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| zhiyuan | hello | 00:57 |
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| song | hi | 00:57 |
| Yipei | hi | 00:57 |
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| xuzhuang | hi | 00:58 |
| zhiyuan | #startmeeting tricircle | 00:58 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 21 00:58:54 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhiyuan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:58 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:58 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 00:58 |
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| zhiyuan | let's go through our features | 00:59 |
| song | good | 00:59 |
| zhiyuan | first, mutable configuration | 01:00 |
| song | i have pull a pr for this. | 01:00 |
| zhiyuan | yes, I see the patch. the launcher is updated, do we need to also update our configuration definition? | 01:02 |
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| song | you mean our old configuration definition can not meet the new launcher? | 01:03 |
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| zhiyuan | I guess we need to define some configuration options as "mutable"? | 01:04 |
| song | oh, i follow the nova path to do it. i will see how to do it later. | 01:06 |
| song | s /path/patch | 01:06 |
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| zhiyuan | fine, I think at first we can make log level mutable | 01:07 |
| song | and the debug level mutable? | 01:08 |
| song | oh that is the same sorry. | 01:08 |
| zhiyuan | yeah, log level as debug :) | 01:08 |
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| song | agree with it. | 01:09 |
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| zhiyuan | next, new l3 networking model | 01:10 |
| zhiyuan | I see the updated spec, can we associate segment with AZ? so we know the segment belongs to which region | 01:11 |
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| Yipei | i think so, since segments can be associated with aggregate | 01:13 |
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| zhiyuan | cool, so the information is enough | 01:16 |
| zhiyuan | does routed network support updating segment after it's attached to a router? | 01:17 |
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| Yipei | not tested, i can try it offline. but i think it is supposed to support that | 01:19 |
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| zhiyuan | ok, I suggest you can discuss the whole process briefly in the spec. like when the local external network is created, it's created synchronously or asynchronously? | 01:23 |
| zhiyuan | and whether to support segment update at the first step | 01:24 |
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| Yipei | ok, got it | 01:25 |
| zhiyuan | next, security group deletion | 01:26 |
| zhiyuan | I see the smoke test fails with a new error | 01:27 |
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| xuzhuang | have tested in single node with two pods, tested successfully | 01:27 |
| song | I have review the code last day.zhuang zhuang can have a try. | 01:27 |
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| zhiyuan | 'unicode' object has no attribute 'keys', the error message | 01:28 |
| xuzhuang | to song, i have checked but the code is lately | 01:29 |
| xuzhuang | s/lately/latest | 01:31 |
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| zhiyuan | the code that raises exception is: | 01:33 |
| zhiyuan | "/opt/stack/new/neutron/neutron/pecan_wsgi/hooks/policy_enforcement.py", line 226, in _exclude_attributes_by_policy | 01:33 |
| zhiyuan | for attr_name in data.keys(): | 01:34 |
| zhiyuan | data is supposed to be a dict, but it's a string actually | 01:34 |
| song | to xuzhuang not the same for check_resource_not_in_deleting | 01:34 |
| zhiyuan | need to check why data is not a dict | 01:34 |
| zhiyuan | oh, yes, check_resource_not_in_deleting is a bit different | 01:39 |
| song | so may merge the new code and rerun. have a look. | 01:40 |
| xuzhuang | difference in check_resource_not_in_deleting is for re-delete, joehuang commented network deleting for supporting re-delete | 01:40 |
| song | but our spec is not so. | 01:42 |
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| song | our spec for this come from local return 404 and from user return in deleting. | 01:43 |
| xuzhuang | i think the difference in check_not_deleting doesn't cause smoke test fail | 01:45 |
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| zhiyuan | the implementation in the patch will raise exception to local neutron when network is in deletion, this may affect local neutron | 01:47 |
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| xuzhuang | oh, should return ResourceNotFound? | 01:49 |
| zhiyuan | that's right | 01:49 |
| song | and if do not use my new code will affect the logic for network resource delete.see the get_network function in center_plugin.py. | 01:49 |
| xuzhuang | oh, i got it, thank you zhiyuan song | 01:50 |
| zhiyuan | actually, at the end of delete-network, the deleting-resource record is removed, so we can re-delete | 01:50 |
| song | you are welcome! | 01:51 |
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| zhiyuan | but we need to ensure deleting-resource record is always removed | 01:51 |
| zhiyuan | or provide a tool to manually remove the record | 01:52 |
| song | just clear the database table for the deleting record? | 01:52 |
| zhiyuan | currently, if exception happens during delete network, the record won't be removed since the remove is at the end of "delete network" | 01:53 |
| song | yes,that is true. | 01:53 |
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| zhiyuan | use a try-catch to catch all exception so we can remove the record any time | 01:54 |
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| song | in the finally? | 01:55 |
| zhiyuan | yes, and the try-catch block should include all the "may-raise-exception" code | 01:55 |
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| xuzhuang | if we remove the record, local neutron may use it continuly | 01:56 |
| zhiyuan | remove at the end of deletion | 01:57 |
| zhiyuan | and so will be after the process of local neutron | 01:58 |
| zhiyuan | we only use deleting-resource to lock the in-delete resource during deletion | 01:59 |
| song | that is all right. | 01:59 |
| zhiyuan | oh, time's up. xuzhuang, please try updating the function to the latest version | 02:00 |
| xuzhuang | oh, hi jiawei the path https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455056/ haven't updated since jun 2017, | 02:01 |
| xuzhuang | ok ok | 02:01 |
| zhiyuan | and for the metering patch, maybe you can talk about it in our offline group | 02:01 |
| xuzhuang | ok | 02:01 |
| song | and out team zxh have pull a path for slove the port delete. would you help to review it!thank you ! | 02:01 |
| zhiyuan | let's discuss this offline :) | 02:02 |
| song | good | 02:02 |
| zhiyuan | thanks for attending, bye~ | 02:02 |
| song | bye | 02:02 |
| zhujintao1 | bye | 02:02 |
| xuzhuang | bye | 02:02 |
| Yipei | bye | 02:02 |
| zhiyuan | #endmeeting | 02:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 21 02:03:00 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-03-21-00.58.html | 02:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-03-21-00.58.txt | 02:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-03-21-00.58.log.html | 02:03 |
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| diablo_rojo | #startmeeting fc_sig | 08:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 21 08:01:32 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is diablo_rojo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fc_sig' | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, mattoliverau | 08:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 08:01 |
| gmann_ | o/ | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 08:02 |
| diablo_rojo | Anyone else here for the First Contact SIG meeting? | 08:02 |
| mattoliverau | is this where we start adding people to the ping list (it is a wiki) ;) | 08:03 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, quite possibly :) | 08:03 |
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| mattoliverau | shall we give another minute or so? | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | There were a few others around last week. cmurphy masayukig and thingee ? | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, yeah probably a good idea | 08:04 |
| mattoliverau | I've seen cmurphy online (well on the Suse internal side) | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Might be busy with some internal meeting or something. | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | That's okay. | 08:04 |
| mattoliverau | Cool so how's everyones week been? | 08:05 |
| diablo_rojo | Good so far. | 08:05 |
| diablo_rojo | had a workday today with annabelleB which was fun | 08:06 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, yours? | 08:06 |
| mattoliverau | oh yeah, much better week then last :) finally over sickness and jetlag so feeling great :) | 08:06 |
| gmann_ | its holiday today in tokyo and snowing since morning | 08:06 |
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| diablo_rojo | Ha ha ha can't escape the snow | 08:07 |
| mattoliverau | lol, sure you can just come here :) | 08:07 |
| gmann_ | and my duty of cooking full day for wife :) | 08:07 |
| diablo_rojo | I saw there was a #Beastfromtheeast2 that hit Ireland this last weekend | 08:07 |
| gmann_ | oh | 08:07 |
| mattoliverau | lol, really | 08:07 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, yep, read an interview of the croke park staff about how they handled the last one and they mentioned us :) | 08:08 |
| mattoliverau | awww, thats nice, they were great! | 08:08 |
| diablo_rojo | Well.. in the interest of getting to bed before 2AM, I think I might get things rolling... | 08:08 |
| mattoliverau | kk, we've waited enough :) | 08:09 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic New Contributor Patches | 08:09 |
| gmann_ | yea let's start | 08:09 |
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| diablo_rojo | So! Who did their homework? | 08:09 |
| gmann_ | i did 3 patch review only (1 tempest, 2 nova) | 08:09 |
| diablo_rojo | I reviewed two I think? And then poked mattoliverau to do the swift ones. | 08:09 |
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| mattoliverau | kinda, I tracked down some swift newbie patches.. they were kinda old. One already -2ed months ago :S | 08:10 |
| diablo_rojo | So I feel like I accomplished it. | 08:10 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann_, I think I only asked for three to get us started. | 08:10 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, yeah that was an issue I had too, not many new ones, most were older | 08:10 |
| mattoliverau | but have added the gerrit search to my main menu as a dashboard so make sure I look at it at least once a day | 08:10 |
| gmann_ | ok then i also did :) | 08:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Cool :) | 08:11 |
| gmann_ | mattoliverau: nice idea, ll add to mine too for early feedback if any | 08:11 |
| diablo_rojo | I think, so long as there are comments and its not just empty, thats kind of where we are looking to help | 08:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh man. That sentence made no sense after I typed it and hit enter | 08:12 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Let me try again. | 08:12 |
| mattoliverau | welcome to my entire irc life :P | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo | So long as its not completely ignored that's what we are trying to do? | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Is that better? | 08:12 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Basically we don't want neglected patches. | 08:12 |
| gmann_ | yea :) | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Things that never got updates that are siting out there is sad, but hopefully by being responsive, they will also be responsive and then we can suck them in :) | 08:13 |
| mattoliverau | so long as there are eyes. though we may need more coverage on other projects. But if I notice something new from another project I might just friendly ping a liasion ;) | 08:13 |
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| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, yes! that is what they are there for, though our coverage still could use some help. | 08:14 |
| diablo_rojo | I plan to attend the project onboarding rooms and try to get some more for our list. | 08:14 |
| diablo_rojo | in Vancouver | 08:14 |
| gmann_ | +1 | 08:14 |
| diablo_rojo | You are all welcome to help me :) | 08:14 |
| mattoliverau | great idea | 08:15 |
| diablo_rojo | I also have all the emails addresses of those speaking in them so if I don't make it, I can always email them. | 08:15 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, I think notmyname was going to try to get you to help with Swift's room. | 08:15 |
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| mattoliverau | oh sure :) | 08:16 |
| gmann_ | i can ask few of my colleague from tacker, kolla etc to add their name | 08:16 |
| mattoliverau | I'd be there anyway, cause I like to meet people interested in helping | 08:16 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann_, that would be awesome! | 08:17 |
| diablo_rojo | we need support for both of those projects :) | 08:17 |
| gmann_ | sure, ll get their name tomorrow on wiki | 08:17 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, awww aren't you nice to the newbies :) | 08:18 |
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| diablo_rojo | gmann_, awesome! | 08:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Anywho, ideally, we all try to do a few more reviews of these new contributor patches/poke at liaisons to pick up ones that haven't gotten attention. | 08:18 |
| diablo_rojo | For next week. | 08:18 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, cause then I can trick em in doing the stuff I want done but don't have the time :P | 08:18 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann_, need the link again? | 08:18 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, that is 100% of the reason why I set storyboard up to get an outreachy intern | 08:19 |
| mattoliverau | kk | 08:19 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Ask.OpenStack.Org Questions | 08:19 |
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| mattoliverau | I haven't seen anything new, but I did up vote the good answers ;) | 08:20 |
| gmann_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/reviewedby:%22Welcome%252C+new+contributor!+(10068)%22+is:open+-project:+openstack-dev/sandbox+OR+-project:openstack-dev/ci-sandbox | 08:20 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, awesome :) I saw my bait question got some answers. | 08:20 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann_, perfect :) | 08:20 |
| gmann_ | yea its all very old question and not new one | 08:21 |
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| diablo_rojo | gmann_, you also tried to answer some and it was pending review or something? | 08:21 |
| gmann_ | yea that got posted. | 08:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Cool :) | 08:21 |
| diablo_rojo | I honestly don't know who all the moderators are right now. | 08:21 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann_, how many karma did you get for it? | 08:21 |
| gmann_ | 10 is needed | 08:22 |
| diablo_rojo | RIght, but how many did you get for answering a question? | 08:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Out of curiousity. | 08:22 |
| gmann_ | for that i got only 1. but after 10 moderator is not needed | 08:22 |
| mattoliverau | only 9 to go :P | 08:22 |
| gmann_ | i think it is 1 per 1 answer | 08:22 |
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| diablo_rojo | Okay, good to know. That seems like a meager amoung. | 08:23 |
| diablo_rojo | amount | 08:23 |
| gmann_ | 1 min | 08:23 |
| gmann_ | i answered 2 query and seems i got 11 karma now | 08:23 |
| gmann_ | https://ask.openstack.org/en/users/22639/ghanshyammann/ | 08:23 |
| diablo_rojo | Dang. I wonder what the breakdown is then. | 08:23 |
| mattoliverau | oh nice | 08:23 |
| mattoliverau | I voted one up | 08:23 |
| mattoliverau | maybe that increased your karma | 08:24 |
| diablo_rojo | In Launchpad you can see what the karma came from | 08:24 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, yeah maybe | 08:24 |
| mattoliverau | ie considered a good answer? | 08:24 |
| diablo_rojo | That makes sense. | 08:24 |
| diablo_rojo | You get karma for how helpful people think your answer is? | 08:24 |
| gmann_ | i see | 08:24 |
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| diablo_rojo | I guess there isn't much more to talk about on this topic. I think we just keep an eye out for new questions and answer them as we see them. | 08:25 |
| mattoliverau | oh I have 26 karma.. wow | 08:25 |
| mattoliverau | seems I've used this in the past | 08:25 |
| gmann_ | great | 08:25 |
| diablo_rojo | fancy | 08:25 |
| mattoliverau | but can't remember when | 08:25 |
| mattoliverau | opps | 08:25 |
| mattoliverau | ahh 2 swift answers | 08:26 |
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| diablo_rojo | I somehow have 21 karma | 08:26 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 08:26 |
| gmann_ | great | 08:27 |
| mattoliverau | we 3 can now all answer all the things. apparently I've been a member since 2014 | 08:27 |
| diablo_rojo | Ha, I was still in college :) | 08:27 |
| gmann_ | but seems like still my answer is not poste yet on this - https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/113144/more-than-one-endpoint-exists-with-the-name-nova/#113285 | 08:27 |
| gmann_ | *posted | 08:27 |
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| diablo_rojo | gmann_, strange I wonder if that one is still waiting in a moderator queue from before you had the necessary number of karma | 08:28 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: I forget you're so young. get off my lawn :P | 08:29 |
| gmann_ | yea seems so, anyways not so urgent | 08:29 |
| gmann_ | heh | 08:29 |
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| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, I get that a lot. From what I understand you have sand, not a lawn :P | 08:29 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann_, well if it doesn't post by next week I can poke around and see who manages the moderation queue | 08:30 |
| mattoliverau | thats true, but I can colour it green if you want | 08:30 |
| gmann_ | diablo_rojo: sure, thanks | 08:30 |
| diablo_rojo | I know our intern had been, but she left a couple of months ago now. | 08:30 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, just like the river in Chicago for St. Patrick's day. | 08:30 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay, anything else on this topic? | 08:30 |
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| gmann_ | nothing from me | 08:31 |
| mattoliverau | nope, standard homework I guess, keep an eye on it :) | 08:31 |
| diablo_rojo | #Topic New Contributor of the Week | 08:31 |
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| diablo_rojo | Kinda skipped this one before, was supposed to be a part of the first topic but oh well. Circling back now. | 08:31 |
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| diablo_rojo | Was there any patch either of you reviewed or anyone you chatted with of note this last week? | 08:32 |
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| mattoliverau | no really anything that stands out to me.. definitly not the -2'ed patch that would have broken all of swift with a simple middleware "fix" :P | 08:32 |
| gmann_ | not in that category actually, still waiting for author to respond which i feel they are not active may be so cannot propose their name | 08:33 |
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| mattoliverau | but I forgot about this part, so wasn't on my mind when looking | 08:33 |
| diablo_rojo | The only one I had isn't super new, she just finished an outreachy internship | 08:34 |
| gmann_ | if good progress/response from them on patch soon then i will propose the name | 08:34 |
| diablo_rojo | She has been attending the woo biweekly meetings and working on some other stuff. | 08:34 |
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| mattoliverau | gmann_: cool | 08:34 |
| diablo_rojo | Not 100% familiar with what all she has done, but might be one we could propose. | 08:35 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: well if she doesn't anything cool soon then add her ;) | 08:35 |
| mattoliverau | *does anything cool | 08:35 |
| diablo_rojo | I also think a more reasonable goal might be to have a contributor of the month rather than week. | 08:35 |
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| mattoliverau | +1 | 08:35 |
| mattoliverau | knowing how slow patches move in openstack land | 08:35 |
| gmann_ | yea, month looks reasonble time | 08:35 |
| mattoliverau | and if we get more then 1 we can vote or have more then one ;) | 08:35 |
| diablo_rojo | Sounds good to me. I am totally fine with having more than one- if we have that many. | 08:36 |
| gmann_ | +1 motivation is always good | 08:36 |
| diablo_rojo | I expect there will be a bit of an influx here shortly with the next round of outreachy interships getting set up. | 08:36 |
| mattoliverau | cool :) I look forward to seeing all the awesome stuff they will do | 08:37 |
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| diablo_rojo | Okay so maybe oikiki if I can find out more about what she actually has been working on :) And prospects of more in the future- I had three different people talking to me asking about working on StoryBoard so *fingerscrossed* | 08:38 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Rollover of #openstack-101 to #openstack-dev | 08:38 |
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| diablo_rojo | Doesn't seem like thingee is online right now so unless anyone has seen progress of this.. there's not much to say that I know of. | 08:39 |
| diablo_rojo | (he had volunteered last time) | 08:39 |
| diablo_rojo | Its definitely a thing we need to get done ASAP though. | 08:39 |
| gmann_ | diablo_rojo: so final conclusion is to move to #openstack-dev right? there were discussion on ML with off topic too :) | 08:40 |
| mattoliverau | maybe we should follow up with him via the mailing list. In case he's stuck (and not here) | 08:40 |
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| diablo_rojo | Yeah I saw that, I asked for rationale but didn't really see any response. | 08:40 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, yeah I can see if he has any progress on it when I wake up tomorrow. Or if he needs help or anything. | 08:41 |
| diablo_rojo | Anything else from either of you on this topic? | 08:41 |
| mattoliverau | kk | 08:41 |
| mattoliverau | my vote for what it's worth is for openstack-dev. Because openstack is _very_ ops centric. And like fungi says dev means so much more in my opinion then just developer. | 08:42 |
| diablo_rojo | +1 | 08:42 |
| diablo_rojo | My rationale as well. | 08:42 |
| diablo_rojo | The FC SIG was also created initially to help with new contributors looking to help develop openstack. | 08:42 |
| diablo_rojo | Another reason why I argue for #openstack-dev | 08:43 |
| gmann_ | agree. | 08:43 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Forum Topics | 08:43 |
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| diablo_rojo | So, despite being originally focused on development, it would be great to get a few operators involved and at least aware of what we do/what resources exist | 08:44 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 08:44 |
| diablo_rojo | So if we see people struggling, we can point them to those operator liaison people. | 08:44 |
| diablo_rojo | Have project liaison types but for operators | 08:44 |
| diablo_rojo | We can point them at the ops ml, but I see a lot of things go unanswered there | 08:44 |
| diablo_rojo | and in the regular openstack ml | 08:44 |
| diablo_rojo | Long story short, think we should do a forum session | 08:45 |
| mattoliverau | Plus sometimes it's good to ask an op about what a dev is working on, I've found it hugely helpful at times | 08:45 |
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| mattoliverau | ie, does this sound stupid.. or does this config option actually make sense. | 08:46 |
| mattoliverau | or how do you tune that thing so we can look at auto-tuning | 08:46 |
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| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, agreed. I think there is a huge void that separates the two groups and there doesn't need to be. OpenStack would benefit greatly from the groups being more tightly coupled. | 08:46 |
| gmann_ | diablo_rojo: we gave little intro in tokyo ops meetup about Firstcontact SIG and about required operator involvement also | 08:46 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann_, oh awesome! | 08:46 |
| diablo_rojo | How did that go? | 08:46 |
| gmann_ | not much interest :) but they know it now | 08:47 |
| diablo_rojo | Knowing is half the battle I guess? | 08:47 |
| diablo_rojo | I think it would be good for us to meet at the forum to go over resources again and kind of do a state of the union at the very least | 08:48 |
| diablo_rojo | not sure how we can frame it to pull in more operators | 08:48 |
| diablo_rojo | so I am all ears on that aspect | 08:48 |
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| diablo_rojo | Could really use some more operator input on the contributor guide in particular. | 08:48 |
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| diablo_rojo | Maybe something to stew on for next time. | 08:49 |
| mattoliverau | Swift has the ops runbook in our documentation | 08:49 |
| diablo_rojo | Forum submissions just opened so we have some time to figure out how to frame it | 08:49 |
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| mattoliverau | that was gifted to us from the HP guys when they moved on | 08:49 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, I will have to check that out. | 08:50 |
| gmann_ | i think it is great to have this time so that we can get early feedback | 08:50 |
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| diablo_rojo | See if I can abstact anything into the guide. | 08:50 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann_, +1 | 08:50 |
| cmurphy | oops sorry :( I was getting a new workstation sorted out | 08:50 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, no worries :) | 08:50 |
| diablo_rojo | New lappys are always an allowed distraction in my book. | 08:51 |
| cmurphy | :) | 08:51 |
| diablo_rojo | I think we are onto the last topic I had? If no one has anything else about a forum session for now. | 08:51 |
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| diablo_rojo | I suppose I can make an etherpad for planning and send that out for people to put ideas into | 08:52 |
| mattoliverau | Link it on the wiki as well | 08:52 |
| gmann_ | yea, about to write ^^ that | 08:52 |
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| gmann_ | it will hep to get more ideas | 08:52 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, can do | 08:52 |
| gmann_ | help | 08:52 |
| * diablo_rojo read gmann_ 's previous message correctly and then saw the 'help' and got confused and concerned simultaneously | 08:53 | |
| gmann_ | heh :) | 08:53 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay, last topic. | 08:53 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic sandbox & ci-sandbox patches | 08:53 |
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| diablo_rojo | Seems there are a lot of welcome new contributor patches here... | 08:54 |
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| diablo_rojo | But not many of them are legit patches. | 08:54 |
| diablo_rojo | And a lot of them have been around for years. | 08:54 |
| diablo_rojo | Does anyone know if its cool if we just go and Abandon a bunch of them? | 08:54 |
| diablo_rojo | Or who's job that is? | 08:55 |
| diablo_rojo | Also, 5 min left. | 08:55 |
| diablo_rojo | THEN I GET TO SLEEP YAY | 08:55 |
| cmurphy | why do they need to be abandoned? it doesn't hurt anyone to leave them there | 08:55 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, I guess I have no real reason other than my OCD saying we need to clean them up | 08:56 |
| cmurphy | :) | 08:56 |
| diablo_rojo | A need to have my inbox at 0 before I go to bed. | 08:56 |
| diablo_rojo | And to clear all phone notifications before setting it down. | 08:56 |
| gmann_ | we do in projects also. cleanup old patches by abandoning them with msg to author about they can restore if needed | 08:57 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann_, yeah that was my thought. | 08:57 |
| diablo_rojo | I guess I can look at the gerrit repo to see who has core status | 08:57 |
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| gmann_ | and in our caes they not need to be restore, so we can have a very friendly and thanks msg with FirstContact SIG link | 08:57 |
| cmurphy | everyone has core on sandbox | 08:57 |
| diablo_rojo | TIL | 08:58 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann_, yeah I like that idea | 08:58 |
| mattoliverau | well now that's it filtered out of the gerrit search I don't see them, so I can happily ignore em ;P | 08:58 |
| diablo_rojo | Don't need to be particularly aggressive with cleaning them up, but if its >18 months.. | 08:59 |
| mattoliverau | maybe a part of the OUI training can be to abandon your sandbox patches when your done.. so you know how to ;) | 08:59 |
| gmann_ | yea, or we clean that time only with merging them | 08:59 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, or to talk about how its not a bad thing, it happens | 08:59 |
| gmann_ | merging new one during OUI | 08:59 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann_, yeah | 09:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Something we can talk about in the next OUI meeting for sure | 09:00 |
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| diablo_rojo | Looks like we are at time. | 09:00 |
| diablo_rojo | So everyone try to review another couple patches or delegate a few to a project liaison | 09:00 |
| diablo_rojo | And thats all I have for this week :) | 09:01 |
| gmann_ | yea | 09:01 |
| mattoliverau | Oh I can deligate.. but probably should ask them first :P | 09:01 |
| mattoliverau | night o/ | 09:01 |
| diablo_rojo | #endmeeting | 09:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 09:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 21 09:01:29 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-03-21-08.01.html | 09:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-03-21-08.01.txt | 09:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-03-21-08.01.log.html | 09:01 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, night night o/ | 09:01 |
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| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, did you want to be on the ping list? | 09:01 |
| gmann_ | thanks diablo_rojo and gn | 09:02 |
| cmurphy | diablo_rojo: yes that would help me | 09:02 |
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| diablo_rojo | I can add you tomorrow or if you want to add yourself: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/First_Contact_SIG#Meeting_Agenda | 09:02 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: go to sleep | 09:02 |
| cmurphy | i'll add, good night diablo_rojo | 09:02 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann_, Night! Have a good rest of your evening. | 09:02 |
| mattoliverau | cmurphy: have fun setting up your new workstation :) | 09:02 |
| diablo_rojo | :) | 09:03 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 21 16:00:22 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| Swanson | Hello! | 16:00 |
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| jungleboyj | Courtesy ping: jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlontpsilva patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut | 16:00 |
| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:00 |
| xyang | hi | 16:00 |
| rajinir | hi | 16:00 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | Hello everyone. | 16:01 |
| walshh | hi | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Don't have a large agenda today so I am sure we will run out of time. | 16:02 |
| e0ne | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-rocky-meeting-agendas | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Thank you. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Is here. Now I can start. ;-) | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | :P | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:03 | |
| jungleboyj | So, first announcement is a reminder that we have an etherpad for Forum Topic planning: | 16:04 |
| amito | o/ | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-cinder-brainstorming | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | So far the only ideas in there are the ones I have put. Anyone have proposals? | 16:04 |
| * jungleboyj hears crickets | 16:04 | |
| jungleboyj | I will need to be proposing things soon, so if you have topics, please add them. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | So, I also wanted to note that I have seen an uptick in reviews from some people from the PTG. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you for the help! | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | It is appreciated. We have been able to get a new driver merged and make progress on our specs. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Think it is a good start for Rocky. | 16:06 |
| Swanson | So we are not off to a Rocky start? *chortle* | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | *sad_trombone.wav* | 16:07 |
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| e0ne | :) | 16:07 |
| * jgriffith throws a mule at Swanson | 16:07 | |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: ++ | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | followed by a bag of snakes | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | So, also, just a reminder to register for the Vancouver Summit if you are able to go. Hope to see a number of you there. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, moving on before jgriffith Gets really violent | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Rocky Priorities review ... | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rocky Priorities review ... (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:09 | |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Not a lot of activity in here this week. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Any luck getting the spec for generic backup updated? | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Sorry if I missed it. | 16:10 |
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| e0ne | jungleboyj: I'm working on it. hope to finish it in next two days | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | e0ne: Sounds good. I don't think I have seen reviews come through for other patches that need to be added to the list. | 16:11 |
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| jungleboyj | e0ne: eharney smcginnis Appreciate help getting stuff added in there if you see it. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, don't have much more to dig into there then. | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | #topic HA Check-in | 16:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "HA Check-in (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:13 | |
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| jungleboyj | geguileo: Do you have HA all working and tested? | 16:13 |
| * jungleboyj giggles | 16:13 | |
| geguileo | XD | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Any progress to report? | 16:14 |
| geguileo | I've just started looking at an HA A-A replication issue that Jon Bernard brought to my attention | 16:14 |
| geguileo | I'll start working on the document after I fix those issues | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: That makes sense. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | It is good we are finding bugs and getting those fixed before more people start using it. | 16:16 |
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| jungleboyj | geguileo: Thank you for continuing to push that. | 16:17 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic New Driver Support Matrix ... | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New Driver Support Matrix ... (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:17 | |
| jungleboyj | So, I am working on putting together the new feature-classification based version of the Support Matrix | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | This is a mind numbing task but I think the result is going to be great. | 16:18 |
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| jungleboyj | I am finding that the old matrix on the Wiki is very out of date with drivers listed that don't exist anymore. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | I am also find that many drivers are completely undocumented. | 16:18 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: will it be autogenerated from sources? | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | I think that has been very poorly maintained for some time. | 16:19 |
| * jungleboyj glares at the Huawei people | 16:19 | |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: No, but it will be generated from an INI file that is easily maintained. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | When a driver changes we just need to make sure the change also updates the matrix. | 16:19 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: sounds good | 16:19 |
| gman-tx | nice | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | Much better than the current process. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | Just getting it created is a bit of a nightmare. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | I could see this eventually being groundwork for automatically generating that ini source, but we probably have a lot of work to do first before we can get there. | 16:20 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | Baby steps. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | So, my question to the team is as follows. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | A number of drivers have, in the Wiki, multiple entries for one driver based on model number. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | Dell/EMC and Huawei ... Is that something I should be reflecting in what I am putting in this new support matrix? | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | There may be differences. | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: sadly it seems like those are different devices/drivers so you probably will have to | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Maybe put them all in for now, then we can see if we can clean it up some once it's there? | 16:22 |
| geguileo | I agree with jgriffith | 16:22 |
| geguileo | different entries | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: :-( ok. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | I was guessing that was the answer. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I am going to need some help mapping the Huawei entries in the Wiki to drivers. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I probably will too. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: ^^ | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Maybe we can get some... yeah, tommylikehu. :) | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: sorry Charlie | 16:24 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:24 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: It is ok. This is going to be a great improvement once done. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so, I will get all the different models represent. Probably going to be another week or so before I have a WIP pushed up for people to look at. | 16:26 |
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| jungleboyj | Then will need some help from people to verify it for Vendor drivers. | 16:26 |
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| jungleboyj | Any questions or comments there? | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | Thanks for working on that. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Welcome. It will be good. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Open Discussion | 16:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:29 | |
| jungleboyj | That was all I had for this week. Anything else people want to talk about? | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | Is tommylikehu Not here? | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | Working on trying to get cinderclient python-bindings to actually work | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | He is pushing the backup across AZ issue. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: How so? | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | If anybody else has ever gone down that rabbit hole give me a ping | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: it doesn't work currently/still/again | 16:30 |
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| * jungleboyj has obviously not been down that rabbit hole. | 16:31 | |
| jgriffith | can't authenticate | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: It's not backup across AZs, if you are referring to the latest ML discussion. | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | we have an outdated example in the docs still and on the github readme: https://github.com/openstack/python-cinderclient | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Shared backups? | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: There's some customer desire (or a customer has been told this would be the way to do it) for sharing a backup. | 16:31 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thank you. Yes, I misspoke there. | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ok. Wasn't aware that was broken. Thanks for taking a look at it. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | So it could be across AZs, but it is also across owners. | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: it's "my pleasure" | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | ok.. not really | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: What are your thoughts there? | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: What's the issue? It can't authenticate as a library, or even as a CLI? | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: You aren't selling me there. | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: as a lib | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: My feedback was pretty much what has been stated. That's not what backup was intended for, no matter the similarities to AWS snapshots. Glance images sound like the more correct solution for OpenStack. | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | something with our client init and newer versions of keystone | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: That's not good. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | keystoneauth changes? | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | tried using the keystone v1 session method as well, and ran into problems there. | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | Yeah, most likely; but I think *old* Keystone changes... not sure | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ Yeah, using Glance makes more sense. | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | lbragstad: Any input here ^^^ | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | hopefully I'll figure it out today and I can update our docs | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | Sounds good. | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Err, I mean, we should definitely share backups. It's what the customer wants. | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:35 |
| * lbragstad reads scrollback | 16:36 | |
| jungleboyj | Thanks to everyone for making doc changes and dealing with me harping on that. | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | lbragstad: Mix discussions. The parts about authentication not working for cinderclient as a lib. | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: You also are not selling me on that statement. | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: :) | 16:36 |
| * jungleboyj is all for making customers happy but not increasing complexity. | 16:36 | |
| lbragstad | jgriffith: ah - are you using keystoneauth with cinder client? | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | lbragstad: *trying* to | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | but in general just trying to use python bindings to init a Client | 16:37 |
| lbragstad | ok - what does cinderclient use now to do authentication? | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | keystone | 16:38 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: it's shared backups or transferring backups? | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Shared. | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Shared. | 16:38 |
| lbragstad | jgriffith: like - directly? | 16:38 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: So I agree with your last bit there, but that's not what he's asking for. | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | lbragstad: there are two options... the first is direct via Client.__init__ | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | Like snapshots, it may make sense to be able to transfer backups. | 16:39 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: we don't allow sharing volumes, right? | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Right. They have to transfer them. | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | The other is going out to auth_v1 and creating a session, then trying to feed that in to Client init | 16:39 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: then same thing for backups | 16:39 |
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| smcginnis | So really the only "sharing" is glance images, AFAIK. | 16:39 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: as it should be | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: I agree. I mean no, I don't. Yes I do. I'm trapped! :) | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: He he he | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | lbragstad: kinda like this: https://docs.openstack.org/python-novaclient/pike/reference/api/index.html | 16:40 |
| * smcginnis hopes his boss doesn't read this | 16:40 | |
| jgriffith | lbragstad: main difference being Nova works, Cinder doesn't :) | 16:40 |
| lbragstad | oh - sure | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Don't worry, Lenovo is hiring. | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: LOL | 16:40 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: I don't know if there would be a way to share volumes using the upload to glance in cinder that actually creates a cinder volume | 16:41 |
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| lbragstad | jgriffith: so - you are using ksa to get auth, and build a session, but when you pass that to clientclient.client.Client, it blows up? | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Does Glance howere solve his problem of having the images available in multiple AZs. | 16:41 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: I haven't tested it, but they could use image_upload_use_cinder_backend | 16:42 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: They probably do... | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | lbragstad: correct, or if I try and use the other method and feed OS vars into the init that fails to auth | 16:42 |
| lbragstad | jgriffith: do you have a trace from cinderclient? | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | in other words, Cinder Client is just not right | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | I don't but I can ping you later with info if you want to have a look and help out? | 16:42 |
| lbragstad | jgriffith: sure - getting clients to consume sessions from ksa should be a pretty established pattern | 16:43 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: I think my conversation with smcginnis is over now, since I'm ok to do transfers, but not sharing | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | Me too. | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: smcginnis So we are in agreement that we still say no to that request and then smcginnis will have terrets afterwards. | 16:44 |
| lbragstad | jgriffith: i know we decoupled that approach keystoneclient a while back when we moved everything to ksa (since keystoneclient used to build it's own sessions) | 16:44 |
| lbragstad | approach with* | 16:44 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: I don't want shared backups for sure | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | That would seem to break the security model for Volumes as the backups are of Volumes. | 16:45 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. So, things have quited down. | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | lbragstad: Thanks for helping out jgriffith | 16:47 |
| lbragstad | yeah - no problem, let me know if you get a trace and i can take a look | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: geguileo I think we will stand with the decision from the PTG on shared backups. | 16:47 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | Any other topics for today? | 16:47 |
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| jungleboyj | I will take that as a no. | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks to everyone for joining the meeting today. | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks for your work on Cinder! | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | Talk to you all next week! | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 16:50 |
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| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 21 19:02:16 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:02 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 19:02 |
| SotK | hi! | 19:02 |
| fungi | howdy | 19:03 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda | 19:03 |
| diablo_rojo | Boom. Made some changes to the agenda. | 19:04 |
| SotK | \o/ | 19:04 |
| SotK | #topic Announcements | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:04 | |
| SotK | Sahara migrated! | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | YAY! | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Gaining traction :) | 19:04 |
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| fungi | excellent news | 19:05 |
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| SotK | indeed | 19:05 |
| SotK | and the agenda is full of plans for more | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | next week we will have more exciting annoucements :) | 19:06 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "In Progress Work (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:06 | |
| SotK | I re-sent the patch to fix syntax highlighting | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, will review today/tomorrow. | 19:07 |
| SotK | thanks! | 19:07 |
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| diablo_rojo | I have two patches out- one for private labels in the webclient, the other for a fix to the migration script to hopefyully stop making duplicate entries for users in the db. | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | Both already have +2's from fungi- thanks fungi :) | 19:07 |
| SotK | I will try to find some time to review them this week | 19:08 |
| fungi | we've noticed that the lp query api is feeding us "old" login.launchpad.net openids rather than login.ubuntu.com ones, and this has resulted in duplicate accounts. i'm working on correcting and deduplicating these, but the main challenge will be finding all the tables which have a column for user ids as the columns aren't consistently named for that | 19:08 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, that would be awesome. They are both sure small so aside from testing the second one, it shouldn't take too long. | 19:09 |
| fungi | related to the seconf patch diablo_rojo mentioned | 19:09 |
| SotK | I can't promise anything as I've had approximately 0 free time so far this week | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, fair :) | 19:09 |
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| SotK | this is also why I have failed to see if master is copying fonts properly despite saying I'd do it on monday :( | 19:09 |
| fungi | worst case i'll single-core approve the migrate script fix for rewriting openid urls before i do the next migration (probably friday) | 19:10 |
| SotK | fungi: I can try to make a list of the relevant fields at some point this week, that sounds like a short enough task I can fit it in somewhere | 19:10 |
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| diablo_rojo | Looked like corvus is in need of help with the db model too. | 19:10 |
| fungi | luckily the test migrations on storyboard-dev have caused the same problem, so i have both an easy place to test the deduplication work _and_ a place to test that subsequent test migrations with diablo_rojo's patch work as advertised | 19:11 |
| SotK | yeah, I didn't have any obvious pointers after a quick glance at it, I will also try to fit looking into that in somewhere xD | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Easy peasy- and some day I might have perms to do test migrations there too :) | 19:12 |
| fungi | SotK: if you think you can, that would be a huge help to me. otherwise i anticipate just reading through the entirety of the db schema picking out column names which "look like user ids" | 19:12 |
| * diablo_rojo cringes at the thought | 19:12 | |
| fungi | (and hoping for the best) | 19:12 |
| SotK | diablo_rojo: I would be happy to +1 a patch to the place that patches go to grant that permission | 19:13 |
| fungi | if i at least know which columns are user ids, then i can work out which ones need rewriting vs which ones need their duplicate rows deleted | 19:13 |
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| diablo_rojo | SotK, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552667/ | 19:14 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo: has that system-config change to get you access to sb-dev.o.o not merged yet? | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, it hasn't was going to poke at clarkb today about it | 19:14 |
| fungi | i'll try to drum up another reviewer to approve it | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, that works too :) | 19:14 |
| fungi | clarkb may be hesitant to approve without another non-foundation-staff core reviewer giving a +2 | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, oh yeah that makes sense. | 19:15 |
| clarkb | ya I've tried to follow fungi's example there | 19:15 |
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| diablo_rojo | Good practice to have. | 19:15 |
| fungi | especially where granting exceptional access to things comes into play | 19:15 |
| corvus | it has a non-foundation +2 now :) | 19:15 |
| fungi | thanks corvus!!! | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Thank you corvus :) | 19:16 |
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| SotK | \o/ nice | 19:16 |
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| diablo_rojo | So hopefully that gets merged soon and I can carryon running all the test migrations there | 19:17 |
| SotK | that would be good | 19:17 |
| SotK | anything else in progress not being covered further down the agenda? | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, indeed, especially since there seems to be an increasing interest in what it the end result looks like. | 19:18 |
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| diablo_rojo | SotK, don't think so. | 19:18 |
| SotK | oh, I did also for fun get a low priority patch for redesigning the dashboard a bit into a reviewable state over the weekend | 19:18 |
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| SotK | #topic Migration Updates | 19:19 |
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| SotK | this is an exciting looking section | 19:19 |
| diablo_rojo | :) | 19:19 |
| diablo_rojo | Ironic wants to migrate this week- Friday. | 19:19 |
| diablo_rojo | I also was notified that the UI squad in tripleO is ready to go. | 19:20 |
| diablo_rojo | So Friday will be a full day of migrations. | 19:20 |
| fungi | yep, i'll hopefully have the account deduplication tested and completed by then | 19:20 |
| SotK | sounds great :D | 19:21 |
| SotK | hopefully they go well | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | I also need to circle back to an email thread I have with Vitrage about migration- they asked a lot of the same questions- how do I differentiate bugs and new features? | 19:21 |
| fungi | either way i can do the imports friday | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | I didn't have the will power to answer the other way. | 19:21 |
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| fungi | just the deduplication script (once i write it) will take longer the more db content we have | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, sounds like the sooner the better on that one then | 19:22 |
| fungi | yeah, but either way it's still just a fire-and-forget and odds are we're talking about a runtime difference on the order of seconds | 19:23 |
| fungi | i'm more concerned with additional new users of sb.o.o getting confused by the extra accounts | 19:23 |
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| diablo_rojo | fungi, yeah that can be offputting. | 19:23 |
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| fungi | so still, the sooner the better | 19:23 |
| diablo_rojo | Only other thing I have is that I'm currently running openstacksdk migrations and so far so good. I migrated three of the launchpad projects so far- I thiiiink there is one or two more left. | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo | They've all been pretty quick too. | 19:25 |
| SotK | nice! | 19:25 |
| diablo_rojo | That's all from me for now :) | 19:25 |
| SotK | thanks for all your work on this diablo_rojo and fungi :) | 19:25 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 19:26 |
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| diablo_rojo | SotK, you skipped the outreachy intern topic, but we can cover it here :) | 19:26 |
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| SotK | ooops | 19:26 |
| SotK | #undo | 19:26 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic Open Discussion | 19:26 |
| SotK | #topic Outreachy Intern! | 19:26 |
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| diablo_rojo | Was chatting with Mridu this morning :) | 19:27 |
| fungi | i still haven't started on the mysql 4-byte unicode adjustment... which test migrations were failing due to extended codepoints? | 19:27 |
| diablo_rojo | She is working on applying to be an intern. | 19:27 |
| fungi | oh, i jumped the gun on open discussion, sorry | 19:27 |
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| diablo_rojo | fungi, heat was struggling with that one... there was another. I will try to remember and let you know. | 19:27 |
| fungi | thanks | 19:27 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, oh it was mistral I think | 19:27 |
| fungi | helps to have test cases | 19:28 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, indeed it does :) | 19:28 |
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| diablo_rojo | So, intern. | 19:28 |
| SotK | diablo_rojo: cool, I guess we should have some stories in mind to point people at during the application stage? | 19:28 |
| fungi | any news on sweksha who also popped into the channel? | 19:28 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, yeah. I have been pointing to the make cli commands and the make tests not suck one | 19:29 |
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| diablo_rojo | fungi, sadly not. | 19:29 |
| fungi | i think improving testing for the project would be at or near #1 for me, if they're interested in hacking on that | 19:29 |
| SotK | yeah I agree | 19:29 |
| diablo_rojo | I talked to vkmc and she didn't have sweksha's info so I don't have any way of contacting them unless they come back. | 19:29 |
| fungi | :( | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi SotK agree. So I pointed Mridu at that this morning :) | 19:30 |
| Mridu | Hi all. I am Mridu. I am looking forward to contribute to the project. Work more on Python. And learn to code better. Through this opportunity. :) | 19:30 |
| fungi | hi Mridu! and welcome | 19:31 |
| diablo_rojo | Mridu, we are thrilled to have you :) | 19:31 |
| SotK | welcome Mridu! | 19:31 |
| diablo_rojo | I pointed her at going through all the tasks tests and checking that they actually cover all the api functions for tasks. | 19:31 |
| Mridu | Thank you so much :) | 19:31 |
| diablo_rojo | Unless there is somewhere else we want her to start on tests? | 19:31 |
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| Mridu | Still curious on knowing this project involves more of testing or more of development? | 19:32 |
| diablo_rojo | There are pretty equal opportunities of both I would say. | 19:33 |
| diablo_rojo | Our tests need a lot of help, but there are still a lot of things to be developed :) | 19:34 |
| fungi | particularly where it comes to developing tests | 19:34 |
| diablo_rojo | And anything you develop has to be tested to be merged. | 19:34 |
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| diablo_rojo | fungi, lol :) | 19:34 |
| fungi | basically, we have a lot of features which got added in recent years with limited or sometimes even no test coverage at all | 19:34 |
| Mridu | anything that levels up the coding skills. And helps me gain confidence. I am fine with it :) | 19:34 |
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| diablo_rojo | Mridu, perfect :) I think you are in the right place then :) | 19:35 |
| fungi | so it's hard for us to know when subsequent changes break those features unless we have also developed regression tests to check that they continue to work | 19:35 |
| fungi | tests are definitely code, though | 19:35 |
| diablo_rojo | +1 | 19:35 |
| Mridu | based on what fungi, is saying it seems. Lots and lots of tests. :p | 19:35 |
| SotK | I think there is likely to be opportunity for both, but yeah, our tests are lagging behind everything else a lot atm | 19:35 |
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| fungi | sometimes some of the most complicated kinds of software development, since it involves thinking about mocking out or similarly faking parts of existing software so that you can test other parts efficiently | 19:36 |
| fungi | er, test are sometimes some of the most complicated kinds of software development | 19:36 |
| fungi | tests | 19:36 |
| fungi | i should give up on typing today | 19:36 |
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| fungi | but yeah, developing tests is still very much a kind of software development | 19:37 |
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| diablo_rojo | fungi, I typed whole sentences that made no sense last night during the fc sig meeting- I wouldn't sweat a few typos. | 19:37 |
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| Mridu | hahaha. Also, I am a bit confused with the choices. There are 2-3 projects under Openstack which one to opt for. Also, is this the right place to ask such a question in first place. | 19:38 |
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| diablo_rojo | Mridu 2-3 projects that have outreachy intern slots? | 19:38 |
| diablo_rojo | I think there are two. | 19:38 |
| Mridu | yes | 19:38 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo: i read that meeting log. seemed like an excellent one | 19:38 |
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| Mridu | https://www.outreachy.org/2018-may-august/communities/openstack/ see. | 19:39 |
| diablo_rojo | Storyboard and one on Redfish it looks like. | 19:40 |
| Mridu | Yes yes | 19:40 |
| Mridu | One is there on Keynote - SAML as well | 19:40 |
| fungi | keystone, yes | 19:41 |
| fungi | also a (incomplete?) one for qinling, looks like | 19:41 |
| Mridu | yes | 19:41 |
| diablo_rojo | yeah looks like it | 19:41 |
| Mridu | complete or incomplete I am unaware about that. | 19:42 |
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| diablo_rojo | It might be completed. | 19:43 |
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| diablo_rojo | Mridu, well, it depends on what your interests are which project you want to jump into I suppose. Of the options I think we have the most flexbility in coming up with work to fit your interests, but I might be biased :) | 19:44 |
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| * persia is biased | 19:44 | |
| Mridu | What is SAML project about? | 19:44 |
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| SotK | I am also biased, but agree with diablo_rojo | 19:44 |
| Mridu | These are the 2 projects where I can see skill level 5 that is needed :') | 19:45 |
| persia | Storyboard is the best intern project for OpenStack because it lets one code in more languages, leverages more different testing components, and has active users all over the OpenStack developer community, allowing one to build strong relationships that will serve later. | 19:45 |
| persia | Storyboard is also one of the few projects with full continuous deployment, so one can see the effects of one's work immediately (although the deployment was broken, last I checked) | 19:45 |
| fungi | Mridu: the #openstack-keystone channel can probably give you better answers about that one, but saml is "security assertion markup language" (a standard to serialize authn/authz data) | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Mridu, so Keystone is actually the OpenStack project you would be working on for the SAML one. That project is focused on authetication, service discovery and authorization. | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Basically it comes down to- do you like the idea of developing a task tracker tool or are you more interested in authentication and authorization? | 19:47 |
| Mridu | Something that serves more end users I would go for that | 19:48 |
| fungi | it's hard to compare the end users of keystone (who are mostly interacting with it through a remote api) and the users of storyboard (which has a ui) | 19:49 |
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| fungi | you could consider that the "end users" of keystone are other applications (which may be run by people, or may be run by yet other applications still) | 19:50 |
| Mridu | I also don't know. I will give this a shot. Let's see what happens. :) | 19:50 |
| diablo_rojo | Wonderful :) | 19:50 |
| SotK | excellent :) | 19:50 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, now you can go to open discussion :) | 19:51 |
| SotK | haha | 19:51 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 19:51 |
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| fungi | yes! whether you want to work on storyboard or one of the other openstack projects, or on other free software completely, i think it's still awesome. free software always needs more people | 19:51 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, +1 | 19:51 |
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| Mridu | yeah. That's right | 19:52 |
| Mridu | Thank you all for helping out :) | 19:52 |
| fungi | and thank you for wanting to help out too | 19:53 |
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| diablo_rojo | Mridu, happy to help :) If you need anything else getting started- we all hang out in the #storyboard channel | 19:53 |
| Mridu | Sure. | 19:53 |
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| fungi | while we're here, did anyone happen to have ideas off the tops of their heads about the problem corvus encountered with session management in tests? | 19:56 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/553102 WIP: test subscribers and permissions | 19:57 |
| SotK | not off the top of my head no | 19:57 |
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| SotK | I will attempt to give it some thought when I have time | 19:58 |
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| fungi | #link http://logs.openstack.org/02/553102/1/check/tox-py35/fee289f/testr_results.html.gz mysterious failure | 19:58 |
| fungi | thanks | 19:58 |
| diablo_rojo | Perhaps more mysterious is how the few are passing | 19:59 |
| diablo_rojo | Wheneverything else fails | 19:59 |
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| fungi | well, that pep8 failure is just a style consistency nit "imports not in alphabetical order" | 20:00 |
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| SotK | we're out of time | 20:00 |
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| SotK | thanks for coming all | 20:01 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
| fungi | thanks SotK! | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 21 20:01:04 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-03-21-19.02.html | 20:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Back to the #storyboard channel :) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-03-21-19.02.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-03-21-19.02.log.html | 20:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks SotK ! | 20:01 |
| fungi | it's like the bat cave, but cooler | 20:01 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 21 21:00:27 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | morning | 21:00 |
| kei-ichi | o/ | 21:00 |
| rledisez | hi o/ | 21:00 |
| notmyname | clayg: tdasilva: cschwede: acoles: ping | 21:01 |
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| acoles | I'm here | 21:01 |
| clayg | 0/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | agenda for this week is at ... | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
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| tdasilva | o/ | 21:02 |
| torgomatic | o/ | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #topic bugs, oh my! | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1755554 | 21:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1755554 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Percent signs in object names cause trouble for versioned_writes" [High,Confirmed] | 21:02 |
| notmyname | last week kota_ and timburke suggested they may have a chance to look at this bug | 21:03 |
| notmyname | kota_: timburke: did you look at it since the last meeting? | 21:03 |
| timburke | i think i said i could look at it, but probably not that week ;-) | 21:03 |
| kota_ | sorry i didn't. but i think this week I can have it rather than the last week. | 21:03 |
| timburke | i was right on that account | 21:03 |
| notmyname | but now it's a new week! | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | ok, thanks | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | timburke and how's this week looking? | 21:05 |
| notmyname | IMO it's an important bug that I'd like to see closed in the next release we do, but I don't think we'll be releasing in the next few days or anythign like that :-) | 21:05 |
| timburke | mattoliverau: *shrug* who knows? we'll see where feature/deep goes | 21:05 |
| notmyname | kota_: thanks. I'll bring it up again next week to ask about it again | 21:06 |
| kota_ | notmyname: ok | 21:06 |
| notmyname | speaking of "next release", that's a great segue into the next topic... | 21:06 |
| notmyname | #topic feature/deep plans | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:06 |
| notmyname | I updated that page with some feature/deep | 21:07 |
| notmyname | ...and hit enter too early... | 21:07 |
| notmyname | I updated that page with some feature/deep scheduling info | 21:07 |
| kota_ | lol | 21:07 |
| kota_ | oh feature/deep is close to the final landing proposal. | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | Oh exciting | 21:08 |
| zaitcev | Well, it is. | 21:08 |
| notmyname | "where do these dates come from?" you ask. great question | 21:09 |
| notmyname | full disclosure, there's some internal dates/goals we're trying to hit at swiftstack related to container sharding. these dates are somewhat related to that, but the upstream work is driving them (more that the other way around) | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | so talking with acoles and timburke and clayg about what can be done and what's a thing that can be released that will actually help users got us to these date goals | 21:11 |
| notmyname | the scope is not to have feature/deep support automatically sharding every container in a cluster and all new containers that are created | 21:11 |
| zaitcev | Thank goodness someone found a business goal for the sharding after all these years. | 21:11 |
| clayg | zaitcev: you a fan of the big containers? | 21:12 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: I think we've all seen pain around big containers from customers :-) | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | I think it will be wonderful to have everything automatically sharded all the time. but it's not a reasonable thing to have in an initial release | 21:12 |
| notmyname | the initial goal is to have tools to identify big containers (or container shards) via recon and then shard a container via an "expert operator" | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | later, we can make sure we automatically start sharding big stuff, but that will force us to solve the leader election problem (which container sets the shard ranges in a distributed system) | 21:14 |
| notmyname | also, I like initially having it triggered by hand so that an operator can monitor it without having the whole cluster automatically do something with little recourse | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | so an existing swift cluster operator will be able to identify big containers and run some bin/ scripts to start it sharding. later, recon stats may identify a particular shard of that container is getting big, and the process can repeat | 21:15 |
| notmyname | does all that make sense? what do you think? mattoliverau, zaitcev, tdasilva, kota_, rledisez | 21:16 |
| zaitcev | Sounds good to me. | 21:16 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: so the whole sharding process will be manual?? meaning even to create new shards requires operator? | 21:16 |
| rledisez | I totally agree to not have auto sharding at first | 21:16 |
| timburke | tdasilva: baby steps -- we'll get the human out of the loop eventually | 21:17 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: correct. an operator will run a 'find-and-write-the-shard-ranges' script to kick it off | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | Sounds like a good reduced scope and first step. Then slowly turn on the smarts as we go. | 21:17 |
| kota_ | sounds reasonable. do it manually, then make it as automatic. that wey is well as what tiering also will do. | 21:17 |
| kota_ | way | 21:18 |
| zaitcev | You know even in kernel hugepages are not automatically enabled. | 21:18 |
| notmyname | in addition to not making it automatic, it means we don't yet have to solve distributed consensus for which container replica gets to choose the shard ranges | 21:18 |
| tdasilva | timburke: i understand the reasoning, was more really just trying to understand the actual process... | 21:18 |
| notmyname | ok :-) | 21:18 |
| zaitcev | wait, I thought 0-th replica was always the master. | 21:19 |
| mattoliverau | Besides having control before handing it completely over feels better, until we know we trust this sharding thing :) | 21:19 |
| kota_ | one thing, i'm worried about the schedule. s3api should be later than the feature/deep proposal... or not? | 21:19 |
| acoles | tdasilva: when shards grow large, they will need to be manually sharded in exact same way as original container was | 21:19 |
| timburke | zaitcev: gets messy when you rebalance :-/ | 21:19 |
| acoles | tdasilva: human kicks off the process but daemon takes care of the shard sharding itself | 21:19 |
| mattoliverau | Step 1 no leader election, step 2 basic election, step 3 full leader election (if we ever need it) | 21:20 |
| notmyname | kota_: yeah, that schedule conflict is tricky. I was hoping that with a reduced scope for s3api, the merge would be simpler and require less time from everyone. and that we'd be able to get it done before feature/deep | 21:20 |
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| acoles | as timburke says, the concern with fully automatic sharding is we need a robust leader election, and choosing node index 0 is not robust enough currently without further work | 21:21 |
| tdasilva | acoles: thanks, don't want to take time from this meeting, we can probably continue on #openstack-swift later.. | 21:21 |
| acoles | but FWIW all probe tests *do* run fully automatically | 21:21 |
| tdasilva | :D | 21:22 |
| acoles | we're just proposing that for production the auto sharding should be off by default | 21:22 |
| mattoliverau | And there's an auto shard option just will be turned off by default with a warning. | 21:22 |
| kota_ | notmyname: appreciated your polite consideration | 21:22 |
| notmyname | kota_: but depending on how the s3api work goes, it may in fact become a conflict | 21:22 |
| mattoliverau | Or what acoles said | 21:22 |
| kota_ | notmyname: this (or the next) week, I'll try to figure out the conflict with feature/deep and feature/s3api | 21:23 |
| notmyname | kota_: thank you. that will be very helpful | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | so with those proposed dates about feature/deep, I'd like to hold off the next swift release until feature/deep merges | 21:24 |
| timburke | fwiw, the only conflicts (right now) between the two feature branches are in .gitreview (for obvious reasons), .zuul.yaml, and test/functional/__init__.py | 21:24 |
| notmyname | it also means that in a few weeks (ie April 16), we'll need a lot of help from everyone for reviewing a merge to master | 21:24 |
| kota_ | i don't think we have much conflict because s3api doesn't touch existing Swift master code so much. | 21:24 |
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| kota_ | but... the serious problem is lack of reviewers. | 21:25 |
| kota_ | it looks like no reviews on my s3api patches in the last week... | 21:25 |
| notmyname | note, the April 16 "propose to master" date for feature/deep is what I'd expect the earliest to be. and a May 8 "merged to master" is what I'd hope the latest to be | 21:25 |
| notmyname | kota_: that is an excellent point | 21:26 |
| kota_ | timburke: thx your confirmation on the conflict! | 21:26 |
| notmyname | I think that means we can do one of two things about feature/s3api | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | (1) hold off on it until *after* feature/deep merges | 21:26 |
| notmyname | (2) ask people to review feature/s3api and hope it doesn't impact ongoing work to finish feature/deep | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | kota_: what would you prefer? | 21:27 |
| kota_ | (2) is. but I don't know how much hard for others to find their time. | 21:28 |
| notmyname | ok, thank you. | 21:28 |
| notmyname | what does everyone else think? | 21:28 |
| kota_ | I'd try to pick up easy ones as possible to ask someone. | 21:28 |
| kota_ | when asking. | 21:28 |
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| zaitcev | Well... I was going to look at s3api. Seemed simpler :-) | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | the current goal for feature/s3api is to simply bring in the swift3 codebase and resolve test/doc/utils/dependency duplication. *not* to add major new functionality | 21:30 |
| kota_ | yes | 21:31 |
| notmyname | kota_: we can check how others feel right now, but in my opinion, if you merge stuff to the feature branch on your own, that's ok because the scope of feature/s3api isn't huge | 21:31 |
| notmyname | ...and will be reviewed as a whole when merged to master | 21:32 |
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| tdasilva | kota_: fwiw, i started reviewing and got side tracked :( | 21:32 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: got it. try to merge quick with my own decision on the feature branch. | 21:33 |
| notmyname | furthermore, I do not think feature/s3api should need approval from everyone in order to land on master. again, the scope and code is rather constrained | 21:33 |
| notmyname | kota_: that's my opinion. what does everyone else think? | 21:33 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:33 |
| timburke | yeah, i think i'm fine with all of that | 21:33 |
| kota_ | ok. cleanup can be progressed by myself. the docs, i'd want helps still though. | 21:35 |
| kota_ | but part of stuff can be done with the strategy | 21:35 |
| notmyname | that's understandable. but I don't think we need to write a bunch of new docs just to import swift3 | 21:35 |
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| * notmyname admits he hasn't looked at what docs exist for swift3... maybe it's nothing | 21:36 | |
| kota_ | notmyname: oh | 21:36 |
| notmyname | kota_: but, yes, please ask for docs help where you need help. we should definitely help out with that | 21:37 |
| kota_ | is it ok that docs is just imported from swift3 too...? | 21:37 |
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| tdasilva | kota_: are you ok if I upload new patchset to your docs patch? | 21:38 |
| notmyname | I think so. but docs probably take more integration with the existing docs tree. I think that should be relatively simple, though. at least simpler than writing whole new docs | 21:38 |
| mattoliverau | Yeah, they should at least be the basis, let's not rewrite everything if we don't have too. | 21:38 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: right. exactly | 21:38 |
| acoles | kota_: notmyname : sorry I was distracted, but I agree that merging own patches on feature branch is ok | 21:39 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: tdasilva: will either of you be able to help kota_ with this feature branch? IMO, if the three of you say it's good, I'm happy to see it land | 21:39 |
| tdasilva | btw, kota is not really rewriting all the docs, but they do need some fixups, instructions how to enable and stuff...it's a good effort | 21:40 |
| kota_ | yup | 21:41 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: ah, good point. thanks for the clarification | 21:41 |
| kota_ | e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552853/2/swift/common/middleware/s3api/s3api.py | 21:41 |
| patchbot | patch 552853 - swift (feature/s3api) - Update S3api Docs | 21:41 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: yeah, i rreally want to help kota and will do what i can to help | 21:41 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: thanks | 21:41 |
| mattoliverau | I'll see what I can do, I'm also trying to keep up with sharding reviews and py3, but knowing the s3api scope I'll try and help where I can | 21:42 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: yeah, that makes sense | 21:42 |
| kota_ | thank you tdasilva, mattoliverau and notmyname | 21:42 |
| tdasilva | mattoliverau: yeah, i'm atm putting s3api ahead of py3 | 21:43 |
| tdasilva | just cause py3 is more longer term | 21:43 |
| notmyname | so to sum up all of that ... any more questions or concerns about feature/deep timeline goals and feature/s3api work? | 21:43 |
| timburke | but eventually -- we're gonna have *all* of the 3s! | 21:43 |
| mattoliverau | Lol | 21:43 |
| mattoliverau | Eventually | 21:43 |
| zaitcev | nobody make a joke about that please | 21:44 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on. thanks for working through it | 21:44 |
| notmyname | #topic LOSF update | 21:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "LOSF update (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:44 | |
| notmyname | this morning (US time), we had a meeting with rledisez about their LOSF work | 21:45 |
| notmyname | recording is at | 21:45 |
| notmyname | #link https://bluejeans.com/s/pnB9K | 21:45 |
| tdasilva | zaitcev: you will eventually get it how funny it is to make 'eventually' jokes ;) | 21:45 |
| kota_ | nice. I'll check out it. | 21:45 |
| notmyname | the very quick summary is: it's going well with initial tests and OVH is starting some bigger scale tests soon | 21:46 |
| notmyname | and rledisez and alex will be working on getting their code upstream. I'll set up a feature branch for that (but later, not immediately) | 21:46 |
| mattoliverau | Cool! | 21:47 |
| notmyname | there are 3 patches that are needed upstream, though, that are proposed already. these are listed on the priority review page | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | rledisez: what did I miss? any further updates there? | 21:47 |
| rledisez | no, it seems complete. about the 3 patches, 2 already got one +2, one need some feedback as it's quite big (tests are not completely passing yet, but feedbacks welcome) | 21:48 |
| mattoliverau | I started looking at one the other day, I'll try and get back to it today. | 21:49 |
| rledisez | thx mattoliverau | 21:50 |
| notmyname | one concern I shared this morning is that OVH is starting to deploy this code in their production clusters (which is really cool), but it's not been integrated upstream. this means that there's a pre-existing migration concern when we actually get to review the LOSF code | 21:50 |
| notmyname | this is why I want to get the LOSF code reviewable in the open ASAP | 21:50 |
| torgomatic | it sounds like migration isn't really a huge deal; you stand up a new node running LOSF for objects and let replication do its job | 21:50 |
| notmyname | in the short term (next few days? next week?) i hope rledisez and alex will be able to share updates to design docs | 21:51 |
| torgomatic | if they need to migrate from LOSF format 1 to LOSF format 2, then it's the same procedure | 21:51 |
| rledisez | but we tried to anticipate that, the on-disk format is versioned so we can evolve it without breaking things (hopefuly) | 21:51 |
| notmyname | yep. sounds great :-) | 21:51 |
| mattoliverau | rledisez: good thinking :) | 21:52 |
| notmyname | last topic for today... | 21:52 |
| notmyname | #topic slogging testing | 21:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "slogging testing (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:52 | |
| kei-ichi | Thank you for giving me a time. About unittest modification policy for slogging. | 21:52 |
| notmyname | kei-ichi: you had another question about slogging for us? | 21:52 |
| kei-ichi | Yes, I found some dependency between slogging and swift. How should I remove swift dependency ? Dependency is like following. | 21:53 |
| kei-ichi | ex1: from initial process of unittest, slogging unittest uses swift directory like '../swift/' . | 21:53 |
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| kei-ichi | ex2: swift itself is imported from slogging code for many purposes.(raise swift exception, to utilize swift test utility, ...) | 21:53 |
| kei-ichi | ex3: unittest uses configuration file in swift repository... | 21:53 |
| kei-ichi | I think it is not good that those dependency is remained. So is it okay to copy those kind of files from swift to slogging ? | 21:53 |
| kei-ichi | (In our heat-dashboard(split out from Horizon as Heat GUI), there was same problems between Heat-GUI part and Horizon. In this case, we copied all dependent code to heat-dashboard basically.) | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | I think that's totally up to you. your example 1 seems a bit awkward and perhaps could be improved, but slogging importing swift code seems normal to me | 21:54 |
| notmyname | but generally, I don't think you need our permission to update slogging :-) | 21:54 |
| notmyname | kei-ichi: what do you think is best for slogging and maintaining it? | 21:54 |
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| kei-ichi | notmyname thanks! I think I agree to your proposal. | 21:56 |
| torgomatic | FWIW, in ProxyFS (another project using Swift code), we started off importing a bunch of code from Swift, and then any time it changed and broke things, we'd copy those functions into the ProxyFS codebase | 21:56 |
| torgomatic | https://github.com/swiftstack/ProxyFS/blob/development/pfs_middleware/pfs_middleware/swift_code.py | 21:56 |
| clayg | swiftlib | 21:56 |
| kei-ichi | Basically I remove dependency, but maybe keep using swift itself. | 21:56 |
| notmyname | clayg: swoslo? | 21:56 |
| mattoliverau | Lol | 21:57 |
| notmyname | also, no ;-) | 21:57 |
| clayg | 👍 | 21:57 |
| clayg | 👎 | 21:57 |
| torgomatic | As long as the licenses are compatible, I don't think there's a problem copying code over. | 21:57 |
| zaitcev | oslo.swift | 21:57 |
| zaitcev | ^_^ | 21:57 |
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| kei-ichi | torogomatic thanks! I'll look at that. | 21:57 |
| mattoliverau | Except for potential maintenance | 21:57 |
| timburke | i wonder if swift-on-file's experience might offer guidance... | 21:57 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: and that's up the an individual project to decide what they want to do | 21:57 |
| kei-ichi | That wil be really helpful for me :) | 21:57 |
| mattoliverau | Oh yeah I agree | 21:58 |
| kota_ | swift3 import many of swift ;-) | 21:58 |
| kota_ | imports | 21:58 |
| notmyname | I think we've covered everything that needs covering this week, and we're just about out of our allotted time. | 21:58 |
| notmyname | anyone have anything else to bring up? | 21:58 |
| zaitcev | Oi | 21:58 |
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| zaitcev | PUT+POST is ready, for real this time. Even tests. | 21:59 |
| kota_ | but not locate the code in the repo like ex1 kei-ichi suggested... | 21:59 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: ah yes! | 21:59 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: thanks for updating that | 21:59 |
| kei-ichi | Thanks everyone !! current my opinion. Swift itself -> keep using. Other utility kind of files or direct reference to filesystem -> copy from swift. | 21:59 |
| notmyname | I'll put it back on the priority reviews page | 21:59 |
| notmyname | thanks everyone for coming. thank you for your work on swift | 22:00 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 21 22:00:21 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-03-21-21.00.html | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-03-21-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
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