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melwitt#startmeeting nova14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 12 14:00:14 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is melwitt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:00
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melwitthello everyone14:00
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melwitt#topic Release News14:00
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melwitt#link Rocky release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Rocky_Release_Schedule14:01
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melwittwe're just two weeks out from feature freeze r-3 July 2614:01
melwittwe have a blueprint status tracking etherpad to help with organizing review for completing blueprints14:01
melwitt#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-rocky-blueprint-status14:01
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* alex_xu waves late14:02
melwittthe placement reshaper and cells v2 handling of a down cell are high priority things I expect to go past feature freeze14:02
melwittif there are any other FFE candidates, I'd like to collect those somewhere, maybe by adding comments to the blueprint status etherpad. so please add comments there if there are things that need an FFE14:03
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melwitt#link Rocky review runways: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-runways-rocky14:04
tssuryao/14:04
melwittrunways got populated with new blueprints on tuesday14:04
melwitt#link runway #1: Allow abort live migrations in queued status https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/abort-live-migration-in-queued-status (Kevin Zheng) [END DATE: 2018-07-25] starts here https://review.openstack.org/56350514:04
melwitt#link runway #2: Add z/VM driver https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/add-zvm-driver-rocky (jichen) [END DATE: 2018-07-25] starts here https://review.openstack.org/52338714:04
melwitt#link runway #3: Support traits in Glance https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/glance-image-traits (arvindn05) [END DATE: 2018-07-25] last patch https://review.openstack.org/56949814:05
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melwittdoes anyone have any questions or comments to add about release news or runways?14:05
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melwitt#topic Bugs (stuck/critical)14:06
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melwittno critical bugs in the link14:06
melwitt#link 50 new untriaged bugs (down 1 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New14:06
melwitt#link 6 untagged untriaged bugs (down 1 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW14:06
melwitt#link bug triage how-to: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Tags14:06
melwitt#help need help with bug triage14:06
melwittwe're keeping the bug count at bay the past week, which is good, but we do need to do more triage14:07
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melwittand try to whittle that down14:07
melwittGate status:14:07
melwitt#link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html14:07
melwittgate seems to have been ok14:07
melwitt3rd party CI:14:08
melwitt#link 3rd party CI status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days14:08
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melwittanyone have anything else for bugs or gate status or third party CI?14:08
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melwitt#topic Reminders14:09
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melwitt#link Rocky Subteam Patches n Bugs: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-nova-priorities-tracking14:09
melwitt#link Stein PTG planning has commenced: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-stein14:09
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melwittwe have an etherpad for collecting topic ideas for the denver PTG ^14:09
melwittso please feel free to start using it14:10
melwittthat's all I have for reminders. anyone have anything to add for reminders?14:10
melwitt#topic Stable branch status14:11
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melwitt#link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/queens,n,z14:11
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melwittwe could use some stable reviews on queens, there are 8 proposed14:12
melwitt#link stable/pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/pike,n,z14:12
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melwittsimilar on pike, several already have one +2 there14:12
melwitt#link stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z14:12
melwittand finally, there are a couple of reviews to do on ocata, patches that are not -W14:13
melwittdoes anyone have anything else for stable branch status?14:13
melwitt#topic Subteam Highlights14:13
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melwittcells v2, we skipped having a meeting this week. and work on handling a down cell is underway. anything else to highlight dansmith?14:14
dansmithnay14:14
melwittcool14:14
melwittscheduler/placement, efried?14:14
efried#link NovaScheduler meeting log http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2018/nova_scheduler.2018-07-09-14.01.log.html14:14
efried=> Discussed the relative merits of having Project Management for the reshaper effort, since there's so many moving parts & different people on the hook for different parts.  I don't think we landed on anything solid there.14:14
efried=> We did discuss the scheduling/pacing of the work and determined that14:14
efried- sql-fu (jaypipes) needs to be done by Wednesday (yesterday)14:14
efried- POST /reshaper API (cdent) by end of this week (not sure this was well planned, since cdent is out today & tomorrow)14:14
efried- client-side bits (resource tracker (efried) and management CLI (dansmith)) by FF (7/26)14:14
efried=> We discussed the various consumer gen bugs & blockers. Most of that work has since merged.14:14
efried=> We had a question from Jack1 about placement affordance for PCI_DEVICE (there isn't any) which we continued discussing in #openstack-placement after the meeting.14:14
efried=> cdent asked to stop being on the hook to run the scheduler meetings; efried agreed to take over.14:14
efried<EOM>14:14
melwittnice summary, thanks14:15
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efriedI think the main takeaway there is that we're getting dangerously close to being behind on reshaper stuff...14:16
melwittAFAIK the sql-fu hasn't been proposed yet but we're on the lookout for it14:16
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melwittwe expect this work to continue past FF but of course it's best to get it done sooner than later14:17
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mriedemwe only have 2 weeks between FF and rc1 don't we?14:17
mriedemyeah 7/26 to 8/914:18
mriedemso i guess we should re-assess as we get toward FF, but there really isn't any window post-FF14:18
mriedemif it's like 1 change, then maybe that's ok14:18
melwitthm, okay14:19
mriedemand dansmith is out next week so no reviews from him14:19
dansmithyup14:19
dansmithand agree,14:19
dansmithit's pretty scary stuff to be doing far into FF14:19
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mriedemjaypipes: are you around this week to work on the sql part of reshaper?14:20
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mriedemi guess we should move on, but that worries me14:20
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melwittaye14:21
melwittokay, so it sounds like it would be a bad idea to continue work on reshaper past FF but we'll re-assess where we are closer to FF14:21
melwittmoving on, notification subteam highlights, gibi?14:22
gibimelwitt: sure14:22
gibithere was no meeting but there is a status mail #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-July/132068.html14:22
gibithe last notification only bp is closed ( bp add-action-initiator-to-instance-action-notifications)14:23
gibithat is all14:23
melwittcoolness, thanks gibi14:23
melwittwe have a new addition to the subteam agenda, API subteam from gmann14:24
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melwitthe said he might not be able to attend this week but will in the future, for this week we have a link to a highlight mail to the ML14:24
melwitt#link API highlights post from the ML: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-July/132148.html14:24
melwittthat's all I have for subteams. anyone have anything else for subteams?14:25
melwitt#topic Stuck Reviews14:25
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melwittno items in the agenda, does anyone in the room have anything for stuck reviews?14:25
melwitt#topic Open discussion14:26
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melwittI have one item that's a follow up from last meeting14:26
melwittabout the specless blueprint, proof-of-concept code has been uploaded (jmlowe) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/rbd-erasure-coding14:26
melwitt#link proof-of-concept code https://review.openstack.org/58105514:26
melwittlast week we agreed that approval of the blueprint would be contingent on 1) proof-of-concept code being uploaded 2) two core reviewers committing to reviewing it14:27
dansmithjust curious, but EC implies some amount of overhead for the parity data.. does ceph hide that in what it tells us is free space if enabled?14:28
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melwittfrom what I understand about what jmlowe said, ceph will not hide that in what it tells for usage14:28
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dansmithusage or free space?14:28
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dansmithif usage then our allocations don't really line up with the inventory and we need to have some reserved amount to cover the overhead I guess?14:29
melwittoh, yeah that's a good point to bring up14:30
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melwitthe had said usage but I don't know if that applies to free space too14:30
jaypipesmriedem: sorry, was out. yes, I am currently underway on the reshaper sql series.14:30
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dansmithmelwitt: those kind of questions are what I'd ask in a spec, FWIW14:30
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mriedemi'm personally not interested in being distracted by the EC stuff at this point in the cycle14:31
melwittif it's more involved than the POC that's been posted, then I agree it's too late in the cycle to mess with it14:32
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mriedemthe libvirt driver can report disk_gb overhead to the RT, but that's only used for claims which we don't do if you've disabled the DiskFilter14:32
mriedemour workaround for overhead from the driver is increasing reserved on the provider inventory14:33
mriedemwhich we don't do automatically14:33
dansmithyeah,14:33
melwittokay, that's helpful info14:33
dansmithbut what is not straightforward,14:33
dansmithis if one compute has this enabled but another doesn't,14:33
dansmithdoes that mean the allocations for just that compute node will be 20% off?14:34
dansmithalso, the scheduler makes those and doesn't know how the compute is configured14:34
dansmithI know 20% is likely high, just using it as an example14:34
efrieddansmith: Are we talking about a shared disk here?14:34
dansmithefried: it's ceph, so shared pool14:34
efriedAnd who's managing the rp for that?14:34
dansmithwhich we don't do correctly right now anyway, granted, but..14:34
efriedIf the op does it, like for nfs shared storage, then the driver  will never touch the reserved value, because the driver doesn't report it at all.14:35
efriedSo the op gets to set the reserved value (and allocation ratio and total, and....)14:35
dansmithmelwitt: anyway, I think in five minutes we've justified some spec-worthy Q&A14:36
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melwittyep, that's fair. I'll chat with jmlowe and let him know this should indeed be a spec because of the usage/allocations piece14:36
melwittthanks everyone for the discussion14:36
melwittdoes anyone else have anything for open discussion before we wrap up?14:37
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melwittalrighty, thanks everyone14:37
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melwitt#endmeeting14:37
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