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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 02:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jun 29 02:30:10 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: congressteammeeting)" | 02:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 02:30 |
| ekcs | hello all! happy friday. | 02:30 |
| ekcs | topics kept here as usual. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 02:30 |
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| akhil_jain | ekcs: Hello! | 02:31 |
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| ekcs | hello akhil_jain ! | 02:31 |
| ekcs | let’s start with a couple quick announcements. | 02:32 |
| ekcs | #topic announcements | 02:32 |
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| ekcs | deadline to nominate extra-ATC is coming up in a week or so. https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html#r-extra-atcs | 02:33 |
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| ekcs | so if you are aware of anyone who should be an ATC but didn’t merge patch, please let me know soon. | 02:33 |
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| ekcs | another reminder is that rocky-3 milestone and feature freeze is in the week of Jul 23. https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html#r-ff | 02:34 |
| ekcs | it’s good to allow time to review and merge patches before the deadline. please keep that in mind in planning =) | 02:36 |
| ekcs | same week is the final release deadline for client libraries. so any changes to congress client must be merged before then. | 02:37 |
| ekcs | any other announcements? | 02:39 |
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| ekcs | ok great let’s move on then. | 02:44 |
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| ekcs | #topic patches | 02:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "patches (Meeting topic: congressteammeeting)" | 02:45 | |
| ekcs | just want to bring to attention a few patches that may be ready to merge. | 02:45 |
| ekcs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562089/ | 02:45 |
| ekcs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/569280/ | 02:45 |
| ekcs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/567075/ | 02:45 |
| ekcs | are there any other patches to bring up or discuss? | 02:45 |
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| ekcs | cool I don’t have any other topics for today. let’s end meeting then unless someone else has more to talk about! | 02:50 |
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| akhil_jain | ekcs: i will go through these patches | 02:52 |
| ekcs | cool thanks akhil_jain ! | 02:53 |
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| akhil_jain | Sure! ekcs | 02:55 |
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| ekcs | great let’s end then if there’s nothing else for today =) | 02:55 |
| ekcs | have a great weekend! | 02:55 |
| akhil_jain | Happy weekend. Bye! | 02:56 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 02:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jun 29 02:56:19 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-06-29-02.30.html | 02:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-06-29-02.30.txt | 02:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-06-29-02.30.log.html | 02:56 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jun 29 15:00:03 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | Ping list: dhellmann, dims, fungi, tonyb, lbragstad, ttx, armstrong, annabelleB | 15:00 |
| annabelleB | o/ | 15:00 |
| fungi | heyhowdy | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:00 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-relmgt-tracking Agenda | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Made it back already? | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I was being overly cautious | 15:01 |
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| smcginnis | Reasonable when it comes to those things. ;) | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | #topic Tempest plugin deliverables | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest plugin deliverables (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:01 | |
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| dhellmann | one never knows | 15:01 |
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| smcginnis | There has been the ML discussion started by gmann on tagging the tempest plugins. | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann has posted a patch adding deliverable files for that | 15:02 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/578141/ | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-June/131810.html | 15:02 |
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| ttx | I think it merged ? | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | I wanted to bring up here in case anything further was brought up on that thread, but I think questions have been answered. | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | Yes, that's merged, and I think I saw another patch adding one that was missed last night. | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | So probably not too much to talk about. | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | ah, yes, ec2-api | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | The one question I thought of that I didn't think we would want to add on the ML thread was deadlines. | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | I see someone added a note to the etherpad about forcing tags, but my question was actually slightly different. | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | We have the non-client lib freeze, which these kinda sorta are but not really. | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | So what should be our deadline for them. The final release? | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | I could see neeing to make test modifications up until the end. | 15:05 |
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| dhellmann | we should also talk about whether it's too late to add ec2-api to rocky | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | I added the note to the etherpad about forcing | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | I expect we want to leave the test libraries to the RC1 point as a final deadline, since projects may be adding tests up to that time | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | Was the ec2-api patch adding more than just the tempest plugin? I haven't had a chance to look at it yet. | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | yeah, it adds ec2-api as a cycle-with-milestone project | 15:06 |
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| smcginnis | We are past milestone 2, so I would say no on that one. | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | At least that has been our policy. | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | it has, yeah | 15:07 |
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| dhellmann | so my suggestion for a deadline is the rc1 branch point, and we tag and branch at the same time | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | we can tag before and after, of course, but that's the point where we *need* a tag | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | Have they been doing their own releases so far? I don't see any deliverables ever from them. | 15:08 |
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| dhellmann | they had been. they haven't released off of master in quite a while | 15:08 |
| armstrong | @dhellmann: was the ex2-api added in the Queen release? | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | they're not really following standard practices, so I expect we'll need to work with them some | 15:08 |
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| dhellmann | armstrong : we do not have any data for them in the openstack/releases repo at all | 15:09 |
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| dhellmann | they do have tags and some branches, so they've been releasing, just not using our processes | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | #info Tempest plugins will have a release deadline of RC1 at which point release team will force a tag and branch if not requested by project. | 15:09 |
| armstrong | Ok I see | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | stable/queens looks like it has 6.0.0 as a version but master has 3.0.0 | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | so my guess is they are branching and then releasing, instead of the other way around | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | Should we suggest independent for ec2-api for now, then pick them up in stein? Or recommend they do what they have been doing and start with stein-1? | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | I think ttx fixed their ACLs so we're going to have to do something for them | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | Ah | 15:11 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I don't see any tagging permissions in gerrit/acls/openstack/ec2-api.config | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | And looks like they came under governance three years ago. | 15:12 |
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| dhellmann | they've always been a bit of an outlier | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | Extracted from nova: https://github.com/openstack/governance/commit/2d44cc04f69f8168b052d59fbfd1d5ba2a40ce53 | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | So we either need to do independent for now, or allow them to be part of the cycle even though they've missed two milestones. | 15:13 |
| ttx | or drop it | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | True | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure why they want the milestone release model, the only milestone tag they have is 0.1.0-rc1 | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | I would think the service would be tied to a given release though. | 15:14 |
| * smcginnis doesn't actually know much about ec2-api though | 15:14 | |
| dhellmann | I guess? | 15:14 |
| ttx | Was the healthcheck done ? | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | not yet | 15:14 |
| ttx | We could ask whoever is assigned to them to prioritize up | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | TheJulia and cmurphy are signed up for that | 15:14 |
| smcginnis | I don't see it. | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_health_tracker#Oslo | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | #undo | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_health_tracker | 15:15 |
| ttx | Like I'd like to know how functional it is and if it has users, before putting any effort on it | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | I'll contact TheJulia and cmurphy | 15:15 |
| ttx | It's sufficiently peripheral that it's an easy cleanup | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | ACtivity so far this cycle looks to be mostly "administrative" changes, but there are a couple functional changes. | 15:16 |
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| smcginnis | Let's hold on this for now. I don't think we can make any decisions in this meeting for the project. | 15:18 |
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| smcginnis | I think it will require a little investigation first. | 15:18 |
| ttx | also how current it is with Amazon's API | 15:22 |
| ttx | I just have no idea :) | 15:22 |
| fungi | i've always wondered that | 15:22 |
| fungi | same for the s3 compat layer | 15:22 |
| ttx | I remember when I worked on Eucalyptus, keeping up with AWS API was kind of a challenge :) | 15:22 |
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| smcginnis | Given the activity there, I would assume it is not current with the upstream API. | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | OK, let's defer that conversation until later. | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis , ttx : would one of you record our questions about the team as concerns in the health check wiki page? | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: I can do that. | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | thanks | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | I also put my name down as a follow up task in our etherpad. | 15:22 |
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| smcginnis | And to make it easier for folks to get to the actual output - http://logs.openstack.org/94/575794/1/check/build-openstack-sphinx-docs/b522825/html/stein/schedule.html | 15:23 |
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| dhellmann | I sent email to TheJulia and cmurphy, cc-ing smcginnis | 15:24 |
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| smcginnis | ack | 15:24 |
| TheJulia | ack, I've not seen it yet but I'll go look | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | TheJulia : thanks | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | TheJulia: Thanks | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | have we had any feedback about the schedule from outside the team? | 15:26 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Any updates on the schedule planning from your end? Otherwise I don't really have much to add other than making sure folks saw the patch to take a look at what it might look like. | 15:26 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Nothing that I've heard. | 15:26 |
| smcginnis | From a couple conversations, folks are just waiting to see what is decided I think. | 15:27 |
| smcginnis | Or for a more specific proposal to the ML. | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | was there a ML thread? yeah -- I couldn't remember | 15:27 |
| ttx | it's more and more likely that the event will happen in Denver in Spring | 15:27 |
| ttx | (PTG) | 15:27 |
| smcginnis | All Denver, all the time. | 15:28 |
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| smcginnis | Works great for me. :) | 15:28 |
| ttx | I heard that the venue supports us running the PTG on the Saturday | 15:28 |
| fungi | no matter where you go, you're always in denver | 15:28 |
| ttx | Nothing signed, but things looking good on that side | 15:28 |
| ttx | so doing 3+3 days | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | Oh great, the question of back to back or overlap was one of the important things in my mind. | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | should we start asking people to check the deadlines against their favorite holidays? | 15:29 |
| ttx | I like that it stresses that the events are separate | 15:29 |
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| smcginnis | ++ | 15:29 |
| ttx | yes, I think we can float it | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | What's the next step. Mailing list post? | 15:29 |
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| smcginnis | I think that would need to come from you ttx ^ | 15:29 |
| ttx | maybe mention it in the weekly post ? | 15:29 |
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| smcginnis | Yeah, I'll add it to the next one. | 15:30 |
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| ttx | We'll do a sepaarte post once we are ready to commit | 15:30 |
| ttx | hopefully two weeks from now | 15:30 |
| smcginnis | I think it might be good to have its own thread before then to vet it? | 15:30 |
| ttx | your call | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | the final date is tied to the event, but we can adjust the deadlines in the middle of the cycle | 15:31 |
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| ttx | i can do a thread next week if you prefer | 15:32 |
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| ttx | But i fear that will turn into a PTG love/hate discussion | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | OK, I'll add it to the countdown. We'll see if that gets enough attention | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | ttx: That is a very valid concern. | 15:32 |
| ttx | befroe we are 100% sure that will happen | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | ttx: I'll put something in the countdown draft and probably ask you to take a look and make sure it's OK. | 15:33 |
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| ttx | ++ | 15:33 |
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| armstrong | The PTG is happening in September right? | 15:33 |
| ttx | Oh yes, we are talking about the one in Spring 2019 | 15:33 |
| ttx | to define teh Stein cycle | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | armstrong: Normally it would be late February like Dublin was, but with changing the events we would change the cycle duration to align with it. | 15:34 |
| annabelleB | I mean, we have to commit to a cycle schedule, ptg future unknown, so cycle comments only! :) | 15:34 |
| armstrong | @ttx ok I got it now | 15:34 |
| armstrong | @ttx: thanks, will kept that in mind | 15:35 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 15:36 |
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| smcginnis | That's all I had on the agenda. | 15:36 |
| smcginnis | Anything else we should cover? | 15:36 |
| fungi | release-tools retirement changes are up for review | 15:36 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:retire-release-tools | 15:36 |
| smcginnis | annabelleB: Need anything from me for adding release highlights info? | 15:36 |
| smcginnis | fungi: ++ | 15:36 |
| smcginnis | Thanks | 15:36 |
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| annabelleB | smcginnis: haven’t gotten to that draft yet, but on my list for today or first part of next week | 15:37 |
| fungi | the project-config and governance changes will need your +1 smcginnis | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | annabelleB: Great, just ping me if you need anything I can help with. | 15:37 |
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| annabelleB | will do! thanks! | 15:37 |
| fungi | also a draft announcement to the dev ml is available if someone wants to fact-check it before i send: | 15:37 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/release-tools-retirement | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | fungi: I got one of them, but will make sure I track them all down. | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | fungi : email lgtm | 15:38 |
| fungi | thanks! i'll fire it off after the meeting | 15:39 |
| cmurphy | I can start reaching out to ec2-api on monday unless TheJulia wants to get to it first | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | cmurphy : thanks! | 15:40 |
| smcginnis | Just a reminder, I will be on vacation in two weeks and might try not to bring my laptop. | 15:40 |
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| ttx | ++ | 15:40 |
| TheJulia | The earliest I would be able to is monday as well | 15:40 |
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| dhellmann | annabelleB : my notes from our review training session finally made it into the docs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/579019/ | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : I recommend not bringing it :-) | 15:40 |
| smcginnis | cmurphy, TheJulia: Thanks for doing that. | 15:40 |
| annabelleB | dhellmann: I’ll check that out! | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: It might be hard to do, but I'm going to try. ;) | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : I don't even like to bring a tablet with me any more. The fewer screens on vacation, the better I do | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | I'm getting to the point where that sounds like very good advice. | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | OK, anything else today? | 15:42 |
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| smcginnis | Alrighty then, thanks everyone. | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:42 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 15:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jun 29 15:42:58 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-06-29-15.00.html | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-06-29-15.00.txt | 15:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-06-29-15.00.log.html | 15:43 |
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