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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 02:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jun 1 02:31:43 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:31 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 02:31 |
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| masahito | hi | 02:33 |
| ekcs | hey masahito ! how’s it been? | 02:33 |
| akhil_jain | hi | 02:33 |
| ekcs | hi akhil_jain ! | 02:34 |
| ekcs | keeping the topics here as usual. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 02:34 |
| ekcs | please add your topics if any =) | 02:34 |
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| masahito | ekcs: almost fine. still bit in jetlag :-) haha | 02:35 |
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| ekcs | masahito: haha hope you catch up on sleep soon! | 02:35 |
| ekcs | welcome akhil_jain ! would you like to introduce yourself real quick? | 02:35 |
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| akhil_jain | ekcs: ya that would be great | 02:36 |
| ekcs | = ) | 02:37 |
| akhil_jain | currently working in nec. previously done development in openstack-valence. and looking forward to contribute in congress starting with monasca push driver | 02:38 |
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| ekcs | thanks akhil_jain ! great to be working with you. we’re all pretty friendly and generally eager to talk & help =) | 02:39 |
| ekcs | looking forward to new perspectives you bring with your experience! | 02:40 |
| akhil_jain | ekcs: thanks for warm welcome :) | 02:40 |
| masahito | akhil_jain: welcome and nice to see you! | 02:41 |
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| ekcs | = ) | 02:41 |
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| ekcs | ok let’s get going with the topics then. | 02:41 |
| akhil_jain | thanks Masahito! | 02:41 |
| ekcs | #topic rocky-2 | 02:42 |
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| ekcs | just a quick reminder that rocky-2 is due next week. | 02:42 |
| ekcs | so if there’s any patch we’re trying to get merged we can pay attention to that. | 02:42 |
| ekcs | we may as well take this opportunity to discuss any patches aimed at rocky-2 | 02:45 |
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| ekcs | One patch I’m hoping to merge early in the cycle so that if it causes any problems we’ll also catch it early. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/568400/ | 02:46 |
| ekcs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/568400/ | 02:46 |
| ekcs | it raises the default nova api version requested to 2.26 up from 2.0 so that the nova tags are retrieved by default. | 02:47 |
| ekcs | if 2.0 is still desired it can be specified in driver creation option. | 02:48 |
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| ekcs | thanks for the review there akhil_jain ! I also wanted to see whether masahito you have any comments since I know you have experience on how it affects deployers. | 02:48 |
| masahito | The patch LGTM | 02:49 |
| masahito | +1ed | 02:49 |
| akhil_jain | ekcs: i have tested it on my local env worked fine for me | 02:49 |
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| ekcs | haha awesome. thanks masahito . and great thanks akhil_jain ! | 02:49 |
| masahito | ekcs: When do you plan to cut r-2? | 02:49 |
| masahito | I'll merge it before the day. | 02:50 |
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| masahito | we always updated the api-version at each deployment. It's nice update. | 02:51 |
| ekcs | got it. it’s due 6/7, so maybe i’ll aim to merge by 6/6? | 02:51 |
| ekcs | maybe 6/5 depending. | 02:52 |
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| ekcs | oh got it good to know. masahito do you have other thoughts on whether we want to update default api on other drivers? | 02:52 |
| masahito | We only hit Nova's api version in our case. | 02:53 |
| ekcs | ok got it! | 02:53 |
| ekcs | ok well moving on then if theres’ nothing else about R-2? | 02:54 |
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| ekcs | #topic summit recap | 02:56 |
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| ekcs | ok so just a very quick summit recap. there was a Congress project update where I did a small demo. | 02:57 |
| ekcs | also had very productive discussion with monasca team and ghanshyam on monasca integration. | 02:58 |
| ekcs | self healing SIG went great too where we finally got some good operator feedback. | 02:58 |
| akhil_jain | ekcs: yes i got to know that. my meeting with ghanshyam is pending on that | 02:59 |
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| masahito | That sound nice. | 02:59 |
| ekcs | akhil_jain: awesome! | 02:59 |
| masahito | ekcs: is there a doc or summary of the discussion? | 03:00 |
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| ekcs | also had a conversation with the openstack marketing manager about ways to market congress better. may apply to other projects too. i’m thinking about putting together more demo videos and or creating content for superuser. | 03:01 |
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| ekcs | masahito: summary of monasca integration discussion or summary of self-healing sig discussion? | 03:01 |
| masahito | monasca integration. | 03:01 |
| ekcs | an etherpad is being put together for the monasca integration decisions. | 03:01 |
| ekcs | i’ll link to it when it’s available. | 03:01 |
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| ekcs | but basically the main thing is deciding how to authenticate webhook notification from monasca. right now monasca doesn’t send notification from any openstack user. | 03:02 |
| ekcs | we agreed that we’d add code to monasca notifier to be configured with an openstack user that will send keystone authenticated webhook api call. | 03:03 |
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| ekcs | anything else to add on the summit? | 03:04 |
| ekcs | it was great seeing masahito there too. | 03:04 |
| ekcs | ok well I don’t have any other topics for today. anything else to talk about or should we end early? | 03:08 |
| masahito | Nothing from my side | 03:09 |
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| ekcs | ok then. let’s end and talk next week! | 03:11 |
| ekcs | good catching up all. | 03:11 |
| ekcs | happy weekend! | 03:11 |
| akhil_jain | happy weekend! | 03:11 |
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| masahito | happy weekend! | 03:12 |
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| ekcs | bye all! | 03:13 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 03:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jun 1 03:13:15 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-06-01-02.31.html | 03:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-06-01-02.31.txt | 03:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-06-01-02.31.log.html | 03:13 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jun 1 14:00:07 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:00 |
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| mlavalle | Hi there! | 14:00 |
| manjeet | hi | 14:00 |
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| mlavalle | welcome manjeet | 14:00 |
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| manjeets_wfh | thanks mlavalle | 14:00 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: you around? | 14:03 |
| haleyb | yes, here | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | all right, we have quorum then | 14:03 |
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| mlavalle | #topic RFEs | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:04 | |
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| mlavalle | First RFE for today is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1460177 | 14:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1460177 in neutron "[RFE] Support metadata service with IPv6-only tenant network" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | This is an old RFE, that was accepted a few years ago | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | This week I was contacted by folks in China, asking for this again | 14:05 |
| haleyb | i remember that one | 14:05 |
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| mlavalle | Apparently agencies of the Chinese government soon will start asking for "full IPv6" support. Hence this request | 14:06 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: I bet you do ;-) | 14:06 |
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| manjeets_ | sorry my vpn kicked me out of network | 14:06 |
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| manjeets_ | how much of ipv6 support we have now ? | 14:07 |
| haleyb | manjeets_: no support for metadata over ipv6 | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | There was a spec half baked: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315604/ | 14:08 |
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| mlavalle | manjeets_: this has implications beyond Neutron. It has to do with end point addresses across OpenStack services, etc. This is one of the bits pertaining to Neutron | 14:09 |
| manjeets_ | thanks mlavalle haleyb! i'll read the spec to understand neutron bits looks short one | 14:10 |
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| yamamoto | has anything changed in AWS or cloud-init in these few years? | 14:12 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: i guess i'm not against the spec, but having been part of the IETF, know it would be best to possibly request an address be registered | 14:12 |
| haleyb | i see no ipv6-only support in AWS | 14:13 |
| mlavalle | yeah, I checked AWS and they don't seem to have changed that | 14:13 |
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| yamamoto | so the concern about modifying AWS-owned API is still valid? | 14:13 |
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| mlavalle | well, I don't know that we concluded we were changing the API | 14:14 |
| haleyb | just the target address of the requests | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | yeah | 14:15 |
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| haleyb | we could just start using it and send AWS an email, kind-of like StarlingX :-/ | 14:16 |
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| mlavalle | LOL, yeah, let's do that | 14:17 |
| manjeets_ | lol | 14:17 |
| yamamoto | the address is definitely a part of api. and i suspect we need to change more than that. eg. local-ipv4 | 14:18 |
| yamamoto | config drive is not an option for them? | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | why not expand the API, making sure we are backwards compatible? | 14:19 |
| haleyb | yamamoto: i know we've mentioned it on the ML. So is there an equivalent local-ipv6 in the api? | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: you mean AWS's api definition? | 14:20 |
| haleyb | right, it has to be able to return the local ipv6 address i would guess | 14:21 |
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| yamamoto | https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ec2-instance-metadata.html | 14:21 |
| yamamoto | there seems to be some ipv6 stuff | 14:22 |
| yamamoto | like network/interfaces/macs/mac/ipv6s | 14:23 |
| haleyb | "he IPv6 addresses associated with the interface. Returned only for instances launched into a VPC." seems different from local-ipv4 value | 14:23 |
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| mlavalle | I searched through this doument and didn't find a reference to IPv6 for the metadata service itself | 14:26 |
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| mlavalle | There are references to IPv6 addresses used by the instance | 14:27 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: right, i didn't either. i just don't know enough about metadata to know how local-ipv4 is used, or what the instance gets out of it for ipv6 | 14:28 |
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| haleyb | someone more versed in cloud-init or nova would know? i mean, if we can proxy the requests but the instance doesn't get the ipv6 info it needs, we wasted time | 14:29 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: " to know how local-ipv4 is used". what do you mean by this? | 14:30 |
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| haleyb | mlavalle: so when an instance uses metadata today, when it reads local-ipv4 what is it used for? | 14:31 |
| mlavalle | ok | 14:32 |
| mlavalle | Thanks | 14:32 |
| haleyb | i don't know enough about metadata to answer that | 14:32 |
| yamamoto | i'm not sure what's the requirements of "folks in China". if they just want to be ipv4-free, they can just stop using metadata api. there are alternatives like config drive. | 14:32 |
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| mlavalle | that's an alternative certainly. I will add some comments to the RFE and see if we get more feedback | 14:35 |
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| mlavalle | Let's move on to the next one | 14:36 |
| mlavalle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1744223 | 14:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1744223 in neutron "[RFE] VPNaaS: handle local side's tunnel IP in ipsec-site-connection operations" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Hunt Xu (huntxu) | 14:36 |
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| mlavalle | We discussed this one in our last meeting | 14:37 |
| mlavalle | We agreed that we wanted to make sure the proposed change was only to be able to update external_v6_ip | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | No response from submitter | 14:38 |
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| mlavalle | So I'm going to leave a note asking if there is still interest in pursuing this | 14:39 |
| mlavalle | any additional comments? | 14:39 |
| yamamoto | nothing from me | 14:39 |
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| mlavalle | ok, done | 14:41 |
| mlavalle | We don't have any more triaged bugs to discuss today | 14:42 |
| mlavalle | I just want to draw your attention to the following one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1764738 | 14:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1764738 in neutron "routed provider networks limit to one host" [Wishlist,New] | 14:42 |
| mlavalle | I will be asking some questions today on it | 14:43 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: you might recognize the submitter from the bug we were talking about yesterday | 14:43 |
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| haleyb | oh yes | 14:44 |
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| mlavalle | If you can spend some time helping to triage this one, it would be very helpful | 14:45 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 14:46 |
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| mlavalle | Any other topics we should discuss today? | 14:46 |
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| yamamoto | i have no topic | 14:47 |
| haleyb | nada aqui :) | 14:47 |
| * manjeets_ returns None | 14:47 | |
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| mlavalle | LOL | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | nice Spanish haleyb | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | nice Python manjeets_ | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | Thanks for attending | 14:48 |
| mlavalle | Have a nice weekend | 14:48 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 14:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jun 1 14:48:14 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:48 |
| manjeets_ | thanks | 14:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-06-01-14.00.html | 14:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-06-01-14.00.txt | 14:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-06-01-14.00.log.html | 14:48 |
| yamamoto | good night | 14:48 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jun 1 15:00:03 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | Ping list: dhellmann, dims, fungi, tonyb, lbragstad, ttx, armstrong, annabelleB | 15:00 |
| annabelleB | o/ | 15:00 |
| ttx | Hi! | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-relmgt-tracking Agenda | 15:00 |
| fungi | howdy | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:00 |
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| fungi | looks like we're around line 216 today? | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | Yep, looks right. | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | #topic Rocky-2 tasks | 15:01 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://github.com/openstack/releases/blob/master/PROCESS.rst | 15:01 |
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| smcginnis | So other than tagging the milestone releases, I guess I should have included a mention of the unrelease changes. | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | I actually did run the report, but didn't include that. | 15:02 |
| ttx | I'll be traveling Tue-Thu, but shoudl be around to take my share on teh Wednesday | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | I'll get that next tune, | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | *time | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Great, thanks. | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | Any other issues/concerns for next week's milestone activities? | 15:03 |
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| smcginnis | OK, I don't think I have anything going on, so should be good on my end. | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | #topic Tagging right fixes progress | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | no concerns here | 15:03 |
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| fungi | no planned infrastructure disruption either | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | fungi: OK, great! | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Was this your topic? | 15:04 |
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| ttx | yes | 15:05 |
| ttx | so... ec2api was done already | 15:06 |
| ttx | For dragonflow, I looked it up and they did not do a queens release | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | that's unfortunate | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | Surprised we missed that until now. | 15:06 |
| ttx | which makes me question what to do there | 15:06 |
| fungi | i thnik they may be one of those projects which trail substantially | 15:06 |
| fungi | er, think | 15:06 |
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| fungi | as in they develop against the latest neutron release rather than against master? | 15:07 |
| ttx | given where it sits on the map (neutron plugin) I would be inclined to consider it for unofficalnessity | 15:07 |
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| smcginnis | At least I don't see them listed as part of the coordinated release: https://releases.openstack.org/queens/index.html | 15:07 |
| ttx | probably one to prioritize in the "health" TC activity | 15:07 |
| ttx | last release was 9 months ago | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | I'll make a note of that now | 15:08 |
| ttx | They have a bunch of commits though, so it's not "dead" | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | Ah, I seem to recall some internal mention of this. | 15:08 |
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| fungi | 2017-09-01 for their 4.0 release | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | they have 393 commits since that last release | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | that seems pretty active, are they just not tagging? | 15:09 |
| ttx | It's hard to consider it a part of openstack if it's not released basically | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 15:09 |
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| fungi | so they basically released 4.0 immediately after the coordinated pile release | 15:09 |
| ttx | I'm not saying it should die... I just question the value of it being seen as a part of the product rather than a product add-on | 15:10 |
| fungi | er, pike release | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | So do we propose to move them out of governance? | 15:10 |
| ttx | smcginnis: I'd wait for someone from teh TC to dive into it | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | fungi : quite the freudian slip that was :-) | 15:10 |
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| fungi | hah | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | :D | 15:10 |
| ttx | We just need to prioritize it up | 15:10 |
| fungi | and get some feedback from the dragonflow devs too, of course | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | I've added a note to the "actively monitoring teams" section of the tc tracker in the wiki | 15:11 |
| ttx | next up: | 15:11 |
| fungi | looks like oanson is probably the most active contributor there (and has been pushing their tags) | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | I can start a ML thread after the meeting raising the question. | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | I intended to raise that in office hours next week when most everyone is back online | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: ++ | 15:11 |
| ttx | Rally -- I overlooked their response to the last ML thread about it | 15:11 |
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| ttx | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129405.html | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : a ML thread from the release PTL would be a good start, too | 15:11 |
| ttx | basically arguing that non-cycle-based things should retain tagging rights | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | I don't find either of those arguments particularly convincing | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | #action smcginnis to start ML thread asking for Dragonflow status update | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | but yeah, if they don't want to be listed on the releases.o.o site I guess I don't want to argue over it | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | We do state now in the documentation that coming under governance means the release team must be the ones handling tagging. | 15:12 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yeah, so my initial "ACL compliance" target was the openstack / openstack-operations buckets from the map[tm] | 15:12 |
| fungi | so rally wants to keep their release notes in the tag message rather than in their repository content? | 15:12 |
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| ttx | they want to keep not depending on us, I think | 15:13 |
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| dhellmann | that seems like the real reason, yes | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | we have some old data about releases. we could just remove that so the site doesn't appear to be out of date. | 15:14 |
| ttx | I'm fine with the "I should be able to do things how I damn well please" mentality, but I also think things can live outside of the "openstack" official space | 15:14 |
| fungi | right, the message indicates a dislike for the rules about when releases are appropriate, and a concern that there might not be release team members around to approve (urgent?) release requests | 15:14 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Agree | 15:14 |
| ttx | wanting both is what I disagree with | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 15:14 |
| smcginnis | Sounds like this one should be "OpenStack hosted" and not officially governed if that's what they want. | 15:14 |
| ttx | we hold "openstack deliverables" to a given standard, and that standard now includes managed released | 15:15 |
| ttx | if only so that you can not make non-peer-reviewed release blunders that would stain the openstyck name | 15:15 |
| fungi | infra being the main outlier, and as noted in the most recent ml thread we want to move most of the infra repos out of openstack officially too | 15:15 |
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| fungi | so i think it's a fine precedent | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | so, does someone need to reply to that ML thread proposing the 2 options? either letting us manage the releases or removing rally from governance? | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | Sounds like something the TC chair should address. :) | 15:16 |
| ttx | I'd say that's a TC-level discussion | 15:17 |
| fungi | agreed | 15:17 |
| ttx | enforcing that rule that is now in governance or not | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | ok, maybe our release team PTL will raise that then? :-) | 15:17 |
| smcginnis | Hehe, OK. | 15:17 |
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| ttx | I think the key is what are the minimal stquality andards we want to enforce for things to be associated with the "openstack" | 15:18 |
| ttx | damn it weechat+mosh stop eating my characters | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : if you lay out the reasons why we have the rule, I will offer the option of rally leaving governance | 15:18 |
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| ttx | I think those quality standards now include peer-reviewed releases basically | 15:19 |
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| ttx | and that is what that resolution said | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Are you thinking as a reply on that thread? Or should I bring this up in the next office hours? | 15:20 |
| ttx | reply to thread would be good | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : let's start by reviving the thread. I'll make sure the tc-members see it. | 15:21 |
| fungi | i think if it's brought up on the thread as a discussion, that works | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | maybe add [tc] to the subject if it isn't already there | 15:21 |
| ttx | Andrey felt like his answer went into deaf ears | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | OK, sounds like a plan. | 15:21 |
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| ttx | I for one missed it | 15:21 |
| ttx | ok, next topic! | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | I saw it, but didn't plan on responding right away. | 15:22 |
| fungi | yeah, i honestly don't remember seeing his reply | 15:22 |
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| fungi | i probably did read it and immediately forgot | 15:22 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I'm not sure why I glossed over that one | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | #action smcginnis to respond to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129405.html with reasons why governed projects need to use the release team | 15:23 |
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| smcginnis | ttx: Want to discuss the aclfixer patch? | 15:26 |
| fungi | so what's the deal with the puppet-pacemaker addition then? just needs to have the acl updated to conform or is that an indefinite blacklist? | 15:26 |
| ttx | should be straightforward | 15:26 |
| ttx | just needs to be fixed, I think | 15:26 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I wanted to ask about that, too | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | should we just fix their acls? | 15:26 |
| ttx | I could post the fix and update that aclfixer patch | 15:26 |
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| ttx | just wanted to have time to dive deeper into it see where that came from | 15:27 |
| ttx | to prevent it from happening again | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:27 |
| ttx | I'll post the patch and update the aclfixer list | 15:27 |
| ttx | so don't approve just now | 15:27 |
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| smcginnis | OK, sounds good. | 15:28 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Stable library maintenance | 15:28 |
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| ttx | OK, so I realized this morning that I signed up for that one, and wanted to discuss it for a bit | 15:28 |
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| ttx | what would be your definition of a stable library ? Wouldn't we expect req bumps on those ? | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | since we no longer sync them, we might not have any | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | think oslo.i18n | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | that's basically never going to see new features, and will only get bug fixes if there are any, but it's a thin wrapper around gettext, so there aren't likely to be many | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | I think we would need them. Aren't the older ones still just using g-r and u-c? | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | we don't change g-r on older branches | 15:30 |
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| dhellmann | they do use u-c, but those aren't synced | 15:30 |
| ttx | ok | 15:30 |
| ttx | so in this case... | 15:30 |
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| ttx | the less-disruptive way is probably to allow multiple stable branches to be created from a given master release | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | we'll have a lot of somewhat-but-less stable libs, but oslo.i18n seems likely to stay as it is for ages | 15:31 |
| ttx | We would just branch it from the last master release if nothing was pushed there since last stable | 15:31 |
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| ttx | In case new things land in master, we just need to jump n stable branches in that versioning | 15:31 |
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| ttx | x.y+n.0 | 15:32 |
| ttx | Any obvious issue with that strawman ? | 15:32 |
| ttx | I feel like not creating branches until they are needed is actually more painful | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | it sounds like extra backporting work | 15:32 |
| ttx | backporting? | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | if we have a queens version that ends up being used for 3 cycles, then we have a fix, would we backport it to all of those other empty branches? | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | why not just backport from master to queens and do 2 releases? | 15:33 |
| fungi | seems like it might be challenging to predict version numbers for those branches? | 15:33 |
| ttx | hmm let me think... we rely on constraints rather than branch names in tests, right | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | in unit tests, yes | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | the branch names are used when testing changes to the libraries in the integration tests | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | ideally we'd be able to use version numbers instead of series names, but that's a lot of tooling updates | 15:34 |
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| dhellmann | stable/2.0 instead of stable/queens | 15:34 |
| ttx | I fear that tracking which branch is used for where might be a bit challenging | 15:34 |
| ttx | What we really need is branch aliases :) | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | the telemetry team tried that and it turned into a lot of work | 15:35 |
| fungi | say we branch stable/rocky and then later branch stable/stein from the same commit... later we discover a bug (security vulnerability fix?) which needs to be committed in master and backported... what do we tag for the stable branch release versions? | 15:35 |
| ttx | so.. master has 1.18.0 | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | if the version before stable/rocky was 1.0.0 then the version on stable/rocky is 1.1.0 and the version on stable/stein is 1.2.0 | 15:35 |
| ttx | you create stable/rocky from that | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | the release tools already require that | 15:36 |
| ttx | then create stable/stein from that | 15:36 |
| smcginnis | I have to admit, I'm not following all this. Why do we need to do something different than our current stable library releases? | 15:36 |
| ttx | then you fix the thing in master and release 1.20.0 | 15:36 |
| fungi | so as long as we pick the stable/rocky version number before we pick the stable/steni version number, it could work out | 15:36 |
| ttx | then 1.18.1 and 1.19.0 | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | fungi : yes | 15:36 |
| fungi | but we need to make sure we don't tag something in stable/stein before stable/rocky | 15:37 |
| ttx | what dhellmann says is that it's preferable to do 1.19.0 on master and 1.18.1 for rocky AND stein | 15:37 |
| fungi | or we could paint ourselves into a corner with version numbering | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : I guess the question is, do we need to create empty branches when there were no changes for several series? | 15:37 |
| ttx | fungi: that's why I suggest 1.19.0 | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | ttx: right, we would just use the rocky version in the stein series, too | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Just speaking from experience with os-brick, we always create a stable branch. | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | I don't know if that's going to be confusing for downstream folks, but that's how we treat 3rd party tools | 15:38 |
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| smcginnis | Of course, it always does have changes, so I guess that's the key here. | 15:38 |
| fungi | ttx: right, my example could be extended to include stable/t and we need to make sure that we pick version numbers across r, s and t which are in order then | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | right | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | But I think we should still create branches each release for any "active" libs. | 15:38 |
| ttx | I'd say the 3 options are | 15:38 |
| fungi | so can't just rely on incrementing y in x.y.z | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | fungi : yeah, we'll have to be careful with the reviews. or we could make the tool smart enough to detect those errors | 15:39 |
| ttx | 1/ force "artificial" releases even if there are no changes and just reuse same process | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | if we create a branch, there will always be at least 1 patch containing the .gitreview update | 15:39 |
| ttx | 2/ do not force releases, but still create branches from latest releases before they are even needed | 15:39 |
| ttx | 3/ do not force releases, and reuse stable branches from cycle to cycle | 15:39 |
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| ttx | 3 is conceptually the best, but I have a hard time to wrap my head around potential consequences | 15:40 |
| smcginnis | 1 seems the safest to me. | 15:40 |
| ttx | 1 is the safest but weirdest when there are no more changes | 15:40 |
| ttx | 2 is a trade-off | 15:40 |
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| dhellmann | 2 is the case where we have to be careful with versions, as fungi pointed out | 15:41 |
| ttx | do we agree on the 3 options ? | 15:41 |
| fungi | yeah, #1 while safe deos also seem like a treadmill of process-imposed busywork | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | I suppose option 4 is to not worry about stable branches at all for those things | 15:41 |
| fungi | s/deos/does/ | 15:41 |
| ttx | switch them to independent ? | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | and option 5 is to not do anything and create the stable branches when we need them | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | (option 5 is like 2, except for the timing) | 15:42 |
| ttx | dhellmann: you mean create all the missing branches once you need them ? | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | right | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure it's a good idea, but for completeness sake I thought I'd mention it | 15:43 |
| ttx | It's a 2bis | 15:43 |
| fungi | i want to say there were some drawbacks to #4 and #5 (we did them in the past at various times) but trying to recall what the problems were now | 15:43 |
| ttx | is #4 like switching things to be independent ? | 15:43 |
| * ttx documents in etherpad | 15:43 | |
| fungi | certainly not creating stable branches leads to problems when you have a new release you don't want used by stable branches of other projects | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | well, we have stable branches for independent projects sometimes | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | fungi : with the constraints system in place, new releases can be controlled | 15:44 |
| fungi | though i suppose constraints on those stable branches help | 15:44 |
| fungi | yeah, that | 15:44 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, we're probably in better shape now to handle these. | 15:44 |
| fungi | we didn't really have constraints widely used back when we were encountering the issues which caused us to force stable branches for all libs | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | in fact 3 would require extra manual work to update u-c in stable branches | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | right | 15:45 |
| fungi | so... 4/5 actually seem sort of okay and would certainly be less work | 15:45 |
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| smcginnis | Not to be lazy, but less work is probably better at this point. | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | option 5 feels appealing, because it lets us do the work we need to fix something at the time it's broken without having to do extra work up front | 15:45 |
| fungi | i think it would end up being #5 because there will be critical fixes you need backported to an older version used by stable-branch projects | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | otoh, doing it up front means it's done as part of a batch, so we're ready when things are broken | 15:46 |
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| dhellmann | so I'm sort of torn between 5 and 2 | 15:46 |
| ttx | yeah, it's self-imposed work, but part of a routine | 15:46 |
| fungi | well, release requests can come with branching requests, right? so it's not really that much extra convenience to have the branches precreated | 15:46 |
| ttx | I renamed 5 to 2bis in the etherpad | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | fungi : they need the branch before they can backport a fix | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:47 |
| ttx | since it's close to 2 and helps estimating disruption potential | 15:47 |
| fungi | oh, good point. so it's two release requests | 15:47 |
| fungi | create the branch, backport the fix, tag the release | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | they're likely going to want a release from master, and the branch request could come in that patch, but at that point it's not really much extra effort to make it separately | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | maybe we try 2bis and if we run into problems we switch to 2? | 15:48 |
| fungi | i still feel like #5 is preferable to #2 _if_ the frequency of backports is very low | 15:48 |
| ttx | We don't have to decide now, just wanted to lay down the options to give it some extra thought | 15:48 |
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| smcginnis | Was just going to say, we don't need to decide today. | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | I'm expecting a very small number of things in this category, and for those things to be very stable. | 15:48 |
| smcginnis | Let's give it a bit and let things sink in and see if we think of any other concerns. | 15:48 |
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| ttx | One issue is how we "mark" those | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | ++ to contemplation | 15:49 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: yeah, maybe a new release model? | 15:49 |
| fungi | it's also possible to switch from #2 to #2bis in the future if we discover that #2 isn't buying us much for the additional effort | 15:49 |
| dhellmann | fungi : good point | 15:49 |
| dhellmann | it seems like we can switch between any of the options, really | 15:49 |
| fungi | sure | 15:50 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, 2bis is really just lazy loaded 2. | 15:50 |
| ttx | ok... let's it simmer a bit. Next topic ? | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | ++ for being lazy | 15:50 |
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| smcginnis | Any aspect of extended maintenance lib releases we should consider with this? | 15:50 |
| smcginnis | I thought that was actually the topic at first glance. | 15:50 |
| smcginnis | Probably the same applies? | 15:51 |
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| ttx | brain cells level: 0 | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | I think we decided to change the devstack job to install everything from source by default for EM branches, didn't we? | 15:51 |
| smcginnis | Was that the decision in the session. I couldn't remember if we came to a decision. | 15:51 |
| ttx | that was the consensus there yes | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | I felt like it was the preferred option, although I'm not sure if someone stepped up to write that change. | 15:52 |
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| dhellmann | it may have been another case of dealing with it when it actually comes up | 15:52 |
| smcginnis | OK, that works then. We can move on. | 15:52 |
| smcginnis | #topic Planned time off | 15:52 |
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| ttx | I realized my summer vacation is on FF week, again | 15:53 |
| smcginnis | I know I will be gone R-7, but that should be a quiet week. | 15:53 |
| ttx | also in Europython week | 15:53 |
| smcginnis | I shouldn't have any conflicts on FF week (R-5). | 15:53 |
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| dhellmann | I'll be traipsing all over scotland that week | 15:53 |
| ttx | I refreshed my travel schedule for the rest of the cycle | 15:53 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Nice! | 15:53 |
| d0ugal | EuroPython \o/ | 15:54 |
| apetrich | \o/ | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | well,not so much "all over" as "Edinburgh and Glasgow" | 15:54 |
| smcginnis | So I guess I'll be holding down the fort that week with whatever help I can get. | 15:54 |
| smcginnis | And will be definitely leaning on fungi if any release/infra issues come up. :) | 15:55 |
| fungi | i'm gone for the second half of july... trying to see what that works out to on the release schedule | 15:55 |
| smcginnis | This cycle has been much more reliable with those things, so hopefully this is no issue. | 15:55 |
| * smcginnis knocks on wood | 15:55 | |
| ttx | it's a good test at least | 15:56 |
| smcginnis | OK, then I can just cry for help in -infra if something happens. :D | 15:56 |
| smcginnis | But not feeling too worried. | 15:56 |
| fungi | yeah, i disappear in the middle of r5 and return in the middle of r3 | 15:56 |
| dhellmann | on conference days (the end of the week) I'll check in on irc periodically | 15:56 |
| fungi | er, i mean r6 and r4 | 15:56 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: That would be great. Don't want to distract you, but might be good if any questions come up. | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | I'm on twitter and signal, too | 15:57 |
| fungi | so yeah, my travel is july 18-31 according to my notes, though i'll have internet access during some of that | 15:57 |
| smcginnis | I think I can hunt most of you down if I really need to. | 15:57 |
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| smcginnis | Hah ;) | 15:58 |
| smcginnis | Anything else in the last minute+? | 15:58 |
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| dhellmann | nothing from me | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | We need to talk succession at some point, but we have time yet. But time today. | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | But not time today I mean. | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone! | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jun 1 15:59:45 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-06-01-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-06-01-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-06-01-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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