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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Apr 27 14:00:22 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
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| mlavalle | Hi there! | 14:01 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:01 |
| amotoki | hi | 14:01 |
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| mlavalle | amotoki: if you have a chance, please look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/564748/ from haleyb | 14:02 |
| patchbot | patch 564748 - releases - Neutron Queens 12.0.2 | 14:02 |
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| amotoki | mlavalle: looking | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | I think we have quorum. yamamoto might join us later | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | #topic RFEs | 14:03 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:03 | |
| mlavalle | First RFE for today is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1748132 | 14:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1748132 in neutron "[RFE] Can not create router gateway without external_fixed_ips" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Guoshuai Li (liguoshuai1990) | 14:05 |
| mlavalle | Looking at the notes, I think ubmitter is confused about latest suggestion | 14:05 |
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| amotoki | yeah, I have a similar feeling. | 14:06 |
| amotoki | on the other hand, the submitter commented " I just hope that users can economize it." | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | maybe add some furthere clarification to the RFE | 14:08 |
| amotoki | if a provider charges users based on the number of consumed public IPs, this would work. | 14:08 |
| mlavalle | yeah, I think so | 14:08 |
| amotoki | is seems better to clarify what the submitter would like to have more. | 14:09 |
| amotoki | it* | 14:09 |
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| mlavalle | yes | 14:09 |
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| mlavalle | maybe we don't need to concern ourselves so much what this specific submitter wants / needs | 14:10 |
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| mlavalle | maybe we just want to open the possibility to users / deployers to save the IP if that is what they want | 14:10 |
| amotoki | mlavalle: will you add some comment? I can comment more but it might be better to use another phrase by other person. | 14:10 |
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| mlavalle | I can do that. But before doing that, waht do you think of my previous comment | 14:11 |
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| amotoki | I totally agree with your two mentions above | 14:12 |
| mlavalle | in that case, why not just go ahead an approve the RFE? | 14:12 |
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| mlavalle | and let users / deployers decide for themeselves what they want more | 14:13 |
| amotoki | it opens a door to save IPs based on users' choice. | 14:14 |
| mlavalle | yeah | 14:14 |
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| mlavalle | if that is what they want | 14:14 |
| mlavalle | I don't think we would be breaking anything if we allow it | 14:14 |
| amotoki | yes, it is backward-compatible. | 14:15 |
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| mlavalle | so approve it? I am for it | 14:16 |
| amotoki | ah, I got it. the rfe itself requests to support empty fixed IPs for gateway ports. | 14:17 |
| amotoki | it help save IP addresses by users. | 14:17 |
| amotoki | so what is requested here itself makes sense. | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | I think so | 14:18 |
| amotoki | It seems I try to clarify the intention too mcuh. | 14:18 |
| amotoki | I am okay to approve this | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | that's ok, that's what we are here for ;-) I appreciate your questioning | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | any concerns haleyb ? | 14:19 |
| haleyb | no concerns, you seem to have it under control | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | LOL, I hope it doesn't come back to haunt me ;-) | 14:20 |
| amotoki | it looks like a good starter RFE :) | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | I will advertise it in the next meeting | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | hang on, let me approve | 14:20 |
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| mlavalle | done | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | ok, next one for today | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1756705 | 14:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1756705 in neutron "RFE: New Neutron extension for binding levels" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Evgeny Fedoruk (evgenyf) | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | In the last meeting, yamamoto raised the question as to why the HPB details were not returned in the port response to the API, when HPB was originally implemented | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | he raised the possibility that the team had a good reason not to do it | 14:25 |
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| mlavalle | so I pinged rkukura and had an IRC chat with him. The answer is really simple: they planned to do it but never gout around to actually do it :-) | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | The original reasons to return that information in the response had more to do with debugging, rather than appliances set up like in the case of this RFE | 14:28 |
| mlavalle | it seems to make sense | 14:28 |
| mlavalle | so I am for approving the RFE | 14:29 |
| amotoki | it makes sense to me too, though I honestly do not understand how it can be used in loadbalancer impl.. | 14:29 |
| mlavalle | yeah, Bob was a little mistyfied as well | 14:30 |
| amotoki | anyway, some custom controller can do something based on a driver bound to a port. | 14:30 |
| mlavalle | maybe they plan to have scripts to scrap that information from the API response | 14:31 |
| amotoki | I think so. | 14:31 |
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| mlavalle | so, approve? | 14:31 |
| amotoki | I am okay to approve this. one question is which is a better format for binding:levels arrays or dict. | 14:32 |
| mlavalle | I think it is an array of dicts | 14:32 |
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| mlavalle | with each dict representing a level | 14:32 |
| amotoki | according the description of the RFE, it is a dict and each entry has a level. | 14:33 |
| mlavalle | I already discuseed that with him in a docs patch that he submitted in neuton-lib | 14:33 |
| amotoki | ah... I wasn't aware of it. | 14:34 |
| mlavalle | and he agreed that it had to be array of dicts | 14:34 |
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| mlavalle | like port's fixed_ips | 14:34 |
| amotoki | sounds good to discuss in the review. | 14:34 |
| amotoki | +1 for approving it. | 14:34 |
| mlavalle | any concerns haleyb? | 14:34 |
| haleyb | no, nothing from me on that one | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | cool | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | hang on. I'll approve it and even include the array of dicts suggestion | 14:35 |
| amotoki | we've approved two long standing RFEs :) | 14:36 |
| mlavalle | \o/ | 14:37 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1766380 | 14:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1766380 in neutron "[RFE] Create host-routes for routed networks (segments)" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:38 |
| * mlavalle will give the team some time to go through the long description | 14:40 | |
| mlavalle | good detailed description, btw. no complaints | 14:41 |
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| amotoki | generally speaking, what the RFE says sounds reasonable (though I haven't looked thru the detail of the model proposed) | 14:43 |
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| haleyb | so a change to the dhcp agent to detect these multiple segments and install host/network routes automatically | 14:43 |
| haleyb | there's a lot to read there | 14:44 |
| mlavalle | it makes sense as to the gap he has identified | 14:44 |
| mlavalle | and yes it is to install host routed in each subnet in a routed network, so the traffic statys within the network | 14:45 |
| mlavalle | would it make sense for you guys if you take some time reading it carefully and retaking it during the next meeting? | 14:46 |
| amotoki | that's my understanding so far, but I am refreshing my memory on routed networks and it needs some more time. | 14:46 |
| amotoki | mlavalle: +1 | 14:46 |
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| haleyb | mlavalle: so on-link routes where the VM can just send directly? i think i understand | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | of let's come back to it next meeting | 14:47 |
| haleyb | great, homework :) | 14:47 |
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| mlavalle | LOL | 14:47 |
| amotoki | haleyb: what does 'on-link routes' mean? | 14:48 |
| amotoki | ah, it seems the scope of routes. | 14:49 |
| mlavalle | yes | 14:49 |
| haleyb | amotoki: where you can just send packets for that route directly on an interface, even if there is no gateway | 14:50 |
| haleyb | yes, the scope | 14:50 |
| amotoki | thanks. I am sometimes confused with this term :( | 14:50 |
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| haleyb | in this case all the subnets are on the network | 14:50 |
| amotoki | so the scope must be local. | 14:51 |
| haleyb | i used to use this trick to skip a router (assuming that's what this RFE is asking for) | 14:51 |
| mlavalle | I think it is still a good idea to take some time to digest it | 14:52 |
| mlavalle | we can retake it, first thing next meeting | 14:52 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 14:53 |
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| mlavalle | amotoki: I am told there will be a week long holiday next week in Japan. Is that correct? | 14:54 |
| amotoki | mlavalle: yes. | 14:54 |
| amotoki | I might be travelling somewhere in Japan though I haven't decided yet where I go. | 14:54 |
| mlavalle | so yamamoto and you most likely won't make it the meeting, I assume | 14:54 |
| amotoki | at now it is 50:50 | 14:55 |
| amotoki | it is late in Japan, so perhaps I can join. | 14:55 |
| mlavalle | so let's cancel next week's meeting and give you and yamamoto the freedom to thoroughly enjoy your holiday | 14:56 |
| amotoki | it would be great. thanks | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | just out of curiosity and deep jelousy, what is this holiday about? | 14:56 |
| amotoki | several holidays are defined... | 14:57 |
| amotoki | i found wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Week_(Japan) | 14:57 |
| mlavalle | Thanks! Enjoy | 14:58 |
| * mlavalle GREEN with jelousy | 14:58 | |
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| amotoki | :) | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Apr 27 14:58:32 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-04-27-14.00.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-04-27-14.00.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-04-27-14.00.log.html | 14:58 |
| amotoki | thanks! | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | thnak you for attending! | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: no meeting next week, remember | 14:59 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: ack, will remove from calendar | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Apr 27 15:00:32 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | Courtesy ping: dhellmann, dims, fungi, tonyb, lbragstad, ttx, armstrong, annabelleB | 15:00 |
| fungi | howdy | 15:00 |
| annabelleB | o/ | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | Wow, everyone is prompt today. :) | 15:01 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 15:01 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj ( ・_・)ノ | 15:01 |
| * fungi blushes at being called "prompt" | 15:01 | |
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| smcginnis | Hah! | 15:01 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | There he is. :) | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | #agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-relmgt-tracking | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | Around line 138 it appears. | 15:02 |
| ttx | As always, ttx gets distracted picking background photos for his next presentation | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | It does take a lot of thought and searching! | 15:02 |
| armstrong | Hello | 15:02 |
| armstrong | I have been so busy with final exams | 15:03 |
| ttx | I did add a bunch of items | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | Good to see you armstrong | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Thanks. As usual, I went to add something and saw you already covered it all. | 15:03 |
| ttx | armstrong: hi! | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | #topic Rocky-1 postmortem | 15:03 |
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| ttx | smcginnis: the curse of living ahead of you on the globe | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | Well, it went a heck of a lot better than queens-1, I'll say that. | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | ttx, man of the future | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | Has anyone run the report to see what we ended up missing for r-1? | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | that explains the jumpsuit | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | I just did, and only searchlight showed up | 15:05 |
| * smcginnis pictures ttx in a Devo costunme | 15:05 | |
| dhellmann | both of their deliverables | 15:05 |
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| smcginnis | dhellmann: I think we had them on the list last cycle, IIRC. | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | yeah, was there a response to the email thread you started? I didn't see one... | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | And in Denver (part I) I think we discussed how they were "stable". | 15:05 |
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| smcginnis | dhellmann: I did not see a response. | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | perhaps we should move them over to independent if they don't release anything this cycle? | 15:06 |
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| smcginnis | Which makes me wonder if any of them are engaged. | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | That makes sense. | 15:06 |
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| smcginnis | Maybe wait to Rocky-2 and if we don't see anything, move them over then? | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | they have a few unreleased changes | 15:06 |
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| dhellmann | let me paste that report... | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | http://paste.openstack.org/show/720022/ | 15:07 |
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| dhellmann | not much | 15:07 |
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| smcginnis | Yeah, doesn't really look like anything functionally needed. | 15:08 |
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| smcginnis | Translations would be good, but not critical. | 15:08 |
| ttx | I'm not sure we should move them to independent... in the hypothesis new things are written against it you'd still want that to be released in sync | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | Maybe as part of moving to independent we can force a release just to have something there. | 15:09 |
| ttx | Like if it's forever stable then yes (but nothing is) | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | ttx: So keep cycle based knowing they may skip a cycle or two? | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | Or just plan on forcing releases for them? | 15:09 |
| ttx | Yeah.. if the only reason to movethen is so that we don't have to force a release every 6 months it sounds like a bad reason | 15:10 |
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| dhellmann | so change the release model? | 15:10 |
| ttx | move them | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | or maybe we need a new release model for "infrequent" releases or something | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | some way to not have to remember this as a special case | 15:10 |
| ttx | dhellmann: basically I wonder if moving then to independent will not make it MORE difficult for them to be picked up and adopted | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | cycle-optional | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | especially since I expect it to be come less of a special case over time | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Agree | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | we have that task about figuring out what to do with oslo libraries in the same state | 15:11 |
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| ttx | so I think it's part of a wider discussion | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | Forum or PTG topic maybe? | 15:11 |
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| ttx | about how we want to align releases with activity / consumption models | 15:12 |
| ttx | well my session on maintenance / release cycles / consumption models could tackle that | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | not that I object to including more people, but do we expect anyone else to have given this much thought? | 15:12 |
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| smcginnis | Maybe of interest to the wider TC. | 15:13 |
| ttx | It's definitely about discussing tweaks to release cycles or models based on the evolution of openstack toward more mature pieces | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | ok, I can see that | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | ttx: That does seem like a good place to discuss it, if just to share our thoughts from the release management perspective. | 15:13 |
| ttx | dhellmann: dhellmann I'm not saying we should NOT use independent for that case... I'm just saying we should not rush the decision and reframe it in a more general frame | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | sure | 15:14 |
| ttx | rather than narrow it to "what do we do with that particular project for Rocky | 15:14 |
| ttx | " | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | I think from a distro perspective, a component that isn't releasing every cycle isn't that much different than a component from outside of openstack | 15:14 |
| smcginnis | Since I'm sure there will be more in this state than searchlight, probably worth stepping back and thinking of the policy as a whole. | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | but I'm sure there are other perspectives to consider | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | now that we don't sync dependency changes automatically, I expect quite a few of the oslo libraries to enter this state | 15:15 |
| ttx | making it release-independent is half-kicking it out of the "product" | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | It looks and smells independent to me, but willing to discuss it to see if there are other takes on it. | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | I don't know about services | 15:15 |
| ttx | Also I liked to have all the components in the "main" box in the map under the same release model | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | cycle-infrequent may be a better way to frame it | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | cycle-when-we-get-around-to-it | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | cycle-as-needed? | 15:16 |
| ttx | i.e. make then all part of "openstack-the-deliverable-released-every-6-month" | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | Comes back around to sounding like "independent" :) | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | it feels a bit odd to say that if there isn't actually a new release, though | 15:16 |
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| ttx | basically I'd rather support making it unofficial than making it independent | 15:16 |
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| dhellmann | I guess the question then is whether it's "done" or "unmaintained" | 15:17 |
| ttx | (and have pieces of "openstack the IaaS framework" released on two difefrent models | 15:17 |
| smcginnis | I see unofficial as dead or orphaned vs projects that are mostly "code complete" | 15:17 |
| fungi | the infrequency of releasable changs to searchlight is probably only part of the picture in their particular case | 15:17 |
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| fungi | er, releasable changes | 15:17 |
| ttx | I need 10 minutes to explain my thought on this | 15:18 |
| ttx | we can do it now or at Forum or... | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | Hmm, looks like they do have patches pending that aren't being reviewed: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/searchlight+status:open | 15:18 |
| fungi | it's possible that there's really no further improvement needed/warranted, but it _can_ also of course be a sign that interest has waned and development thus stagnated | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | Forum does seem like the right place. | 15:18 |
| ttx | Basically, we release "OpenStack" (the framework of IaaS services) every 6 months. | 15:19 |
| ttx | Searchlight is a component of that framework | 15:19 |
| ttx | It's even a low-level service | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | OK, let's table that for the forum. I think we could probably spend a good part of the hour talking, and I think face to face will make that easier. | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | No immediate action is really needed at this point. | 15:20 |
| ttx | providing search indexing capabilities to other components | 15:20 |
| ttx | ack | 15:20 |
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| smcginnis | Anything else as far as Rocky-1? | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | #topic Update on recent release failures | 15:20 |
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| smcginnis | We worked out the recent failures that I'm aware of. | 15:21 |
| ttx | Have been trying to catch up every morning and it seemed under control | 15:21 |
| ttx | just wanted to be sure | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Want to give a quick summary? | 15:21 |
| * dhellmann tries to remember what caused the first couple of failures | 15:21 | |
| smcginnis | I think it was updates to the xstatic version checking script. | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | And incomplete changes to the job moving things around. | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | oh, those were the ones that missed the xstatic_check_version.py -- I wasn't really involved in that until the very end | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | I seem to remember one other issue, but blanking it now. | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | I did add a task to our backlog to incorporate that same version checking into our validation | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | the other issue was with the announce job | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | But anyway, I think all identified issues are resolved and we should be in good shape. | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | Oh right. | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | as part of resolving that we also took the opportunity to move announce.sh into the releases repo | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | Yay for less duplication. | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | there are a couple of other tools still in the release-tools repo; I will look into moving those over, too | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | and then release-tools won't be needed any more | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | #topic Unassigned tasks on the Rocky plan | 15:24 |
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| smcginnis | We have a few... | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001831 | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001816 | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001688 | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001691 | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | I have made 0 progress on any of mine due to external distractions the last few weeks. | 15:25 |
| ttx | yeah, I fear those will fall between the cracks | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | I'm hoping to be able to focus on some of that soon. | 15:25 |
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| ttx | I can take all the ones under 2001831 | 15:25 |
| fungi | i too haven't really started on mine yet | 15:25 |
| ttx | but won't be able to take the others then | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | 2001688 looks like a timely one. | 15:25 |
| fungi | other than pondering what the automation will need to look like | 15:25 |
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| fungi | i can pretend that's "planning" ;) | 15:26 |
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| smcginnis | fungi: Works for me. :) | 15:26 |
| fungi | should be quick to knock out once i set aside some time to focus on it, at least | 15:26 |
| smcginnis | At least none of these seem to be too critical. Really really good to have, but not blocking anything. | 15:26 |
| ttx | Anyone objecting to me owning all tasks on https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001831 (for now) ? | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | I took https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001816 and https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001691 | 15:27 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Own all you want. ;) | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | ttx: go for it | 15:27 |
| ttx | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001688 I guess is part of that discussion we need to have | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | right | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | Yep | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | At least we're tracking that (and all of these) now. | 15:28 |
| ttx | Looks more and more like we need to brainstorm that one before Forumizing it | 15:28 |
| ttx | How about we set aside some time together to discuss it in Vancouver ? | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | sounds good | 15:29 |
| ttx | rather than throw the holy handgrenade in a session | 15:29 |
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| ttx | I can take the task to be sure I ermember to work on it | 15:29 |
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| fungi | three shall be the number of the counting, and the number of the counting shall be three | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | Sounds good to me. We should be able to find some time before the Forum kicks off. | 15:30 |
| smcginnis | :) | 15:30 |
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| ttx | OK all tasks assigned | 15:30 |
| smcginnis | Nice | 15:31 |
| smcginnis | #topic Review backlog | 15:31 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/64 | 15:31 |
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| ttx | Just to make sure we don't need to move those to the TODO column | 15:31 |
| ttx | Anything in there we NEED to do this cycle ? | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | Doesn't look like it to me. Again, all good things to have, but nothing blocking. | 15:32 |
| ttx | (is the Backlog manually generated or do all stories automatically end up in there ?) | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | the backlog is manually updated | 15:33 |
| ttx | should we just use the releases repo then ? | 15:33 |
| ttx | Like consider anything not assigned in the openstack/releases stories to be backlog ? | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | you can't move a task from an automatic query list to a manual list and if a thing appears in an automatic list on a board it won't appear when you search for it to add it | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | we could do that, sure | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | the backlog has things that aren't part of the releases repo (like https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/1520096) | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | although it doesn't have to have that, we could have added that to the todo list if we considered it important | 15:34 |
| ttx | we could add a token task affecting openstack/releases just to flag it as a release team thing | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | it looks like there are several items filed that are not on the backlog, so maybe it would be safer to do that | 15:35 |
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| dhellmann | (use the repo) | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | sure | 15:36 |
| fungi | could also use a story tag as a means of identifying stories with only non-releases tasks which we want to appear in an automatically managed backlog lane | 15:36 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : see my earlier comment about mixing automatic and manually managed lanes on 1 board | 15:36 |
| fungi | i think | 15:36 |
| ttx | smcginnis: I think the last task on https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001793 can be considered merged | 15:36 |
| fungi | dhellmann: right, i meant if the query was something like unassigned for releases or releases-backlog | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | Oh, yep. Thanks to Doug I think. | 15:37 |
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| fungi | but that also might be mixing a task query and a story query, which is also a challenge at the moment | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | OK, grumble time. No matter how many times I've done it and know it doesn't work, I still want to click on individual tasks. | 15:37 |
| ttx | to do what? | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | In this case, to be told I need to log in. | 15:38 |
| fungi | smcginnis: should the task name/id do the same thing as the little expansion arrow icon to its left? | 15:38 |
| fungi | oh, not authenticated | 15:38 |
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| smcginnis | fungi: I just expect it to pop up a detail dialog or something, and redirect me to log in if I want to do anything. | 15:38 |
| ttx | the UX pain shall soon reach my "itch" level | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | I just need to train my brain. | 15:38 |
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| fungi | there are probably more webclient actions which could get added to the read-only/unauthenticated whitelist | 15:39 |
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| dhellmann | I moved the story about setting up the board to the done column | 15:39 |
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| ttx | so.. OK if I remove the "Backlog" column ? Maybe check if any story needs a release task to stay in our scope first ? | 15:40 |
| smcginnis | Anyone see any other tasks in the Backlog that need more attention? | 15:40 |
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| dhellmann | we could use https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project_group/73 as the backlog | 15:40 |
| ttx | we could, indeed | 15:41 |
| ttx | would avoid adding releases tasks on reno stories | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | right | 15:41 |
| * dhellmann just re-learned about storyboard groups today | 15:41 | |
| smcginnis | Looks like that lists things that are still active but Merged for openstack/releases. | 15:42 |
| ttx | It's still a good idea to add a releases task when the story affects a completely different repo | 15:42 |
| ttx | so that it shows up here | 15:42 |
| * dhellmann wonders why the specs-cookiecutter template is a release team thing | 15:42 | |
| dhellmann | yes, definitely | 15:42 |
| ttx | dhellmann: want me to remove it ? | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | I just did it, and added a link to that group page to the description to make it easy to find | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | do we need the "high" column or should we use the order of items in the todo list for priority? | 15:43 |
| ttx | still shows specs-cookiecutter here | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | oh, sorry, no, I removed the backlog column | 15:44 |
| ttx | heh | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | I don't know how to remove a project from the group; I think that's a project-config patch | 15:44 |
| ttx | I can see the UI lets me do it | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | will it be re-added the next time some job runs? | 15:44 |
| ttx | but then I might have inherited superpowers from the dark days | 15:44 |
| ttx | I have no idea how those are seeded | 15:45 |
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| ttx | OK, it's gone for now | 15:45 |
| ttx | let's see what happens | 15:45 |
| smcginnis | Gone | 15:45 |
| smcginnis | Anything else for SB for now? | 15:46 |
| ttx | Alright, next topic. We solved backlog review by just making it disappear | 15:46 |
| fungi | it's managed in openstack-infra/project-config gerrit/projects.yaml | 15:46 |
| fungi | i'll throw a patch up | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Thanks | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | #topic Skipping next week meeting | 15:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Skipping next week meeting (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:47 | |
| ttx | fungi: still weird that I can "fix" it | 15:47 |
| ttx | I'll be in a plane at meeting time | 15:47 |
| fungi | ttx: yeah, we have automation driven from project-config to add project groups and put projects in them | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | So at least ttx and I are travelling next week. | 15:47 |
| ttx | fungi: ah! | 15:47 |
| annabelleB_ | also gone (but mostly just a Stage 0 lurker still) | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | I should be on solid ground. Just not sure if I will be distraction free. | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | annabelleB_: :) | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | it doesn't look like we expect next week to be significant in terms of the cycle schedule | 15:48 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yes, hence my proposal to just skip | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | wfm | 15:48 |
| smcginnis | I'm fine skipping. | 15:48 |
| ttx | deal | 15:48 |
| smcginnis | If anything comes up, we can just quick discuss in #openstack-release | 15:48 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 15:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:49 | |
| smcginnis | Anything else? | 15:49 |
| dhellmann | we have a backlog item to verify library releases at each milestone: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001846 | 15:49 |
| fungi | ttx: smcginnis: dhellmann: as for the reason _why_ we originally configured that repo to be in the releases group, it's because it's tracked as a release team deliverable in governance. is that intentional? https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/projects.yaml#n3217 | 15:49 |
| smcginnis | Huh | 15:49 |
| ttx | huh huh | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | I'm preparing that list now | 15:50 |
| ttx | probably a leftover of when release = ttx = governance | 15:50 |
| fungi | heh | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | quite a few (46) : http://paste.openstack.org/show/720027/ | 15:50 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Those are libraries that have patches merged? | 15:50 |
| ttx | dhellmann: that's all the ones withuot a single rocky release ? | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | those are the deliverables with type library or client-library and without a release | 15:51 |
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| dhellmann | I did not check the patches yet, let me run that | 15:51 |
| smcginnis | I can include that in next week's countdown email. | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | oslosphinx is deprecated so I can just remove that deliverable file | 15:52 |
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| dhellmann | this report takes a while to run | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | http://paste.openstack.org/show/720029/ | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | there's lots of good stuff in there | 15:54 |
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| smcginnis | Most at least have requirements updates. | 15:54 |
| ttx | fungi: so now we need to find a home for it | 15:55 |
| fungi | yeah | 15:55 |
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| dhellmann | ttx, fungi : it can stay here if that's where we thought we wanted it; I just didn't remember that | 15:55 |
| smcginnis | I'll just include the list in the countdown and mention that they should check what has been merged to see if they should do a release. | 15:55 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, you can link to that paste so they have the same info we do | 15:55 |
| fungi | maybe infra would be willing to adopt it (very low-churn and ostensibly related to the specs.o.o site publication and hosting i suppose) | 15:55 |
| fungi | clarkb could probably weigh in | 15:56 |
| smcginnis | That does seem at least a slightly better fit. | 15:56 |
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| fungi | i agree specs-cookiecutter doesn't seem particularly release team-ish | 15:56 |
| smcginnis | Not that I want infra to be the dumping ground for misfits. | 15:56 |
| fungi | right | 15:56 |
| fungi | also maybe the docs team? | 15:57 |
| fungi | anyway, this is low-priority, doesn't need meeting time to hash out | 15:57 |
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| smcginnis | I'm fine leaving it with releases too. | 15:57 |
| clarkb | weren't a lot of the cookiecutter repos oslo? | 15:57 |
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| fungi | i thought just the libs cookiecutter was | 15:58 |
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| clarkb | ah | 15:58 |
| fungi | but could be wrong | 15:58 |
| dhellmann | yeah, ones for code make sense there | 15:58 |
| fungi | basically if there's a team who has an interest in consistency across newly-created specs repos, then that's who should maintain it. if there isn't... why do we have that again? | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | OK, out of time. We can discuss out of meeting. | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | Should it be the TC? | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Apr 27 16:00:10 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-04-27-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-04-27-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-04-27-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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