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| tpatil | Hi Masakari members | 03:00 |
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| tpatil | #startmeeting Masakari | 03:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 10 03:00:51 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tpatil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Masakari)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 03:00 |
| tpatil | Hi All | 03:00 |
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| tpatil | Will wait for 5 more mins for team members to join this meeting | 03:03 |
| sagara | tpatil: Hi | 03:04 |
| tpatil | Hi Sagara san | 03:04 |
| tpatil | Do you have any particular topic for discussion? | 03:05 |
| sagara | tpatil: No, and you? | 03:05 |
| tpatil | Need reviews for masakari-dashboard | 03:06 |
| tpatil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/masakari-dashboard+branch:master+topic:bp/masakari-dashboard | 03:06 |
| tpatil | and | 03:06 |
| tpatil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/534958/ | 03:06 |
| sagara | tpatil: Do we review masakari-dashboard patches here? | 03:08 |
| tpatil | For masakari-dashboard, I have voted +2 on four patches. Request you and others to review these patches as well | 03:09 |
| sagara | tpatil: OK, I'll check them. | 03:10 |
| tpatil | ok, Thanks | 03:10 |
| tpatil | I will review the updated PS for Introspective Instance Monitoring | 03:11 |
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| tpatil | Let's end this meeting if there is no other topic left for discussion | 03:13 |
| tpatil | Please use openstack-masakari IRC for any discussions or send your queries on ML. | 03:16 |
| sagara | tpatil: OK, thanks, bye. | 03:16 |
| tpatil | Thank you Sagara san | 03:16 |
| tpatil | #endmeeting | 03:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 03:16 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 10 03:16:17 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-07-10-03.00.html | 03:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-07-10-03.00.txt | 03:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-07-10-03.00.log.html | 03:16 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 10 16:00:39 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:00 |
| njohnston_ | o/ | 16:00 |
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| mlavalle | I don't run this meeeting regularly, so you will have to excuse my clumsiness | 16:02 |
| mlavalle | #topic Actions from previous meetings | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from previous meetings (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:02 | |
| haleyb | hi | 16:02 |
| mlavalle | njohnston to look into adding Grafana dasboard for stable branches | 16:02 |
| mlavalle | any updates on this one? | 16:03 |
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| njohnston | I have a change queued to it but I wanted to check with slaweq, but he is on PTO | 16:03 |
| njohnston | I figure once he gets back I'll make sure I understand his comment correctly and then get this going | 16:04 |
| mlavalle | did he leave a comment in the change? | 16:04 |
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| njohnston | yes | 16:04 |
| mlavalle | what's the urls change? I am pretty sure he will red the log of this meeting... | 16:05 |
| mlavalle | that way he will know he has homework.... | 16:05 |
| njohnston | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/578191/ | 16:05 |
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| njohnston | Although since ajaeger concurred I might just go ahead, since ajaeger's comment cleared up the ambiguity I had | 16:06 |
| mlavalle | I agree | 16:06 |
| mlavalle | just go ahead | 16:06 |
| njohnston | ok I will do that right after this meeting then | 16:07 |
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| mlavalle | thanks for moving this forward! | 16:07 |
| njohnston | np | 16:07 |
| mlavalle | #actions slaweq will report and investigate py35 timeouts | 16:07 |
| mlavalle | Before leaving for vacation, he filed a bug for it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1779077 | 16:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1779077 in neutron "Unit test jobs (py35) fails with timeout often" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 16:08 |
| mlavalle | Preparing for this meeting earlier today I looked for instances of this issue and couldn't find any | 16:09 |
| mlavalle | Have any of you seen it happening? | 16:09 |
| njohnston | not off the top of my head | 16:09 |
| mlavalle | how about you haleyb? | 16:10 |
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| haleyb | no, haven't seen that | 16:10 |
| haleyb | deprecation warnings like in that log always worry me though, as each takes time | 16:10 |
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| mlavalle | ok, to help slaweq in prioritizing his todos catching up next week, I'll leave note in the bug indicating we discussed it today and we haven't seen it lately | 16:11 |
| mlavalle | hang on | 16:11 |
| njohnston | most recent one I see is in the graphql change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/578191/ PS8 | 16:12 |
| njohnston | but that was on 6/28 | 16:12 |
| mlavalle | ok, I left a note on the bug | 16:13 |
| mlavalle | #action slaweq reports a bug with tempest timeouts | 16:13 |
| mlavalle | He filed this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1779075 | 16:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1779075 in neutron "Tempest jobs fails because of timeout" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:14 |
| mlavalle | It has no owner at this point in time | 16:14 |
| mlavalle | any takers? | 16:15 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 16:15 |
| mlavalle | #topic Grafana | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Grafana (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:16 | |
| mlavalle | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 16:16 |
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| mlavalle | I don't see much out of the ordinary | 16:18 |
| mlavalle | what do others think? | 16:18 |
| haleyb | sorry, still loading | 16:19 |
| mlavalle | take your time :-) | 16:19 |
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| njohnston | yeah it takes a while to load the 7 day view | 16:19 |
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| njohnston | looks like yesterday we had a bad spike on functional test failures in the gate, up to 50% | 16:20 |
| haleyb | tempest-full still at 15% failure in the gate, but that just started and is working down? | 16:20 |
| haleyb | yes, functional too, so guess that will subside | 16:21 |
| mlavalle | yeah I see that functional spike | 16:21 |
| mlavalle | but it seems to be coming down | 16:21 |
| njohnston | and it seems like there is a spike in most of the panels starting about 2 hours ago | 16:22 |
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| mlavalle | probably rworth re-checking tomorrow | 16:22 |
| njohnston | looks like almost all of the check queue panels, none of the gate queue panels, show the spike | 16:23 |
| mlavalle | so it might be a bunch of patches hitting gerrit | 16:24 |
| njohnston | yeah | 16:24 |
| mlavalle | bringing some failures | 16:24 |
| mlavalle | let's keep an eye on it | 16:25 |
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| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 16:26 |
| mlavalle | #topic Tempest tests | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest tests (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:26 | |
| mlavalle | Since about two weeks ago we have seen this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1775947 | 16:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1775947 in tempest "tempest.api.compute.servers.test_device_tagging.TaggedAttachmentsTest failing" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Deepak Mourya (mourya007) | 16:27 |
| mlavalle | I saw it several times over the past few days | 16:27 |
| mlavalle | and again investigating earlier today preparing for this meeting | 16:27 |
| mlavalle | Left anote in the bug itself | 16:28 |
| mlavalle | There is a related patch for Tempest: https://review.openstack.org/# /c/578765/ | 16:28 |
| mlavalle | oooops | 16:29 |
| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/578765/ | 16:29 |
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| mlavalle | that's probably better | 16:29 |
| mlavalle | here probably the action item is to bug the QA guys to just merge the patch | 16:30 |
| mlavalle | it has a +2 and two +1s | 16:30 |
| mlavalle | I'll bug them | 16:30 |
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| njohnston | I think Felipe's comments are valid but they can be a follow-on change | 16:30 |
| mlavalle | #action mlavalle to follow up with QA team to merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/578765/ | 16:31 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 16:32 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Grenade | 16:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Grenade (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:32 | |
| mlavalle | In the last meeting slweq asked me about http://logs.openstack.org/03/563803/9/check/neutron-grenade-dvr-multinode/13338d9/logs/testr_results.html.gz | 16:33 |
| haleyb | another timeout? | 16:34 |
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| mlavalle | I actually dug deeper and found a problem with one of my multiple port binding patches | 16:35 |
| mlavalle | I corrected it here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414251/69/neutron/objects/ports.py@477 | 16:36 |
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| mlavalle | and I verified that the issue is gone | 16:37 |
| njohnston | interesting | 16:37 |
| mlavalle | Matt also confirmed he is not seeinng it anymore | 16:37 |
| mlavalle | btw, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414251 is ready for review | 16:38 |
| mlavalle | I think it good to merge, so if you have a time, please take a look | 16:38 |
| mlavalle | ok moving on | 16:39 |
| mlavalle | There was one final action item from last meeting: #action njohnston to ask infra team if TIMED_OUT is included in FAILURE for grafana graphs | 16:39 |
| mlavalle | did you have a chance to talk to them? | 16:39 |
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| njohnston | My apologies I completely forgot about this. | 16:40 |
| mlavalle | no problem | 16:40 |
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| mlavalle | whenever you have a chance | 16:40 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 16:41 |
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| mlavalle | Any other topics we shuld discuss today? | 16:41 |
| haleyb | i had a question | 16:41 |
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| haleyb | i recently tagged all the neutron repos | 16:41 |
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| haleyb | weren't we going to tag neutron-tempest-plugin too? i'm trying to remember if i forgot something | 16:42 |
| mlavalle | stabe brnches, right? | 16:42 |
| haleyb | right | 16:42 |
| mlavalle | we never concluded that conversation | 16:42 |
| haleyb | downstream ci wants to know :) | 16:42 |
| mlavalle | I asked the release team | 16:43 |
| mlavalle | and they pretty much said it was up to us | 16:43 |
| mlavalle | let me dig in my todos and I'll get back to you | 16:44 |
| haleyb | then i guess we should, unless there was some objection i don't remember about branchless, etc | 16:44 |
| mlavalle | the only objection came from amotoki | 16:44 |
| mlavalle | exactly around the brnachless nature of that repo | 16:45 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: ack. just an fyi that some downstream tools we use only pull when a new tag appears, so haven't pulled since an initial setup was done | 16:45 |
| mlavalle | but I remember that other projects are releasing / tagging their tempest plugin repos | 16:46 |
| mlavalle | I'll get back to you soon | 16:46 |
| njohnston | Update from the infra team: corvus says TIMED_OUT is not counted in FAILURE. So we might need to brainstorm how to report volume of TIMED_OUT errors. | 16:46 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: np, i just got pinged about it this morning | 16:47 |
| corvus | (to clarify, i believe every build result is reported as its own statsd/graphite metric) | 16:47 |
| mlavalle | njohnston, corvus: thanks for the update | 16:48 |
| njohnston | corvus: right, just want to make sure that if we see a failure line at 0, or 50, that it matches how many are actually failing, so it might need some adjustment to the grafana to accomodate some extra graphite metrics | 16:48 |
| haleyb | so is there a timedout stat in addition to success/failure? been a while since i dug into graphite | 16:49 |
| mlavalle | corvus: ^^^^ any guidance from the top of your head? | 16:50 |
| corvus | haleyb: yes, should be (also NODE_FAILURE, RETRY_FAILURE, POST_FAILURE, etc) | 16:50 |
| corvus | but those will only show up in graphite for a particular job if it's ever reported one | 16:50 |
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| corvus | (they're counters, so we don't send them unless they exist) | 16:51 |
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| * njohnston will plumb graphite | 16:51 | |
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| haleyb | right, remember seeing empty graphs because a job had never failed before | 16:51 |
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| haleyb | njohnston: good luck :) | 16:52 |
| mlavalle | njohnston: thanks! | 16:52 |
| mlavalle | Thanks for attending | 16:52 |
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| mlavalle | Next week slaweq will be back driving this meeting | 16:53 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 16:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 10 16:53:15 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2018/neutron_ci.2018-07-10-16.00.html | 16:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2018/neutron_ci.2018-07-10-16.00.txt | 16:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2018/neutron_ci.2018-07-10-16.00.log.html | 16:53 |
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| ianw | is anyone here for an infra catch-up? | 19:01 |
| ianw | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 10 19:01:25 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 19:01 |
| corvus | howdy | 19:01 |
| ianw | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
| ianw | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| ianw | clarkb & fungi are off doing important things | 19:02 |
| ianw | hence bumbling along with me | 19:03 |
| fungi | thanks ianw! | 19:03 |
| * fungi is not really here, but kinda here | 19:03 | |
| * cmurphy squints at fungi | 19:03 | |
| ianw | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| ianw | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-07-03-19.01.html Minutes from last meeting | 19:04 |
| ianw | I don't think we had any particular action items to cover | 19:04 |
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| ianw | #topic Specs approval | 19:05 |
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| ianw | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/565550/ config mgmt and containers | 19:05 |
| ianw | this has been a pretty big focus, and there's been patches flying for various container related things like pbrx, bindep support, and mirror support | 19:06 |
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| ianw | anyway, i think still some things to discuss but have a look if interested | 19:07 |
| ianw | #link https://review.openstack.org/581214 Add anomaly detection in CI/CD jobs specification draft | 19:08 |
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| ianw | was the other spec that came in, for perusal but is still marked as a draft | 19:08 |
| ianw | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:09 | |
| ianw | if fungi is around, any particular storyboard updates? | 19:10 |
| fungi | none i know about | 19:10 |
| ianw | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:puppet-4+status:open puppet 4 migration changes | 19:10 |
| ianw | cmurphy: ^ i've seen lots of patches flying, want to give us a summary? | 19:11 |
| cmurphy | sure | 19:11 |
| cmurphy | i'm working through this list to try to get some more testing https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-puppet-modules-to-test | 19:11 |
| cmurphy | i don't really want to write tests for all of them so help prioritizing them would be good | 19:12 |
| cmurphy | otherwise we could start turning on the future parser for some nodes nowish if we want | 19:12 |
| cmurphy | i'll probably put up a review to do that for one of the dev sites next week ish and ask infra-root to work through it | 19:14 |
| cmurphy | that's about it | 19:14 |
| ianw | i guess you don't mind us updating that page? i had an ethercalc rspec test somewhere | 19:14 |
| * mordred waves | 19:14 | |
| cmurphy | ianw: go for it | 19:14 |
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| ianw | my only thought on priority would be the non-xenial things that have kind of stalled | 19:15 |
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| cmurphy | as in prioritize getting those to xenial? | 19:16 |
| ianw | honestly i can't even quite remember what was still to be done, but i can go back over it, and maybe update that page | 19:16 |
| ianw | yes, i think that would be good, to at least try and finish that project | 19:17 |
| cmurphy | ++ | 19:17 |
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| ianw | alright, well that sounds like something we can all work on, anything else? | 19:17 |
| cmurphy | not from me | 19:18 |
| ianw | #topic General topics | 19:18 |
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| ianw | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/winterscale-service-branding | 19:18 |
| ianw | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2018-July/006010.html | 19:18 |
| ianw | just calling out clarkb's note above | 19:19 |
| ianw | around ideas of what would be "generic" and what could be individually branded under the winterscale initiative | 19:20 |
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| ianw | re packethost cloud from the agenda | 19:21 |
| ianw | we received confirmation a dodgy cable was replaced, and MTU's have been rejiggered (that's the technical term) | 19:21 |
| corvus | i'd still like to poke at the idea of running separate gerrits | 19:22 |
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| corvus | i think there's a significant discussion to be had about that in particular; there are a lot of pros and cons | 19:23 |
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| ianw | what do you see as the pros? | 19:25 |
| fungi | no need for namespacing is the big one, in my opinion | 19:25 |
| fungi | separate theming is also a pro | 19:25 |
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| corvus | there's similar discovery options to git hosting | 19:25 |
| corvus | like, you go to review.example.org and you see the proposed changes for the constituent repos of the example project | 19:26 |
| corvus | and, i know this is counter-intuitive, but in some ways, sysadmin may be easier | 19:27 |
| corvus | it's really easy to run a small gerrit. it's hard to run a big one. | 19:27 |
| fungi | makes sense. in a large and widely-shared instance the default dashboard is somewhat useless | 19:27 |
| corvus | if we can make it easy to run *lots* of small gerrits, it may be a net win. we may be able to avoid the really sophisticated engineering it takes to run a massive gerrit. | 19:27 |
| fungi | much like a view of the most recent open pull requests across all of github would be somewhat silly | 19:28 |
| corvus | of course, it's valuable to have a place for projects without domains to be. so -- does winterscale have a winterscale branded gerrit, and also other branded gerrits? do projects move between them? | 19:29 |
| corvus | lot's of problems arise | 19:29 |
| ianw | i've always thought https://gerrit-dash-creator.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ was a little underrated | 19:29 |
| fungi | yeah, i feel like the ability to relocate projects from one gerrit to another is the biggest piece of the challenge | 19:29 |
| corvus | ianw: it's great. it's not how i want to introduce potential new contributors to zuul | 19:29 |
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| ianw | are we going to need to handle different contributor agreement type things? | 19:32 |
| corvus | anyway, even if we elect to have a single gerrit, it may get so large we need to start adding custom components that work around issues like that | 19:32 |
| fungi | we've struggled enough in the past with projects simply wanting to rename between namespaces on a single gerrit, to the point where we put the kibosh on tying namespaces to governance. porting them from one gerrit to another while preserving review history (and contributor accounts?) is significantly harder | 19:32 |
| corvus | ianw: i say no, because we will handle no contributor agreement type things | 19:33 |
| corvus | my understanding is that the foundation is working to handle accounting of those things external to the code review system | 19:33 |
| fungi | beyond maybe the built-in option to reject pushes of commits with no dco signed-off-by footers | 19:33 |
| fungi | (the dco is a sort of agreement, but not enforced in the same way) | 19:34 |
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| corvus | another thing to maybe talk about is -- since we're talking about having lots of whitelabled stuff -- how do we manage domains and ssl certs, etc | 19:35 |
| corvus | things could get unweildy fast | 19:35 |
| ianw | that's good info, i mean the con to me seems to be having X different logins, but if it's going to be clearly centrally defined that's helpful | 19:36 |
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| fungi | that was a takeaway mordred had from a hallway discussion in sydney, i think? to write up how we'd do federated/centralized authentication | 19:38 |
| ianw | domains seem to be an issue. i resort to updating via the rax website as often as not | 19:38 |
| mordred | yeah. I need to write that up - sorry | 19:39 |
| fungi | well, for zuul-ci.org and whatever the winterscale domain ends up being, we can do domain modifications via git/gerrit | 19:39 |
| fungi | i feel like we can offer to support that for domains people want to delegate to our nameservers | 19:39 |
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| fungi | and for people who don't want to delegate their domains to our nameservers, maybe we let the onus be on them to make dns updates? | 19:40 |
| fungi | what i don't want is for us to be responsible for renewing random domains with their registrars though | 19:41 |
| corvus | ya | 19:41 |
| fungi | as for ssl certs, if we do letsencrypt i think maybe we can get by with our configuration management bootstrapping systems by substituting snakeoil certs at the same path until le negotiates | 19:42 |
| corvus | that sounds promising | 19:42 |
| fungi | but that would need some testing | 19:42 |
| fungi | also that only solves the ssl cert problem for systems running web services, though maybe that's "good enough" | 19:43 |
| fungi | there was recent news about similar le automation for smtp start-ssl integration though, i haven't dug into detail there yet | 19:43 |
| ianw | fungi: if we're also doing your domain's dns, we may be able to work something with dns record based LE approvals? | 19:44 |
| fungi | ianw: that's probably at odds with piping dns updates through code review | 19:45 |
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| fungi | unless we turn on ddns support in the master or something, though that gets challenging to secure | 19:45 |
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| fungi | problem with the acme dns method, from what i gather, is that the acme client needs the ability to directly insert dns records to perform the negotiation | 19:46 |
| * mugsie coughs - https://pypi.org/project/certbot-dns-openstack/ | 19:48 | |
| ianw | fungi: i'm interested in this, but need to do some research. should we carry an action item to come up with something a little more concrete, even just for a POC LE integration for just web to start with? | 19:48 |
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| fungi | mugsie: would that be compatible with keeping zonefiles in git? | 19:49 |
| mugsie | unfortunately not :/ | 19:49 |
| fungi | ianw: sounds good to me | 19:49 |
| mugsie | it creates and deletes records in a few seconds | 19:50 |
| fungi | mugsie: other challenge, can it be done without access to a designate service? and how would you recommend splitting the implementation across different cloud providers? federated designate? | 19:50 |
| fungi | mostly trying to figure out if and where we can find designates to use for that | 19:51 |
| mugsie | federated designate would work. It does need a designate though - it is writen for designate | 19:51 |
| mugsie | there is other DNS auth plugins | 19:51 |
| fungi | i suppose some separate automation to inject designate api calls to multiple designates in different providers based on updates to a zone file in a git repository | 19:51 |
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| fungi | or can we slave nameservers we run to a designate-based silent master? then we could put the slaves in separate providers | 19:53 |
| * fungi is unfortunately not familiar enough with how designate is implemented | 19:53 | |
| mugsie | fungi: that is how designate works - we have a hidden python dns server used as a master | 19:53 |
| fungi | and then users can register their own slaves with the designate master? | 19:54 |
| fungi | or is it only possible for the cloud provider/operator to add slaves? | 19:54 |
| mugsie | no - that is a admin thing. But admins can create server pools - so depending on how friendly you are wiht your provider, it may be OK | 19:55 |
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| fungi | reliance on personal relationships is probably not a great cornerstone for designing an infrastructure that random other communities can also replicate if they want | 19:55 |
| fungi | but thanks for the ideas, worth keeping in mind | 19:56 |
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| mordred | fungi: indeed. but - since it's openstack, saying "here's how you can replicate this infrastructure on openstack" seems potentially fair ... | 19:56 |
| fungi | true | 19:56 |
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| mordred | fungi: and in our specific case, being only on public openstack clouds, just getting one or two of them to be friendly might not be too high of a bar | 19:57 |
| ianw | #action ianw fungi begin planning for an initial POC for letsencrypt integration | 19:57 |
| * fungi didn't mean to derail that discussion quite so much, sorry! | 19:57 | |
| mordred | fungi: fun derailing! | 19:58 |
| mugsie | its my fault really :) | 19:58 |
| ianw | mugsie: well you just put yourself on the hook to be a consulting partner in all this :) | 19:58 |
| mugsie | I saw DNS and ACME fly by in a window | 19:58 |
| mugsie | yay? | 19:59 |
| ianw | anyway ... | 19:59 |
| ianw | #topic Project Renames | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Project Renames (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:59 | |
| fungi | always appreciate your dns expertise, mugsie | 19:59 |
| ianw | last week i think it was decided to not do anything about renames until later in the month | 19:59 |
| * mordred hands mugsie a fluffy bunny rabbit | 19:59 | |
| ianw | so, let's do that | 19:59 |
| ianw | #topic Open Discussion | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: infra)" | 20:00 | |
| ianw | we're at time, but you can find people in #openstack-infra | 20:00 |
| fungi | thanks ianw! | 20:00 |
| ianw | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 10 20:01:17 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-07-10-19.01.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-07-10-19.01.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-07-10-19.01.log.html | 20:01 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 20:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 10 20:59:19 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-sig)" | 20:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 20:59 |
| oneswig | #link agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_July_10th_2018 | 20:59 |
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| oneswig | greetings | 20:59 |
| trandles | o/ | 21:00 |
| oneswig | Afternoon trandles | 21:00 |
| oneswig | I was hoping to catch up with you on the latest status for Charliecloud | 21:00 |
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| trandles | bonsoir oneswig ;) | 21:01 |
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| trandles | ah yeah, I can fill you in on Charliecloud developments | 21:01 |
| janders | Hi Stig! :) | 21:01 |
| oneswig | In fact I am in German-speaking territories right now, so guten abent, I guess... | 21:01 |
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| oneswig | Hey janders, how's things? | 21:01 |
| martial_ | Hi Stig | 21:01 |
| oneswig | martial_: bravo, you made it, good effort | 21:02 |
| oneswig | #chair martial_ | 21:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial_ oneswig | 21:02 |
| janders | oneswig: good, thank you :) | 21:02 |
| janders | how are you? | 21:02 |
| oneswig | OK, I think the agenda might be a quick one today... | 21:02 |
| janders | Berlin :) | 21:02 |
| oneswig | janders: all good here, wanted to ask you about your news later | 21:02 |
| oneswig | janders: oh go on then | 21:02 |
| oneswig | #topic Berlin CFP | 21:03 |
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| oneswig | It's a week off! | 21:03 |
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| oneswig | I am hoping to put a talk (or two) in on some recent work - hope you'll all do the same | 21:04 |
| janders | Which of the three topics would you be interested to hear about: 1) CSIRO baremetal cloud project report 2) Cloudifying NVIDIA DGX1 or 3) dual-fabric (Mellanox Ethernet+IB) OpenStack ? | 21:04 |
| oneswig | trandles: I assume you're going to Denver? | 21:04 |
| oneswig | er... all of the above? | 21:04 |
| trandles | Dallas, but I know what you meant ;) | 21:04 |
| janders | I can do one, perhaps two out of the three | 21:04 |
| oneswig | trandles: understandable, but dang all the same... | 21:05 |
| oneswig | I'm not sure who to drink a G&T with now! | 21:05 |
| trandles | oneswig: yeah I'd prefer a trip to Berlin but I have HQ duties at SC for at least the next two years :( Have to get the Summit organizing committee to pick a week that doesn't conflict. | 21:05 |
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| oneswig | Is there a Summit system going to your place? | 21:06 |
| oneswig | Ah. Different summit. | 21:06 |
| oneswig | doh | 21:06 |
| martial_ | and I have to get our SC18 BoF situated. I have a K8s person, 2x from Docker and our OpenStack crowd as well | 21:06 |
| oneswig | martial_: that's even bigger than your panel at Vancouver! | 21:07 |
| janders | oneswig: that would be great - it's a real PITA that OSS & SC clash pretty much every time | 21:07 |
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| trandles | martial_: if you think of it, put me in touch with Hoge to discuss HPC containers + OpenStack | 21:07 |
| oneswig | ok - I consider the notice served on Berlin CFP. | 21:07 |
| martial_ | Yes Tim, sorry I got your email, just in the queue and things get added | 21:08 |
| trandles | martial_: no worries :) | 21:08 |
| oneswig | Can we fit a containers-on-openstack update in here? | 21:08 |
| oneswig | Charliecloud news? | 21:08 |
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| trandles | Charliecloud news-in-brief: 1) new version coming soonish but I don't know of anything hugely impactful in the changelog 2) several times now I've been pinged about being able to launch baremetal Charliecloud containers using nova but I haven't followed up on it | 21:09 |
| trandles | if this crowd would like a brief talk on Charliecloud I'd be happy to do one at this meeting sometime | 21:10 |
| janders | trandles: that would be great! :) | 21:10 |
| oneswig | On 2, what's that all about? | 21:11 |
| trandles | discuss our HPC container runtime philosophy and why Charliecloud is the way it is | 21:11 |
| martial_ | Tim: yes please | 21:11 |
| oneswig | trandles: any news on OpenHPC packaging? | 21:11 |
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| oneswig | trandles: seconded on the SIG talk, yes please | 21:12 |
| trandles | well, for 2), I'm not sure what folks are thinking and no one has brought it up enough for me to make it a priority, so maybe consider this a very generic request for more info | 21:12 |
| martial_ | I can tell you we have a lot of users that use TACC that are really unhappy about Singularity | 21:13 |
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| oneswig | Given Charliecloud takes docker containers as input, isn't this a bit odd? | 21:13 |
| martial_ | we are investigating gVisor | 21:13 |
| trandles | oneswig: we (one of the exascale project focus areas) just got an OpenHPC presentation from the founders and their slides said Charliecloud is in the new release | 21:13 |
| oneswig | martial_: care to elaborate? | 21:13 |
| oneswig | I suspect gvisor isn't going far, seems to be a fix at the wrong level with the user space interposer | 21:13 |
| trandles | gVisor IIRC is more of a container hypervisory-type thing | 21:13 |
| trandles | oneswig: I agree about the oddness of wanting to launch Charliecloud using nova, hence my lack of interest in seriously running down the idea | 21:15 |
| martial_ | oneswig: we have this issue where they are forced to use Singularity but the analytics is constrained within a docker container and shifting it to singularity limiting | 21:15 |
| martial_ | plus we are hoping to remove root access. I have been pitching CharlieCloud as an alternative but TACC runs Singularity so hard to force the issue | 21:16 |
| oneswig | martial_: perhaps this applies to a number of the non-docker runtimes? | 21:16 |
| oneswig | martial_: They'll need to upgrade their kernel - but on the plus side they'll also get the mimic Ceph client! | 21:16 |
| trandles | at a higher level, there is an ECP container working group discussing two general use cases 1) containerizing HPC microservices, 2) runtime requirements for containerized HPC jobs, and 3) containerizing HPC applications | 21:17 |
| trandles | *three general use cases... | 21:17 |
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| martial_ | Tim: if you have some time and are willing to discuss Charliecloud for root isolation (vs Singularity or gVisor) :) | 21:17 |
| oneswig | "book 5 in the increasingly inaccurately named trilogy..." | 21:18 |
| trandles | oneswig: +1 | 21:18 |
| trandles | martial_: let me know when | 21:18 |
| janders | martial_: what's the main issue with users having root - is it a data access issue or risk for the container host itself? Or all of the above? | 21:18 |
| trandles | FYI - I'm out on work travel July 14-25, so likely missing the next two of these meetings | 21:18 |
| martial_ | checking if our Chris is around | 21:18 |
| oneswig | trandles: are we talking to the Charliecloud marketing dept? | 21:19 |
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| trandles | oneswig: no comment (might be the PR department) | 21:19 |
| martial_ | tim: data exfiltration protection | 21:20 |
| trandles | that's a nice segue to the next topic on the agenda isn't it martial_ ? | 21:20 |
| martial_ | always here to help :) | 21:20 |
| oneswig | Ah, indeed, have we come to a conclusion on hpc containers? | 21:20 |
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| oneswig | #topic survey on controlled-access data | 21:21 |
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| trandles | pencil me in for Charliecloud talk at the August 7 meeting | 21:21 |
| oneswig | Just wanted to draw everyone's attention to new data on our etherpad | 21:21 |
| martial_ | cool, I will try to bring in my crowd too | 21:21 |
| oneswig | trandles: someone else will need to pencil that one as I'll be on vacation, alas... | 21:21 |
| oneswig | (not alas for the vacation however) | 21:22 |
| martial_ | vacation? Stig ... it is for science! | 21:22 |
| oneswig | I'll pack my telescope... | 21:22 |
| oneswig | #link Updates on the etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Scientific-SIG-Controlled-Data-Research | 21:22 |
| janders | oneswig: heading to Western Australia? South Africa? :) | 21:22 |
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| oneswig | janders: not this time... | 21:23 |
| oneswig | Geneva to CERN next week however, really looking forward to that! | 21:23 |
| oneswig | OK - on the etherpad, the search has turned up a few prominent projects | 21:24 |
| janders | oneswig: excellent, enjoy. | 21:24 |
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| oneswig | I was hoping these might get people thinking of other items to add | 21:24 |
| trandles | oneswig: pro-tip - check out Charly's in Saint Genis for a friendly CERN crowd | 21:25 |
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| martial_ | I have a meeting 8/7 that ends at 5pm, so I might be penciled in on that one too | 21:25 |
| martial_ | I am sharing this with Khalil and Craig because we are in conversation with places for data access too (with ORCA), so they might be able to extend the list | 21:26 |
| oneswig | Etherpad editing isn't usually a spectator sport so I wanted to leave that one with people | 21:26 |
| oneswig | martial_: that sounds really good, I think we could do with more data from their domain | 21:26 |
| oneswig | I would like to get some guest speakers in, if possible. Martial - got any NIST connections for FedRAMP? | 21:27 |
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| janders | oneswig: Charly's is pretty cool indeed :) | 21:29 |
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| oneswig | trandles: janders: now I'll have to go! | 21:29 |
| oneswig | OK, shall we move on? | 21:31 |
| martial_ | stig: Bob Bohn | 21:31 |
| martial_ | Stig: I was thinking on it, he can help you with that, you know Bob, right? | 21:31 |
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| oneswig | martial_: I do indeed. I'll drop him a mail, thanks | 21:31 |
| martial_ | :) | 21:32 |
| oneswig | #topic AOB | 21:32 |
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| oneswig | janders: how's the IB deploy going? | 21:33 |
| janders | oneswig: making good progress. This week I'm training colleagues who are new on the project, so less R&D happening. | 21:33 |
| janders | An interesting observation / hint: | 21:34 |
| janders | Make sure that the GUIDs are always specified in lowercase | 21:34 |
| janders | Otherwise Bad Things (TM) will happen | 21:34 |
| martial_ | sound ominous | 21:34 |
| janders | Like - the whole SDN workflow accepting the uppercase GUIDs end to end... till the Subnet Manager is restarted | 21:35 |
| janders | then all the GUIDs disappear and all the IB ports go down | 21:35 |
| trandles | janders: I'm just now thinking how I want to incorporate IB into my OpenStack testbed. OK if I bug you with thoughts/questions? | 21:35 |
| janders | sure! :) | 21:35 |
| janders | jacob.anders@csiro.au | 21:35 |
| trandles | trandles@lanl.gov | 21:36 |
| trandles | I'll fire something off tomorrow, thx | 21:36 |
| janders | trandles: are you after virtualised/SRIOV implementation, baremetal or both? | 21:36 |
| trandles | SRIOV primarily, but I'd like to hear about the SDN stuff especially | 21:37 |
| trandles | plus I might be able to extend the use case to OPA with another testbed | 21:37 |
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| janders | just to wrap up the uppercase GUID challange: it seems that input validation for API calls is different than for reading config files on startup. This will be addressed in a future (hopefully - next OpenSM release:) | 21:37 |
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| trandles | rumor is the fabric manager is much happier with the dynamic stuff than an IB subnet manager | 21:38 |
| janders | It was interesting to debug in R&D - not so much if it somehow happened in prod - that would have been catastrophic | 21:38 |
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| trandles | I have to run folks...until next time... | 21:38 |
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| oneswig | thanks trandles | 21:38 |
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| janders | see you trandles | 21:39 |
| oneswig | janders: is it in production now? At what scale? | 21:39 |
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| janders | oneswig: not yet. The requirements changed a fair bit | 21:39 |
| martial_ | (bye Tim) | 21:39 |
| martial_ | seems pretty cool janders | 21:40 |
| janders | It turns out that the cybersecurity research system will be completely separate - so we'll build this first | 21:40 |
| janders | it will be 32 nodes | 21:40 |
| janders | (most likely) | 21:40 |
| oneswig | janders: did you end up using Secure Host? | 21:40 |
| janders | and then we'll be looking at a larger system, possibly an order of magnitude larger than that | 21:41 |
| janders | oneswig: not yet, but it's on the roadmap - thanks for reminding me to remind Mellanox to send me the firmware | 21:41 |
| janders | we had some concerns about SecureHost on OEM branded HCAs but I'm happy to try it, got a heap of spares | 21:41 |
| janders | if a couple get bricked while testing not a big deal | 21:42 |
| oneswig | janders: indeed - I assume it breaks warranty | 21:42 |
| oneswig | Do you have firmware for CX5? | 21:42 |
| janders | no, SH FW is CX3 only at this stage AFAIK | 21:42 |
| janders | ancient, I know | 21:42 |
| janders | this doesn't worry me as most of my current kit is CX3, however this will change soon so I hope to work this out with mlnx | 21:43 |
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| oneswig | keep up the good fight :-) | 21:43 |
| janders | I will :) | 21:43 |
| janders | another update that you might be interested in is on running nova-compute in ironic instances | 21:44 |
| janders | it works pretty well | 21:44 |
| oneswig | janders: what's that? | 21:44 |
| janders | my current deployment got pretty badly affected by the GUID case mismatch issue, but other than that it *just works* | 21:44 |
| janders | I figured that if I have ironic/SDN capability, there is no point in deploying "static", nominated nova-compute nodes | 21:45 |
| janders | better make everything ironic controlled - and deploy as many as needed at a given point in time | 21:45 |
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| janders | if no longer needed - just delete and reuse the hardware, possibly for a "tenant" baremetal instance | 21:46 |
| oneswig | So you're running nova hypervisors within your Ironic compute instances? | 21:46 |
| janders | correct | 21:46 |
| oneswig | That's awesome! | 21:46 |
| janders | networking needs some careful thought, but when done well it's pretty cool | 21:47 |
| janders | there will be a talk proposal submitted on this with a vendor, should be coming in in very soon | 21:47 |
| oneswig | How does that even work - you won't get multi-tenant network access? | 21:47 |
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| janders | with or without SRIOV? | 21:48 |
| janders | both work, but the implementation is very different | 21:48 |
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| oneswig | If your Ironic node is attached to a tenant network, how does it become a generalised hypervisor? | 21:48 |
| janders | are you familiar with Red Hat / tripleo "standard" OpenStack networking (provisioning, internalapi, ...)? | 21:49 |
| oneswig | sure | 21:49 |
| janders | I define internalapi network as a tenant network | 21:50 |
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| janders | same with externalapi (which is router-external) | 21:50 |
| janders | then, I boot the ironic nodes meant to be nova-compute on internalapi network | 21:50 |
| janders | this way they talk to controllers | 21:50 |
| janders | the router allows them to hit external API endpoints, too | 21:50 |
| janders | and - in case of non-SRIOV we can run vxlan over internalapi too (though this is work in progress, I've got SRIOV implementation going for now) | 21:51 |
| oneswig | I guess you're not using mutli-tenant Ironic networking, otherwise you wouldn't be seeing other networks (genuine tenant networks) to your new hypervisor, right? | 21:51 |
| oneswig | Or are all tenant networks VXLAN? | 21:52 |
| janders | CX3 SRIOV implementation uses pkey mapping | 21:52 |
| janders | there's the "real" pkey table and then each vf has it's own virtual one | 21:52 |
| janders | this seems to work well without need for pkey trunking | 21:53 |
| janders | so - now that you asked me I will test this more thoroughly but I did have it working with VMs in multiple tenant networks | 21:53 |
| oneswig | sounds promising, keep us updated! | 21:53 |
| janders | there might be some extra work required for CX4 and above, but it is doable | 21:54 |
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| janders | I will :) I will test this again more thoroughly and happy to drop you an email with results if you like? | 21:54 |
| oneswig | yes please janders, this is very interesting | 21:56 |
| janders | will do! | 21:56 |
| oneswig | OK we are nearly at the hour, anything else to add? | 21:56 |
| janders | just to finish off I will quickly jump to my opening question | 21:56 |
| janders | 1) CSIRO baremetal cloud project report 2) Cloudifying NVIDIA DGX1 or 3) dual-fabric (Mellanox Ethernet+IB) OpenStack ? | 21:56 |
| janders | which one do you think will get the most interest (and hence best chances of getting into the Summit)? | 21:56 |
| janders | with 1) I might have even more interesting content for Denver timeframe | 21:57 |
| janders | but it's doable for Berlin, too | 21:57 |
| oneswig | Number 2 - I think there is strong competition for this. It might be interesting to do the side-by-side bake-off hinted at by 3 | 21:58 |
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| oneswig | (just my personal view, mind) | 21:58 |
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| oneswig | No harm in submitting all options! | 21:59 |
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| janders | thanks Stig! :) | 21:59 |
| oneswig | OK, we are out of time | 21:59 |
| janders | I already have one in, so limited to 2 | 21:59 |
| oneswig | thanks all | 21:59 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
| janders | allright - thanks and speak next week | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 10 21:59:35 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-07-10-20.59.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-07-10-20.59.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-07-10-20.59.log.html | 21:59 |
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| oneswig | Evening all - until next time | 22:00 |
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| martial_ | Thanks & bye | 22:02 |
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