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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 02:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jun 15 02:34:32 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:34 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: congressteammeeting)" | 02:34 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 02:34 |
| ekcs | hi all sorry i’m a few minutes late. | 02:34 |
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| masahito | ekcs: hello | 02:34 |
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| akhil_jain_ | ekcs: hi | 02:35 |
| ekcs | hello masahito ! | 02:35 |
| ekcs | hello akhil_jain_ ! | 02:35 |
| akhil_jain_ | masahito: hello! | 02:35 |
| ekcs | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 02:35 |
| masahito | akhil_jain_: hello! | 02:36 |
| ekcs | i don’t have any big topics for today. but feel free to add your own! | 02:36 |
| masahito | one question for the next PTG. | 02:37 |
| ekcs | yup | 02:37 |
| masahito | Do you plan to have meeting at the next PTG? | 02:38 |
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| masahito | I'm thinking of travel schedule, budget, and etc. | 02:38 |
| masahito | Just wanted to know your plan. | 02:38 |
| ekcs | ah thanks for bringing that up. I wasn’t planning to have official congress sessions. but we can definitely do it if there is interest. | 02:39 |
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| ekcs | I will be there. | 02:39 |
| masahito | got it. | 02:40 |
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| ekcs | i will be there to talk to other teams too. and so also available to connect. | 02:40 |
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| ekcs | akhil_jain_: do you have any plans for ptg? | 02:41 |
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| akhil_jain_ | not yet. i will have to confirm it from my company first then let you know | 02:42 |
| ekcs | great! | 02:42 |
| akhil_jain_ | i really want some face to face interaction with congress team though | 02:42 |
| ekcs | yup that would be great! | 02:43 |
| ekcs | so let me just give a quick update on my stuff. | 02:44 |
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| ekcs | finally finished this spec. I think it’s basically ready to merge. depending on what further comments I get. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/563799/ | 02:45 |
| patchbot | patch 563799 - congress-specs - Explicit Data Types | 02:45 |
| ekcs | vitrage webhook driver going well. I think we have something close to final there: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/567075/ | 02:45 |
| patchbot | patch 567075 - congress - vitrage driver for accepting webhook notifications | 02:45 |
| ekcs | really appreciate your help there akhil_jain_ ! | 02:45 |
| akhil_jain_ | ya i continuously go through it | 02:46 |
| ekcs | and also started working on implementing data source driver actions that convert string to json structure. like what masahito suggested in a previous meeting. | 02:46 |
| ekcs | just a quick update from me. | 02:46 |
| ekcs | is there anything else we’d like to talk about today? | 02:47 |
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| masahito | nothing from my side. | 02:50 |
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| akhil_jain_ | nothing from my side too | 02:50 |
| ekcs | alright then! talk to you all later. | 02:51 |
| ekcs | happy friday! | 02:51 |
| akhil_jain_ | Happy Weekend! Bye! | 02:51 |
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| ekcs | bye! | 02:52 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 02:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jun 15 02:52:12 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-06-15-02.34.html | 02:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-06-15-02.34.txt | 02:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-06-15-02.34.log.html | 02:52 |
| masahito | bye | 02:52 |
| ekcs | bye masahito | 02:53 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jun 15 14:00:11 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
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| mlavalle | Hi yamamoto | 14:00 |
| manjeet | hello neutrinos | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | hi manjeet | 14:01 |
| manjeet | hi mlavalle how's texas | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | super Hot | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | I've been in Portland in June | 14:03 |
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| mlavalle | and I know it is really nice | 14:03 |
| manjeet | oh yea it is | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | you follow the World Cup? | 14:04 |
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| manjeet | yea lionel messi | 14:04 |
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| mlavalle | so you root for Argentina? | 14:04 |
| manjeet | yup | 14:05 |
| mlavalle | I'm not a big sports fan in general, but I follow a big event like this | 14:06 |
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| mlavalle | of course I root for Mexico | 14:06 |
| mlavalle | and after they are gone, Brazil | 14:06 |
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| mlavalle | hey tidwellr | 14:06 |
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| tidwellr | hey | 14:07 |
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| mlavalle | did you see my comment in the RFE? | 14:07 |
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| tidwellr | just pulled up to my desk, so no :) | 14:07 |
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| mlavalle | LOL | 14:07 |
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| tidwellr | just reading over comments now | 14:08 |
| mlavalle | tidwellr: I makes sense to me. So I tageed it to be discussed today in the drivers meeting | 14:08 |
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| mlavalle | manjeet: we are talking about the RFE you reported in your bugs deputy message | 14:08 |
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| manjeet | DVR aware announcement ? | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 14:10 |
| haleyb | sorry, i was not paying attention | 14:10 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: welcome | 14:10 |
| haleyb | but dvr woke me u | 14:10 |
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| haleyb | gooooooooooal :) | 14:10 |
| mlavalle | you follow the Wrold Cup? | 14:11 |
| haleyb | i'll watch some games, maybe not as many without the US in it :( | 14:12 |
| mlavalle | we don't have quorum | 14:12 |
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| mlavalle | let's wait a few more minutes. maybe yamamoto and amotoki are watching the World Cup | 14:13 |
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| mlavalle | Yesterday I had a conversation with slaweq about the World Cup. He is really following his team very closely. Now that I know that you all like soccer, haleyb manjeet and slaweq, I am going to try to put an article a read in the Economist magazine in an email and send it to you all. They compare soccer to art | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | it was fun | 14:15 |
| haleyb | with the great players the footwork is like art | 14:16 |
| manjeet | absolutely | 14:16 |
| mlavalle | haleyb, manjeet: good, you will enjoy the article, then | 14:16 |
| manjeet | :) | 14:16 |
| manjeet | thanks ! | 14:17 |
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| haleyb | tidwellr: hey, how is Target treating you? | 14:17 |
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| tidwellr | haleyb: busy | 14:17 |
| tidwellr | a lot of fun too | 14:17 |
| haleyb | tidwellr: cool. i think i saw a bug/rfe update from you recently? :) | 14:18 |
| tidwellr | yes, the DVR thing that grabbed your attention away from soccer :) | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | manjeet, haleyb: it doesn't seem we will have quorum today. But one of the RFEs I was going to bring up is tidwellr's: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1775250 | 14:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1775250 in neutron "Implement DVR-aware announcement of fixed IP's in neutron-dynamic-routing" [Wishlist,New] | 14:18 |
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| mlavalle | take a look at it and we will be better prepared to discuss it next week | 14:19 |
| haleyb | i'll put it in my queue, when i have a moment free from fighting fires i'll take a look... | 14:20 |
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| tidwellr | mlavalle: thanks for taking a look over that RFE | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | haleyb, manjeet, tidwellr: enjoy the weekend! | 14:21 |
| manjeet | would it require change in neutron ? from comments i feel like is mostly neutron_dynamic_routing ? | 14:21 |
| tidwellr | manjeet: yes, the changes are isolated to neutron-dynamic-routing | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | tidwellr: and you enjoy the warm weather, while it lasts. Here in Texas we have way more than we want ;-) | 14:22 |
| tidwellr | manjeet: assuming all the proper events are generated for port updates... | 14:22 |
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| tidwellr | malavalle: warm is relative in Minnesota :) | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | but even if they are not, changes to Neutron would be minimal. Just add some notifications, right? | 14:23 |
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| manjeet | tidwellr, neutron side may need a patch in case events are not proper for port_updates | 14:23 |
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| tidwellr | correct | 14:23 |
| tidwellr | but as far as I can tell everything needed from neutron proper is there | 14:23 |
| manjeet | ok thanks ! | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | cool! | 14:23 |
| manjeet | neutron is great | 14:23 |
| manjeet | lol | 14:23 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: we are finally getting the warm weather tomorrow, into the 80s and 90s for a few days, it's been like fall up until now | 14:23 |
| tidwellr | go neutron! | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | thanks for bringing this code over, tidwellr ! | 14:24 |
| tidwellr | sue thing | 14:24 |
| manjeet | haleyb, where are you based at ? | 14:24 |
| tidwellr | sure thing | 14:24 |
| mlavalle | you too enjoy it while it lasts | 14:24 |
| haleyb | manjeet: boston area | 14:24 |
| mlavalle | manjeet: he is Westford, MA | 14:24 |
| dmellado_ | haleyb: hope you'd be as happy when it gets to 100 | 14:24 |
| dmellado_ | xD | 14:24 |
| manjeet | ok, cool ! | 14:24 |
| mlavalle | dmellado_: hey Danny | 14:25 |
| dmellado_ | mlavalle: o/ | 14:25 |
| dmellado_ | hey there! | 14:25 |
| haleyb | dmellado_: it will be close on Monday, i'll be at the ice cream stand :) | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | LOL | 14:25 |
| dmellado_ | haleyb: wow, I thought boston was where you really say 'winter is coming' | 14:25 |
| dmellado_ | xD | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | dmellado_: good lock with Hierro | 14:25 |
| dmellado_ | mlavalle: lol | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | luck^^^ | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | what a surprise | 14:26 |
| dmellado_ | tbh I bet we'll lose for real this time | 14:26 |
| dmellado_ | xD | 14:26 |
| dmellado_ | with all that stuff going on | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | Spain's team is always close to my heart, so I hope they do well | 14:27 |
| dmellado_ | well, at least we're demanding CR to pay arond 19 million Euro as per his fraud tax xD | 14:27 |
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| mlavalle | we'll see how it goes today with Los Lusitanos | 14:27 |
| dmellado_ | heh xD | 14:27 |
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| mlavalle | ok guys, I'm going to close the meeting | 14:27 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 14:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jun 15 14:27:58 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-06-15-14.00.html | 14:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-06-15-14.00.txt | 14:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-06-15-14.00.log.html | 14:28 |
| manjeet | thanks ! | 14:28 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jun 15 15:00:29 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | Ping list: dhellmann, dims, fungi, tonyb, lbragstad, ttx, armstrong, annabelleB | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-relmgt-tracking Agenda | 15:00 |
| fungi | wow, already | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | Time flies. | 15:01 |
| fungi | this morning is just zipping by | 15:01 |
| armstrong | Hello | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | It's still 2017, right? | 15:01 |
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| ttx | o/ | 15:01 |
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| smcginnis | I'll just give dhellmann a minute, then get going. | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | Yay | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | #topic Stein release schedule options | 15:03 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://www.dropbox.com/s/u93fheyvhu6bjeu/Stein.pdf?dl=0 | 15:03 |
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| ttx | alright... | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Is it safe to say the Stein schedule definitely will change, or is this still exploratory? | 15:03 |
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| ttx | still exploratory, I want it in our backpocket when we conmfirm that PTG and Summit will be co-located in April | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | The main goal being to realign the development cycle with the events? | 15:04 |
| ttx | main goal being to keep the PTG around the start of the cycle | 15:04 |
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| smcginnis | In other words, if we change Stein, T would end up back at six months. | 15:05 |
| ttx | yes | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks. Just wanted to clarify that background. | 15:05 |
| ttx | ± 1 month like it always has | 15:05 |
| ttx | So last week you asked me to map R+4 options | 15:06 |
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| ttx | The main difficulty there is to place milaestone 2 | 15:06 |
| ttx | due to end-of-year holidays | 15:06 |
| ttx | te other things line up nicely | 15:06 |
| ttx | like s1 just before berlin | 15:06 |
| ttx | and Chinese new year away from any milestones | 15:06 |
| ttx | so, looking at the number at the rightmost column | 15:07 |
| ttx | Option 1 | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | I was wondering if we really want milestones to fall right before an event. | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | maybe the first milestone isn't bad | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | people tend to take pto the week before or after the conferences | 15:07 |
| ttx | It's not too bad. makes for a long t3 period | 15:07 |
| ttx | Option 2 is nmore balanced but places t-2 on christmas week | 15:08 |
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| ttx | Option 3 is also nalanced but just after holiday break for t3 might be suboptimal | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | I'd prefer m-2 to be after the new year, so 4 or below. | 15:09 |
| ttx | Option 4 is unbalanced, option 5 is better | 15:09 |
| ttx | Option 5 is well-balanced, although it places PTG at R+3 instead of R+4, so long cycle | 15:09 |
| ttx | Option 6 and 7 are less good than option 5 | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | Also thinking ahead to when we contract and the U release. | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | I was thinking 8, 11, 8 as a variation of option 5 | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | but that first milestone isn't such a big deal so, meh | 15:10 |
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| smcginnis | Yeah, m1 really ends up being kind of checkpoint. | 15:10 |
| ttx | yeah that's doable too | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | do we still have teams doing spec review deadlines then? | 15:10 |
| ttx | dhellmann: to avoid the week before summit ? | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 15:10 |
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| ttx | makes for a long m2 period, but then it has a lot going on | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | we have lots of spec deadlines for the first milestone, so maybe that extra week is better than worrying about travel before the summit | 15:11 |
| ttx | Thanksgiving, Christmas, and Berlin Summit | 15:11 |
| ttx | Let me update | 15:11 |
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| smcginnis | elbragstad: Keystone is one of the projects that does spec freeze at milestone 1. Would a shorter m1 period for Stein be a big concern for you? | 15:13 |
| ttx | reload for 5b | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if project teams would just move the review deadline, since m2 is longer | 15:13 |
| ttx | That would make a 7.5-month cycle | 15:13 |
| elbragstad | we do specification proposal freeze at m1 | 15:13 |
| fungi | keystone has a litany of different kinds of freezes on the schedule | 15:13 |
| elbragstad | fungi: ++ | 15:13 |
| ttx | So longer, but not really longer than some winter cycles we did in the past | 15:14 |
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| elbragstad | the main purpose is just to encourage people to get their specs proposed sooner rather than later | 15:14 |
| elbragstad | but our specification freeze is actually m2 | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | so it's a proposal deadline, not an approval deadline? | 15:14 |
| ttx | I'm good with 5b | 15:14 |
| elbragstad | dhellmann: correct | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:14 |
| smcginnis | I kind of like 5b. | 15:14 |
| elbragstad | i don't think a change in m1 would effect it all that much | 15:14 |
| smcginnis | The longer m1 to m2 period might actually be kind of nice. | 15:14 |
| ttx | R+3 gives a bit of time to prepare, while not eating too much | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | when would elections fall on this schedule? | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | elbragstad: Yeah, it would still be 8 weeks, so I would think plenty of time to propose a spec. | 15:15 |
| ttx | We did R+3 before too, so it's not revolutionary | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | TC elections, that is | 15:15 |
| ttx | hmm, I think they are still tied to summits | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | Right around release time, right? | 15:15 |
| ttx | We'd be back to running them at the same time as PTL | 15:16 |
| ttx | like just after | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | Maybe that would be good too. More awareness of election activities? | 15:16 |
| ttx | but we can adjust atht | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | where do we have that schedule written down? it's not in the charter | 15:16 |
| ttx | We traditionally ran TC election after PTL elections so that people know if they are elected to one before they apply to the other | 15:16 |
| ttx | It's in the charter | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | oh, it is | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | S-6 | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | week of march 21? | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | which is also the R-3 deadline for PTL elections | 15:18 |
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| dhellmann | maybe that means we just run those at the same time again like we used to | 15:19 |
| fungi | the election officials have gotten accustomed to more of a break between them, but can adapt again | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Things have gotten a little "easier" running those elections now too, right? | 15:20 |
| ttx | Did we used to run them at the same time ? | 15:20 |
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| ttx | I think we used to run them in sequence | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | oh, yeah, one after the other is what I meant | 15:20 |
| fungi | we did just finish merging changes to the election tooling to properly separate the ptl and tc election processes, but moving them back to the same timedframe doesn't imply that we should recombine our processes for them i don't think | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | Together.. but separate. :) | 15:20 |
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| ttx | anyway, that's not really a release schedule question, more of a consequence to place release and summit closer togther | 15:21 |
| ttx | smcginnis: OK, let's keep 5b in our backpocket | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'm just looking at other sorts of fallout | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | I'm ok with either 5 or 5b with a slight preference for 5b | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | Same here really. | 15:22 |
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| fungi | additional automation has made elections easier, but the upshot is that we end up spending the additional time engaging with the community more to track down missing candidates, drive debate, send reminders and so on | 15:22 |
| ttx | Who is up to propose a release schedule for review ? We can Workflow-1 it | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | I can do that. | 15:22 |
| ttx | that way we have something ready for when the confirmation of co-location comes | 15:23 |
| ttx | and can roll fast | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Any progress that can be shared on that co-location front? | 15:24 |
| ttx | IYou prefer 5/5b to 1 ? | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | I would rather see the milestone after the end of year holidays are over. | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | Personally | 15:24 |
| ttx | smcginnis: still discussing with venue for a one-day extension so that we can avoid the overlap | 15:25 |
| * elbragstad likes that m2 in 5b is long | 15:25 | |
| ttx | smcginnis: ++ | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | OK, great. I will be happy if we can not have overlap there. | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | elbragstad: Me too. | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | Anything more on the Stein schedule topic? | 15:26 |
| smcginnis | #topic Release-tools status | 15:26 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/574495/ Issue with py3 and one of the tools | 15:27 |
| patchbot | patch 574495 - openstack-infra/release-tools - fix tox python3 overrides | 15:27 |
| ttx | right so there was this review that showed that release-tools is not passing pep8 anynore | 15:27 |
| ttx | I mean, under python 3 | 15:27 |
| smcginnis | Looks like it would be an easy fix if we want to do that. I don't see anything actually comparing that object on first glance. | 15:27 |
| ttx | It's an easy fix, but is it a needed fix | 15:27 |
| ttx | Like, do we need release-tools at this point | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | I don't know who uses those tool scripts any more | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | nothing in the release automation uses them | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | I don't think we use that particular script anywhere anymore. | 15:28 |
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| smcginnis | And with moving things to sb... | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | but some other folks seem to use the bug management scripts | 15:28 |
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| ttx | Feels like we should move them to some attic | 15:28 |
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| ttx | rather than cargocult their maintenance | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | I've borrowed snippets from some of these in the past, but that would be fine to do grabbing from the attic. | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | we could attic the whole repo | 15:29 |
| ttx | sure, it;s good example code | 15:29 |
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| smcginnis | I'm all for reducing legacy burdens. | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | we probably want to announce that in case we have ptls using the scripts | 15:30 |
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| smcginnis | Is anything in there used by release automation anymore? Or is that all duplicated? Or at least the necessary things duplicated. | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | none of the automation uses that repo any more | 15:30 |
| ttx | well, we are about to find out | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | the scripts we use are all in project-config | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | or in openstack/releases itself | 15:31 |
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| ttx | should all be | 15:31 |
| ttx | basically if we keep on using one of them, we should move it | 15:32 |
| ttx | the rest can be atticced | 15:32 |
| fungi | where did the lp integration move to? i was starting on the task to add equivalent sb notification and was looking in the release-tools repo but i guess i should have been starting with job configuration? | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | right, I did that a few cycles back | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | That's what I thought. Would be good to attic it then to at least avoid confusion. | 15:32 |
| fungi | ahh, project-config. thanks | 15:32 |
| ttx | smcginnis: hence me raising that topic for the meeting | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | fungi : yeah, that's in a role in project-config | 15:32 |
| fungi | s/attic/retire/ | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | fungi : roles/copy-release-tools-scripts/files/ | 15:32 |
| ttx | any volunteer in atticcing ? I don't have experience doing that | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | Me neither. | 15:33 |
| fungi | thanks dhellmann! | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | there are instructions for retiring a repo somewhere | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Maybe an infra question then. How does one get to the attic? :) | 15:33 |
| fungi | #link https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/drivers.html#retiring-a-project Retiring a Project | 15:33 |
| fungi | i can do the retirement steps if required | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | But we don't want to retire it, just move it, right? | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/drivers.html#retiring-a-project | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | oh, thanks fungi | 15:34 |
| fungi | er | 15:34 |
| fungi | we _don't_ want to retire it? | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | I suppose either way works. | 15:34 |
| fungi | what good is renaming it? | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I thought retiring took the place of the attic | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | OK, that's good then. | 15:34 |
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| fungi | the retirement process replaced the older less-obvious process we had been sort of pressured into with regards to renaming defunct projects | 15:35 |
| smcginnis | Easy enough to still get to it by looking at HEAD~1 of needed anyway. | 15:35 |
| fungi | right, that was the thought | 15:35 |
| fungi | the typical retirement readme will mention that option | 15:35 |
| smcginnis | OK, then you were volunteering for that fungi? | 15:35 |
| fungi | yup, action me | 15:35 |
| smcginnis | fungi: OK, thanks! | 15:35 |
| fungi | i figure since it tripped me up too, i might as well save others that pain | 15:36 |
| ttx | reordering so that we end with the open-ended topic | 15:36 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Do you mind sending something to the ML to let PTLs know too? | 15:36 |
| fungi | i can do that, sure | 15:36 |
| fungi | it's technically a step outlined in that process anyway | 15:37 |
| fungi | well, it calls itself a "prerequirement" ;) | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:37 |
| fungi | which i don't think is a word | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | :) | 15:37 |
| fungi | probably should more correctly be "prerequisite" | 15:37 |
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| smcginnis | rerequirement | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | Next topic? | 15:38 |
| ttx | yes | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | #link Adding a "release highlights" chapter | 15:38 |
| ttx | Right, so I was reading the release management chapter in the project team guide, and updated it to correspond to current policy. One thing that was missing from it though is a chapter on release highlights. We cover release notes but not highlights. | 15:38 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/release-management.html | 15:38 |
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| smcginnis | I can add that since I did the other part. Unless someone else wants to volunteer? | 15:39 |
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| smcginnis | I guess not. :) | 15:39 |
| ttx | I defer to you as you know it better, Unless annabelleB wants it | 15:39 |
| ttx | but she is DockerConing | 15:39 |
| smcginnis | Oh, delegation! :) | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I wonder if we want to ask Anne to do it | 15:39 |
| smcginnis | That might actually be better written from her perspective on it too. | 15:40 |
| ttx | smcginnis: maybe check with her first | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | collaboration! | 15:40 |
| fungi | she seems to have a vested interest in promoting the highlights process anyway, yeah | 15:40 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, maybe the two of us can tackle it together. I will follow up with her. | 15:40 |
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| * ttx is better at dodging assignments this week. Lesson hard learnt | 15:41 | |
| smcginnis | ;) | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | #topic Stable library discussion continuation | 15:41 |
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| ttx | OK so I started that thread | 15:41 |
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| smcginnis | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-June/131341.html ML thread | 15:41 |
| ttx | There was one plea for model 1 | 15:42 |
| ttx | Otherwise support toward option 2 | 15:42 |
| ttx | One question was raised by zaneb though | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | I don't remember the request for option 1. What was the justification there? | 15:43 |
| ttx | Good questions like always | 15:43 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-June/131422.html | 15:43 |
| smcginnis | I was glad to see Thomas's input as far as downstream distro needs. | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | oh, right | 15:43 |
| ttx | Zane's question was "does the release tooling check that the gate still passes at the time of release, even if it has been months since the last patch merged?" | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I think Michael was only thinking of services there | 15:43 |
| smcginnis | No, it doesn't recheck. | 15:44 |
| ttx | would the bitrot jobs help ? | 15:44 |
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| smcginnis | But would it be any different than releasing just after something did pass gate checks and then something unrelated breaks post-release? | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | do we want to do that? or just look at the date of the last commit being tagged? | 15:45 |
| zaneb | yeah, maybe the release should look at the last periodic job or something | 15:45 |
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| dhellmann | we could easily warn if it has been more than a week or two since the commit being tagged was merged | 15:45 |
| zaneb | I think that only applies to services though. and it isn't a new problem | 15:45 |
| ttx | So the issue here would be the case where a patch lands a couple of days after the branch is created, then nothing until release at the end of the cycle | 15:46 |
| fungi | for that matter, how does having jobs no longer pass between the last commit and the date it's tagged differ from having jobs break on the tagged code a day or a week after the tag is pushed? | 15:46 |
| ttx | could still happen with current policy | 15:46 |
| zaneb | so no reason to hold up any work over that, but it might be something to think about | 15:46 |
| ttx | I don't think that's against model2 really | 15:46 |
| ttx | More of a "talking about low activity, what if" | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | at least with model 2 we have an early indicator, because every time we create a branch we get a patch to update the .gitreview | 15:47 |
| ttx | dhellmann: that is a good point | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | Oh, very good point. | 15:48 |
| ttx | I grew up a strong preference for 2 over 2bis | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | and we don't tag those as releases, so if we do have something to release on the branch ideally it would be newer than that | 15:48 |
| smcginnis | I'm in the 2 camp now as well. | 15:48 |
| ttx | like just the fact that the branch is around for people to work on, without having to ask us... is a great thing | 15:48 |
| ttx | If done in one go, not much added churn | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'm in the "2 or switch to independent" camp | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | so we need to update our process to add those branches, and update the tool that opens a new release cycle to not skip over deliverables that were not released | 15:49 |
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| dhellmann | and we probably want some sort of indicator on the deliverable that we don't expect much activity, so maybe that's a new release model | 15:49 |
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| dhellmann | that way we don't pester teams about libraries that are stable | 15:49 |
| ttx | OK I propose we try out 2. We'll likely see it coming | 15:49 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: do we really need to change the process ? We already craete branches | 15:50 |
| fungi | and as noted before, need some solution to keep us from painting ourselves into a corner with no suitable versions available for a branch | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | we need to do something explicitly with these because there's no existing release in the deliverable file to branch from | 15:51 |
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| ttx | oh I see | 15:51 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : yeah, we should update the release validation to count stable branches backwards until it finds a release | 15:51 |
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| fungi | at a minimum there should be an available minor release number available unique to each branch | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | we already go 1 back in new-release and in the validation code, but we need to make that more general | 15:51 |
| fungi | even if not used | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | exactly | 15:52 |
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| smcginnis | dhellmann: Not to sign you up, but this sounds like something you are best suited to tackle? | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | I can at least describe the problem | 15:53 |
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| dhellmann | I would really like to get to the point where I'm not the only one familiar with this code, though :-) | 15:53 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, definitely. I've dipped my toes, but can do more. | 15:55 |
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| dhellmann | I think I captured all of that | 15:56 |
| smcginnis | With minutes to spare. | 15:56 |
| smcginnis | Anything else for today? | 15:56 |
| ttx | who is taking up the actions on the stable stuff | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | I'll sign up to help but not drive it | 15:57 |
| smcginnis | I've already signed up for two things today, but will probably get to it when I can. Unless some other volunteer steps forward before I do. | 15:58 |
| ttx | ok I can take it | 15:58 |
| smcginnis | \o/ | 15:58 |
| ttx | I think | 15:58 |
| * dhellmann plans a trip to france to pair program with ttx | 15:58 | |
| smcginnis | Oooh, can we do a release team offsite? | 15:58 |
| ttx | might take some time for me to get to it, but it's not super-urgent | 15:58 |
| dhellmann | there's no rush on this, maybe we could spend some time on it together at the ptg | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | although denver is not as nice as france | 15:59 |
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| smcginnis | If it's a 6 day event, we can probably find some time to all get together and crank out some stuff. | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | OK, that's time for today. Thanks everyone. | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | oh, the next one is only 5 days, right? | 15:59 |
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| smcginnis | Oh right, I keep forgetting we get one mroe. | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | *more | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jun 15 16:00:23 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-06-15-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-06-15-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-06-15-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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