wednesday end of day USA time | 14:19 |
| longkb | Thanks mlavalle :) | 14:19 |
| yushiro | mlavalle, OK, i'll check JST time :) | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | which translates to early morning in East Asia | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | Thursday morning | 14:20 |
| yushiro | mlavalle, Aha. Thanks. | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | how about we all meet again on Thursday at 0200UTC? | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | SridarK: that is going to be 2100 my time and 1900 your time on Wednesday | 14:22 |
| SridarK | mlavalle: perfect thx | 14:22 |
| SridarK | that is east Asia friendly as well | 14:22 |
| mlavalle | yushiro, longkb: what time is that in Japan and Vietnam? | 14:23 |
| yushiro | mlavalle, Yes, I definitely join. It's 11:00 JST and 09:00 VST. | 14:23 |
| longkb | +1 yushiro :D It's reasonable for us | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | so yeah, perfectly friendly for our East Asia friends | 14:23 |
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| mlavalle | we will meet in the #opentask-fwaas channel. does that work? | 14:24 |
| njohnston | +1 for #openstack-fwaas | 14:24 |
| yushiro | mlavalle, It's very very helpful and friendly for us. OK, no problem to meet at #openstack-fwaas | 14:24 |
| SridarK | +1 | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | ok, I'll be keeping an eye on those patches over the next few days | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | good luck! I'll keep my fingers crossed in one hand.... | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | and the az in the other one ;-) | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | ax^^^ | 14:25 |
| SridarK | mlavalle: i had one more issue to bring up after we are done on this | 14:25 |
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| mlavalle | SridarK: go ahead please | 14:26 |
| SridarK | We had a bug for which we are trying to get a fix in | 14:26 |
| SridarK | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1762454 | 14:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1762454 in neutron "FWaaS: Invalid port error on associating ports (distributed router) to firewall group" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Yushiro FURUKAWA (y-furukawa-2) | 14:26 |
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| SridarK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/580552/ | 14:27 |
| yushiro | Yes, thank you SridarK. | 14:27 |
| SridarK | yushiro: has a review out | 14:27 |
| SridarK | mlavalle: just want to keep that on ur radar | 14:28 |
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| mlavalle | SridarK: ok, I'll keep an eye on it | 14:28 |
| SridarK | the fix as such is quite simple on validation, the concern is on datapath behavior on HA with switchover | 14:28 |
| SridarK | have asked haleyb for comments on the patch as well | 14:29 |
| SridarK | so hopefully quite straightfwd once we get clarifications and also on testing yushiro is doing | 14:29 |
| SridarK | thats all from me | 14:29 |
| mlavalle | yeah, I see haleyb is involved. I'll take a look and see if I can help | 14:30 |
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| SridarK | mlavalle: perfect thx much | 14:30 |
| yushiro | Now, I'm testing this patch and associating firewall with HA router port. We'd like to verify correct behavior when the router switchovered regarding conntrack. | 14:30 |
| yushiro | s/firewall/firewall group | 14:30 |
| mlavalle | ack | 14:30 |
| SridarK | mlavalle: if u look at my last review comment | 14:31 |
| yushiro | mlavalle, haleyb i'll paste on gerrit for etherpad link for the result of testing. | 14:31 |
| SridarK | yushiro: +1 | 14:31 |
| mlavalle | SridarK: yes, that makes sense | 14:31 |
| mlavalle | yushiro: yes, that will be helpful | 14:31 |
| yushiro | :) | 14:32 |
| mlavalle | yushiro, longkb, SridarK: thanks for your hard work. Your efforts are much appreciated :-) | 14:32 |
| SridarK | mlavalle: no worries - mainly yushiro longkb & annp on the logging feature - great work | 14:33 |
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| mlavalle | Thanks for the update | 14:33 |
| yushiro | mlavalle, SridarK Me too. Thanks for managing our community and helping :) | 14:33 |
| SridarK | yushiro: +1 cant say more for mlavalle | 14:34 |
| annp | SridarK, mlavalle: Thank you, too :) | 14:34 |
| yushiro | +Inf for neutron :) | 14:34 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: I don't think we have qurum for the RFEs portion of this meeting. so you can focus on your other meeting ;-) | 14:34 |
| mlavalle | THanks guys | 14:35 |
| * njohnston is just glad we all managed to get authenticated and past the spambot blockers | 14:35 | |
| haleyb | mlavalle: it just ended | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: LOL | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | guys, let's tal on Wednesday | 14:35 |
| yushiro | ok | 14:36 |
| mlavalle | haleyb, njohnston, manjeets: although you are welcome, no need for you to aattend the Wednesday meeting. I can handle that | 14:36 |
| mlavalle | not very convenient time for US based folks | 14:36 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 14:36 |
| manjeets__ | I'll try Im scheduled to be on a flight, I'll double check | 14:36 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Aug 3 14:36:44 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-08-03-13.59.html | 14:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-08-03-13.59.txt | 14:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-08-03-13.59.log.html | 14:36 |
| SridarK | bye all | 14:36 |
| manjeets__ | thank you | 14:36 |
| annp | thanks all, bye | 14:37 |
| longkb | thank you all :) | 14:37 |
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| yushiro | Thanks! | 14:38 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Aug 3 15:00:39 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 15:00 |
| * fungi was just about to ask | 15:00 | |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | Word on the street is ping lists look like spam and you get kicked, so I'm not going to do that. | 15:01 |
| fungi | smart man | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | oh, that's new | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-relmgt-tracking Agenda, currently line 427 | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | Looks like all the usual suspects are here, so that's good. | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | #topic Release status update | 15:02 |
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| fungi | during freenode spam floods their spam detecting bot we invite into a lot of official channels gets cranky when it sees someone mention lots of other nicks from the same channel | 15:02 |
| ttx | I did dump a bit there | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Did you just run that missing client release list today? | 15:02 |
| ttx | yes this morning | 15:03 |
| ttx | So Libraries are all set | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | Great, then that should be up to date. | 15:03 |
| ttx | Client libraries, a bunch are missing, the others are waiting for a stable branch | 15:03 |
| ttx | I suspect we have a decision to take there | 15:03 |
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| smcginnis | I have a process.rst change queued to tweak how we approach those stable branches based on experiences this week and a quick conversation with dhellmann. | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | So look for that and see if it makes sense to you. | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Are you looking at outstanding commits on those? | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : yeah | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | let me see if I can pull that into a single report | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | "rewrite of the client" sounds kind of significant. | 15:05 |
| ttx | should we trigger releases for those ? | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | I think so. | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | We can send out a reminder that that is our policy. | 15:05 |
| ttx | and do it Monday | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | yeah, they rewrote that whole client to use cliff | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | Or send out a notification that said policy has been enforced and do it now. | 15:06 |
| ttx | Fridays are bad | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, that's my thinking too. | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | changes: http://paste.openstack.org/show/727235/ | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Thanks | 15:06 |
| ttx | But I'll be off and oblivious of IRC so your call :) | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | :) | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | I'll send something to the ML after the meeting listing these and explaining the plan. Then Monday we can enforce it. | 15:07 |
| armstrong | @ttx: why are Fridays bad? | 15:07 |
| ttx | Skipping the Client libraries missing stable branch since you seem to have it under control | 15:07 |
| ttx | armstrong: potentially gets in the way of enjoying your week end | 15:08 |
| ttx | Services missing milestone 3... | 15:08 |
| armstrong | @ttx: haha ok got it now | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | Cinder missed? | 15:08 |
| ttx | looks like it | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | Dang. I'll have to berate jungleboyj later. | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | I would be afraid to guess at a version number for cloudkittyclient | 15:09 |
| jungleboyj | What did I do wrong? | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | Missed milestone-3 release for cinder. | 15:09 |
| ttx | Do we need to force those ? | 15:09 |
| jungleboyj | Oy. Totally forgot that with everything else going on. I am sorry. | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: I think it would have to be a major version bump based on the changes there. | 15:10 |
| ttx | (rocky-3) | 15:10 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Should I go do that now? | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | let's drop cinder from governance ;-) | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: We got the first two, so not the end of the world. | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | Hehe | 15:10 |
| ttx | dhellmann: no they only missed one | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | drat | 15:10 |
| * jungleboyj glares at dhellmann | 15:10 | |
| ttx | BUT now that you mention it | 15:10 |
| * dhellmann smiles sweetly at jungleboyj | 15:10 | |
| ttx | freezer and searchlight did miss 2 | 15:10 |
| jungleboyj | Hey now ttx | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | freezer also had no ptl candidate | 15:11 |
| armstrong | are projects currently following the cycle-with-milestones? | 15:11 |
| ttx | so we kind of need to decide what to do there | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, we have two that do not meet our requirements to be included. | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | and searchlight, I think? | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | Not too surprisingly, the two that also do not have a PTL. | 15:11 |
| ttx | dhellmann: freezer also had no team meeting over the past year | 15:11 |
| ttx | I sent an email this morning to get a bit of status | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | armstrong: Most of the service projects are. | 15:11 |
| armstrong | ok | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | My post the ML can include both the missing client libs and the missing services. | 15:12 |
| ttx | dhellmann: as top contibrutor you know more about freezer than all of us combined right | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | :D | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | if you put me in charge I think you can guess what I'd do with it | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | ttx: I think we have a default PTL to appoint for that, right? ;) | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | "I will not seek, and will not accept, my party's nomination..." | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | So based on PTL and missing releases, I think we need a larger conversation about those two with the TC. | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | *will*shall | 15:13 |
| * dhellmann tries to get his quotes right | 15:14 | |
| smcginnis | And based on our policy, I think we need to exclude them from part of the coordinated release. | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : I agree | 15:14 |
| jungleboyj | Seriously though, sorry for missing that. Thanks for undestanding. | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : I also agree on that | 15:14 |
| ttx | I understand that some components may be feature complete, but I think having one person signed up to ensure minimal responses and releases is not too high of a bar | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj : we'll find a way for you to make it up ;-) | 15:14 |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: Sounds like a plan. | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I think that is the lowest possible bar | 15:14 |
| ttx | and dropping those off " | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | So I will call out the missing client releases, the missing milestone-3 service projects, and that the two (searchlight and freezer) will not be considered official rocky deliverables. | 15:15 |
| ttx | the release" | 15:15 |
| ttx | or the official set of projects is not killing them, it's just reflective of what we are ready to associate the openstack name with | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : yes. An email to the -dev list would be a good way to record that formally, and then we can take the TC action of deciding what to do next. | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | does the release team want to make a recommendation there? or do we just want to highlight the situation? | 15:16 |
| ttx | basically asd a community we need to decide whether openstack rocky should include Freezer and Searchlight | 15:16 |
| ttx | and frankly, if nobody cares enough about those to sign up to request releases... | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | FOr the cycle-w-i unreleased ones, I will just mention that without calling out all of them. Since it will already be a big list of projects. | 15:16 |
| ttx | they could continue their lives as an unofficial thing | 15:17 |
| fungi | i don't think the release team needs to make any recommendation. simply following the outlined policy and then making the tc aware of what has transpired is plenty | 15:17 |
| smcginnis | ttx: I don't know, we have a written policy in place about that. I'm always flexible, but seems kind off wrong to not meet criteria but then have a community decision to still do it anyway. | 15:17 |
| fungi | pretty sure the tc consensus will be ~ the same as what the release team would have recommended, but that avoids making the release team out to be the "bad guys" | 15:17 |
| ttx | I'm all for cutting some slack to small teams, but at some point keeping some teams alive is just perpetuating useless pain | 15:18 |
| * dhellmann puts away his black hat | 15:18 | |
| * fungi fears a black hat | 15:18 | |
| smcginnis | ttx: Are you saying whether they get listed as part of the official rocky deliverables, or whether they continue on as official OpenStack projects? | 15:18 |
| ttx | smcginnis: agreed | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : for the release team the former; for the tc the latter | 15:19 |
| fungi | the first is the purview of the release team, the second of the tc | 15:19 |
| ttx | smcginnis: as release team, we have the policy and apply it to define what is included in release. But as TC we should decide whether the project team still belongs. And missing release is a pretty significant miss | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | OK good, that's my sentiment as well. | 15:20 |
| ttx | the TC /could/ decide to keep them anyway | 15:20 |
| ttx | althoug that would be a bit weird | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | I just misinterpreted the earlier statement as leaving it up to the community whether to include them in rocky. | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | Agreed | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | if they were still active in the community (had PTLs) I could consider keeping them as "independent" projects, but that doesn't feel like the case here. but we can discuss that within the tc. | 15:21 |
| ttx | since releasing is one of the requirements to be official | 15:21 |
| ttx | ack | 15:21 |
| ttx | dhellmann: we have a policy that openstack "main" components have to follow a cycle-based model | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | true | 15:22 |
| ttx | so that "openstack" can be released on a cadence | 15:22 |
| ttx | we cut some slack to peripheral deliverables | 15:22 |
| ttx | but those are really not part of the "openstack" release | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | Is that a clear delineation in your map? | 15:22 |
| ttx | yes | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | Perfect | 15:22 |
| ttx | and part of the release model doc | 15:22 |
| ttx | basically everything in the "openstack" bucket on the map is released in a cycle-based fashion | 15:23 |
| ttx | it is "the openstack release" which we say is released every 6 months | 15:23 |
| ttx | anyway, that was a diversion | 15:24 |
| ttx | we have a couple other components missing milestone3 | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | so the next step there is for smcginnis to send that email to the -dev list? | 15:24 |
| ttx | mostly confirming the other list | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: I believe so. | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | ok, noted | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | and for the others, do we want to force tags? | 15:25 |
| * dhellmann goes to find that policy again | 15:25 | |
| smcginnis | I think we said we would do that at RC time? | 15:25 |
| ttx | smcginnis: maybe no point in forcing a python-searchlightclient release if we do not include searchlight | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | Right, we can probably skip that one. | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | "The release team will remind projects that miss the first milestone, and create tags on any later milestones for the project team by tagging HEAD at the time of the deadline." | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | Unless we want to have one final release to get what is out there. | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | form https://releases.openstack.org/reference/release_models.html#cycle-with-milestones | 15:25 |
| ttx | The policy is weird in that we save intermediary-released things that did not do a single release over cycle but drop things that are on a milestone-base and did release one | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | perhaps we should address that discrepancy for stein | 15:26 |
| ttx | if freezer and searchlight were cycle-with-intermediary we would have saved them | 15:26 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, that doesn't really feel right to me, but I guess at least we have the expectations documented. | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | in the mean time, it sounds like we said we *would* for tag things | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | *force | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | I can prepare that patch if you want | 15:27 |
| smcginnis | The wording does imply that. | 15:27 |
| ttx | I would still raise those who haven't done a single release and that we force... and ask the TC to review them | 15:27 |
| ttx | potentially dropping them too | 15:27 |
| ttx | Some are active and just planning to do a release for all the cycle | 15:28 |
| fungi | that makes a lot of sense to me | 15:28 |
| ttx | but some others might just be dead | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | was jungleboyj going to do cinder, or should I? | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | We do have the force flag in the deliverable now, so at least it will be easy to pull out a list of "concerns". | 15:28 |
| ttx | we'll see which ones ask for a release next week | 15:28 |
| fungi | if the release team regularly has to force releases of deliverables because the team responsible isn't requesting them on schedule, that's a problem regardless of release model | 15:28 |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: Still cut the milestone? | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: I guess if we are going to go ahead and tag those, we might as well do them in one batch. | 15:28 |
| ttx | cinder is fine, it missed only one | 15:28 |
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| smcginnis | fungi: ++ | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | ttx: the policy we documented says we would do all of the others | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | I will include cinder in this patch I'm working on | 15:29 |
| ttx | ah ok | 15:29 |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: Thank you. | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | I suppose at least then we reduce the chance of surprises next week at RC time. | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | I won't include freezer or searchlight, since we're going to drop those | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | I'll make that a separate patch | 15:29 |
| ttx | smcginnis: basically, I would strongly recommend that those intermediary-released not-yet released actually DO a release asap | 15:30 |
| smcginnis | Works for me. | 15:30 |
| ttx | those we have to force will get questioned | 15:30 |
| smcginnis | ttx: I will note that in my post. | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/588604 add rocky-3 milestone tags for projects that missed | 15:31 |
| smcginnis | Thanks dhellmann | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | Looking ahead at the RC1 tasks, we are otherwise in good shape I think. | 15:33 |
| ttx | there are a bunch of tempest plugins that will likely just need a forced release | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | I need to go back in re-read that long thread. Was the conclusion that those tempest plugins should be published to pypi?? | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | I have not seen much activity with getting that set up. | 15:34 |
| ttx | smcginnis: for intermediary-released stuff that did not do a single release, it's almost as if we should ask the TC wonder we should force releases or drop | 15:34 |
| ttx | s/wonder/whether | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | should I remove all of the freezer and searchlight deliverables, or just the service? | 15:34 |
| ttx | I'd say all | 15:35 |
| smcginnis | That would make sense. It's kind of like the cycle-with-milestones missing the deadlines. | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | it feels weird to include the clients and not the services | 15:35 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, drop the clients I think. | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/588605 remove freezer and searchlight from rocky series | 15:35 |
| ttx | and -uis | 15:35 |
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| smcginnis | OK, so with my calling out cycle-with-intermediary release recommendation, I will also state that projects that do not do one by RC will be dropped from rocky. | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Sound right? | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | I was distracted there for a second while I wrote those patches; should I tag designate-dashboard, too? | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | Hmm, probably. | 15:38 |
| ttx | I'd say "could be dropped" since that's not in our policy yet (we said we would force release) | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | ttx: OK | 15:38 |
| ttx | basically that will be a TC decision | 15:38 |
| ttx | and one where the health info will prove useful | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | ok, I updated https://review.openstack.org/588604 to include designate-dashboard | 15:38 |
| fungi | i feel like it's the release team's choice whether they force tag a deliverable or not. i wouldn't wait for the tc to tell you it's unnecessary unless you really just want to save yourself the trouble of tagging something which ends up not included in the coordinated release deliverable set | 15:39 |
| smcginnis | I think we should amend the release documentation so that it is a release team decision going forward, but since we do not state that now, probably best to make it a TC decision. | 15:39 |
| ttx | fungi: I'm happy with the TC formally saying that | 15:39 |
| ttx | but I don;t think it's been stating that as clearly in the past | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | do we need a resolution? | 15:39 |
| smcginnis | fungi: It does seem like it should be this group's choice, but I think the gotcha is we had not previously stated that. | 15:40 |
| ttx | I would keep the TC in the loop the first time, then document as policy | 15:40 |
| fungi | does the tc already have policy around this which needs alternig? if not, seems like it's well within the release team's jurisdiction (though i do support the tc adding policy or a resolution to back up the release team's decision in such matters) | 15:40 |
| ttx | (same as the two milestones missed, out policy | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | ok, ttx's approach works for me | 15:41 |
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| smcginnis | Maybe a second ML post with the [TC] tag explaining the situation, then we can discuss in the -tc channel. | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | or even on the mailing list :-) | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | but yeah | 15:42 |
| fungi | just worried that the tc explicitly delegating this choice to the release team sets a precedent that similar sorts of choices have to be explicitly delegated to teams in the future | 15:42 |
| ttx | fungi: it's more of a timing issue | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | that's reasonable | 15:42 |
| ttx | if we had set that policy clearly months ago, it would feel less like sudden powergrab | 15:42 |
| ttx | so keeping the TC in the loop of the first time sounds like a reasonable approach | 15:43 |
| fungi | 100% in favor of keeping the tc in the loop and asking them for input. as to whether we need to delegate it at the tc level, i suppose that's a topic for another venue | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | I suspect that the teams affected are going to be surprised no matter how much notice they have. | 15:43 |
| ttx | ah, no... was not askign for a reolsution ofr anything | 15:43 |
| ttx | more for forgiveness | 15:43 |
| fungi | makes sense | 15:43 |
| ttx | And I would definitely want the input of whoever did the health check for that team | 15:44 |
| ttx | since the situation is often unique | 15:44 |
| smcginnis | Going forward I think we can say the rule is the rule, but this is a little different. | 15:45 |
| fungi | seems fine to be careful this round as it's the first time it's being potentially enforced and there could be backlash/confusion | 15:46 |
| ttx | next topic? | 15:46 |
| smcginnis | OK, I think we're probably good with that for now. I want to make sure we have some time for a few other things. | 15:46 |
| smcginnis | #topic ACLs | 15:46 |
| ttx | I'll process those next week | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | I wanted to at least discuss the ajutant ones. | 15:47 |
| ttx | I'll keep them unifixed for them to fix before next milestone | 15:47 |
| ttx | since they are not in Rocky | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | They just became official, so wondering if we need to set a policy that new projects that are too late for the current cycle don't get their ACLs changed until the next cycle opens up. | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | ttx: ++ | 15:47 |
| ttx | yap | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | I think those are the only ones out of the list that had any kind of issue. The rest seem pretty straight forward. | 15:48 |
| smcginnis | Anything else on ACLs? | 15:49 |
| ttx | nope | 15:49 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 15:49 |
| smcginnis | Oh, PTG. | 15:49 |
| ttx | I had a topic | 15:49 |
| ttx | Review next week work | 15:49 |
| smcginnis | I was going to say, not sure if we need a planning etherpad. We can just find some time at the PTG like we've done before. | 15:49 |
| ttx | ack | 15:50 |
| smcginnis | #topic Review next week work | 15:50 |
| ttx | #link https://releases.openstack.org/reference/process.html#rc1 | 15:50 |
| * jungleboyj feels like he should pay attention to this so I know what to do. :-) | 15:50 | |
| ttx | It's relatively easy until you hit the end | 15:51 |
| ttx | but then we usually hit 7 so late in the week it's called the week after | 15:51 |
| ttx | or even 2 | 15:51 |
| armstrong | scmginnis the PTG is in Denver right? | 15:51 |
| ttx | "minimum set of projects used by devstack have been branched" | 15:51 |
| smcginnis | I think we've also had late critical things that caused requirements thaw to be late. | 15:52 |
| smcginnis | armstrong: Correct | 15:52 |
| ttx | do we ahve a list we can track ? | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I think we just usually wait for everything there | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | they all tend to come in around the same time anyway | 15:52 |
| ttx | yeah | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | but I think the intent of that phrasing was the starter-kit projects | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | so we would wait for glance but not freezer | 15:53 |
| ttx | since we are not really ahead, i expect next week will be all about chasing those RC1s, releases and branches | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | we should coordinate with gmann on those branches | 15:53 |
| smcginnis | I think I proposed them last cycle, but would be good to at least give gmann a heads up they are coming. | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I expect so, yeah | 15:54 |
| ttx | and we'll likely hit 2-9 the week after | 15:54 |
| ttx | Do we want to use some kind of tracking to see progress ? | 15:55 |
| ttx | we traditionally used etherpad dump in the tracking doc | 15:55 |
| dhellmann | we've had quite a few changes to the validation code this cycle; it wouldn't hurt to have some WIP patches for some of these branches to make sure we didn't break the validation for branching without tags | 15:55 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yeah, either the etherpad like we've done before or a story with tasks would be good | 15:56 |
| ttx | and a spreadsheet at one point | 15:56 |
| smcginnis | Let's start with the etherpad and see if we need more. | 15:56 |
| ttx | the per-week format of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-relmgt-tracking makes it a bit painful to use as release tracker | 15:56 |
| smcginnis | Maybe an ethercalc then? | 15:56 |
| ttx | maybe track at the bottom ? | 15:56 |
| dhellmann | ttx: the spreadsheet was more useful before we could use list-deliverables to see what hadn't been done | 15:56 |
| ttx | true | 15:57 |
| smcginnis | At the bottom of the tracking etherpad sounds good to me. | 15:57 |
| ttx | it's just me and my visual completion hints... I like to cross lines and add checkmarks | 15:57 |
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| ttx | makes it feel like progress | 15:58 |
| smcginnis | :) | 15:58 |
| dhellmann | sure, having a list like that works for me | 15:58 |
| ttx | but a watch on list-deliverables probably works too | 15:58 |
| dhellmann | it's a bit more to do manually, but *shrug* | 15:58 |
| dhellmann | I think last time we waited to create a short list of things to watch when we were starting to see what might come in late | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | or be blocked on bugs | 15:59 |
| ttx | ok I added a header for a Release candidate 1 / proposed intermediary release / branching tracker at the bottom of the doc | 16:00 |
| ttx | i suspect there are a bunch of OLD intermedary releases that need a refresh before branching too | 16:01 |
| * ttx looks that | 16:01 | |
| ttx | like swift 2.18.0 is two-months old and might want a refresh | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | OK, we're actually over time. Anything else we should make sure to cover? | 16:02 |
| ttx | no | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | not from me | 16:02 |
| ttx | I need to run and immerse myself in cold water | 16:02 |
| ttx | it's pretty hot here | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | ttx: So I hear. Stay cool. | 16:03 |
| armstrong | thanks | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Aug 3 16:03:18 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:03 |
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