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| gagehugo | #startmeeting security | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 10 15:01:09 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:01 |
| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 15:01 |
| gagehugo | ping eeiden fungi gagehugo lhinds nickthetait browne | 15:01 |
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| * fungi is around but mostly paying attention to tc office hour in #openstack-tc right now | 15:03 | |
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| gagehugo | hey fungi | 15:03 |
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| gagehugo | might be a short meeting, do you have anything fungi? | 15:05 |
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| fungi | nope! | 15:06 |
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| gagehugo | I'll give it another few and then we will end early | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | mins* | 15:06 |
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| gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:09 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 10 15:09:41 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:09 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2018/security.2018-05-10-15.01.html | 15:09 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2018/security.2018-05-10-15.01.txt | 15:09 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2018/security.2018-05-10-15.01.log.html | 15:09 |
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| melwitt | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 10 21:00:04 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is melwitt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 21:00 |
| tssurya | o/ | 21:00 |
| melwitt | hi everybody | 21:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 21:00 |
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| dansmith | o/ | 21:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 21:00 |
| melwitt | let's get started | 21:00 |
| efried | ō/ | 21:00 |
| melwitt | #topic Release News | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
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| melwitt | #link Rocky release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Rocky_Release_Schedule | 21:00 |
| melwitt | we've got the summit coming up soon, the week after next | 21:01 |
| cdent | hmm. I totally shouldn't be here. Oh well. | 21:01 |
| * cdent settles in | 21:01 | |
| melwitt | r-2 is June 7 which is also the spec freeze | 21:01 |
| melwitt | current runway status: | 21:01 |
| melwitt | #link Rocky review runways: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-runways-rocky | 21:01 |
| melwitt | #link runway #1: XenAPI: Support a new image handler for non-FS based SRs [END DATE: 2018-05-11] series starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497201 | 21:02 |
| melwitt | #link runway #2: Add z/VM driver [END DATE: 2018-05-15] spec amendment needed at https://review.openstack.org/562154 and implementation starting at https://review.openstack.org/523387 | 21:02 |
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| melwitt | #link runway #3: Local disk serial numbers [END DATE: 2018-05-16] series starting at https://review.openstack.org/526346 | 21:02 |
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| melwitt | anyone have anything to add for release news or runways? | 21:03 |
| melwitt | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:03 | |
| melwitt | no critical bugs | 21:03 |
| melwitt | #link 34 new untriaged bugs (up 3 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 21:04 |
| melwitt | #link 9 untagged untriaged bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 21:04 |
| mriedem | damn was down to 28 last night | 21:04 |
| melwitt | wow, 6 new overnight then. that's a lot | 21:04 |
| mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1718439 isn't new but... | 21:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1718439 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Apparent lack of locking in conductor logs" [Undecided,New] | 21:04 |
| melwitt | oh, okay got added to nova today | 21:05 |
| mriedem | added back, i tried to pawn it off on oslo a year ago | 21:05 |
| mriedem | anyway | 21:06 |
| melwitt | okay | 21:06 |
| melwitt | #link bug triage how-to: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Tags | 21:06 |
| melwitt | please lend a helping hand with bug triage if you can ^ and thanks to all who have been helping | 21:07 |
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| melwitt | Gate status: | 21:07 |
| melwitt | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 21:07 |
| melwitt | there have been a lot of job timeouts lately, I've noticed | 21:07 |
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| melwitt | one cool thing is that e-r (elastic recheck) is working again and commenting on reviews if a known gate bug is hit | 21:08 |
| melwitt | 3rd party CI: | 21:08 |
| melwitt | #link 3rd party CI status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 21:08 |
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| melwitt | the zKVM third party job is currently broken because of a consoles related devstack change of mine | 21:09 |
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| melwitt | ML thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-May/130331.html and a fix is proposed https://review.openstack.org/567298 | 21:10 |
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| melwitt | does anyone have anything else on bugs, gate status or third party CI? | 21:10 |
| melwitt | #topic Reminders | 21:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:11 | |
| melwitt | #link Forum session moderators, create your etherpads and link them at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Vancouver2018 | 21:11 |
| melwitt | #link ML post http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-May/130316.html | 21:11 |
| melwitt | friendly reminder to get your etherpads created and link them on the wiki so people can find em | 21:11 |
| melwitt | #link Rocky Review Priorities https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:11 |
| melwitt | reminder that the subteam and bugs etherpad is there for finding patches | 21:12 |
| melwitt | anything else for reminders? | 21:12 |
| melwitt | #topic Stable branch status | 21:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:12 | |
| melwitt | #link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/queens,n,z | 21:13 |
| melwitt | #link stable/pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/pike,n,z | 21:13 |
| melwitt | #link stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z | 21:13 |
| melwitt | #link We're going to do some stable releases to get some regression fixes out: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-stable-branch-status | 21:13 |
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| melwitt | looks like "libvirt: check image type before removing snapshots in _cleanup_resize" is the last thing we need before we do the releases | 21:14 |
| melwitt | anything else on stable branch status? | 21:14 |
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| melwitt | #topic Subteam Highlights | 21:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Subteam Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:14 | |
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| melwitt | we skipped the cells v2 meeting again because we didn't need a meeting. anything interesting to mention dansmith? | 21:15 |
| dansmith | negative ghostrider | 21:15 |
| melwitt | k | 21:15 |
| melwitt | edleafe, have some scheduler subteam news? | 21:15 |
| edleafe | Gave an update on Nested Resource Providers progress to a Cyborg team rep | 21:15 |
| edleafe | Bauzas remembered that he owes me a beer, to be paid in Vancouver | 21:15 |
| edleafe | Confirmed the importance of merging the conversion of libvirt's get_inventory() method to update_provider_tree() | 21:15 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/560444 | 21:15 |
| edleafe | This will be my last update. After running the Scheduler meeting for over two years, I'm stepping down. | 21:15 |
| edleafe | EOM | 21:15 |
| melwitt | glad to hear the collab with the cyborg team is going along smoothly it sounds like | 21:16 |
| edleafe | yeah, I want to keep them in the loop | 21:17 |
| melwitt | and sorry to hear that edleafe. thanks for chairing the meeting all these years | 21:17 |
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| melwitt | gibi has left some notes about the notifications meeting | 21:18 |
| melwitt | "We talked about #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/563269 Add notification support for trusted_certs and agreed that it is going to a good direction" | 21:18 |
| melwitt | "We agreed that the notification requirement in #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/554212 Add PENDING vm state can be fulfilled with existing notifications. But now I see that additional requirements are popping up in the spec so I have to go back and re-review it." | 21:18 |
| melwitt | anything else for subteams? | 21:19 |
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| melwitt | #topic Stuck Reviews | 21:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:19 | |
| melwitt | nothing in the agenda. anyone have anything for stuck reviews? | 21:19 |
| melwitt | #topic Open discussion | 21:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:20 | |
| melwitt | couple of agenda items in here, | 21:20 |
| melwitt | first one: | 21:20 |
| melwitt | (wznoinsk): I wanted to raise a concern about not running some advanced tempest tests (they're part of 'slow' type hence are skipped): https://github.com/openstack/tempest/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22type%3D%27slow%27%22&type= | 21:20 |
| melwitt | are you around wznoinsk? | 21:21 |
| mriedem | we do run the slow tests in a job in the experimental queue | 21:21 |
| mriedem | i always have to look up which one though | 21:21 |
| melwitt | so they only run on-demand then? I wonder if that should be a daily periodic | 21:21 |
| mriedem | for example, the encrypted volume tests are marked as slow | 21:21 |
| mriedem | well, | 21:21 |
| mriedem | i think i've also floated the idea of a job that only runs slow tests | 21:22 |
| mriedem | since there are relatively few of them | 21:22 |
| wznoinsk | melwitt, yes | 21:22 |
| mriedem | they were removed from the main tempest-full job because the time it was taking to run api, scenario and slow tests | 21:22 |
| melwitt | to run on every change, the slow tests you mean? | 21:22 |
| mriedem | yes | 21:22 |
| melwitt | ah, okay. so they used to be in tempest-full | 21:22 |
| mriedem | i believe so, until sdague went on a rampage | 21:23 |
| melwitt | yeah, I think they should be run once a day at the very least | 21:23 |
| mriedem | we could even have a nova-slow job in-tree that just runs compute api and all slow scenario tests | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | i could put up something to see what that looks like and how long it takes | 21:23 |
| melwitt | having a separate slow-only job on every change sounds fine too being that we used to run them anyway as part of tempest-full | 21:23 |
| mriedem | if it's only like 45 minutes that's about half of a normal tempest-full run | 21:23 |
| wznoinsk | melwitt, mriedem I don't think some of them are that slow... I can compare times but IIRC there wasn't anything time-exploding | 21:23 |
| melwitt | okay, I think that would be a good idea | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | i think it's this one legacy-tempest-dsvm-neutron-scenario-multinode-lvm-multibackend | 21:24 |
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| wznoinsk | melwitt, mriedem basically I found that because we don't run these slow upstream at all (or I couldn't find any check/gate job with them) some of them are basically broken | 21:24 |
| mriedem | in nova experimental i mean | 21:24 |
| mriedem | yeah, and we could be regressing encrypted volume support w/o knowing it | 21:24 |
| melwitt | wznoinsk: gotcha. thanks for bringing it up, I didn't know about this | 21:25 |
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| melwitt | okay, so let's try out a nova-slow in-tree job and see if it's reasonable to run on all changes to guard against regressions | 21:26 |
| melwitt | anything else on that topic? | 21:26 |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to add nova-slow job | 21:26 |
| melwitt | do I have to type that to make it go on the minutes? | 21:27 |
| wznoinsk | mriedem, there are a few networking related slows too | 21:27 |
| mriedem | wznoinsk: sure but nova changes don't care about slow provider network tests | 21:27 |
| mriedem | we can argue in the review | 21:28 |
| wznoinsk | mriedem, would I bring up this topic with networking guys too then? or can it be somehow discussed between teams internally? | 21:28 |
| mriedem | cinder would also likely want this | 21:28 |
| mriedem | or we just do a generic tempest-slow job | 21:28 |
| mriedem | should talk to gmann | 21:28 |
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| wznoinsk | mriedem++ | 21:28 |
| mriedem | wznoinsk: how about you talk to gmann :) | 21:28 |
| wznoinsk | mriedem, I don't mind, will do | 21:29 |
| melwitt | cool. let's move to the next agenda item: | 21:29 |
| melwitt | (takashin): Abort Cold Migration #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334732/ | 21:30 |
| takashin | About the "Abort Cold Migration" function(spec), I got feedbacks from operators in openstack-operators mailing list. | 21:30 |
| takashin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2018-May/015209.html | 21:30 |
| takashin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2018-May/015237.html | 21:30 |
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| takashin | I would like to proceed "List/show all server migration types" implementation that the function depends on. | 21:30 |
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| takashin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430608/ | 21:31 |
| mriedem | takashin: you got replies from some people from your company, | 21:31 |
| mriedem | and i asked them some follow up questoins | 21:31 |
| mriedem | *questions | 21:31 |
| takashin | Yes. | 21:31 |
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| mriedem | so i personally would like to at least wait to hear those responses | 21:32 |
| takashin | okay. | 21:32 |
| melwitt | IIRC, this has been discussed long ago and the usual use case is, cold migrating an instance with a large disk that will take forever, and wanting the ability to cancel it | 21:33 |
| mriedem | sure, on non-shared storage | 21:33 |
| mriedem | which was the one other reply in the ops list, they are rolling out a new deployment and before investing in it, they use cheap local storage | 21:33 |
| takashin | or it is stalled out | 21:33 |
| mriedem | not ceph | 21:33 |
| melwitt | right | 21:34 |
| mriedem | i'd like more details in the ops list reply about the stall out case | 21:34 |
| mriedem | i dont really want to put a bunch of time into new apis and plumbing for one operator that hits some stall issue without details | 21:35 |
| melwitt | fwiw, I've thought the use case sounds reasonable but that the implementation would be really error prone and racy. I don't know if that could be solved with a simple task_state lockout | 21:36 |
| mriedem | we also can't reliably test this | 21:37 |
| mriedem | without stubs | 21:37 |
| mriedem | by test i'm talking tempest | 21:37 |
| dansmith | cleanup from stuff like this is a pita | 21:37 |
| dansmith | and if we can't test it (agree we can't), then it's going to be ugly | 21:37 |
| dansmith | I know it sounds useful in principle, | 21:37 |
| dansmith | but I think most people that care about this kind of thing use shared storage, | 21:38 |
| dansmith | because allowing your users to move terabytes of data around your network and disks every time they want to resize is kinda ugly | 21:38 |
| dansmith | the cancel and cleanup case for ceph, by the way, | 21:38 |
| dansmith | is potentially even worse than the "stop a copy and roll back" case of copying the disk manually | 21:39 |
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| dansmith | so without some really compelling reason I'd love to not introduce this complication | 21:39 |
| melwitt | you mean non-shared ceph? | 21:39 |
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| dansmith | no | 21:40 |
| melwitt | okay, I thought in the shared storage case, you don't have to copy anything | 21:41 |
| dansmith | right, | 21:41 |
| dansmith | you've got a vastly smaller window of time where it makes sense to abort | 21:41 |
| mriedem | i would expect anyone using ceph to not need this | 21:42 |
| mriedem | so they won't use it | 21:42 |
| dansmith | right, but, it'll be there.. a button to push | 21:42 |
| melwitt | yeah ... I think that's a good summary of why we haven't gone forward with this in the past. really complex and anyone with large storage isn't going to be doing local storage | 21:43 |
| melwitt | (if they want to migrate things) | 21:43 |
| mriedem | so (1) wait for replies, (2) talk some more | 21:44 |
| melwitt | yeah | 21:44 |
| mriedem | (3) we're <2 weeks from the forum with real live operators in the room to harass | 21:44 |
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| mriedem | there will be a public cloud forum session, | 21:44 |
| takashin | okay | 21:44 |
| mriedem | where they talk about gaps and such, | 21:45 |
| mriedem | we should get some feedback in that session for sure | 21:45 |
| mriedem | i'll find their etherpad and add this | 21:45 |
| melwitt | cool, thank you | 21:45 |
| takashin | Thanks. | 21:45 |
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| mriedem | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-publiccloud-wg-brainstorming btw | 21:46 |
| melwitt | okay, so we'll await the replies to the ML thread and gain more understanding of what the "stall out" problem is, whether large disk local storage is being used, and why shared storage or boot-from-volume isn't being used | 21:46 |
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| melwitt | anything else on that topic? anyone have any other topics for open discussion? | 21:47 |
| dansmith | END IT | 21:48 |
| melwitt | :) | 21:48 |
| melwitt | going once | 21:48 |
| melwitt | going twice | 21:48 |
| melwitt | ... | 21:48 |
| melwitt | #endmeeting | 21:49 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-05-10-21.00.html | 21:49 |
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